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Correct he didn't, Pierre didn't either, he referred to northerners not Hartlepool as being monkey hangers which is (as you point out) incorrect.

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Xenophobia, the posh way to call people racists.

I didn’t need the history lesson, I was the one that initially mentioned the hanging of monkeys in full knowledge of its historical context.

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If they’re concerned about industry moving to the EU how does no deal solve that over a deal?

I can easily call someone irrational if they appear to be acting against their own interests which at face value you claim, or at least haven’t proven the contrary with your historic reasons for voting leave. A deal (or none) is about the future.

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There are two reasons why employers use zero-hour contracts as it allows them to take in staff as demand for their services fluctuates..

Also it can be used as a way of avoiding workers' rights.

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I don't think Brexit is the issue, it's to do with tax, pay rates and working hours. These companies where probably already on the move anyway brexit is just an excuse.

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Companies will always try to lower their wage bill if they can and if that means employing more from outside the UK they will have no hesitation in doing that.

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So basically as I said this is why you get a lot of Europeans working in large numbers for these kinds of jobs now.

Of course it's not just them you do get a lot of Asians as well.

the point being having worked in this kind of industry for years it's pushing out local people who are either claiming benefits trying to find a stable job or pushing them further moving out of the area trying to find work elsewhere

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They’re past concerned, they’re royally pissed off. They’re less concerned about losing anymore industry, god knows there’s little left.

They’re more hopeful of industry returning under Brexit. Deal or no deal, just Brexit.

agreed, certainly doesn’t make you correct

And you are a custodian of their interests? You know what’s best for them?

My dear JFman this is the very same arrogant bollocks that our Parliament is currently displaying, and look where they are, especially in the eyes of a large number of the electorate

Do some more research, and educate yourself. Know your past, fix your future.

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The fault does not lie with Europeans coming over here for work as the fault lies with companies who are prepared to undercut what they paid UK employees previously.

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The same sentiment still applies.

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And of course its very easy for certain parts of the media and their narrative they espouse to blame all our deep ills on Johnny Foreigner coming over here and taking all our jobs.

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The place I work at is now staffed approx 70% by foreign workers

and that's just one place in the UK . . go figure

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And that is their fault?.

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Has anyone said it’s Their fault?

I don’t think anyone blames any foreign national working here, doing the best they can for themselves and their families. They are blameless.

Also blameless are the U.K communities that have been affected by immigration and the demise of U.K. industry, partly due to Policies.

So who should we blame?

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Certain media outlets play on the narrative its all their fault abroad and from there its very easy to propagate a exaggerated myth that those coming from abroad are to blame.

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Indeed they are blameless as they have families to feed just like any of us.

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+1

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Politicians and some of their policies which have been deeply detrimental to many poorer communities.

And some companies who then take advantage of that by undercutting local workers by replacing them with labour that is cheaper.

Of course they are just a couple of things as l am sure you have some thoughts of your own.

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Minimum wage is Minimum wage, no matter who you are or where you're from.

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I think a lot of Brexiteers are just fed up with EU interference and just want a conventional trade deal with them, not the 'very close links' that TM had in mind.