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ntl: 50Mbps Broadband - December 1st 2006 (RUMOUR)
I've posted this as a RUMOUR because no one is 100% sure till a press release is put on ntlworld, even if one of the big boys in ntl say so.
SO, i got told by a friend who is a broadband tech that ntl will offer:
- Up To 50Mbps Broadband
- From 1st December 2006
- £54.99 per month
Do you think any of this is true, i also saw something simular to this on ntl hell website.
Start discussing :) :Yikes:
Say goodbye to any other speed you were thinking of receiving from your service :rolleyes:
Say goodbye to any other speed you were thinking of receiving from your service :rolleyes:
What do you mean exactly?
You think this is untrue?
What do you mean exactly?
You think this is untrue?
I don't think it's untrue, i just think there is no way their network can cover 50mb users without killing off every other user at the UBR at the same time.
An interesting point would be the upload speed with this as well...
Graham M
15-09-2006, 22:14
NTL's Network in it's current state will break and fall with 50MBit usewhores, plus it will require a new Modem standard to be implemented over their network AFAIK. I personally can't see it, but time will tell.
Maybe is untrue for the date i was told, but if you've checked ntl's status page in the last month till now and beyond its been jam-packed with network upgrades ...
kibblerok
15-09-2006, 22:33
Maybe is untrue for the date i was told, but if you've checked ntl's status page in the last month till now and beyond its been jam-packed with network upgrades ...
To be fair though, it always has been.
It is pretty jammed at the moment in a lot of areas. The upgrades at the moment will probably just bring it back to what it should be.
Its a possibility in the future, but for the 1st Dec 06....... :erm:
To be fair though, it always has been.
It is pretty jammed at the moment in a lot of areas. The upgrades at the moment will probably just bring it back to what it should be.
Its a possibility in the future, but for the 1st Dec 06....... :erm:
Year: 3006 ;)
OMG i hope this is NOT true. There is no way a ubr will handle this in their present form.
There is no way i want someone like me ;) to have 50 meg download.
It's "coming soon"!!
So is the tooth fairy and that's a fantasy as well
well, I have heard mutterings :erm:
zing_deleted
15-09-2006, 22:57
Its to expensive and besides on 10 meg dvds come down in an hour im happy with 10 but I may sample it for a month lol lol
well why has everyone dismissed it ? for the past few months i have noticed alot of works going on, on the status page, now it might not be anything but it is possible, just because NTL have not announced anything does not mean its not happening, imo its too early for 50mbps
if it is 50mbps and i can sustain it transfer wise using diffarent methods then sky broadband can go jump :D
zing_deleted
15-09-2006, 23:02
but over 50 quid a month theres just no need
but over 50 quid a month theres just no need
if we all had that train of thought we would all be on 56k :rolleyes: if someone said to you we would be sat down typing/communicating all over the globe in various forms to other people 'back in the day' before the internet was born in its form of being a linked chain across the globe what would you have said ?
there is no need ?
what about other forms of communcation ? the telephone ? radios ?
they are just not needed ?
this is why other countries (such as sweden and japan) are advanced in the broadband spectrum, technology is there to push the boundaries of thought, using implimentation, if the money is there then so it should be used.
zing_deleted
15-09-2006, 23:11
no theres no need to pay over 50 quid a month not theres no need for the speed pick ya dummy up lol lol
no theres no need to pay over 50 quid a month not theres no need for the speed pick ya dummy up lol lol
me dummy :mad: :D
why is there not a need ?
there are services coming to the uk where you download full movies legally for a fee, if you can atleast sustain the transfer speeds through traffic management its well worth it rather than wait.
also,the implimentation of video streaming through 'pay per view' over the internet, webcasting, HD broadcasts, yes there are bottenecks but overcoming the boundaries of saying 'no need' is an individuals, looking past the answer is imperative in understanding what broadband is for, its a medium, a gateway to a world of entertainment and education, if used correctly..
zing_deleted
15-09-2006, 23:20
feel free to pay for it then mate again read these word I dont mean the speed I mean the cost.And I wasnt calling you a dummy I said pick your dummy up
I'd not pay anything over £35 for internet, so looks like i'd not be getting this.
feel free to pay for it then mate again read these word I dont mean the speed I mean the cost.
as the old saying goes "you get what you pay for"
And I wasnt calling you a dummy I said pick your dummy up
i dont own a dummy, neither do i have one anywhere around me, im just stating my opinion, as you are.
zing_deleted
15-09-2006, 23:28
oh dear I was infering that you had thrown your dummy out of the pram by getting a little hot under the collar.Sorry but it appears to have passed over ;)
... In other news:
Regarding ntl: 50Mbps... ;) :D
... In other news:
Regarding ntl: 50Mbps... ;) :D
Yep, back on topic guys please :angel:
I'd never pay £55 a month for that!
I'd never pay £55 a month for that!
werent people paying £50 for 1.5mbps not so long ago ?
zing_deleted
15-09-2006, 23:42
I didnt know of a residential package that expensive
well I reckon if I stay at the lowest tier eventually Ntl will upgrade me speed wise and not expect me to pay anymore than I do now.They have already upgraded me free three times now in terms of speed.:)
I guess it is worth it if the upload speed was upgraded to around 5Mbps or 10Mbps but still ntl would be a fool to price it that high.
I wouldn't pay for it, all you are paying for is time, I can see the point in having that speed, but not to pay for it at that price as Zingle says. Unless you want DVDs in 10 minutes instead of an hour. But saying that we all thought 56k was fast when it changed from 33k, 1mb was a huge jump, 10mb is now normal and now we're saying that's not quick enough. Some people won't be happy till they can download a dvd in an instant.
The only good thing about 50mb is maybe the ablility to download Hi Def movies which would take the same amount of time as downloading a dvd on 10mb.
monkey2468
15-09-2006, 23:48
The current docsis standard wouldn't cope with it even on 256qam which isn't fully rolled out. .....but i've been wrong before! (not going to mention channel re-ordering!:) )
Graham M
15-09-2006, 23:49
I guess it is worth it if the upload speed was upgraded to around 5Mbps or 10Mbps but still ntl would be a fool to price it that high.
It would have to be at least that to send all of the ACKs for the download speed.
I wouldn't pay for it, all you are paying for is time, I can see the point in having that speed, but not to pay for it at that price as Zingle says. Unless you want DVDs in 10 minutes instead of an hour. But saying that we all thought 56k was fast when it changed from 33k, 1mb was a huge jump, 10mb is now normal and now we're saying that's not quick enough. Some people won't be happy till they can download a dvd in an instant.
The only good thing about 50mb is maybe the ablility to download Hi Def movies which would take the same amount of time as downloading a dvd on 10mb.
lol, that is true, even when you're able to get movies instantly, people still wont be happy, they will want more and more.
Im happy with 10Mbps as long as i get 10Mbps and i have not been getting it recently (last 2 weeks) and it will need a better upload, all will be cool then :)
I think the price (if true) is very reasonable for the 50MB service. I used to pay internet/phone charges of £100+ in the old dial-up days.
But what would annoy people on the 10MB tariff is they'd be paying more per MB than the 50MB customers. So if this new 50MB service goes ahead in December, I would expect ntl to raise the 10MB to a higher tariff of 20/25MB at the same time. That way 10MB customers couldn't complain of paying substantially more per meg than the 50MB customers. Perhaps the rollover effect would continue and 1/2MB might become 5MB and 4MB becomes the new 10MB.
And then when it comes to the Virgin rebrand time, a new bittorrent video download service may be released. This is to go with the 50MB as we know ntl have been testing it for some time now. But as said, whether their network can take it is another matter entirely.
cybernetic_tiger
16-09-2006, 08:49
Has anyone thought about the cable modems?
The Ex NTL: ambits (New 250) can only handle up to 43Mbps
The Ex Telewest Motorola 5100 (Newest) can only handle up to 36.5Mbps
The Ex Telewest Webstar 2100 can only handle up to 38.6Mbps
and... if you are using USB the quickest connection you will get through any of these is 12Mbps.
All of the above support DOCSIS2.0 but not 3.0.
