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What? How so? And certainly not if the families are among the dead. |
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Another serious news thread spoilt by the same faces bickering
Will just go read a newspaper instead |
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I wonder if Jeremy Corbyn has phoned his friends in Hamas and asked them if they’d kindly stop raping, kidnapping and murdering people.
Friends in Hamas. Specifically. These people. To think that Corbyn and his fellow travellers were (albeit briefly) allowed to run one of our two major political parties is all the more chilling. Whatever you think about Boris Johnson and his legacy, what would the alternative have been, had that utter shower been in charge of our government today? To even imagine the equivocation coming out of Downing Street is awful. |
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Telling also that his preference is for equivocation like ‘immediate cease fire’ rather than specifically calling on his friends in Hamas to stop the very specifically war-crimey things they’re doing, release civilian hostages and return to Gaza. An immediate cease fire does rather imply that Hamas gets to continue to occupy those Israeli settlements it has captured and to hold on to the people it has kidnapped. I wonder what reasons he might offer the Israeli government for not immediately retaking its sovereign territory by force and attempting to rescue its citizens. As a contrast, I offer Keir Starmer’s statement, which says in part that “Labour stands firmly in support of Israel's right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect its citizens … The indiscriminate attacks from Hamas are unjustifiable and have set back the cause of peace." He has also deliberately used the word ‘terrorism’ in relation to Hamas’ actions, a designation that not everyone on the British left would be willing to admit. |
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Considering everyone predicts the current trajectory to be more war and more bloodshed he’s clearly right that the status quo is not sustainable. Pierre and yourself have quite eloquently outlined the alternative - essentially a genocide. |
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I don’t think my view of Corbyn is at all fanciful when his comments are taken in the round, especially in the context of who he has chosen to be seen with, and who he has called his friends over many years. But in the grand scheme of things that’s a sideshow and I have no intention of going on about it for the next 10 pages. What’s more concerning is that when you look at the conflict, all the way back to its 19th century roots, I think it becomes clear that if there is ever a permanent ‘solution’ it will have been wrought by one side pretty much eliminating the other. If there isn’t a solution then we will continue with a version of the status quo. A state and a non-state, uneasy neighbours occasionally flaring up into murderous cycles of bloodletting. The so-called ‘two-state solution’ died some time ago but nobody is yet willing to stand up and say so. |
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Hamas have given us a vivid reminder of the evils of the current Islamist extremes. They are content to die for their faith and here is the result. Saying that, this is a significant failure for the Israeli security services. They are supposed to have Gaza locked down by sea and land but we see 1000's of missiles being smuggled in, assembled and fired into Israel.
What is interesting are the "normal" reactions from both sides where they condemn the other side yet dance around the reasons and underpinnings of these events. Corbyn is a classic example of this. He will not condemn the attacks in clear language yet will pivot back to the behaviour of Israel. As you can see on this forum, no sensible debate can be had without recognising the faults on both sides. Gaza is the worlds largest prison camp. It has minimal healthcare, water & electricity rationed by Israel and 40% unemployment. Generations have been born in this camp with literally no hope. No wonder the likes of Hamas seduce them. In a way, Israel helped to form Hamas. By refusing to take seriously the PLO and its attempts to pursue a two state solution, it effectedly spawned Hamas and led us here today. Both sides are signed up a predominantly Old Testament moral code: "an eye for an eye" with the inevitable "sow and ye shall reap". Like some here are doing, everyone in Gaza are treated as terrorists: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67045078 Quote:
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Gaza is reliant on Israel because of it's geographical location and it seems to be overcrowded. Not a lot of scope to build an economy, unless Egypt is going to hand over some territory.
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