The Chronicles of Rishi
 

Another New PM, Another new thread…… ;)

Continued from here: https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33711301

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Popcorn time.

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For the not so politically educated, ie me, why ?

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ffs.... :(

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the sensible choice out of the 3 that ran IMHO

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I expect a reasonable number of Tory voters to be miffed since he knifed Johnson. And (perhaps rightly) be vocal about it.

Similarly the elite of a supposedly democratic political party installing it's candidate over that chosen by a membership isn't an ideal foundation to go forward.

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Is there a new lettuce ?

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Yeah the new one is a bit more costly than the old one.;)

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:D:D:D:D:D

Surely we should be playing winner stays on?

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There'll be another in two years.

Sunaks job is just to make sure the Tories are not wiped of the face of the political map in two years time.

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Boris will be planning for that no doubt already.

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Optimistic. Let's see if he can last until the new year first.

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Where is CharlesIII? I heard he is too busy to coronate Rishi.

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l will have to cope like the previous Conservative leaders with the demands of the ultra's.

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No, but they’ve done it before (c.f. IDS/Michael Howard). The wider tory party doesn’t have the same sort of political consciousness as the British Left. They’ll sigh and get on with it.

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My concern is that he has only 7 years experience as an MP, 4 years experience as a Minister - I don’t believe he has have the political experience to run the Party/Country…

As someone I follow on Twitter put it (@garius)

https://twitter.com/garius/status/15...8ItfMUIMSgMfhw

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Hardly roaring successes. Although I agree about the membership of the Tory party lacking consciousness.

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I await the rumblings from the Tory Party members after being denied a vote.

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That's all quite ageist drivel to be fair. By that rationale Barack Obama should never have been near the Presidency, given a short US Senate tenure and a few years in the Illinois Senate.

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The fast acceleration from a seat to a top job has been happening a lot. Not sure what's changed but 'promising' candidates are often promoted rapidly as they already have connections to senior figures before even becoming an MP.

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Seven is more than "a few", and it’s nothing to do with age*, it’s to do with experience - I’d feel the same if he was 52 with the same lack of experience.

*which I never mentioned

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My post was more aimed at the content you quoted which while it doesn't explicitly say age it's heavily implied to meet all the prerequisites you have to be old or in Parliament from your late teens.

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I think you may being the one being ageist now…

If someone is elected in their early 30s, 15-20 years experience makes you 45-50 when you have gained "experience" and built networks - that’s not "old"…

We’re talking about someone running a country - that needs experience.

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I'm not really convinced by the argument he doesn't have experience, or that even if it was the case couldn't install experience within his Cabinet and work with senior officials across the Civil Service who will have thousands of years of experience between them.

The problems of the late 2020s and early 2030s will not be resolved by people who think like it's merely an extension of the 1980s or 1990s.

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4. is typical of the short term thinking that is the true British disease in our politics. HS2 must be completed, extended and ideally done faster than at present. Sure it will take a long time to yield benefits, but that’s exactly why it’s a government project and not a quick-buck private sector one.

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Looking forward to all that money from the north being diverted down south to help us poor Londoners out. After splashing out £550m for Bond Street Crossrail Station we're rather skint!

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And no one has said that…

A leader needs to have the experience to know which advice to take.

The points he made were

The problems of the late 2020s/early 2030s won’t be solved by people who haven’t built relationships and reputation, or have learned from their mistakes…

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We can all pick and choose lines, Hugh.

I'm not quite sure that an appropriate description for someone who has actually held one of the Great Offices of State - during the economic turmoil of the pandemic of all times. I can think of 750 million reasons not to think Sunak will be a good PM but relative inexperience (compared to who?) isn't one of them.

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Iain Dale on LBC saying there is rumours of Jeremy Hunt be replaced as chancellor

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That would be stupid but I guess Sunak at least has experience in the role so might have something specific instead.

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The website that deals with Tory member cancellations has crashed tonight.

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Will they care? They're not as dependent on individual members as the Labour Party is, they don't need their money.

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Appropriate for someone who was appointed to be Johnson’s lapdog, when Javid resigned as Chancellor after refusing a demand from Johnson and Cummings that he dismiss his advisers.

