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Regarding publishers preferring the Xbox One because of the DRM... If both consoles cost the same, then maybe.
But what will really matter to them is how big each install base is...and given the clear difference in price I would expect the PS4 to end up in more homes, which will make it more attractive to the publishers regardless of the lack of MS-style DRM. The DRM issue will also make it more attractive to gamers, adding to the price factor. Quote:
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I currently have an Xbox One pre-ordered. When I get home, I'm going to cancel that pre-order and place one for a PS4 instead. £80 cheaper, more powerful (faster RAM plus double the GPU cores), more games, no always-online restrictions, no game re-sale restrictions, region free for games. I will get an Xbox One eventually, as e.g. I want to play Halo 5 plus also Titanfall looks interesting... But neither of those games are out this year and there is no way I'm dropping 800 quid on two consoles in one hit. This will be a reverse of the current generation, where I got a 360 at launch and waited until the PS3 was cheaper. Quote:
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Yeah I don't care about the camera. I don't play those kinds of games anyway and nor do I like speaking to computers.
Also PS4 looks like it will have more indie games on it given their support for them, even having them on stage at E3, compared to MS will seem to be stamping on them. http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/22/43...nd-indie-games ---------- Post added at 14:13 ---------- Previous post was at 14:08 ---------- http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-one-microsoft Microsoft have to change this. Quote:
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Why do they need to change it. Hasn't PC spftware and games always been the same. You are paying for a licence to use the product, not actually own it outright.
Why the problems with MS DRM, if you have ever bought from Steam/Origin then its exactly the same situation. THe always connected thing doesn't bother me at all as my 360 and PS3 are already always online. The One has a lot more games that interest me too but I will get the PS4 as well due to the exclusives it has. Also the two consoles don't look all that different really. If the kinect wasn't required then am sure the console would have been about the same price as the PS4. |
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Plus Steam doesn't quite work in the same way. With most titles, once you have activated the game you are free to play it offline without requirement to authenticate on a regular basis. Not sure about Origin. Anyway you aren't just locked down to one digital distribution medium on the PC, there are alternatives and as a result there is competitive pricing if you look hard enough.
Ultimately, Microsoft are driving their strategy down from the boardroom and trying to foist their vision on the gaming community which is never going to be well received. |
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So the reason Microsoft need to change it is because they're not competing against Steam. They're competing against Sony. |
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I am in two minds..I will decide closer to the time
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Doesn't the Move part of the controller require the Eye though?
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I think in time also the devs will start going across to MS when they see how much more money they can get and how much secure their games will be. It will take time but i believe Xbox One will win the war. Its a marathon not a sprint and Sony will sprint and run out of breathe but MS will pace them selfs and finish first |
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Pre Orders for launch XBox One get day one edition which comes with extra goodies :)
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Does anyone think that the advent of "PC style" restrictions on the Xbox One will also lead to "PC style" prices? No chance! You can bet that the latest games will still have RRPs of £40-50, regardless of any 24hour check-ins or re-sale restrictions that get added. |
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Ok so ive been doing more reading on this 'Shared Libray' thing. I am a little confused and hope someone can clear this up. If i buy lets say COD and have it installed on my X1 and then 'Share' my account with lets say my dad. He can play the game without having brought it and i can play the game as well, is this correct? Also i read you can only 'Share' the game to one person and thats it never again, this correct?
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As it stands now I have one 360 and everyone can play it if they come round is that the same? |
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If you *give* a game to someone else, you lose your own access to it. You cannot install a game, give the disc to a friend, and keep playing the game yourself off the HDD. It's the whole point of the 24hr check-ins: to ensure you're not trying to play something you no longer have the right to play. If the disc you bought gets authenticated against someone else's account it would be de-authenticated from your account. - Anyone can play any of your games on your console. - You can share your library with up to 10 family members, who can play any of your games on their own consoles. - You can *give* a game to someone else as a one-off transaction. ---------- Post added at 20:30 ---------- Previous post was at 20:28 ---------- ... We don't yet know how the "family" thing would work, but I'd assume there'd be some sort of "household" restriction for having "family" members on one account, otherwise people could just team up with up to 9 friends and share all their games with each other. |
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Hopefully more info will be given out about this soon. Its still all a bit vauge IMO and i think needs wording better
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Microsoft's entire Xbox One PR from the reveal onwards should have been worded better :(
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I think Microsoft out-source their decisions to an idiot in a box.
