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Perhaps it is because the government are actually the employer and thus it should be the govenment that sets the terms of renumeration for it's employees.

Once upon a time there was something called London Weighting, in salary packages. That was supposed to represent the extra costs of those who worked there.

Why shouldn't salaries be determined by region and location? As a private sector emplyee in the south east I don;t earn as much as if I worked in London, where I could communte. But if I commuted I'd want a larger salary to compensate for that time and cost. So why is it wrong for such regionalisation to be spread around the country to reflect real value of those locations?

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We very rarely do know what you are talking about ;)

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Why do I get the feeling we will soon hear about regional minimum wage given the torys were never in favour of the nmw. If this goes through they will see it as the justification to start messing about elsewhere. For those supporting this how is it fair for someone to do as much work for as many hours and be paid less because of where they live the job is the job.

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Nope, still don't understand, as it appears to be some wierd language ;)

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I think you have this the wrong way around.

At the moment a teacher for example, gets paid the same in Newcastle or Bedford, although the cost of living is far higher in Bedford. The government want to lower the pay in Newcastle to bring it in line with the cost of living there.

The only place where earnings are above the national level is in London with the London Waiting. And the fringe London Waiting in couties around London. However even this varies between different jobs at the moment.

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And in other areas public sector workers are paid far less than private. But I bet they wouldn't increase their pay.

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How about the private employees being paid more rather than the public ones less, is that fair and how does this work for MP's, are the ones up north going to be paid less than their southern counterparts all of a sudden, course not.

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Of course what the government wants for public sector employees of which i am one will not apply to mps (even though they are effectively public sector employees) as they are hypocrites of the highest order.:shocked:

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tbf, MPs spend most of the working week in London....

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I can only give my opinion of this proposal based on my experiences as a Civil Servant.

I worked out of an office situated in a poorer area of Manchester, located there as the premises were cheaper for the Government and i had no problems with with that what so ever. I live in a much more affluent area of Manchester where housing and associated cost are a lot higher. I am assuming that the wages would be linked to the office and this seems highly contentious and I wouldn't put it past the Government to relocate offices etc to less prestigious areas if it meant they could manipulate the wage bill in doing so..... As an illustration the offices dealing with the UK Retirement Pensions have been centralised and located in Fleetwood, Lancashire. What is to stop all other departments being centralised and located in areas which would allow the Government to pay the lowest wages possible despite the employees commuting from more affluent areas. I know a case can be made for relocating work to areas of greater unemployment but this work is already being done by existing employees most of whom already being paid less than their Private Sector equivalents.

At one time in the past Civil Servants wages were negotiated with the National Whitley Council acting as a go-between and in the main wages were assessed by comparing the wages paid to employees in the private sector. This went on for several years until the Government found that the private sector wages were invariably higher than those in the public sector and decided to change the basis of wage increases to a negotiated percentage increase which allowed the gulf to widen. When the percentage increase was under dispute we were always reminded that, compared to the private sector, our jobs were more secure and that our Pensions prospects were a lot better. ( Both these things being no longer true for current CS employees, so don't get me started on those issues)

This is the link to a site I have found interesting if any one wants to spend a few hours reading about the Civil Service :D How to be a Civil Servant.

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To be honest nothing would change, they would just claim back more in expenses.

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A jokey aside:

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2012/03/1...-be-paid-less/

I wouldn't put it past them though.....

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Yes cosseted in a nice bubble of expenses, who knows what Dave and Gideon's next plan will be, do they know women are paid the same as men.

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Yes, they do - nice ad hominem attack on them, though...;)

My point was in response to a suggestion that MPs outside the South of England be paid less - since most of their working time is spent in London, not a reasoned proposition, IMHO.

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I think it is reasoned as they go home in the many recesses and how much of their costs down here are covered by expenses and not wages. Doesn't matter what we argue anyway Hugh, they won't be joining in on this policy for sure.

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Very few spend most of the week in London. They are supposed to spend most of the time in their constituencies.

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Why? They aren't governors or mayors of their constituencies, they are the representative of that constituency in Parliament. They should spend more time in London and go back once or twice a week to consult with their constituents. The rest of the time they should be appearing in Parliament and debate and vote in the best interest of those constituents, theoretically anyway.