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They should, it’s the membership base which campaigns door to door. If you piss off the membership base, squander your election chances with zero help with campaigning.

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This analysis conflates the circumstances of his appointment with his performance in the role and/or experience gained. The paradox being that he needs experience, but should delay stepping up so he only takes promotion on morally superior grounds? Under Johnson that's almost impossible.

Indeed if being appointed for circumstances other than doing Johnson's bidding would result in a very short tenure in any post. As Javid demonstrated. Twice.

I've no real interest in continuing a back and forth, as I say there's enough reasons to not like Rishi without adding this one to the list. The Tories need to draw a line under the past and to an extent that needs someone relatively new. I'd have preferred Penny to underline the past to move the party past Brexit to be an effective opposition to the next Labour government.

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Fundamentally neither party gives a shit about the grass roots. Between the media and corporate interests there's enough money and influence around to keep the proletariat in check.

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Maybe but again the Tories have never been a campaigning force on the ground. It's something they've tried to address with battle buses and so on but it's been difficult for them. They are usually more about the 'air war', i.e media campaigning.

Membership is more important for Labour as a higher % of their funding comes from them and they do depend on a lot of door-to-door campaigning.

It's one reason Labour are in trouble as they had two elections in three years which depleted funds and then lost a lot of members.

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Sky News saying Hunt will stay in position. Must be reassuring for the markets although Hunt was pretty much enacting Sunak's policies once he was appointed.

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Labour have recovered a lot of membership recently
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...neral-election

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Well, during his last campaign to be leader/PM Sunak did say that he'd reduce funding for poorer areas and give it to more affluent areas.

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Amidst today’s excitement, it seems to have passed largely unnoticed that the 1922 Committee confirmed Boris actually did have 100 nominations and could have forced a contest had he chosen to.

https://order-order.com/2022/10/24/1...d-the-numbers/

He chose not to, after flying home. Why, is a matter of speculation.

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:rofl: Guido.

So we are trusting the word of one person who spoke to another person? (a Boris supporter?- an 80% chance according to Guido for person 2, but only 20% for person one on anything independently verified :rofl:) that paperwork for a nomination entirely hypothetical actually existed.

Do they fax them in one by one?

The election of President Xi to his third term is objectively more transparent and more credible.

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I guess to gave in to the pressure not to stand then? If he had a 102 then the prospect of scrapping though and winning the job with such little support actually did give him 2nd thoughts.

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I appreciate this news demolishes your own pet theory, however Guido has put a named MP member on the record who in turn has named the 1922’s joint secretary. There’s more than enough explicit finger-pointing there for, at the very least, an indignant tweet from those concerned, if it’s untrue or inaccurate.

Don’t take it personally. In the end all any of us is doing is speculation and educated guesswork, your personal prestige isn’t on the line for guessing wrong.

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I'm looking forward to Novembers race for PM ,wonder if Hancock will have a go

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Sunak will appoint him to a Cabinet post so he won't. Yesterday's snub was just an in-joke between them! :D

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What we can see here is how political campaigns and Partygate denials over the last five years have reduced our trust in politicians. A few years ago I would have believed Johnson's claim straight away but now I'm far more sceptical and would be checking the reliability of all concerned here.

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He'll be back.

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As I say, it’s got extremely limited credibility from a website that clearly had a vested interest from the start. There’s no way to independently verify the claim, and you are relying on someone to feel so strongly against it to speak out discrediting Boris in the process. An act of self harm for a political party on life support.

We are indeed engaging in guesswork and nothing from Guido has changed my view. If Boris had the numbers he’d have been PM by Friday.

Iain Duncan Smith on LBC summed it up perfectly. No team. No plan. The indignity of having to phone round and drum up interest.

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Perhaps in 2025?.

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I don't think Johnson will come back as PM. If I had to bet with that prospect not there in the immediate future he'll step down as an MP at the next election and become a personality instead.

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I am surprised no one on here has talked about Sunak's background?

He is apparently the first PM to represent a Yorkshire constituency. It just to goes to show what obstacles you can overcome in this country.

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Rishi sticking the boot in. Mistakes were made.