If NTL go ahead with this then i for one will drop my broadband service with them and go adsl. It will mean i will have to have a BT line in :mad:, But i will use it just for the adsl. I honestly do not think this will be good for the normal user. When you look at the **** up NTL made of the 10 meg BTW my speed at the moment below.
Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:59:02 GMT
1st 128K took 156 ms = 840205 Bytes/sec = approx 6991 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 454 ms = 288705 Bytes/sec = approx 2402 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 453 ms = 289342 Bytes/sec = approx 2407 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 1250 ms = 104858 Bytes/sec = approx 872 kbits/sec
To repeat this test from the source server click here (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d.h.walker/speedtest.html?1158393545703).
To repeat this test from a web proxy cache (if present):
That is ment to be 10 meg :LOL:
Now that's in a morning you can imagine what that is like at night.
So if they have problems with 10 meg what the hell will happen when they use 2 down streams and really stress out the UBRS with 50 meg.
I can and could if i wanted to download at least 800 gig a month on the news groups if i decided to download HD content. What do you think i could download if i had 50 meg capability.
Again i don't think at this time NTL should be doing this if they are.
One last point i know that unscrupulous users are load balancing modems using linux, Do you want one of those users ****ing up your UBR ?. :mad:
As per my name ;)
http://www.newvideobusiness.com/content/view/68/26/
The current cost of DOCSIS 3.0 modems prohibits their use in every customer home and, until prices fall, NTL plans to deploy modems at the street cabinet level and then run Ethernet over coax to homes and straight into the PC. This architecture means the high bandwidth will be shared by small groups of customers to begin with.
I believe that the relevant kit is being installed at the moment.
No way you can run 50M down the existing stuff, just not going to happen.
Remember last year Telewest saying that they would be offering this before the end of 2006?
As per my name ;)
http://www.newvideobusiness.com/content/view/68/26/
I believe that the relevant kit is being installed at the moment.
No way you can run 50M down the existing stuff, just not going to happen.
Remember last year Telewest saying that they would be offering this before the end of 2006?
So not going to happen here in Warrington by December. Good
And :welcome: to Cable Forum.
So not going to happen here in Warrington by December. Good
And :welcome: to Cable Forum.
No strain on 10M peeps at all, and at least there won't be any cloning of modems as you won't have them.
Not sure where they're going to get the 4 new QAMs from for it though. Say byebye to some more analogue maybe ;)
No strain on 10M peeps at all, and at least there won't be any cloning of modems as you won't have them.
Not sure where they're going to get the 4 new QAMs from for it though. Say byebye to some more analogue maybe ;)
Indeed.
And if it stops the leeching cloners then its got to be a good thing.
As per my name ;)
http://www.newvideobusiness.com/content/view/68/26/
I believe that the relevant kit is being installed at the moment.
No way you can run 50M down the existing stuff, just not going to happen.
Remember last year Telewest saying that they would be offering this before the end of 2006?
Interesting article. Shame that Steve was pushed out not that long after it.
FusionXN1
16-09-2006, 10:37
I just got moved and now have had NTL 10MB for 3 days my speed results...
Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:34:08 GMT
1st 128K took 106 ms = 1236528 Bytes/sec = approx 10288 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 103 ms = 1272544 Bytes/sec = approx 10588 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 107 ms = 1224972 Bytes/sec = approx 10192 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 106 ms = 1236528 Bytes/sec = approx 10288 kbits/sec
I am loving this speed considering I just came from a 2MB connection (max 230kb now i get over 1100kb all the time)
According to my source, the ntl exec's have 18mb, 30mb and 100mb on the table for Q1 2007 - they are only cards on the table ATM so it maybe scrapped but that's what they currently have in mind.
ONDEMAND is coming to the grimsby area next month BTW :)
ntl: 50Mbps Broadband - December 1st 2006 (RUMOUR)
I've posted this as a RUMOUR because no one is 100% sure till a press release is put on ntlworld, even if one of the big boys in ntl say so.
SO, i got told by a friend who is a broadband tech that ntl will offer:
- Up To 50Mbps Broadband
- From 1st December 2006
- £54.99 per month
Do you think any of this is true, i also saw something simular to this on ntl hell website.
Start discussing :) :Yikes:
We struggle to get 10meg never mind 50 meg, NTL will have to do alot of work to get their network up to 50meg standard.
I just got moved and now have had NTL 10MB for 3 days my speed results...
Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:34:08 GMT
1st 128K took 106 ms = 1236528 Bytes/sec = approx 10288 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 103 ms = 1272544 Bytes/sec = approx 10588 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 107 ms = 1224972 Bytes/sec = approx 10192 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 106 ms = 1236528 Bytes/sec = approx 10288 kbits/sec
I am loving this speed considering I just came from a 2MB connection (max 230kb now i get over 1100kb all the time)
According to my source, the ntl exec's have 18mb, 30mb and 100mb on the table for Q1 2007 - they are only cards on the table ATM so it maybe scrapped but that's what they currently have in mind.
ONDEMAND is coming to the grimsby area next month BTW :)
Try living where i am.
Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:48:20 GMT
1st 512K took 609 ms = 840.7 KB/sec, approx 6927 Kbps, 6.76 Mbps
2nd 512K took 532 ms = 962.4 KB/sec, approx 7930 Kbps, 7.74 Mbps
3rd 512K took 421 ms = 1216.2 KB/sec, approx 10021 Kbps, 9.79 Mbps
4th 512K took 766 ms = 668.4 KB/sec, approx 5508 Kbps, 5.38 Mbps
Overall Average Speed = approx 7597 Kbps, 7.42 Mbps
To repeat this test from the source server click here (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.marsden/newspeedtest.html?1158407303562).
Good 10 meg connection NOT
Try living where i am.
Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:48:20 GMT
1st 512K took 609 ms = 840.7 KB/sec, approx 6927 Kbps, 6.76 Mbps
2nd 512K took 532 ms = 962.4 KB/sec, approx 7930 Kbps, 7.74 Mbps
3rd 512K took 421 ms = 1216.2 KB/sec, approx 10021 Kbps, 9.79 Mbps
4th 512K took 766 ms = 668.4 KB/sec, approx 5508 Kbps, 5.38 Mbps
Overall Average Speed = approx 7597 Kbps, 7.42 Mbps
To repeat this test from the source server click here (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.marsden/newspeedtest.html?1158407303562).
Good 10 meg connection NOT
That is good though, try living where i am, 0.30Mbps and below sometimes :Yikes:
On the 10Mbps service
Chrysalis
16-09-2006, 16:15
Ok good news on the docsis3 if anything I hope that pushes BT into action in investing in local loop something thats badly needed.
Question for stu etc. is this technically possible on the current docsis used? If no I cant see this before 2008
Question for stu etc. is this technically possible on the current docsis used? If no I cant see this before 2008
Not unless a bunch of lecturers years ago told me porkies ;) and tbh I don't see this idea of sticking modems in cabs being rolled out either but as Monkey2468 mentions its not unusual for us to be caught out as well these days :(
internetguy
16-09-2006, 21:54
OMG if I had a home internet connection at 50Mbps and an ok upspeed that is unlimited it would terrify me lol :erm:
I don't want to download more, faster.
I actually want a pc that renders that fast.:D
I don't want to download that fast really, unless it was a free upgrade ;)
I do want them to increase the upload greatly though!
If this does come out, I bet their will be a thread full of people with
"i am only getting 30mb of my 50mb connection :roll:
I am on 10mb and I normally get about 7-9mb perhaps lower, I am happy with what I get so long as it stays about 2mb.
I think people give NTL a hard time, I understand they are not exactly the best, but I have had a hard time to find another connection for the same money which gives as much as I have got with NTL.
As for Incog I know what you mean with Rendering drives me nuts at times...
As per my name ;)
http://www.newvideobusiness.com/content/view/68/26/
I believe that the relevant kit is being installed at the moment.
No way you can run 50M down the existing stuff, just not going to happen.
Remember last year Telewest saying that they would be offering this before the end of 2006?On that site there's a news article that says there is a new HDTV encoder that can do this:
"claiming sub-6Mbps for best-quality HDTV sports pictures and as little as 3-3.5Mbps for less demanding content."
