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BT Wholesale sell something called BT IPStream to ISP's which is available at: 512K and 1MB (50:1 contention) - basically "home" products 512K/1MB/2MB (20:1 contention) - business products etc These are the ones virtually all ISP's use (24/7 etc) and are available nationally. Then there is something called BT DataStream which lets the ISP choose what services and contention to offer (hence why Bulldog can offer Primetime and Tiscalli can offer 150K services) - however this is set up per ISP/exchange - hence its limited availability as its more expensive than IPStream below a certain number of users for that ISP per exchange. As you will see BT IPStream doesn't offer 2MB at 50:1 which is what Alltime 2000 would be etc - while Bulldog can do it via their DataStream exchanges etc - in the same way Bulldog can't offer "time of day"/Primetime products on IPStream either. However, Alltime 1000 at 50:1 is available on IPStream and hence available nationally (and its 40:1 if you are on a DataStream exchange ss Bulldog control it then) Whichever service you choose, even the IPStream ones - your contontention ratios are actually a lot less than the quoted figures Quote:
In theory, yes I am supposed to get something - though I have referred a couple of friends in the past and not received anything yet so will have to chase that up at some stage.. Unfortunately, the person joining doesn't get anything but I think thats the way Pipex's scheme worked as well (: |
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dsl1000 (1024Kbps) capped 150GBytes a month. subscription £39.99 a month dsl2000 (2048Kbps) capped 150GBytes a month. subscription £58.00 a month dsl500 (512Kbps) No Cap. subscription £26.49 a month dslSurf500 (512Kbps) No Cap. Subscription £22.99 a month I did hear a rumour that pipex will be soon intrducing a cap because they are having big problems keeping their news service (binaries) running too many customers leeching. As far as i can see/read Bulldog doesnt have a cap. |
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Nope all fixed as they promised, best it's been for months, downloading headers and individual posts is maxing this 512k line. I am impressed though that they keep upgrading it, 6 days retention and full speed of line is astonishing performance for an ISP's news server. Only Telewest that I've seen are as good ;) EDIT: Applying caps to news server bandwidth and to service usage as a whole are 2 very different things, though I would say that some people use Pipex just because the news servers are good most of the time, and no doubt some do cane the service. Hopefully at some point soon all / most DSL ISPs will start to take notice of those who up or download full pelt 24x7, though it's not happening yet, I know of someone who has been serving MP3s on their DSL line, maxing upload solidly for over 3 years now, no doubt there are thousands more (about 10,000 on dsl going by the law of averages). |
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The other nice thing, is that when you phone up with a query/fault etc, you will get an email sent to the email address you signed up with, with a ticket number so that you can track the fault-I'd like to see ntl offer something like that! |
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I can only really think of three large UK ISPs that CAP there customers Virgin, BT and good old NTL.
Even AOL NTLs partner does not CAP . If you hear of any others contact me at the site in my Sig |
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Unfortunately its a thing we will see more and more of in the future. The UKs networks simply cannot cope with everyone being on Broadband. Without serious investment we will see dial up speeds through a cable modem of ADSL Modem. For those who make the switch, Final Word of Warning dont get a 'free' USB modem or any USB modem for that matter.....they are ****e pure and simple!! Go for Internal or Ethernet...Or a router is more logical. Will agree Pipex are a pretty good provider, use them at work. Not many problems the ones we have had are BTs issues with the curcuit, which has had to be replaced 2 times already. BT Connect is utter tripe (BT Openworld for business) we had before. Personally at home ive been pretty happy with ntls broadband service, for me it has an extra bit of umph! for downloading, its slightly let down by slow uploads, but On our pipex connection we average 56-60k download speeds on ntl I get around 85k on 600k downloading. If its working well its great......I guess if it aint your better switching. |
