Considering going for a Tivo box! Help to answer questions pls
I just cancelled my SKY+ HD service. As I've had a change in circumstances and can no longer afford Sky Sports, ESPN etc.
I noticed that if I get Tivo with M+ it's only 10 quid a month more (with my existing broadband L and phone M). This is very tempting for me as I cannot live without a PVR and Sky Sports News! But I also get channels I occasional watch such as Sky1 (an idiot abroad) and Eurosport 1/2 (football). Seem it's the ideal package. Taking into account the catch up and other services on offer too! It's just my last Virgin media STB was useless. Painfully S-L-O-W and noisy! Crackling during quiet suspense moments in movies is a real put off!! I don't want to be stuck with a box that is going to give me stress! So just a few questions that I hope a few of you will take some time out to give me your opinions. - What's better on the old V+HD (scientfic atlanta) than the Tivo? - How does channel changing and menu time compare to the old V+HD box and the SKY+ boxes? - Does the box have a tendency to lock up? - How does the picture quality compare (via the scart) to V+HD and SKY+ boxes? (no HD telly yet) - Can 'catch up' showings be archived to DVD (it was possible with V+HD) - Does the box get hot in use? Does it need a large ventilation space? - Anything else that really bugs you! about this box? Thanks to everyone who has read this post. Please the more people who answer the better idea I have. Feel free to answer whichever question you like. Regards, John aka Bentex |
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The TiVo is light years ahead of the old as v+ which is a very poor box
It's faster than a as v+ slightly slower than sky, mine has never locked up since the latest update. You have 28 days to try the box and if you hate it you can cancel and get your money back |
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It's whisper quiet and has an external power supply unit meaning it doesn't over heat.
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Does anyone have any info to my question can you record to DVD from the catch up service or from playback or recorded shows? ---------- Post added at 21:04 ---------- Previous post was at 21:03 ---------- Quote:
Great news! I think I have the perfect spot for it ;) |
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The V+ is better if you want the red button services or reminders, neither of which are yet available on the TIVO
Saying that TIVO is light years head of any other STB |
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Could any kind and knowledgeable peeps tell me. Whats the average wait for a Tivo install and does it differ from region to region.
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It differs from region to region, as it's a 1man job probably within a week, give retentions a all, see what deals they have
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You're setting the guy up for disappointment. Its quite a bit slower than a Sky+HD box. |
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Thank you very much for all the replies.
Using Sky Anytime I could record onto my DVD player with it. I don't know why you couldn't and with my old V+HD box I could too. I just couldn't record the TV Choice stuff like the boxsets. Regarding the speed of channel changing and menu, even if it's not a quick as the latest SKy+ HD boxes. Am I going to get frustrated? Sky+ was lighting quick. A little less speed I can live with. Anything like the old V+HD scientic atlantic I cannot. I'm told that my bill would be 35 pounds to have Broadband (L) phone (M) and TV with Tivo (M+ and Mutv). Where is the 3 pound or 5 pound Tivo charge I see you writing about? Will that be added so my bill is 38-41 pounds? I'm currently paying around 20 pounds a month for phone and broadband. ---------- Post added at 15:06 ---------- Previous post was at 14:15 ---------- I just called in and I was assured that the price of having a Tivo box will not go up from 3 pounds to 5 pounds. |
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A few software upgrades and increase UI speeds, get quality apps and it may become a better offering. But for a user like me who only really uses my STB for watching recording TV, I think for that..my Sky+HD box is better due to more content. But also my point of view is also bassed on the fact I have "Apps" on my TV, BLUERAY, XBOX360, PS3. So the last thing I want is sky offering them and then saying.."Oh yeah there is a £5 a month increase to pay for them" As I just never use them, well apart from Netflix. ---------- Post added at 15:44 ---------- Previous post was at 15:42 ---------- Quote:
A few software upgrades and increase UI speeds, get quality apps and it may become a better offering. But for a user like me who only really uses my STB for watching recording TV, I think for that..my Sky+HD box is better due to more content. But also my point of view is based on the fact I have "Apps" on my TV, BLUERAY, XBOX360, PS3. So the last thing I want is sky offering them and then saying.."Oh yeah there is a £5 a month increase to pay for them" As I just never use them, well apart from Netflix. ---------- Post added at 15:44 ---------- Previous post was at 15:44 ---------- Quote:
A few software upgrades and increase UI speeds, get quality apps and it may become a better offering. But for a user like me who only really uses my STB for watching recording TV, I think for that..my Sky+HD box is better due to more content. But also my point of view is based on the fact I have "Apps" on my TV, BLUERAY, XBOX360, PS3. So the last thing I want is sky offering them and then saying.."Oh yeah there is a £5 a month increase to pay for them" As I just never use them, well apart from Netflix. |
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Had my 2nd TiVo fitted today, guide etc is populating a lot faster than when I had the first one fitted last year.
