Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35984596)

No doubt about it MM.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35984591)

The article says it will be chargeable , if iPlayer just becomes catch-up and you have to pay for Brit box for boxsets then that's clearly a step back for license fee payers.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984597)

Did you also see that the Beeb were seeking Government approval to extend the existing 30 day limit on their catch-up fayre to 12 months on the i-Player? Surely, that is a plus.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984597)

The launch of Britbox UK will not affect either the BBC i-Player or the ITV Hub. In fact ITV is looking to make major improvements to the ITV Hub, which currently leaves much to be desired.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35984603)

Yes l saw that but don't think its a gimme that they will extend the limit to 12 months on the i-Player.

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Given ITV's track record so far in this field it will need huge improvements to make the ITV Hub a place where viewers want to go as currently its pretty much a shambles.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984586)

Call it 'speculation' on the part of the BBC if you want to, jfman, but it is what the BBC believe and it is with that in mind that they will be preparing their negotiations in ten years' time. That BBC view chimes with what the media industry believes. Why you continue to spit in the wind with your 'nothing will change' arguments, I cannot fathom.

You are correct in saying that DTT bandwidth has not been reallocated yet, but as that won't happen for some years yet, I don't think that is a relevant point. Incidentally, you may have overlooked the fact that this process has already commenced elsewhere in Europe.

Yes, I stand by my 'hardly stimulating' comment. That's not being rude to anyone, it's just a statement of fact. However, it is just as easy to click on a streaming service and click on the first programme you see on there as it is to select a channel and fall back in the armchair in a hypnotic state.

Your argument around Sky seems confused, as if the view you express invaliidates my argument. The existing satellite system will soon be complemented by an IPTV system, and although the two systems will exist side by side for probably a decade, it is very likely that their system will be IPTV only after that, when existing satellites are due for replacement. The IPTV system Sky design to replace satellite tv will be a better version of Now TV, and it will be based on the 'on demand' features rather than live tv. In the early days, of course, it will have both, with an ability to record the scheduled programmes. The design of it, I believe, will lead to a better acceptance of viewing by VOD.

Sky could retain Premiership sports rights now that they are a part of the larger Comcast stable, but that isn't guaranteed. It may be that BT is the first casualty of the increasing interest shown by the global streaming companies. If you really believe that Amazon and other companies don't have the financial clout to outbid either BT or Sky, you are deluding yourself.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35984602)

Thanks for the link , 12 months availability on iPlayer after broadcast would be very welcome.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35984616)

Once again you are conflating huge cash reserves and profits for the ability to make a return on investment going forward. All of these companies have money now - the technology is there - but they don’t bid.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984615)

Catch-up will definitely be extended to a 12 month window on the i-Player IF the Government permits it. That's what the BBC is pushing for. I'm not sure that ITV would want to do thaton their ITV Hub, though, which is a shame. I won't shed any tears, though because I would never view a site with unskippable adverts. I don't see the need to subscribe to the ITV Hub+ either as everything on there has either been recorded or I don't want to see.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984586)

Yes, I stand by my 'hardly stimulating' comment. That's not being rude to anyone, it's just a statement of fact.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35984621)

It isn’t - it’s a statement of opinion that reveals nothing except your own preferences and prejudices.

Who are you to determine what other people should feel when they switch the TV on?

This, perhaps more than anything else, demonstrates why you’ve failed to convince anyone of anything despite running multiple versions of this thread over multiple forums over several years. You’ve never been able to get past the fact that other people have different experiences and tastes than you do.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984626)

I do accept that others have a different point of view, Chris. Isn't the point of a discussion forum that you express your view?

Incidentally, do you still stand by your comment, made a few years ago I think, that there will be insufficient electricity for on demand/streaming services to be viable as an alternative to broadcast TV in the future? Or have you had a subtle change of mind since then?

That certainly sounds crazy now.

Events will prove you wrong.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35984629)

If you find the post where I said that, you will also find the statistics I used to show that the UK national grid lacks the capacity to light up all the fibre that would be required to deliver the total viewing of all UK households over IP as opposed to the present mix of IP and broadcast. I actually don’t have the time or the inclination to do the work for you - feel free to search and post the link.

Sadly for you, “that certainly sounds crazy now” isn’t an effective counter-argument. What you need is some statistics showing projected growth in the UK’s energy production and distribution infrastructure. And while you’re at it, don’t forget to factor in other future uses of that infrastructure for which we are presently ill-prepared, principally charging all-electric vehicles.

Clearly you have plenty of time on your hands so I’m going to assume, if you don’t post the figures that back up your assertion, that you found the figures disagree with you.

Now, off you pop. :)

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35984637)

Boom. ;)

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984617)

I think so too. I will certainly record less as a result of such a decision. 4 weeks is too restrictive for me.

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They are not going to sink a shedload of money into it until superfast broadband is rolled out over the whole country. That's all that appears to be stopping them. Once they have the reach, watch this space.

Do I actually need to mention to you that the Britbox UK announcement is further evidence that on demand viewing/streaming is the future of TV? I still don't think you see it, do you, despite the substantial amount of evidence out there?