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Not especially funny but it was clearly intended as a joke. They forgot people have a ability to have a humor bypass when it suits them too.

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Global recession. Caused by issues that were global. Labour were at fault for not saving money so that we could spend ourselves out of recession without seriously impacting upon the debt. There shouldn't have been a deficit during a boom. Equally we can only expect a deficit during a recession.

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yep it was intended as a joke, just considering the problems with the economy its something not to be joked about

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Why? It's not as if it impacts upon it's recovery. Why can't we joke about it?

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I doubt many people would have seen it as much of a joke had a so called 'Tory toff' written that note. What 'we' joke about now, after the event, is one thing. What Liam Byrne thought appropriate to 'joke' about on leaving office is quite another and quite unacceptable given all the misery their overspending and ineptitude would lead to. A sincere appology would've been more approrpiate frankly! I don't suppose that worried him too much though as all he was interested in was making life as hard as possible for those who'd have to take the tough decisions made inevitable by his government's profligacy. Ha ha ha Liam! Great joke mate! :rolleyes:

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And they would have been just as wrong. Equally you can say that had a Tory had that joke then some people will have been defending it as a 'joke'.

People are flippant and joke all the time about serious matters. I have heard jokes at funerals of all places, we have jokes about death, war and disasters. It's just a human trait. People need to grow a thicker skin. Of all the matters to get upset about, really.

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I'm a lot more upset by the mess they left than the stupid comment Byrne made but it signifies the sort of detachment from reality that he and his party like to label the Tories with. Hypocrisy, inept government, lies and spin - yup when it comes to Labour's legacy to the people there's a lot more to be upset about than Byrne's pathetic attempt at humour.

Anyway, when it comes to the finances of London, I'm a lot happier to have Boris in charge than another loony left spendthrift whose answer to everything is chuck taxpayers' money at it.

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Again if you were in London you'd see things differently, such as realising that what you just said is nonsense.

Insular is a pretty interesting word to describe Londoners too given London is as multicultural as they come.

Pulling out the usual stereotypes is par for the course I guess.

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Conservative save? You're having a laugh. These guys are still spending like the wind, just on the wrong things. They've done less than 12% of the cuts but hit us with the vast majority of the tax rises.

You're thinking of genuinely conservative governments, not the bunch of tools posing as Tories in power now.

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First and foremost look to yourself for bias, as with most tory supporters you dislike the thought of anyone saying anything about the policies put in place by the average tory government because they tend to have a detrimental impact on the ordinary people of this county, this is because in the main we have policies put in place that help their well heeled friends and not the average person.

How many cabinet members of this or any other tory government have actual first hand knowledge of the way real people actually live in this country, many getting by on very little due to cutbacks in services and benefits, we even have threads on these subjects on this forum.

I find it truly sad that you have to use the area that I live in to try and win your case, now that is sinking to new depths just to try and put an argument across but no more or less than to be expected from a tory.

The average tory supporter tend to believe everything is fine even while the country is in a state of collapse around them, the tale of Nero and Rome burning springs to mind.

I know that you or another supporter will be along to try and twist my meanings because you cannot believe that the tory party could ever act in such a way, but it is just history repeating itself as in the time of the tories and the whigs when the man in the street never had the right to vote due to their class.

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All i need do is change Tory for Labour and i can fit that post to you


Its not the first time Labour spent all of this countries money and i am sure when the Tories have fixed the issues and Labour con there way back into power and get hold of the counties money again they will bring us to our knees pretty dam quickly

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The Labour party in recent years have been little different to the Conservatives all snouts in the trough but many policies under the Conservatives do little for the ordinary people but much more for their supporters who fund the party.

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Unsure if you've noticed but this set of Tories continue to spend far too much, on the wrong things.

Fiscal Year 2011
Central Government £512 billion
Local Authority £179 billion
Total Spending £691 billion

Public Pensions £122 billion
National Health Care £121 billion
Social Security £110 billion
State Protection £34 billion
State Education £91 billion
Defence £46 billion

Fiscal Year 2012
Central Government £527 billion
Local Authority £185 billion
Total Spending £713 billion

Public Pensions £129 billion
National Health Care £124 billion
Social Security £112 billion
State Protection £33 billion
State Education £93 billion
Defence £47 billion

Fiscal Year 2013
Central Government £540 billion
Local Authority £192 billion
Total Spending £731 billion

Public Pensions £137 billion
National Health Care £125 billion
Social Security £111 billion
State Protection £33 billion
State Education £90 billion
Defence £44 billion

Taking money away from the kids' education, the armed forces and social protection and giving it to the wealthiest group in increased pensions to keep their votes. *******s.

EDIT: Fundamentally if discussing the Tories and their 'conservative' policies there's these figures:

Total Public Spending in the United Kingdom Fiscal Year 2010 = £669 billion
Total Public Spending in the United Kingdom Fiscal Year 2015 = £770 billion

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Crikey Sirius.Are you advocating that we never have any other party than Conservative?I really couldn't face the jam tomorrow brigade for ever. It's nice to get jam every week with Labour while they are in..:D

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The funny thing is one day BOJO could be the next Tory leader, and you never know PM?

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How is that funny, imo it's a frightening prospect and I strongly suspect he not only wants the top job but he'll challenge for it before the next general election.

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definately ,as much as i like Boris i wouldn't want him as leader of the country

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Be very surprised if he could challenge for it before the next election. There would have to be a rather large political event for that to happen.

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I dont care any more because soon i will not be able to comment.

As i will not be voting ever again it will not therefor be right for me to complain about the expenses stealing lying *******s that are in power at the time.

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A large political event like a by election for instance.

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He's already on record as saying he will serve his full mayoral term. It'd take a pretty seismic shift in things for him to renege on that.

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Well as turnout here was under 30% I reckon that this is the direction that future turn outs will be.I'm wondering how low it has to get before someone realises that they really have to come up with some workable ideas to get people voting again.

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I was thinking that myself and this applies to the local elections also .Voter apathy needs to addressed because democracy fails when less and less people vote

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Some remotely decent options would be good. The major section of the ruling coalition is a joke, the minor section beyond comedy, the opposition farcical.

The sooner people stop voting for a colour and start voting for the best policies, whether red, blue, yellow or someone else, the better.

Of course this does require the population to inform themselves a bit, although this can be done without even having to leave their sofa nor get off their generally rather large arse.

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They will need to do something special to prevent me from writing my special message to them on my voting slip.

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I really can't see politicians acting like turkeys voting for Christmas. They'll simply ignore the public's apathy and carry on regardless having, of course, first promised to have learned from it all blah, blah, blah...

The main parties need a really big shock to make them wake up. Maybe the Lib Dems have just had that shock, who knows. However, while there are enough people who'll blindly vote one way or the other come hell or high water, there's no incentive for our leaders to change anything. So many of them appear to be shameless that expecting them to be embarrassed into change by ever shrinking electoral turnouts is expecting rather too much I feel.

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What will you do with all your new found spare time then? ;) :D