If we can eventually download HDTV at under 6MB, who needs 100MB? 25MB would do me just fine. HDTV on multiple tvs becomes a reality (just need to afford the tvs) and plenty still left for the internet.
FusionXN1
17-09-2006, 10:22
I ran the same test as you now and:
Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:21:12 GMT
1st 512K took 379 ms = 1350.9 KB/sec, approx 11131 Kbps, 10.87 Mbps
2nd 512K took 456 ms = 1122.8 KB/sec, approx 9252 Kbps, 9.04 Mbps
3rd 512K took 420 ms = 1219 KB/sec, approx 10045 Kbps, 9.81 Mbps
4th 512K took 542 ms = 944.6 KB/sec, approx 7784 Kbps, 7.6 Mbps
Overall Average Speed = approx 9553 Kbps, 9.33 Mbps
Must be good area im in :)
We struggle to get 10meg never mind 50 meg, NTL will have to do alot of work to get their network up to 50meg standard.
WRONG
u struggle to get 10 meg, i have no problems.
u guys seem to forget it is UPTO 10 meg so stop moaning about bloody speeds
slowcoach
17-09-2006, 14:33
For an extra 4 Pounds a week, I would have to take the 50 Meg :D
And don't forget, initially at least, many 50 Meg customers will have the new "modem in a Cab" all to themselves.
What was it Branson said, "You ain't seen nothing yet" ;)
No doubt if it come out and let us all face it we are talking a huge IF.
I would first off what to know if their was some stupid cap to be enforced, and also what the upload would be.
Knowing NTL's policy of which has it's reasons it would likely be about 1mb :rofl:
will 50 meg even function wit only 1 meg upload ?
i wi be reasonably happy with 10 meg [faster be nicer] with 1.5 / 2 meg upload
AntiSilence
17-09-2006, 15:35
I would rather they increased outgoing bandwidth first.
Chrysalis
17-09-2006, 18:26
For an extra 4 Pounds a week, I would have to take the 50 Meg :D
And don't forget, initially at least, many 50 Meg customers will have the new "modem in a Cab" all to themselves.
What was it Branson said, "You ain't seen nothing yet" ;)
Right mr king of believe spin, you read the reply from the guy here who actually works in the network field for ntl, I would take that more serious then what someone heard in tech support. Still no investment yet spilling into regional areas which would be needed to get 50mbit rolling.
will 50 meg even function wit only 1 meg upload ?
i wi be reasonably happy with 10 meg [faster be nicer] with 1.5 / 2 meg upload
Sadly Mr 1TB/month that isn't going to happen so you'll have to wait until the next set of packages become available.
If you're in one of the trial areas have you noticed the traffic shaping yet? ;)
---------- Post added at 21:26 ---------- Previous post was at 21:23 ----------
WRONG
u struggle to get 10 meg, i have no problems.
u guys seem to forget it is UPTO 10 meg so stop moaning about bloody speeds
Good for you although going by your previous behaviour on here and adslguide I think you'd whinge like a maniac if you couldn't get 10M ;) The network is rammo in some areas with the existing packages and your evading the fact you got downgraded to 512k for abuse and managed to blag your way back to 10Mbit doesn't change that. ;)
Yes, i saw on ntlhell too, you said something about you download like 800GB per month or something, that is a hell of a lot, thats prob the reason why people like me who are light users (10-20GB per month) get **** speeds of 0.15Mbps
i pay for a unlimited service therefore i will download everything i wish, have a problem moan at ntl and say there unlimited internet sucks ass, ok? and 1tb month wud be peak i do not do that month after month :/ if u are a light user, well, tough not my fault u are not useing ur connextion to its full potential, and plus i do also have 5 pc's and a xbox 360 on the lan...
i pay for a unlimited service therefore i will download everything i wish, have a problem moan at ntl and say there unlimited internet sucks ass, ok? and 1tb month wud be peak i do not do that month after month :/ if u are a light user, well, tough not my fault u are not useing ur connextion to its full potential, and plus i do also have 5 pc's and a xbox 360 on the lan...
Just because you pay your car tax doesn't mean you own the bloody road.
i pay for a unlimited service therefore i will download everything i wish, have a problem moan at ntl and say there unlimited internet sucks ass, ok? and 1tb month wud be peak i do not do that month after month :/ if u are a light user, well, tough not my fault u are not useing ur connextion to its full potential, and plus i do also have 5 pc's and a xbox 360 on the lan...
Now i see why you have a red pip.
I use my connection heavily, But i would find it very very hard to make use of 800gig unless i was making a living from it at the local computer fair and pub ?. which btw i am not.
i pay for a unlimited service therefore i will download everything i wish, have a problem moan at ntl and say there unlimited internet sucks ass, ok? and 1tb month wud be peak i do not do that month after month :/ if u are a light user, well, tough not my fault u are not useing ur connextion to its full potential, and plus i do also have 5 pc's and a xbox 360 on the lan...
Actually, you pay for an unlimited service subject to the terms and conditions of that service. So, not unlimited in the true sense at all. In fact, a truly unlimited service is impossible, as it would have no speed limits either.
As for what I expect NTL to do? I expect them to provide me with the service they advertise. If that means kicking off heavy users, then I won't worry too much.
BTW, do me a favour: Please learn to spell.
What is the actual point of having a 50mb connection? To load up web pages quicker? Stream media at a smoother rate? Play online games without lag? etc etc. Who are they aiming 50mb (can be said for 10mb as well)connections at, the 'light users'? For anyone to pay that amount for a connection like that is aimed solely at heavy downloaders, so the 'light' brigade ain't going to be too happy about that when their 2mb is slowed to a crawl or something like that, who's fault is it, no one apart from NTLs.
But downloading 800gig or 1tb is plain crazy, if that was for personal use then you'd never get time to watch/play/etc a fraction of what you download. Is it possible to find that amount that's worth downloading??
TBH, there is no real point in increasing the download speeds (IMO). The only real (legal) justification is movie and TV show downloads. Seeing as Streaming the media, while a nice idea, seems to be considered only practical for some programs, and the broadcast companies seem to be looking at P2P and Bittorrent based systems to reduce their bandwidth costs, I personally think an upload speed upgrade would be better.
If you go to Europe the internet speed is much, much faster than in the Uk and also cheaper. They manage things ok so why can't we?
If you go to Europe the internet speed is much, much faster than in the Uk and also cheaper. They manage things ok so why can't we?
Want to back that up with some evidence, And that means more than 1 company.
Most of Europe uses DSL and suffers from the same old distance problem as here in the UK. Therefor a company might have a high speed option but its only for those with a tent in the back yard of the exchange :)
If you go to Europe the internet speed is much, much faster than in the Uk and also cheaper. They manage things ok so why can't we?
If you are thinking of Sweden (and, IIRC, Sweden is the only country that has ultra fast internet access - the rest are just the same as us), then AFAIK, the infrastructure for fast internet access was largely financed by their government.
TBH, I can't imagine our Tory lite(tm) government doing that.
As per my name ;)
http://www.newvideobusiness.com/content/view/68/26/
I believe that the relevant kit is being installed at the moment.
No way you can run 50M down the existing stuff, just not going to happen.
Remember last year Telewest saying that they would be offering this before the end of 2006?
Hi James! :)
Chrysalis
18-09-2006, 13:42
Want to back that up with some evidence, And that means more than 1 company.
Most of Europe uses DSL and suffers from the same old distance problem as here in the UK. Therefor a company might have a high speed option but its only for those with a tent in the back yard of the exchange :)
Thats true but they have FTTC rolled out there with mini dslams :) something BT wont do.
Thats true but they have FTTC rolled out there with mini dslams :) something BT wont do.
How many countries have that ?.
i pay for a unlimited service therefore i will download everything i wish, have a problem moan at ntl and say there unlimited internet sucks ass, ok? and 1tb month wud be peak i do not do that month after month :/ if u are a light user, well, tough not my fault u are not useing ur connextion to its full potential, and plus i do also have 5 pc's and a xbox 360 on the lan...