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Why would Sky be pig sick? Do you really think it pulls a lot of customers? I just canceled my last Virginmedia service 50Mb BB and they offered me a TiVo free install and activation plus a get deal on price fitted within 2 days. But it just wouldn't make me drop Sky-TV. I take your word for it that Sky are pig sick though, I guess you must have heard some insider info. |
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Its like saying the 5 Million+ Sky+HD boxes sold were new customers, most werent. Just like the 270'000 TiVos out there are not all new subscribers. If Sky released a new box tomorrow it would out sell Tivo. TiVo needs to new sales not up sales. |
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Hi yes Tivo is better than sky box with all its bells and whistles all i use it for is watching TV and the pvr record function
I don't use the apps or all the other things it can offer so to me its not worth paying £5 pm just to have the record function when they start to charge all customers £5 later this year I'm of to sky I'm not willing to pay the £5 just to record programs which you can get free with sky and yes i think sky made a big mistake to rip off Tivo all those years before they could have had the same platform |
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Well you have just completely discredited yourself, TiVo according to VM is now in 270'000(ish) homes. Now go look at Sky's yearly results and try and find the drop in customers amounting to 165'000 that have gone to TiVo. If you're going to make things up at least put some back ground work in. VM haven't added 165'000 new TV customers and Sky haven't lost 165'000 tv customers. Seriously that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. |
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Virgin have a plan to grow to 80 hd channels;)
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I think the £10.25 HD fee is more or less irrelevant today. In the above example Sky offer more content and HD channels for not really much of a difference in price. |
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So now we just need to know how many TiVos were new business not upsells. With that figure we can take 55% an work out how many Sky users went to TiVo. |
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Yeah sorry I was only talking about new additions the overall number is around 450-500'000. |
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Hi Virgin keep advertising FREE HD CHANNELS what free HD channels do you get on virgin on TV L all I can see is BBC1 ITV CH4 CH5 FILM4
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Tivo is far quicker than the old V+HD boxes at changing channels. |
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Thanks! I rang back VM and I was told I would be paying 3pounds and not 5 pounds for Tivo for the next 18months. New customers who make their deal after 28th Feb will be paying 5 pounds.
It's a bit of a pain, I must say. But the box will always be guaranteed working. Unlike your sky box. You may have to pay for an expensive repair or replacement. Plus there is no basic HD charge ;) It's swings and roundabouts. I've been a Sky fan for years. But being able to record 3 channels (plus me being able to watch another on my now freesat box) is too good for me to turn down. Plus the catch up service. I think VM are fighting back! |
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Lets assume both get the current free fitting ect deal. So in the first 12 months the Sky box is covered free of charge by Sky, the TiVo box belongs to VM so thats also coverd. In the first year the TiVo user has paid £36 in TiVo fee's the Sky user has not paid any fee's for his Sky box. So now lets "assume" the Sky box goes faulty in the second year an so does the TiVo. VM will repair replace the TiVo free, Sky will charge £60 call out and repair replace DISH CABLING AND BOX if requested as that's a full service call. The new Sky box is now covered for another 12 months. So over the next 12 months the TiVo user still pays £36 a year the Sky user pays zero. After 24 months both have had replaced boxes, the Sky user has paid a total of £60 the TiVo user has paid £72. If the Sky box doesn't break the Sky user has paid £0 in 24 months, the TiVo user has paid £72 or £120 if on the £5 per month fee. |
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Having had both Sky and Virgin, I can say that I have had more problems with VM than Sky. I am on my fifth VM box in 12 years. The only problem I had with Sky was heavy rain or snow, when the signal broke up. I never had a problem with the box I had for 6 years. My mother has had her Sky+ box nearly 5 years with no problems apart from the recent snow when she lost signal for a couple of hours.