It's like the idea to have the tablet OS shared with the desktop OS rather than the mobile OS. ---------- Post added at 20:51 ---------- Previous post was at 20:49 ---------- Aghh I want to stay with Xbox. Why MS, WHYYYYYYYYYY :( |
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Hopefully by next year MS will have realised no-one gives a flying fig about voice control or motion games and will sell the One without the Kinect for a lower price.
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Xbox 360 S compared to the newer Xbox 360. I'm really struggling to find a point at all. No the newer console isn't huge, it's just the way the consoles were positioned but they're both similar in size. I just don't get it. |
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I was really hoping for the rumoured "Xbox Mini" that you could hook up to an Xbox One and use for BC :(
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So in reality reading in to the sharing and secondhand game thing its really not as bad or restrictive as some people are making it out to be?
Also if reports are correct then the DRM thing isn't really a problem for most gamers as pre orders are way higher than expected. Seems just a minority or vocal gamers opposing the DRM. |
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MS have made all this far too complicated, i think there will be alot of loyal Xbox fans swapping to PS4 this time around.
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I honestly don't think its all that complicated.
I do lend friends games but usually after loaning it once they either give it back as they didn't like it or go buy it themselves. |
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And the licensing stuff is quite restrictive, especially when compared to the PS4... |
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i know 4 people who have cancelled their xbox1 preorders and switched to sony
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I've still got mine pre ordered and have done since the reveal :)
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I have day one edition on order just in case. I still think Microsoft will ape Sony's approach given the aftermath of E3, I suspect they thought that Sony would follow suit with the DRM. I prefer the Xbox's controller tbh and that's why it's my main console. Any excuse they give me to continue with the Xbox will be taken.
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we still don't know when day one is?
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With the option to add drm by the publishers I think Sony are trying to pull the wool over eyes. Like it or not the future of games will mostly be digital downloads in the coming years and that is what Microsoft are pushing towards , Sony probably would have followed suit but not being able to get the Sony cloud ready to roll until sometime in 2014 may have had something to do with it. The ps controller is awful , absolutely useless on fps games ( my preferred gametype) , I'm just hoping that if I do eventually buy a ps4 one of the 3rd party controller makers might mimic the Microsoft one !!. |
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i thought that sony only confirmed their games would not have drm...but most of their games are independant?
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Just Pre-ordered XBOne Day One thru Game
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Looks like it could be over for the Xbox. I didn't expect them to take a hit this bad but their refusal to acknowledge what people want want has lost them a tonne of sales already and I feel we could be very well looking at the biggest console flop in gaming history. Amazon are claiming the Xbox pre-orders have been going down as well as cancellations since the Sony conference. The backlash of the internet is severe and unless Microsoft pull the plug on the nonsense they've given us over the past few months we may enjoy another Sega Saturn outcome.
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Remember the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 but Microsoft dominated the online market and addons. I can't see this happening if Microsoft fail to sell it. Sony have the fans and they may have just gained the millions of fans that bought the Xbox 360 and pumped their money into making Xbox Live that successful. Sorry Microsoft but unless you put an end to this joke I see Game Over. |
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People don't seem to realise that this is the way consoles are going anyway. Do people not realise that Sony and Nintendo will both deffos do it by the next next-gen.
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It doesn't matter if neither of them are around to release for next-gen. The Wii-U is a flop and the Xbox One is heading the same way.
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I mean that Sony and Nintendo will both have online only DRM next next-gen.
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And Sony have said the PS4 has a 10yr life span so i won't worry about it just yet, it is all about the current next Gen, and i think MS stuffed up. :)
Looks like i will be buying a PS4 this time as it seems the sensible thing to do unless MS change something. |
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Also I definately do not think that the One will flop. Aside from the vocal forum users online I still think the majority of the general public will still go with the Xbox. |
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I decided to put a deposit for a xbox one, and COD
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I still think people don't actually understand the way preowned games and sharing actually work. I mean take for example books. You used to buy a book and once finished it you would pass it to a freind or give it away. Now with E-Readers you buy the book and you can't do either of those things but E-Readers have still taken off and increased in popularity. I think the One will be the same. I am also sure that eventually there will be no physical copies of games for any system, so people may as well start getting used to it. |
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I just don't see why more people will walk into a GAME store and buy £70 more for the console with more restrictions on it. Looks at the line up all the crucial games are multi-platform. |
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I don't think I have single legit copy on my Kindle :D |
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Don Mattrick comes to Microsoft and then this happens, I can't exactly say he's responsible for it but they hire a guy that headed EA for 25 years and now they want to stop you playing used games...
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It is a great console. I bought one a few weeks ago. I think where Nintendo went wrong was to give it the same name as its previous system but only add a U to the title. Most people I think initially thought it was the same console with a new controller that could be added to the old one and not a totally new more powerful HD system with an inovative new controller. Given a different name I think it would have been in a different position now. Also as stated in a previous post once its big titles arrive ie Pikmin 3, Mario Kart and Marioworld 3D then I see its sales picking up. Why they never have their big titles at launch I'll never know.
But back to the topic. I really don't think MS will fail with the One. Yes there is DRM but thats not really the issue, however preowned games will still work. That was confirmed. It just means that the retail stores taking part would have to sign up to an MS database linking the titles into the user database to remove the title off an account once traded. Not really that big a deal to be honest. |
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I've just had a chat with Amazon and they have said that all pre orders placed prior to today are automatically being upgraded from the standard edition to the day one edition console. I'm very happy :D
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Xbox One will support external storage via the USB 3.0 ports
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I saw an ad for that on Xbox one while round my sisters, me thinks its the beginning of November for the Xbox One launch :)
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Once we have a date set in stone, then I'm booking a week off :)
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I've got a PS4 pre-ordered now, but haven't cancelled my Xbox One pre-order despite feeling that way after the price difference was revealed.
The anti-consumer BS doesn't actually affect me, other than annoy me due to Microsoft's arrogance. My only real *personal* issue with the Xbox One is the price... And if the game sharing thing works like people are hoping, then that won't be such an issue. All you'll need to do to cover that £80 difference is to team up with two Friends and all buy a different launch game then share your libraries... And of course you can add more friends and share more games... So I've swung from "SCREW YOU MICROSOFT!" to "Oh, OK... Maybe I will get one at launch, maybe not. I'll see what happens...But I still think MS are stupid, greedy, and arrogant regardless." The superiority of XBL and of course the Xbox controller is also another factor. The 360 pad is my fave pad ever, while the DualShock3 is probably one of my most hated. ---------- Post added at 21:44 ---------- Previous post was at 21:41 ---------- The "Family" sharing thing: http://penny-arcade.com/report/artic...t-some-details So... Who's up for creating a "Cable Forum Family" in November? ;) |
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Cool. I think it's a great idea, especially as it is apparently not restricted to actual family members or to people in the same house.
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I have a question about the controller, will they be releasing a play and charge kit for it?
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A CF one? I thought you were gunna be part of the BXB one, Matt?
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You won't be able to play at the same time tho right?
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So, it may be possible for e.g. you to play BF4 and a "Family" member to play the shared copy at the same time. We need more info from MS (as always!). Even if you can't play the same game at the same time, it's still a brilliant idea. |
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I don't know. I really want an Xbox. I love the control, Live, and it's got all my stuff on it. But I can't do it. The cost doesn't bother me as much as that requirement to connect every 24 hours. I am worried about their servers being down, my internet going down, and the fact it puts an artificial lifespan on the console.
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Me , just preordered :)
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I am with Damien on this, i really wanted an Xbox but i just can't do it, given what MS have done to it all and it is filled with that TV crap.
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