They don't think people would download 1tb per month, its not NTLs problem, its yours, damn what the heck do you download? you must download illegal movies and games, as well as legal content.
When ntl had the 30GB limit per month i used to be worried if i went to like 31GB or something, damn you are one crazy mofo :Yikes:
i pay for a unlimited service therefore i will download everything i wish, have a problem moan at ntl and say there unlimited internet sucks ass, ok? and 1tb month wud be peak i do not do that month after month :/ if u are a light user, well, tough not my fault u are not useing ur connextion to its full potential, and plus i do also have 5 pc's and a xbox 360 on the lan...
They don't think people would download 1tb per month, its not NTLs problem, its yours, damn what the heck do you download? you must download illegal movies and games, as well as legal content.
When ntl had the 30GB limit per month i used to be worried if i went to like 31GB or something, damn you are one crazy mofo :Yikes:
Good post
:LOL:
Waits for the spineless i download linux iso's lie.
Me i download Dvds and Mp3's and anything else i can get my hands on.
There you go i have a spine.
I don't think he's telling the truth to be honest, you can't find 200gig worth of whatever per month that's worth filling a hard drive let alone 1tb or 800gig, that's more than most people would do in a year or Two. But a 50mb package would be aimed at people like that. Figures.
I agree with 10mb I am lucky even if I am leechng some updates for games or mixes of a DJ friend of mine to top 60gb per month.
Some people who complain MUST be downloading non stop flat out 24hours a day 7 days a week to hit such an amount.
I don't think he's telling the truth to be honest, you can't find 200gig worth of whatever per month that's worth filling a hard drive let alone 1tb or 800gig, that's more than most people would do in a year or Two. But a 50mb package would be aimed at people like that. Figures.
Well, xbox games are about 7GB on torrent sites & DVD-R movies are almost 5GB and lets say he downloads 5 of those DVD-R per day and 5 xbox games plus a load of software and other things that add to your bandwidth, plus on private torrent sites you have to upload what you download, so double the 5 xbox games to 10 and movies to 10 as well, i'm sure his total would reach something around that.
i don't think anyone could reach 1TB while downloading that linux BS. :td:
It just gets me angry that i don't abuse my connection and i get a **** service but people who abuse their line get perfect service.
Some people who complain MUST be downloading non stop flat out 24hours a day 7 days a week to hit such an amount.
haha, thats exactly what ntl: said in those abuse letters which put people onto 512K.
My Terayon never gets above 5.5Mb. so I've got no chance of gettong 50Mb
Well with my Ambit modem I used to use the USB feature, and I noticed I was getting about 4.5mb most of the time through it, changed it to Ethernet and didn't use the installer cd and I normally hit about 7mb peak and 10mb off peak :)
I am suited and my download limit per month is not very high compared to some who use p2p on a daily basis.
dcclanuk
18-09-2006, 19:05
this question is slightly off topic, but relevant to the user downloading 800GB [allegedly].
I make sure i dont download/upload more than 2GB a day, only reaching about 2.2GB max....
my max up/down total in 1 month ever has been about 24GB i think...
having said that, how much would be the max:
1. upload
2. download
3. upload/download total
that could be done in a day without taking the p*ss...?:o:
That's just it, no one really knows, you have an acceptable user agreement thing but what does it mean? Where does it say in black and white what the limits are? It states unlimited downloads, so people are doing just that. So who really is in the wrong?
I remember ntl: saying something about no more then 500GB per month, but i can't remember where :/
By customer services on the phone when i asked a couple weeks ago about my ****ty connection
3,240,000Mb is the most u cud dl a month on 10mbit i think mite b rong :)
i did 1.25 x 60 x 60 x 24 x 30 so do hit 1TB you would have to be on full speed for about 10 days but tbh if ur doing 1tb a month unless u dlete everything each month or have about 20x1tb hdds i dont rly see what your gonna do with it... and unless your paying a hell of a lot for VOD how could all of that be legal?
Thats what i was saying, it must be illegal movie/game/music downloads
3,240,000Mb is the most u cud dl a month on 10mbit i think mite b rong :)
i did 1.25 x 60 x 60 x 24 x 30 so do hit 1TB you would have to be on full speed for about 10 days but tbh if ur doing 1tb a month unless u dlete everything each month or have about 20x1tb hdds i dont rly see what your gonna do with it... and unless your paying a hell of a lot for VOD how could all of that be legal?
That's correct.
3,240,000Mb is the most u cud dl a month on 10mbit i think mite b rong :)
i did 1.25 x 60 x 60 x 24 x 30 so do hit 1TB you would have to be on full speed for about 10 days but tbh if ur doing 1tb a month unless u dlete everything each month or have about 20x1tb hdds i dont rly see what your gonna do with it... and unless your paying a hell of a lot for VOD how could all of that be legal?
What i don't understand is why would someone wanna download that much even if they were able to and if you did to that much, that must be all you do, all day every day!? :Yikes: hahaha :disturbd:
Chrysalis
18-09-2006, 22:57
How many countries have that ?.
I can think of a few but I am not talking complete rollout.
holland not started yet but have plans
france
germany
belgium
sweden
usa seem to skip fttc and are starting ftth instead.
It's a bit late isn't it, I remember reading about 50mb and 100mb some time ago on another forum, only it was said that 50mb will be with us half way through this year and then 100mb by december or within the first quarter of 2007.
I remember paying £57pm to nildram/jolt for half a meg adsl some years back. I won't be paying them kind of prices again. 10mb @ £13.99pm will do me for now ;)
3,240,000Mb is the most u cud dl a month on 10mbit i think mite b rong :)
i did 1.25 x 60 x 60 x 24 x 30 so do hit 1TB you would have to be on full speed for about 10 days but tbh if ur doing 1tb a month unless u dlete everything each month or have about 20x1tb hdds i dont rly see what your gonna do with it... and unless your paying a hell of a lot for VOD how could all of that be legal?
I don't want to be petty but that does not show the average month accurately enough. The first bit was pretty ok...
1.25 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 365 / 12 = 3,285,000 (3.21TB)
On a leap year.
1.25 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 366 / 12 = 3,294,000 (3.22TB)
Also if anyone wanted to know what one day was it's 108,000MB or 105.5GB
it appears that so far most readers have taken the ntl: 50Mbps Broadband - December 1st 2006 (RUMOUR) in isolation without thinking about the commercial options that then open up for the content providers with the assumed 20Mbit + options etc.
for instance (perhaps the tech guys/girls can clarify on the No.s) your average DVB mpeg2 ts stream is around 1.2 megabyte per hour per tv channel, with an average 4 or 5 channels inside the whole ts stream mux, that is assuming an average of 2 or 3 mbit per second for each channel add in all the current NTL:tw Muxs over 24 hours becomes a very large No.
if you assume that video and indeed AVC/H.264 encoded content is the near future killer app for NTL:tw then that download rate with its 20/1 ratio for the upload rates to compliment it dont seem that great an expectation after all for the longer term does it?.
i still beleave that NTL:tw should finally re-enable Multicasting all the way to the end users machines so they too, could make use of the coming video inovation and so help drive the demand for all concerned rather than rely on the US utube and its like.
