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OLD BOY 26-01-2018 13:25

Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35934095)
Yes, voting leave hasn't impacted the UK negatively one iota. Oh, hang on!


UK annual growth slips to lowest since 2012

Buckley's narrative is a blatant manipulation of the news. Where are the facts to support this?

heero_yuy 26-01-2018 14:08

Re: Brexit discussion
 
It seems that construction was the main sector affecting the slightly lower overall growth as it contracted slightly. Hardly a Brexit affected industry unless all the Polish brickies have gone home.

1andrew1 26-01-2018 14:40

Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35934100)
But we haven’t left yet..... That’s the line getting thrown out in 24 hours on here by your Remainer buddies. :rolleyes:

They are correct and you are indeed wise to heed their words. ;) Worse is to come if we do leave the single market.

Mick 26-01-2018 14:54

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35934128)
They are correct and you are indeed wise to heed their words. ;) Worse is to come if we do leave the single market.

We are leaving the single market and customs union, not doing so, is keeping a foot in the door to the EU which is what people who voted leave don't want.

Leave means leave, not half in half out.

denphone 26-01-2018 15:15

Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35934134)
We are leaving the single market and customs union, not doing so, is keeping a foot in the door to the EU which is what people who voted leave don't want.

Leave means leave, not half in half out.

You better tell that to those at war over it in the PM's cabinet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42823654

OLD BOY 26-01-2018 16:31

Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35934138)
You better tell that to those at war over it in the PM's cabinet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42823654

We are leaving the Customs Union. How else are we going to forge our own trade deals?

1andrew1 26-01-2018 17:16

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35934158)
We are leaving the Customs Union. How else are we going to forge our own trade deals?

I fear the fact-free Leaver media have misinformed you and many others about the Customs Union in order for you to vote Leave. Iceland is a member of the Customs Union but has negotiated a trade deal with China.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...ith-China.html

Anyway, we may not really leave as Sky News explains:
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Because, from within the Cabinet Brexit subcommittee, the idea of essentially remaining part of the same customs union is now seriously being pondered again.
Formally, this will be a separate and entirely new customs union between the UK and the EU27. Functionally, it means exactly what people meant a year ago when it was first suggested the UK would stay in such an arrangement.
https://news.sky.com/story/long-read...union-11222746

Mick 26-01-2018 17:39

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35934165)
I fear the fact-free Leaver media have misinformed you and many others about the Customs Union in order for you to vote Leave. Iceland is a member of the Customs Union but has negotiated a trade deal with China.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...ith-China.html

Anyway, we may not really leave as Sky News explains:

https://news.sky.com/story/long-read...union-11222746

You are the one who is misinformed. Iceland is not in the EU Customs Union, they are in a EEA, European Economic Area agreement. Thus, able to strike their own trade deals, they still have to abide by certain rules but I repeat, they are not in the EU Customs Union.

OLD BOY 26-01-2018 17:42

Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35934171)
You are the one who is misinformed. Iceland is not in the EU Customs Union, they are in a EEA, European Economic Area agreement. Thus, able to strike their own trade deals, they still have to abide by certain rules but I repeat, they are not in the EU Customs Union.

Correct.:)

Hugh 26-01-2018 17:44

Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35934173)
Correct.:)

Yup - they are in the Single Market, not the EU CU.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36083664

OLD BOY 26-01-2018 17:44

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35934128)
They are correct and you are indeed wise to heed their words. ;) Worse is to come if we do leave the single market.

Not correct. :(

Carth 26-01-2018 17:45

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Are we getting any closer to a harmonious decision about whether Brexit is good or bad?

Let's take a look:

Facts for = 36
Facts against = 36

Tabloid manipulation for = 42
Tabloid manipulation against = 42

Non biased media for = 50%
Non biased media against = 50%

Lies & deceit for = 68.49%
Lies & deceit against = 68.49%

Results indicate an accurate scoring (to within + or - 73%) which reveals that, as yet, nobody has the faintest idea what's going on :D

Forecast = carry on posting :Yes:

1andrew1 26-01-2018 19:31

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35934171)
You are the one who is misinformed. Iceland is not in the EU Customs Union, they are in a EEA, European Economic Area agreement. Thus, able to strike their own trade deals, they still have to abide by certain rules but I repeat, they are not in the EU Customs Union.

My bad, well played, please accept my apologies.
But my main point remains - the EU Customs Union is not off the agenda. As the quote from Sky News showed, common sense may yet still prevail, "From within the Cabinet Brexit subcommittee, the idea of essentially remaining part of the same customs union is now seriously being pondered again."

RizzyKing 26-01-2018 19:47

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Don't pin your hopes on us staying in the customs union as it's highly unlikely it will be happening due to opposition from a number of EU member states and i really wouldn't put much faith in anything the media says in relation to brexit as all of them are too agenda ridden. Much like the EU referendum campaigns the average member of the public is struggling to get impartial and accurate information it's pretty depressing to be honest all we get is both sides throwing out rubbish that they think their supporters want to hear.

1andrew1 26-01-2018 19:54

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35934199)
Don't pin your hopes on us staying in the customs union as it's highly unlikely it will be happening due to opposition from a number of EU member states and i really wouldn't put much faith in anything the media says in relation to brexit as all of them are too agenda ridden. Much like the EU referendum campaigns the average member of the public is struggling to get impartial and accurate information it's pretty depressing to be honest all we get is both sides throwing out rubbish that they think their supporters want to hear.

I think it's pretty clear that the cabinet is divided on Brexit but I've seen no evidence that EU member states wouldn't want to have a customs union with us. Certainly, it's pretty obligatory if we are going to honour our promises to the island of Ireland.
And Sky News is a reliable and impartial source IMHO.


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