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Incidentally, your prediction that someone would accuse Rishi of being insufficiently brown came true last night courtesy of the BBC. They managed to find some Asian students in Leicester and one of them suggested his 'socio-economic background' made him less able to be seen as a representative of British Asians. He's not one of the hard-left usual suspects but I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

I've recently moved onto a new-build estate where there are a number of south asian households (Diwali was a bit noisy last night). All I can say is around here, they all have bigger houses than me.

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As I pointed out the last time I don’t consider the problems in the Labour Party exclusively those of the “hard-left” but as you say almost inevitable that someone would do it.

He doesn’t have the lived experience of most British people, whatever that looks like, regardless of skin colour. I don’t know why they don’t just keep it simple.

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A Labour MP tweeted it wasn't a win for Asian representation because of the class thing but seems to have been made to delete it. It's not that uncommon a view amongst some on the left who've dipped too much into viewing everything as a class issue and see issues of identity as a side-effect of that rather a separate but occasionally interlocking issue. There is a term 'Brocialist' to describe men on the left who downplay issues around women's rights as their analysis of all problems is reduced to class alone.

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He is not from a privileged background. He is the son of two very hard working immigrants, that I'm sure installed a good work ethic into him.

Also marrying a billionaires daughter, helps!

He did vote for Brexit though !

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In his own words he has no working class friends. That’s either he’s privileged or a knob. Or both.

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Reese-Mogg resigns......

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Lived experience is useful but it isn’t the trump card it is presently fashionable to claim it is. Nobody can live every experience. Much more useful are an awareness of what one has and what one does not have, and the ability to command a team that collectively has the necessary breadth of skills and experience.

Whether he’s that man, we shall soon find out.

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Very happy to read that. :)

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Before he was fired…

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Will be interesting to see what happens to the hike in NI. Sunak planned it, Kwarteng decided not to proceed with it, Truss boasted in her leaving speech of ditching it.

I won't expect to see 3% of GDP spent on defence.

But at least Sunak won't need Party donors to fund any redecoration costs.

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Interesting opinion you have there young man, i feel sure it will change with experience.

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I wonder if his skin colour/ethnicity/religion will be a help or a hindering come election time.

It may help to attract voters of a similar background as well as the PC/woke types.

It may hinder as any racist Conservative voters may refuse to vote for him.

Maybe the two will balance each other out??

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"PC/woke types"

<snigger>

Richard, the Daily Mail/Express/Telegraph/GB News called - they’d like their dog whistle back…

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My salient point is that those who define themselves as Politically Correct or Woke may vote for him simply because of his ethnicity etc.

Conversely,, there's bound to be others who wouldn't vote for him for the very same reason.

It will be interesting to see if his minority group status will be a help, a hinderence or if it won't make any difference, either because the two opposing groups cancel each other out or because we have now reached a point where most people don't take such things into account when choosing an elected representative.

I personally couldn't cate less about it; I have enough reasons to dislike him without looking for any more!

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Interesting that you only bring this up for the current prime minister? Why would you not bring for any of his predecessors ?

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There's nothing politically correct about voting Conservative regardless of the colour of the leader.

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Very few people define themselves as "Politically Correct or Woke" - it is usually used as a derogatory label by those on the right…

Can I ask why you didn’t ask the same question about people potentially voting for Liz Truss?

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I assume that she is British white, if i'm correct the question wouldn't arise.

Or are you referring to her gender?

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Yes

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These days I doubt that many people would have refrained from voting for her because she was a woman.

She was the third female PM, but he is the first PM of colour.

The comments about his ethnicity are starting already. I've just seen a post where the Downing Street cat is seen walking away with a suitcase saying "I'm off, I don't fancy ending up in a curry".

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Racists might not vote for him but there's no evidence that the "PC/Woke" brigade would proactively seek out voting for him regardless of his policies.

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Another criterion might be the penis size

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6161691.stm

Hancock (apologies for the pun) had an affair, Truss had an affair, BoJo has created 5-7 kids so far, May none, Major-Currie nukie etc. Perhaps, this is something that has to disected (aouuch) as skin colour is not important but size might be more important.

Skin colour is not important. Penis size is equally unimportant

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Cruella back shocking

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Luckily, she wasn’t fired from the same post a week ago for a National Security breach…


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ecurity-breach

What was it Sunak promised in his speed today - "restore trust, rebuild confidence" and " Integrity & Accountability?"