Chrysalis
19-09-2006, 12:28
I don't think he's telling the truth to be honest, you can't find 200gig worth of whatever per month that's worth filling a hard drive let alone 1tb or 800gig, that's more than most people would do in a year or Two. But a 50mb package would be aimed at people like that. Figures.
the content is there but no sane person could download and use it all for personal use so I have my own thoery what he is doing with the data.
maybe feeding it to a small herd of llamas?
i used to max out my connection when i was on 300k and hit about 85GB a month i think the max was about 100GB i could probably donwload 800GB of data if i had 10mb but doing it month after month is there tht much stuff on the internet to download ? :P
Chrysalis
19-09-2006, 23:43
yes there is, probably a dozen or more new dvd available each day that alone is 60 gig a day, about 20-30 tv series each day, there is games apps etc. as well. However most of it is not worth downloading for most people.
lostandconfused
20-09-2006, 00:17
probably a stupid question but wouldnt that mean sitting on front of the computer all day looking for stuff to download?
surely you could think of something more constructive to do with the day
probably a stupid question but wouldnt that mean sitting on front of the computer all day looking for stuff to download?
surely you could think of something more constructive to do with the day
You just hit the proverbial nail right on the head there.
probably a stupid question but wouldnt that mean sitting on front of the computer all day looking for stuff to download?
surely you could think of something more constructive to do with the day
No they can setup a rss reader to check the rss feeds from each of the bit torrent sites, There are also rss readers for sites such as newzbin.org. So it can be automated. I class myself as a heavy user but not THAT heavy :Yikes:. OMG 800 gig you have to be a trader to use that much. Sorry if that hits a raw nerve but that's the only way a residential user would hit 800 gig a month.
probably a stupid question but wouldnt that mean sitting on front of the computer all day looking for stuff to download?
surely you could think of something more constructive to do with the day
There are people who sit infront of the computer all day, i know someone who is on every day about 20 hours per day, its really sad :Yikes:
cybernetic_tiger
20-09-2006, 20:19
There are people who sit infront of the computer all day, i know someone who is on every day about 20 hours per day, its really sad :Yikes:
Wow that's going some, I guess I get in about 13 hours a day but 8 of those are at work where I have 3 PC's (I think I should get extra points!!!) :D
AntiSilence
20-09-2006, 20:24
There are people who sit infront of the computer all day, i know someone who is on every day about 20 hours per day, its really sad :Yikes:
That little thing called WORK gets in the way of doing that!
That person doesn't work either, they are lucky, but they are about 40 years old, i have uni, work and going out.
I like to use these during the week in the evenings!
That person doesn't work either, they are lucky, but they are about 40 years old, i have uni, work and going out.
I like to use these during the week in the evenings!
Erm whats wrong with being 40? We get to do all that stuff too..... work, going out, having fun etc etc. You make us sound like pensioners.... :Yikes:
That person doesn't work either, they are lucky, but they are about 40 years old, i have uni, work and going out.
I like to use these during the week in the evenings!
:LOL: OMG i am over the hill :LOL:
:LOL: OMG i am over the hill :LOL:
Lets get our bus pass, walking stick and bed pans Bill!!!! :p:
hahaha you guys! nothing wrong with being 40!
all im sayin is they have never worked in their life, they are 40 years old thats all, no offence to you Snoop, sorry :P
hahaha you guys! nothing wrong with being 40!
all im sayin is they have never worked in their life, they are 40 years old thats all, no offence to you Snoop, sorry :P
:D:tu:
lostandconfused
21-09-2006, 02:21
the point i was trying to get at was, unless its being used for business purposes and therefor should probably be paying for a business connection. why would anyone want to download that much info per month?
regardless of age, anyone that has that much time on their hands should really consider getting a hobby
kibblerok
21-09-2006, 10:16
anyone that has that much time on their hands should really consider getting a hobby
They have....... testing linux distros and downloading security updates :disturbd:
They have....... testing linux distros and downloading security updates :disturbd:
hahaha lmao! :D
Damn found that too funny...
Anyway, does anyone have some updates at all?
Aye, must admit I believe NTL may roll out a 20mb over a 50mb I heard on the grapevine BT I believe is testing a 20mb broadband so I doubt NTL will want to be stood up by them.
So expect more people complaining they are only getting 1mb per second speeds.
Sometimes people don't know what they have got, I say those who complain should be forced to endure three weeks on dial up.
Aye, must admit I believe NTL may roll out a 20mb over a 50mb I heard on the grapevine BT I believe is testing a 20mb broadband so I doubt NTL will want to be stood up by them.
So expect more people complaining they are only getting 1mb per second speeds.
Sometimes people don't know what they have got, I say those who complain should be forced to endure three weeks on dial up.
1mbps IS the new dial-up...
I used to be on dial up and it was fine, because i was paying for 56K and got 56K.
I'm paying for 10Mb and getting below 1Mb which is why i complain :S
Below 10mb I would complain I agree it is more when users complain of speeds around 5mb?
I am suited as long as it is above 4mb speed.
matty125
30-09-2006, 14:34
id like a higher braudband speed but the prices are a rip off
id like a higher braudband speed but the prices are a rip off
I think the pricing is pretty fair, if you get what it says on the tin. I wouldn't pay anymore than £34.99 though.
matty125
30-09-2006, 15:12
they are still rip offs though lol
id like a higher braudband speed but the prices are a rip off
£35 for 10mb with 512k upload and no cap.
Result!
they are still rip offs though lol
You sound like you expect it for £2.99 ;)
matty125
30-09-2006, 15:21
they should hav them under a 20 pound fee lol
1mb is £17.99 though and thats now 2mb correct? :shrug:
lostandconfused
30-09-2006, 16:51
indeed, there are 3 different tiers and you decide which best suits your needs but just like everything in life, if you want more then you have to pay more
According to this thread, people on Telewest's 10Mb package are getting speeds of 20Mbps and an increased upload speed too: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/showthread.php?p=34127273
As per the Telewest & ntl threads regarding being upgraded to 20Mbps in SOME areas - i guess this may be 20Mbps from 1st December? Maybe?
EDIT:
Sorry guys, didn't know i already made a ost about this above!
You know it's funny that the other night i was downloading a dvd film (oops illegal) when all of a sudden, instead of the usual 40 mins it was don e in less than 13 mins and that's for a 4.5 gig movie.
I'm NTL 10mb connection:D
You know it's funny that the other night i was downloading a dvd film (oops illegal) when all of a sudden, instead of the usual 40 mins it was don e in less than 13 mins and that's for a 4.5 gig movie.
I'm NTL 10mb connection:D
You must be one of the lucky ones upgraded to the new 20Mbps speeds :tu:
You must be one of the lucky ones upgraded to the new 20Mbps speeds :tu:
What do you mean upgraded? i thought it might have been a huge spike but what's this about an upgrade?
What do you mean upgraded? i thought it might have been a huge spike but what's this about an upgrade?
I believe selected users have been upgraded to 20mbit and it's just a trial at the moment. It will probably go down again.
I believe selected users have been upgraded to 20mbit and it's just a trial at the moment. It will probably go down again.
Oh
I must have had it the other day then.:( and must be that reason why the ntl connection seems to be grinding to a halt on saome web sites.
What do you mean upgraded? i thought it might have been a huge spike but what's this about an upgrade?
ntl & Telewest have upgraded many people to 20Mbps service who were on the 10Mbps for a trial to see how the network will cope with these new speeds.
To double check you have these speeds do this:
1) Go to: http://192.168.100.1 > Click Login password and username as usually "root"
2) On the side you'll see "Operation Config" click that and post the information it says.
Should be something like this:
Network Access : Allowed
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 10240000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 512000
Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 1600
Maximum Number of CPEs : 1
Modem Capability : Concatenation Enabled, Fragametation Enabled, PHS Disabled
opelfruitcase
10-10-2006, 20:42
Oh
I must have had it the other day then.:( and must be that reason why the ntl connection seems to be grinding to a halt on saome web sites.
What part of the country are you to? I believe it's mainly Swansea who have trials at present but there maybe other snippets of the country involved to. Oh yeah, spoke to one of the guys in Swansea tech support today, not even they know about the trial.
etccarmageddon
10-10-2006, 22:44
exciting stuff all this trialling of 20meg and rumours of a 50meg product. cool.
opelfruitcase
10-10-2006, 23:04
exciting stuff all this trialling of 20meg and rumours of a 50meg product. cool.
Definitely - especially if your living in one of those trial areas ;)
Definitely - especially if your living in one of those trial areas ;)
i kind of sense a bit of bragging ;)
i just wish they would trial the service around here :p:
lostandconfused
10-10-2006, 23:12
i hope they keep the trial going until its lauched though, would be nice to stay at the speed im at now
opelfruitcase
10-10-2006, 23:18
i hope they keep the trial going until its lauched though, would be nice to stay at the speed im at now
It certainly would - I wasted my weekend attempting to download Fedora with a multitude of issues resulting in me downloading masses of stuff - the 20Mb connection definitely made things a little moe bearable.
Sorry i didn't respond sooner as i'm having problems with my cable tv.
i'm in the glasgow area and it happened again during the 12am-1am time frame, was downloading smallvile and then the speed shot up and then it slowed down to about 700.
opelfruitcase
11-10-2006, 12:28
i kind of sense a bit of bragging ;)
What! Moir? Brag? I'd never dream of doing such a thing! ;)
BTW, I'm bored sensless as all IT/telephony systems are down in work due to a lightning strike last night, anyone suggest any good games to play?
What! Moir? Brag? I'd never dream of doing such a thing! ;)
BTW, I'm bored sensless as all IT/telephony systems are down in work due to a lightning strike last night, anyone suggest any good games to play?
Google for "Line Rider"
opelfruitcase
11-10-2006, 20:33
Google for "Line Rider"
All IT systems - ie no domain controller, proxy, etc!
Anyway, thats seems like a good game - something to add to my bookmarks next time I'm in work...
fireman328
11-10-2006, 22:11
I'd not pay anything over £35 for internet, so looks like i'd not be getting this.
I would just like an upgrade to 2 meg and an EPG which works, 2 engineers have both said that the EPG will be corrected in "a few weeks" CS promised me a Samsung as my PACE box was not up to it, engineers have said will be corrected in "a few weeks" etc, etc, etc
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What part of the country are you to? I believe it's mainly Swansea who have trials at present but there maybe other snippets of the country involved to. Oh yeah, spoke to one of the guys in Swansea tech support today, not even they know about the trial.
In my experience, if the staff dont know about it, then the information is really true.
So is there ANY offical news yet on this other than trials?
opelfruitcase
11-10-2006, 23:09
So is there ANY offical news yet on this other than trials?
No, and I doubt there will be for a short while yet - I would hazard a guess of around December time, however this is pure speculation and I have no insider info that brought me to that judgement.
...and of course that's if its going to be an upgrade for the 10Mb service - it could be that they may go and lauch a new, top-tier service.
arcamalpha2004
11-10-2006, 23:42
ntl: 50Mbps Broadband - December 1st 2006 (RUMOUR)
I've posted this as a RUMOUR because no one is 100% sure till a press release is put on ntlworld, even if one of the big boys in ntl say so.
SO, i got told by a friend who is a broadband tech that ntl will offer:
- Up To 50Mbps Broadband
- From 1st December 2006
- £54.99 per month
Do you think any of this is true, i also saw something simular to this on ntl hell website.
Start discussing :) :Yikes:
If its anything like vod the competition will be onto the idea before NTL.;)
opelfruitcase
12-10-2006, 00:34
If its anything like vod the competition will be onto the idea before NTL.;)
What competition has tried responding to vod? Sky has the nearest competitor but is hardly worthy of any title that even sniffs of vod.
And of course, with the competition struggling to get 8M/bit connections to the major population areas at present, let alone 16Mb, I don't think the 20Mb service will have any competition for a good while to come yet (I'm saying 20Mb, as the 50Mb is pretty much a red herring - DOCSIS 2 is capable of up to about 38M/bits and DOCSIS 3 (not to sure of its max limit) is still pretty new and also, DOCSIS 3 equipment is still expensive at the present time.
What competition has tried responding to vod? Sky has the nearest competitor but is hardly worthy of any title that even sniffs of vod.
And of course, with the competition struggling to get 8M/bit connections to the major population areas at present, let alone 16Mb, I don't think the 20Mb service will have any competition for a good while to come yet (I'm saying 20Mb, as the 50Mb is pretty much a red herring - DOCSIS 2 is capable of up to about 38M/bits and DOCSIS 3 (not to sure of its max limit) is still pretty new and also, DOCSIS 3 equipment is still expensive at the present time.
Docsis 3, 160 Mbps down 120 Mbps up
Well 20mb would be nice but I am happy on my 10mb...would just like 1mb uplaod to be honest.
What competition has tried responding to vod? Sky has the nearest competitor but is hardly worthy of any title that even sniffs of vod.
And of course, with the competition struggling to get 8M/bit connections to the major population areas at present, let alone 16Mb, I don't think the 20Mb service will have any competition for a good while to come yet (I'm saying 20Mb, as the 50Mb is pretty much a red herring - DOCSIS 2 is capable of up to about 38M/bits and DOCSIS 3 (not to sure of its max limit) is still pretty new and also, DOCSIS 3 equipment is still expensive at the present time.
If we are going by your logic, then I might add EuroDOCSIS can deliver 52mbit/s per channel.
opelfruitcase
12-10-2006, 13:02
If we are going by your logic, then I might add EuroDOCSIS can deliver 52mbit/s per channel.
Whist I'm not over familiar with EuroDOCSIS, I can't see how thats relevant as it isn't in use on ntl:tw's network as far as I'm aware...
Well I just read this thread and it sprung to mind some discussion I had with a cable engineer.
As best as I recall Wales is limited by the amount of links via the severn connections only so many available? :dozey:
that being so how would they be able to go that far?:Yikes:
I do have 10mb but as you are probably aware its quoted as Up to ten meg depending on demand at any given time ie: I did two speed checks on several occassions and it appears mid am and mid pm (not totally acurate) the results were 5/6/7 where as i did two ten minutes ago and got 9.4 9.6meg.
Point being would we ever see 50meg??:erm: we will see!!
Whilst here is it a blag or are the connections to Wales limited by the amount of cables connecting us as I was shocked when 10meg came
opelfruitcase
12-10-2006, 14:15
Well I just read this thread and it sprung to mind some discussion I had with a cable engineer.
As best as I recall Wales is limited by the amount of links via the severn connections only so many available? :dozey:
that being so how would they be able to go that far?:Yikes:
I do have 10mb but as you are probably aware its quoted as Up to ten meg depending on demand at any given time ie: I did two speed checks on several occassions and it appears mid am and mid pm (not totally acurate) the results were 5/6/7 where as i did two ten minutes ago and got 9.4 9.6meg.
Point being would we ever see 50meg??:erm: we will see!!
Whilst here is it a blag or are the connections to Wales limited by the amount of cables connecting us as I was shocked when 10meg came
I wouldn't have thought it would be anything to do with that - don't forget Wales isn't completely seperated from England by sea. I can't find a map of ntl's network backbone at present to confirm, but given that my traffic hops to linx are normally routed through either Birmingham or Winnersh, its likely that some, but not all South Wales traffic will go via any Severn link there may or may not be.
Whist I'm not over familiar with EuroDOCSIS, I can't see how thats relevant as it isn't in use on ntl:tw's network as far as I'm aware...
EuroDocsis is used on the Bromley platform.
opelfruitcase
12-10-2006, 14:42
EuroDocsis is used on the Bromley platform.
Thanks Bill, wasn't aware of that being on Langley myself and only dealing with Langley customers in work. :tu:
Well I did originally assume that routes around that direction would be the norm but did not like to assume the guy was baffling the bull as we know some do. I found it a bit far fetched when the larger speeds came thru.
thanks for setting record straight, Could I use 50meg?? Dunno:confused:
opelfruitcase
12-10-2006, 15:12
Well I did originally assume that routes around that direction would be the norm but did not like to assume the guy was baffling the bull as we know some do. I found it a bit far fetched when the larger speeds came thru.
thanks for setting record straight, Could I use 50meg?? Dunno:confused:
Network capacity-wise is a maybe, maybe not (and if not chances are will be in the future). Main issue at present is, as mentioned previously that the current specification ntl use for their broadband service (DOCSIS2) will max out at around 38Mbit, so while 50Mbit not possible yet it almost certainly will be sometime in the future. (When I first signed up to broadband nearly 7 years ago, I'd never have imagined having a 10/20Mbit connection!).