I now have the VHD box which is by far and away the best VM box I have had . I am happy to stay with VM for now, because of BB, however, I do want to see more HD. |
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My Sky+ HD box needed replacing within the first year, but if it had been just outside that first year, then because I refused the warranty, it would have cost me a fortune. Also with my package I saved around £70 per month changing my TV to SKY. |
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You ring Sky after 1 year to cancel due to a faulty box you would have a new box sent out for self installation same day for free if you re-sign or maybe £49.99 if you don't re-sign.(If you don't re-sign you get a refurb) |
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A- Buy a box fo ebay for around £40 if hers broke.Perfectly legal and Sky are happy to pair the card. B- Pay a 1 time service charge of £60 for a service call which would inspect replace, cable,dish,box if any were found to be faulty. |
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Why pay £96 a year because something MIGHT happen to a Sky box that sky will replace for £60is something DOES happen. Makes no sense. |
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But the insurance gets you a brandnew box, the £60 is a refurb. It horses for course I guess. I don't have any cover on my Sky+HD boxes and one is a drx790 probably 3 years old. Works fine just it only has a 360Gb HDD inside (which I can swapout myself for a upto 2TB) . |
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I was happy with Sky, but a saving of £70 per month is a no brainer. So I changed to VM. But it was only after I changed that I found out how much better the Tivo box is. In fact I'm still finding out new things it can do now. |
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I have 3 Sky+hd boxes and HD, Full price would Multiroomx2 HD pack x1 so just that should be £30 VM 3 recordable TiVo's would from March Tivo fee £5 x3 plus £6.50 x2 multiroom fee plus £7 premium HD. that's £35 I now have a 14Mb internet and phoneline with sky unlimited weekend and evening calls and unlimited internet that would be full price £19.75 with Sky. 10Mb with phone line and unlimited weekend and evening calls is £33 a month with VM. But for instance my HD pack is discounted to £5, my multirooms are £7.50 each etc. I got free line rental, not many VM customers out there pay £33 for just 10Mb with a phoneline.. It is nigh on impossible to work out who is actually cheaper so it comes down to what you want from your provider. |
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Both Sky and VM will try to out do each other. So if you called VM, they would probably beat your Sky package just to get your custom. But in my case Sky just conceded defeat, because they couldn't come close. |
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Although I see you only have 2 VM boxes so I assume you only had 2 on sky. Ok I built a bundle of 100Mb, TV-L and phone with a second box on VM that comes to £74 only including 1 phoneline an you have 3 so you're saving £70 from what you were paying Sky. So your Sky package was AT LEAST £144??? Jezz you must of had like 6 multiroom boxes- But then thats not a saving as you would of downgraded for VM- What was your Sky package dude? So your Sky package was atleast |
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The services should almost identical or as close as possible and the Virginmedia one will show as £70 cheaper than the Sky one. It really is that simple. So off you go.. ---------- Post added at 13:51 ---------- Previous post was at 13:49 ---------- Quote:
The services should almost identical or as close as possible and the Virginmedia one will show as £70 cheaper than the Sky one. It really is that simple. So off you go.. You didnt say you pay the same amount but get more EG-100Mb you said Sky is £70 more than VM, so I just wonder what you had on Sky and what you have on VM? |
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Like I said, it's far more complicated. Lets just say I played Sky and VM off against each other, and ended up saving £70 per month by moving the lot to VM. Sky didn't even attempt to come close. |
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Talk unlimited is £8 with VM and its £5 with Sky, But extra call would not be included in VM's price. I'm only wondering what you had on Sky? Sky world? HD? Multiroom? BB and phone? |
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A Sky service call includes all the work to get your service back up and running , I've been with Sky for around 8-9 years on and off in all that time I've had two service calls both of which I've had free , one was a faulty LNB which was swapped out the other was a faulty pace non PVR box which was also swapped. In an era of such competition I would never pay to insure my service , that said I can't fault VM service calls , always had friendly techs and at no extra cost.
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There is no need to get complicated, Just what you had and what you were paying- No need for the in's and out's of deals. Just the services you had and the billed monthly amount. Or....................Next time you get creative..keep it factual eh;) |
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Well I finally got my Tivo installed today. Took over 30mins to download some software LOL!.
I had Tivo 10+ years ago with sky so I'm familiar with it. The menu is very similar to the old style. So far my concerns about speed in changing channels and go through the menus has eased. It looks pretty fast so far. Quality of the picture and audio are both fine. Tried the youtube app...watched a few videos. This looks like an exellent addition. Tried to catch up shows Live with Gabby and Idiot abroad. Played both fine...was able to fast forward and skip through them with easy. Picture quality was again very good. Better than my old V+HD box with catch up. These are only first impressions. I will have questions later! :))) also more reviews :) |
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I have a major problem signing into my youtube accounts. Does anyone also have that problem? One app has the option, the other doesn't. I've been using it a lot recently and it would be nice to have my faves all in one place! I have many youtube accounts and I can log into all of them with my pc and laptop. But impossible with Tivo!
I'm really surprised by Tivo! I heard it was buggy and a lot of people are unhappy. But I only have two complaints so far. One of course is signing into youtube the other is there is not a bookmark feature like on Sky+. Or a least I don't find it yet?? Menu navigation and channel changing is fast enough. Although Sky+HD beats it by miles. Just wondering, when fastforwarding and you press play it doesn't stop and that moment on Tivo, while on Sky and other PVRs I have and used do. Is that a feature? Can it be turned off?? I've not had any smart suggestions yet!! But every time I look over and see 3 red recording lights on I feel glad I'm getting my money's worth :) Last but not least, the last two early morning 'catch up' is always unavailable. Any reason for this? |
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What's a bookmark?
The fast forward thing-it snaps back 8 seconds once you press play in case you've gone too far. I think that's really clever because with Sky I was forever going past and having to wind back, but it's not universally loved. I don't know how to turn it off. |
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Which annoyed me to start with as I had it switched off on my original S1 unit as I got very good at just hitting the right spot. I have now got used to using it this way :) |
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OK, bookmarks-google is my friend! There is no bookmark function. If you press play on a show highlighted in my shows (the planner) it will start off from where you were last watching it (ie you can watch a program in two or more sittings without having to fast forward from the start each time) unless the last time you watched it you got into the final 2 minutes because then it assumes you're done and if you played it again it would start at the beginning.
So, you can't set multiple bookmarks, but it automatically provides one bookmark if you stop watching a recording before it's finished. Not sure I've explained that very well? |
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