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Someone* who passed on highly sensitive documents to another person who isn’t cleared is an "excellent appointment"? She sent it to her private email, then tried to send it from there to John Hayes - this was an active attempt to breach security protocols.

*the same person who is in charge of the Departments (MI5, GCHQ, Special Branch) whose job is to ensure that classified information doesn’t fall into the wrong hands?

It wasn’t a transgression, it was a premeditated security breach - if a Civil Servant had done it, they would have been prosecuted.

Irony doesn’t begin to describe what is happening, so I believe sarcasm is justified…

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https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/s...49324144062467

100% spot on Yvette

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So do you think it’s ok for the person in charge of our Nation’s security to actively try to evade measures put in place to ensure highly sensitive information doesn’t get passed to persons who aren’t cleared to receive it?

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I'm pretty sure she stated she made an "honest mistake", not set out to with some nefarious plot to "actively evade". :rolleyes:

Its also seems to be some peoples opinion that the whole thing was a bit of a charade to write a stinging resignation letter.

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The unsuccessful Rwanda plan and the inability post Brexit to return asylum seekers to France do not make her programme popular. Like Truss, her actions speak louder than her words.

I thought Sunak had appointed her to try and unify the Party and not for her track record. I'm now hearing that it was likely a reward for her crucial endorsement.

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He is right though that if that had been a pleb they would at least have been fired. Obviously, we expect less of our politicians than we do of each other so that no longer disqualifies anyone from high office.

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Quite right. Leading by example isn't in vogue any more, rather do as I say not as I do. The government have been consistent on this for a long time.

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When can we expect the result of her prosecution under The Official Secrets Act 1989? Rules are rules after all or can we all enjoy impunity (and with reward)?

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Fair play to Rishi he found time on his first day to phone the First Ministers in the colonies. Something his predecessor didn’t manage at all in her tenure.

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Not sure sending information from your Government email account to your private Gmail account, then sending on that information to individuals from the Gmail account, could be classed as an "honest mistake"…

Looks more like a premeditated effort to avoid an email trail on the Government email system.

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Sunak (and the Tory Party) have really missed an opportunity to have a chance at the next GE. He could have moved the Party back towards the centre ground, reaching out to the One Nation Conservatives (what is left of them) and consciously repositioned the trajectory of the next two years so he could have something to fight Starmer with.

Instead, he is just trolling us, continuing the right-wing journey that preceded him. By appointing:

- Badenoch, anti-trans and anti-equal marriage "culture war" hero as Minister for Women and Equalities
- Braverman, a facist-wannabe who is proud of her mission to remove our freedoms
- Coffey, in charge of the environment ... just think what damage this witless idiot can cause here
- Hunt, who is actively designing Austerity 2.0 as we speak

The list goes on ..

Just to be clear, by far the worst appointment is Braverman. She will go first I suspect. It is also remarkable how people who you may have thought were rationale, objective thinkers stand up an applaud such a person. It shows how much this country has changed regards its politics and what people are comfortable in now saying out loud.

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After the last 6 months I don't trust any of this particular newish set of faces to actually do anything different to the ways they have slipped into over the last 10-12 years.It's going to be business as usual to grab as much lolly as possible before possibly tory light Starmer possibly gets a chance.

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Absolute Tosh.

What has she said that is anti-trans?
Presuming you actually know what the word fascist means, which I doubt. Explain to me how she is a fascist and what freedoms she is removing?
I can't think of anything, what damage do you think she can do?
Well someone has to.

Typical baseless rant, this isn't twitter you know.

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She didn't ring local council leaders in England either

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/jg8z...n-leaked-audio

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It was an honest mistake to copy in the wrong person from her personal email account.

But it was clearly a deliberate action to email the document to her personal Gmail account and then use that account to circulate the document.

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If you want to be generous - and I’m not really but to be the devil’s advocate - he has no real mandate from the country or membership. A couple of MPs with a dozen or so friends each could collapse his Premiership sooner rather than later.

Essentially the problem is the Conservative party as a whole.

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Rishi Sunak delays fiscal statement until 17 November.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...il-17-november

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Agreed but the fact he has no mandate, from anyone, is self-evident. The point I was making is the missed opportunity which now will make Starmer's life easier.