It wasn't long ago ntl were testing some Arris bonding solution, who knows what with such a solution speeds ntl could deploy.
opelfruitcase
12-10-2006, 16:43
Yeah I'm guessing (looking at their website) it could either be just the bonding solution or it may indeed be that they have already started trialling DOCSIS3. Looking at the Arris website (http://www.arrisi.com/):
Leading the cable industry to ultra high bandwidth for IP applications
*FlexPath™ Packet Channel Bonding in trials world wide
*Easy and cost-effective migration to DOCSIS® 3.0 and M-CMTS-based solutions
*Next generation video transport for DOCSIS networks
It's "coming soon"!! :p:
Sounds a bit like NTL "Award Winning Broadband" Coming Sometime !!!!!
dragondottie
13-10-2006, 15:40
I'm very new to this site..........and I just have one wish.......that NTL would get my 1mb to work.......so the fact that 50 is being discussed amazes me
IMO it all BS.
I've never got above 5.5MB and I pay for 10MB,
Ive been told by CS (India) that my Terayon support 10MB when it doesn't
lostandconfused
13-10-2006, 16:49
my connection seems to be very variable sometimes its up to 9 other times its down to 4, im hoping that if the speeds are upgraded then it will take the average higher
recently with the trails going on in my area i was getting between 8 and 17mb id be happy with that, not that i can complain really with what ive got now
Yeah I'm guessing (looking at their website) it could either be just the bonding solution or it may indeed be that they have already started trialling DOCSIS3. Looking at the Arris website (http://www.arrisi.com/):It's the same thing! To achieve DOCSIS3 you need to bond the channels. This technology has been around for some time and ntl has been trialling it for at least a few years. DOCSIS3 is just a standard agreed by several technology companies on how to do the bonding. Now the "standard" has been approved, companies can roll out products using the DOCSIS3 standard.
What we don't know on here and would dearly love to know, is the results of the trials ntl have been doing with the channel bonding.
We also don't know how it will be deployed or when. Will customers be given a DOCSIS3 modem? That's expensive. Will the modems instead be deployed in each street cabinet. Perhaps, but again costly. How will the modems (wheverever they are placed) be connected to customers homes? Via telephone wires (v. unlikely), coaxial or ethernet.
Once customers then have these super new speeds how will they access this around the house. Ethernet? The best solution, but how many people have ethernet cables strewn all round the house or want to? Wirelessly? Posssible, if the technology can cope and get round thick brick walls. Over the power cables? My favourite and the one I think will go ahead.
There's competing data-over-powerline technologies at the moment like Homeplugs, but sooner or later these will come together. As a pointer to how it may go in the future here, look at the States. The DISH network is deloying new stbs with Homeplug technology built in, so viewers can watch a programme off one stb which is located in a diffrent room to where they are actually watching tv. All goes over the power lines. This is the technology (I think) that will get the "stuff" from people's PCs to their tvs. So in the future, you might download a film using your ntl 50/100mb connection to your computer, then watch it on your tv streamed over your power lines. Or even easier, just download the film straight to your stb and start watching it before its even finished downloading...
IMO it all BS.
I've never got above 5.5MB and I pay for 10MB,
Ive been told by CS (India) that my Terayon support 10MB when it doesn't
Why don't you say you want to quit, and get put through to retentions. If you tell them the reason why i'm sure they will swap the modem to keep you as a customer. It's worth a try mate? :)
opelfruitcase
13-10-2006, 19:30
It's the same thing! To achieve DOCSIS3 you need to bond the channels. This technology has been around for some time and ntl has been trialling it for at least a few years. DOCSIS3 is just a standard agreed by several technology companies on how to do the bonding. Now the "standard" has been approved, companies can roll out products using the DOCSIS3 standard.
I thought there was other developments in DOCSIS3 over and above DOCSIS2 other than the channel bonding, hence why I mentioned it the way I did. Presumably then the only difference between DOCSIS2 and 3 is the channel bonding only?
What we don't know on here and would dearly love to know, is the results of the trials ntl have been doing with the channel bonding.
We also don't know how it will be deployed or when. Will customers be given a DOCSIS3 modem? That's expensive. Will the modems instead be deployed in each street cabinet. Perhaps, but again costly. How will the modems (wheverever they are placed) be connected to customers homes? Via telephone wires (v. unlikely), coaxial or ethernet.
I'm guessing its likely they will wait until prices drop before making a decision on this...
Once customers then have these super new speeds how will they access this around the house. Ethernet? The best solution, but how many people have ethernet cables strewn all round the house or want to? Wirelessly? Posssible, if the technology can cope and get round thick brick walls. Over the power cables? My favourite and the one I think will go ahead.
There's competing data-over-powerline technologies at the moment like Homeplugs, but sooner or later these will come together. As a pointer to how it may go in the future here, look at the States. The DISH network is deloying new stbs with Homeplug technology built in, so viewers can watch a programme off one stb which is located in a diffrent room to where they are actually watching tv. All goes over the power lines. This is the technology (I think) that will get the "stuff" from people's PCs to their tvs. So in the future, you might download a film using your ntl 50/100mb connection to your computer, then watch it on your tv streamed over your power lines. Or even easier, just download the film straight to your stb and start watching it before its even finished downloading...
Some very intreaguing statements there. I'd love to go down the powerline networking route myself, but we'll need to leave it develop a little further first. I'd personally never bother with a wireless connection myself unless I possibly had a laptop, as I'd much rather the reliability of cat5/6 cabling any day. As soon as we start hitting those kind of speeds for an internet connection, even taking into account developments, I'm wondering if a wireless connection would be suitable anyway? I'm guessing even with 108Mbit wireless, your probably not going to see those kind of speeds unless your going to wind a bit of wire around a radiator to boost the strength of the arial and get 100% signal strength at all times. ;)
I thought there was other developments in DOCSIS3 over and above DOCSIS2 other than the channel bonding, hence why I mentioned it the way I did. Presumably then the only difference between DOCSIS2 and 3 is the channel bonding only? My understanding is limited, I'm afraid, perhaps someone else can chip in here. But the main part (I think) of DOCSIS3 is the channel bonding, yes. Another part is the Internet Protocol Version 6 or IPv6. This allows a lot more IP addresses to be used. So in theory your IPod might have an IP address and even your fridge-freezer some day...Just think if your fridge is connected to your broadband network, it might be able to connect up to Tescos and tell them what food you need:) That's the idea anyway. But as silly as it all sounds, a lot of people are working on it.
I'm wondering if a wireless connection would be suitable anyway? I'm guessing even with 108Mbit wireless, your probably not going to see those kind of speeds unless your going to wind a bit of wire around a radiator to boost the strength of the arial and get 100% signal strength at all times. ;)
Or the WRT54GS... With DD-WRT boosted power output to 120... Running pretty much that here now and it's done wonders for the home network wirelessly. And, it hardly extends the range, just seems to increase the signal quality on things close by.
My understanding is limited, I'm afraid, perhaps someone else can chip in here. But the main part (I think) of DOCSIS3 is the channel bonding, yes. Another part is the Internet Protocol Version 6 or IPv6. This allows a lot more IP addresses to be used. So in theory your IPod might have an IP address and even your fridge-freezer some day...Just think if your fridge is connected to your broadband network, it might be able to connect up to Tescos and tell them what food you need:) That's the idea anyway. But as silly as it all sounds, a lot of people are working on it.
the biggest potential impact of DOCSIS3 although people dont get it yet is compulsory enabled Multicast (yeah at last it will travel all the way to the end user and back [unless ntl and their supplyers feck it up] 8) .
"4.4. IPv6 Multicast Support
DOCSIS 3.0 provides enhanced support for IP Multicast with the
addition of several new capabilities. The main features in-scope of
this document include support for Source Specific Multicast (SSM)
[ID-SSM-ARCH] (forwarding of SSM traffic for MLDv2) and IPv6
multicast transport (multicast traffic including Neighbor Discovery
(ND), Router Solicitation (RS), etc.).
DOCSIS 3.0 supports both the traditional form of IP Multicast, Any
Source Multicast (ASM) [RFC1112], as well as Source Specific
Multicast (SSM) which is particularly relevant for broadcast-type IP
multicast applications. MLDv2 for IPv6 [RFC3810] is required for
SSM.
The membership reports are passed transparently by the CM towards the
CMTS. The CMTS operates as an MLD querier, and as an IPv6 multicast
router for a routing CMTS or listener (snooping switch) for a
bridging CMTS. In IPv6 multicast, both the "Any Source Multicast"
(ASM) and the "Source Specific Multicast" models are supported.
