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Re: Unstoppable migration?

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35802515)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34471716

And it's not going to get better.

the world is changing. the world is angry. everyone wants to fight.

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How Hamburg is trying to cope with the influx:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34448779

And still they come. All this is great but it seems to me unlikely that these migrants will happily remain cooped up in such accommodation when they had such high hopes (quite probably unrealistic) of a new life in Germany. The more who come, the greater the pressure, the less resources there are to go around and the more people will become frustrated and angry that things haven't turned out quite how they'd hoped as quickly as they'd like. What's effectively happening here is the creation of ghettos and whilst they're supposed to be temporary, who's doing what to slow, let alone stop the increasing flow of migrants?

You can have every sympathy in the world for these poor people and as much admiration as you like for the efforts being made to accommodate them but we all know that it can't carry on like this. Once you have large numbers of desperate people grouped together some of who will be granted asylum and others who won't, things are going to get very nasty. Nobody's just going to volunteer to go back home are they. Even if jobs and services can be provided to these people how much resentment will that have created in the minds of Germany's existing poor and struggling which will include migrants who've been there for years and who are still struggling? How much resentment will it create in the longer term when these new migrant communities rightly or wrongly form the conclusion that they're in Germany not to build a better life but to provide cheap labour and do all the dirty jobs? How will they feel when large numbers of them haven't made it to the top of the tree and skilled people have been left languishing in low skilled, low paid jobs with little or no hope of anything better. In the UK we're still seeing the legacy of similar problems dating back to the 1950's when large numbers of immigrants were attracted to the UK on the basis of jobs and a better life and many of them still feel they've not really been accepted or empowered to achieve their full potential in society. It wasn't thought through then and it isn't being thought through now, the main difference is that the people involved are far more desperate, diverse and numerous. One of the biggest problems here is managing the expectations of the migrants who're coming and who can blame them for choosing to believe the best not the worst?...

The lack of foresight and/or level of denial evident is quite astonishing and the potential for huge social unrest and political turmoil is huge.

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Heard this early this morning on the world service. Worth a listen. Migrants expectations on arrival in Germany (Hamberg) vs the reality. A pity that those desperate people trying to get there won't believe it.

(iPlayer link)

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35802538)

Yes, that's certainly what's happening. Quite some time ago I recall seeing a TV interview with a guy in Lampedusa IIRC. The reception centre conditions there were appalling, he'd seen what was going on elsewhere and he'd been in contact with other friends and relatives in Libya telling them not to come. They'd all chosen not to believe him and come regardless.

I honestly believe some people don't fully appreciate just how desperate these migrants are and how they'll choose to believe virtually anything, except the awful truth. That'd account for why they take such extreme chances and are driven to risk their lives - nobody in their right mind would set off into a leaky boat if they really believed they'd drown. They've made their decision, this is their last hope and they'll understandably do whatever they can to get what they want. Managing the expectations of these people is going to be a massive challenge and I believe impossible. Dealing with all the ramifications of their broken dreams (albeit unrealistic ones) in the coming months and years will be another matter entirely. How many times do we need to see this repeated around the world before we realise that assimilation on such a scale and at such speed is impossible?

Meanwhile, at least the traffickers are being targeted but once again the sheer numbers of them are putting huge strain on the prison system in Austria:

http://www.thelocal.at/20151006/pris...ople-smugglers

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Ten of Austria’s 27 prisons are hopelessly overcrowded due to the amount of people smugglers being held in custody awaiting trial. According to a report in the Kurier newspaper, 534 people are currently in Austrian prisons on charges of people smuggling.

More negative ramifications to deal with.

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It'll be interesting to see how this goes:

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The EU has agreed to beef up its border force Frontex in order to speed up deportations of failed asylum seekers.

The EU interior ministers also called for more effective re-admission deals with countries of origin outside the EU, so that more migrants go home.