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Spoilt for choice? here are just some of the adsl modems on offer i found hunting via Google D-Link DSL-300G+ Ethernet ADSL Modem priced at £68.14 inc vat Netgear DG834 LAN Starter Kit comes with DG834 ADSL Router, 2 x network cards and 2 x cables priced at £97.51 inc vat Netgear DG834 on its own priced at £93.99 Inc vat The info i have read on the DG834 suggests that it is ethernet on the router side but fails to mention weather its a usb or ethernet on the modem side (usually usb modems dont come packaged with a small transformer (external power adapter) so thats a sign that it is a ethernet adsl modem). SMC SMC7401BRA £76.36 inc vat Zoom Hayes 5560 X3 £82.24 inc vat Solwise ADSL Modem/Router (SAR130) £70.44 inc vat NetGear DM602 ADSL-Modem (ethernet/ usb) from £53-70 depending where you buy this model Actiontec USB/Ethernet DSL Modem priced around £53-58 depending where you buy it. Binatone ADSL 2000 High Speed ADSL Router Modem priced at £49.35 inc vat. Above are just a few ethernet adsl modem.. modem/routers on offer if you choose adsl BB to connect to the internet so many choices which one do you choose? |
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1. If you don't want to go with Bulldog.. there are several other good ISP's I would consider (in no particular order): Pipex (as already mentioned) Plusnet Zen Metronet (only if you are a low user <-- may not be relevant to anyone here!) Nildram Freedom-2-Surf NDO www.aaisp.co.uk (esp if you are a techie) www.hi-velocity.it (excellent customer service imv) All depends on what services/price you want to pay but they all have a decent reputation 2. For a cheap ethernet router try the models Ebuyer sell as their own brand. There is a 1 port version (Quickfind code 48448) and a 4 port version (QuickFind code: 48449) You would think that as they are cheap they would come with no support etc - actually they are Origo routers and come with full UK support, a user forum and firmare updates via http://adsltech.com/ who are their UK distributers - I know several ppl who are using them quite happily btw DrAwesome: you are right the Netgear DG834 is an ethernet modem :) |
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Those of you reading and are wondering who is the 3rd isp i will reveal the 3rd name of the adsl isp in a few days (if anyones interested) as the prices are v. competitive (looking at their web page) and also noticed they do have their own customer forum setup aswell just waiting for some feedback on the avarage connection speed service, customer service and faults. Quote:
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It is possible to have as many problems if not more with ADSL.
At work we have had numerous problems, in fairness mainly with BT and their exchanges. If we could get cable we would probably have that because we are getting rather sick of BT in general, I honestly dont see how they need to rebuild the curcuit twice between us in the exchanged, obviously it was botched the first time. Also it resulted in a crackly hissing line to the present day.....to which BT Insist we try 4 handsets on each extension....around 35!! Then they 'might' consider investigating a clear fault. The CS rep even asked why the line was crackling when we rang..insisted our phone was at fault..yes BT have excellent customer service! NOT. The ADSL line which is seperate doesnt have the crackles!?! Honestly most companies customer service are a joke after you get past a certain size, the smaller the company the better, the same goes for ISPs. Think its a matter of luck and dependant on where you live! If you live in a over subscribed cable area that could be very poor! Undersubscribed your Ok. If you live in an area using 50:1 contention on your connection where all users to your exchange are maxing their connection it can be as fast as a one legged horse, you might as well yank it out and plug in the modem......except that will only run at about 36kbs after you convert you line.nightmare!! |
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I have to agree think that Cable is good but the cable companies need to keep up.
Online gaming is getting more popular especially with my kids but they keep on whinging about upload. Its a shame that the upload can not match the ADSL connections at this time. I know go 1meg to get this is the answer but for the cost my own view is that adsl is for gaming at this time. I myselfover the coming months are having to weigh up if the answer to the upload problem is to go ADSL. I must admit have alkways been a supporter of cable, to the point of being very laid back about the problems sometimes. And not a great lover of BT really |
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They should do something like a 600k Professional or something for £27 with a quicker upload speed, I for one would definately be interested. I agree the 1Meg doesnt justify the extra 10 quid, when faster upload is the only extra i require at the current time.
Its almost gonna be tempting to have the freedom ADSL Sevice from ntl next year as that will offer quicker upload presumably at similar prices. The only issue is...I dont want 2 telephone lines (1 free with TV) and dont want Sky (previous issues) so looks like i gotta keep the slower uploads. I may re evaluate the TV situation after the Sky price hikes come in on ntl in March/April. Im not paying 40 quid plus for repeats repeats repeats! Ill just have to by some DVD Rs and record everything I like 1st time round! |
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