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And in 2014 it was 1.5%, 2015 0%, 2016 0.7%.

Also, last year, over half the staff received pay rises of 3-4% on top of the annual 1% rise.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42167359 I used to get this argument from colleagues, when there was a pay freeze where I worked, but the annual increments (for those who weren't top of the scale, which was about 75% of them) were worth 3-4%.

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That isn't really a fair argument is it? it has taken me 8 years to work up to the levels to get the pay I am on now which is £18,157.

It is a cheap way to employ staff at a lower cost doing the same job for less pay. Most private companies you work for you would have actually gone in at the top pay of 18k rather than starting down at around 15k.

It's not a payrise it's what you should be getting paid for doing the job

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Most private companies don’t start someone at the top of a pay band - what would be the point in having a band, then?

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Because it's normally public sector services that have a payband not private. You may get a few but most offer a set rate when employed by them the rest comes through promotion.

I can only assume this is to ease payments coming from the Government/public purse.

You don't suddenly get 1 million NHS workers all going in at the top banding. Some will leave before they get there other might cut their hours down. Comes in handy for schools where they employ staff on a yearly contract saving money if they need to let them go after the 12 months.

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I've worked in the private, public, staff-owned and non-profit sectors in a range of roles. All have had pay bands.

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Yup, me too.

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that's bollocks.

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I've worked in the private sector the areas I worked in never had pay bands and a lot don't I guess it depends on the company. but I've never seen a private company with 8 or more pay bands?

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I think most organisations over a certain size will have grades, the key determinant will be size not ownership although I guess public sector organisations tend not to be fewer than 20 staff.

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I doubt very much that the employee in Band 2 (15-18k) is doing the same job as employees in band 9 (79-100k).

https://www.rcn.org.uk/employment-an...scales-2017-18

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Agreed.
I suspect - the larger the organisation, the number of bands.

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the one in Band 2 probably works a lot harder and has more stress ! Such is life...

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Yes, I had that comment made to me when I was an IT Director at a University by a Programmer (Grade 6, pay band 33-38k) who worked a 37 hour week, compared to my 60 hour week...

He wasn’t the one fighting to keep him and his colleagues in a job when all the funding got cut.

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So basically you just think everyone is a piece of crap below you then that the work they do is worth nothing for the pay they get because of the level you have worked at?