The conclusions from their talks said EU states should detain migrants who may abscond before they are deported

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34471858

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In the first six months of this year 40% of all asylum applications in Germany were made by people from the Western Balkans. Nearly all of them will be rejected.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35802052)

:clap:

Whilst we're waiting for Arthurs response here is some light music

Must be too busy preparing the room to reply.

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Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca (Post 35802674)

Must be too busy preparing the room to reply.

Like Bob Geldof...

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The number of migrants arriving on the Greek islands near Turkey has surged to about 7,000 a day in the past week, migration experts working there say.

The International Organization for Migration (IOM) said the average in late September was 4,500 a day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34483681

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Gabrielle Keller is the second woman to be moved to make way for Germany’s self-inflicted invasion of migrants, following the case of Bettina Halbey, a 51-year-old nurse who was shifted from her home in Nieheim in the country’s north.

“I think it’s a scandal to throw tenants out of their apartments,” she said. “I can’t see the sense of it.”

Keller has lived in the same, government-owned, three-story house for 16 years, and brought up her two sons as a single mother in the 90 sq/m apartment. On September 1, she and her neighbours received an eviction notice. In the notice, the local municipality explained that it is going to use the rental house as additional accommodation for refugees because the town’s three shelters have filled up.

Source

And so it starts. :(

Where next? Haringay, Tower Hamlets, Lambeth. Place your bets now.

Re: Unstoppable migration?

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35803003)

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And so it starts. :(

Where next? Haringay, Tower Hamlets, Lambeth. Place your bets now.

That would mean affecting Labour voters, so won't happen.

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Well there's no way this is going to stir up resentment is there?... :rolleyes:

Sooner or later someone will top themselves because they're being evicted or something and then that'll occupy the airwaves as the media descends en masse expecting a backlash to report on and raising all the inevitable and entirely foreseeable consequences of this madness.

I sometimes wonder if the people running the show are for real - are they totally stupid or is all this part of some grand sinister scheme intended to result in chaos 'requiring' drastic measures to control, thereby providing the chosen 'elite' with the opportunity to protect themselves and their lifestyles forever at the expense of us and ours. Seems far-fetched I'll grant you but, could so many people really be so stupid? If they are there's precious little hope for us anyway surely... :erm:

Re: Unstoppable migration?

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35803123)

I sometimes wonder if the people running the show are for real - are they totally stupid or is all this part of some grand sinister scheme intended to result in chaos 'requiring' drastic measures to control, thereby providing the chosen 'elite' with the opportunity to protect themselves and their lifestyles forever at the expense of us and ours.:erm:

He's practically quoted me word for word.

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manhunt of six Afghan illegal immigrants.......who shot at a farm worker in the West Midlands earlier this week has been called off after just 36 unsuccessful hours

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a farm labourer happened upon the group of suspicious-looking men in a barn near Keele in Staffordshire, in England’s West Midlands. The man followed the group in his vehicle after they left the barn, but they shot at him as they tried to get away, missing him but striking his vehicle on a window...
....The disappearance of the gang may be seen as a major blunder for the force, considering the shooting took place only hours after officers were initially alerted to their presence, as they climbed out of the back of a Hungarian lorry at the nearby M6 motorway services.

Bloody Nora! :rolleyes::dozey::(

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35803492)

manhunt of six Afghan illegal immigrants.......who shot at a farm worker in the West Midlands earlier this week has been called off after just 36 unsuccessful hours

Bloody Nora! :rolleyes::dozey::(

Reading the article on this right-wing news and opinion website make the Daily Mail readers' comments seem very tame:

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TheLeftAreScum • 6 hours ago

Just goes to show how quickly these pathetic police cowards loose control. Harrassing motorists driving at 35 in and 30 zone and arresting people for "racist" comments on social media is about the limit of these left wing *******s.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35803498)

Reading the article on this right-wing news and opinion website make the Daily Mail readers' comments seem very tame:

Why are you ignoring the information I have presented in favour of commenting about the political bias of the news source and some comments from the Mail? :confused: