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Could be expectations management but let's hope for a bloodbath. The only way things will improve is a massive jolt to the system. I think it's in everyone's interest to have a decent opposition.

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Best to get out your reliable steam cleaner then as it will be required.:)

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If the local party has picked a candidate over Corbyn's nominee, the chances reduce of a bloodbath as i) the candidate should perform better than Corbyn's nominee ii) if the candidate performs badly blame can be laid at the local party and not Corbyn. So the status quo of a weak opposition and Theresa and her unchecked mayhem continues.

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Morgan was on form but the quote you have attributed to him was in fact made by Alistair Carmichael.

Morgan is witty but not clever and witty ;)

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The problem is, Labour have not been an effective opposition for years, possibly decades. You can argue that Tony Blair was quite sucessfull, and he was. He won two terms with no need for a coalition. (something which no prime minister has done since), but when he was leader, Labour were saying largely the same things the tories did. David Cameron only won his first term because he joined a coalition, and I personally believe he only won his second because he was able to ensure the Liberals were blamed for the bad stuff his government did, and Labour were not an effective opposition (sorry to any Ed Milliband fans, but with the economy in the state it was from the government's austerity measures, any halfway competent opposition leader should have been able to walk the election and still win).

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Yeah, but he had the EdStone :rofl:

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I wonder what happened to the special advisor(s) who persuaded daft Miliband that it was a great idea... :shrug:

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There's a story that the person who was heading the Labour election campaign screamed 'NO!' then he saw it on tv. He apparently had no idea as different sections of the campaign weren't communicating well enough.

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Or at all, as the case may be.

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I suppose it could have been someone Milband met on one of his nice strolls meeting the plebs on Hampstead Heath... :D

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The Tories won in 2015 because they were able to convince people that they were restoring the strength of the economy and were therefore more competent than Labour. * The device they used for this was high immigration. Some will argue that low corporation tax played a big part, but most would say this was not the main driver. Immigration increases demand, business start-ups, GDP and the revenue stream. This was the Tories at their most duplicitous, promising to reduce EU and non-EU immigration whilst allowing it to rise. To make it worse, and we have all suffered for this, they failed to allocate any of that increased revenue stream into the services of those parts of the country with the highest immigration.

Consequence? Farage, and fellow opportunists, were able to exploit the resulting peak in anti-immigration feelings and convert it into a vote to leave the EU. The tragic irony is that leaving the EU, on its own, will not reduce immigration. The needs of the economy are what decides immigration levels. Ask the Australians with their economy-friendly points system. Aussies are still complaining about high immigration.

* Edit: I would argue that high immigration is still behind our continued growth, although uncertainty about the final nature of Brexit will soon dragging us back down again. More irony?

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From the Spectator:

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But even Corbyn and his supporters wouldn't call themselves liberal. They're not liberals. As said before the way, in this country, liberal and left are synonymous is the kind of imported Americanism that Brietbart awkwardly tried to do. We have Conservatives who're liberal here.

As for the examples given it becomes rather hard to differentiate between left and right at some point. Trump is doing things in might be considered left wing. He is a protectionist who wants to impose tariffs on imports, limit free trade and spend a lot of government money on providing jobs. If Trump proves a failure I suspect you'll be defining him as a liberal too.

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Nope. I'll simply be defining him a failure.

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Another kerfuffle

PMQs: Jeremy Corbyn offers condolences to dead police officer who didn't actually die
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7545256.html