Specific requirements exist on the CM and CMTS to properly handle
IPv6 multicast. For example, in order to successfully obtain its IP
address and register with the CMTS, the CM needs to receive certain
multicast packets such as those used for DHCPv6, router discovery and
duplicate address detection. Another example of IPv6 multicast
requirements is that a CMTS MUST forward downstream IPv6 multicast
traffic to CPE devices joined through MLDv2. Also, the CM must
forward IPv6 registration multicast traffic for CPEs behind the CM."
http://www.pacemicro.com/corporate/newsroom/pacenewsitem.asp?id=10473
"
September 8 2006
Pace and Bigband Networks demonstrate emerging DOCSIS(r) 3.0 for increased broadband speeds
IBC 2006, Amsterdam, Stand 1.221, 8 September 2006: Pace Micro Technology plc (LSE:PIC), the leading independent developer of digital TV technologies for the global payTV industry, and BigBand Networks, Inc., a leading provider of broadband multimedia infrastructure for video, voice and data, are demonstrating their increasing broadband access speeds, based on newly released DOCSIS 3.0 specifications, at IBC2006.
A central tenet of DOCSIS 3.0 is channel bonding, which enables multiple downstream and upstream channels to be used together at the same time by a single subscriber, thereby allowing them to improve the time required to download movies, or swap video files.
As a result, cable operators could offer a broader range of services and channels in addition to a richer user experience to consumers.
During IBC, Pace and BigBand Networks will be demonstrating the results of their collaborative efforts consistent with DOCSIS 3.0 specifications, which will show downstream rates in excess of 100Mbps for the delivery of broadband and video data.
The demonstration consists of the BigBand Cuda(r) CMTS (cable modem termination system) and a prototype Pace channel bonded DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem.
Andrew Isherwood, Chief Technologist at Pace Micro Technology commented: "Using an open standard, such as DOCSIS 3.0, is critical to interoperability between the various providers of both headend and CPE (consumer premises equipment). T
he investments that cable operators have made in DOCSIS 2.0 implementations will also be protected as the evolution to DOCSIS 3.0 utilises existing CPE, keeping costs low.
"Furthermore, DOCSIS 3.0 also incorporates support for the Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6), which greatly expands the number of Internet addresses that cable operators can use. This, in conjunction with the far greater broadband speeds (up to 160Mbps downstream and up to 120Mbps upstream), will enable more IP-based services to be offered to consumers."
"With broadband operators seeking to provide higher access speeds, interest in DOCSIS 3.0 functionality is stronger than ever," said John Connelly, BigBand Networks executive vice president of marketing and business development.
"With this IBC demonstration, Pace and BigBand Networks are showing that the technology is real, the standard is maturing and commercial products are emerging."
Pace and BigBand Networks have actively participated in the DOCSIS 3.0 working group, that developed the DOCSIS 3.0 specification, released in August.
Andrew Isherwood concluded; "BigBand Networks and Pace are two leading players in the development of DOCSIS 3.0 technology, so it was a natural step to work together to bring this demonstration to IBC."
The channel bonding collaboration by PACE and BigBand Networks is being demonstrated at the PACE stand, 1.221 at IBC 2006, in Amsterdam, September 8-12.
Ends"
but over 50 quid a month theres just no need
Oh believe me there is! ;) ;)
I would happily pay the price and get 50Meg :D
Im paying £35 now for 10meg, so 5x faster i shell out another £20!
You guys think this is expensive???
Bargain of the century if you ask me :D or am I just rich? :D
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Good post
:LOL:
Waits for the spineless i download linux iso's lie.
Me i download Dvds and Mp3's and anything else i can get my hands on.
There you go i have a spine.
Thats what I like about you Bill you dont dilly dally around :D
Yes we could all say we are downloading Linux Isos all day, but the truth of the matter is the majority of Broadband users *ARE* downloading Movies, PC Apps, PC Games, Console Games, Pr0n, Learnkey, CBT Nuggets & other IT Cert stuff.
Lets not pussyfoot around guys.
;)
Cant see 50Meg happening for a while, ill be happy with 20Meg! :D
50Meg speeds on Usenet (Giganews) would rock :D
Since there are trials for 20Mbps now - perhaps the rumour of 50Mbps from/by 1st December 2006 could be 20Mbps instead, but only time will tell...
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/showthread.php?p=34117765#post34117765)
but over 50 quid a month theres just no need
Oh believe me there is! ;) ;)
I would happily pay the price and get 50Meg :D
Im paying £35 now for 10meg, so 5x faster i shell out another £20!
You guys think this is expensive???
Bargain of the century if you ask me :D or am I just rich? :D
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the price was never the worry or in question it was how often would it get used it would sit un used whilst im at work a good 50hrs a week it was justifiying that family time comes into that. Paying for a 24/7 service i may only use 20-30 hrs a week if that.
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u can just read it dunno wot happened there????
No way i'd pay that for 50mbit.
Looking back, I used to pay £57pm for 512Kbps :disturbd: (early days @ nildram)
It would be nice to have 20mb as a free upgrade and if people want to pay extra for the jump to 50mb then let them.
lostandconfused
15-10-2006, 14:16
IMPO i think £40 is the cap that any broadband company would charge for a service to the general public, they may offer higher speeds but i dont think many people would pay around the same price for an internet connection as a top tier TV pack
but ofcourse thats just my opinion
Sherlock614
15-10-2006, 15:40
Given also that some people (including myself) are seeing 1mb speeds on 10mb at the mo, what would it be like on 50mb?
Would we be paying £50 a month for an "up to" service that only goes past 5mb when the wind blows in the right direction and the moon is full? :erm:
kibblerok
15-10-2006, 15:50
IMPO i think £40 is the cap that any broadband company would charge for a service to the general public, they may offer higher speeds but i dont think many people would pay around the same price for an internet connection as a top tier TV pack
but ofcourse thats just my opinion
I agree, thats probably why we won't see it soon.
ntl:tw will only go higher to give it a competitive edge. If people wont pay it would be foolish to give people free upgrades to 50mb for the highest tier when ADSL will still be where they are now considering major upgrades need to happen to achieve it.
Given also that some people (including myself) are seeing 1mb speeds on 10mb at the mo, what would it be like on 50mb?
Would we be paying £50 a month for an "up to" service that only goes past 5mb when the wind blows in the right direction and the moon is full? :erm:
You make a good point, and without rubbing anyones nose in it, im just glad the network in my area is very good and I get 10Mbps all the time.
I think I would be ok with 50meg performance here as the network is in good nick.
I do feel for you guys tho, that are getting 5meg or less on a 10meg line :(
etccarmageddon
15-10-2006, 22:38
I was paying around £80 a month in 1998 for my dial up on pay as you go 1p per min using a 56k modem!!!
Sherlock614
16-10-2006, 00:09
I too was paying 70 notes ish a month for 128k ISDN a few years back... :erm:
On the subject of 50mb, i wonder this...
Is there a specific lower threshhold where we could say that a connection is unnaceptable? We have the upper threshold (10mb, 4mb etc), but is there anything written in NTL's AUP that states what could be classed as unnaceptable?
I mean, calling a product "up to" (as most providers are doing now not just NTL), is a huge elastic band in terms of what they can actually supply.
If you pay for 50mb and get 1mb most of the time, how is this proved (apart from the obvious speed tests). And for that matter (as some peeps have already stated), are NTL within their rights to tell you that "it's an up to product sir" and get away with it? :(
IMPO i think £40 is the cap that any broadband company would charge for a service to the general public, they may offer higher speeds but i dont think many people would pay around the same price for an internet connection as a top tier TV pack
but ofcourse thats just my opinionBut what if you were legally allowed to download all the telly you wanted? Or mp3s, or films etc? ntl could easily charge more than £40 for faster brodband if you got something else with it, or as ntl say "value added"...
I was paying around £80 a month in 1998 for my dial up on pay as you go 1p per min using a 56k modem!!!
Me too, Albeit on a 28.8k modem. These nOObs don't know how good they have it :).
lostandconfused
16-10-2006, 02:56
but would you be willing to pay the same now for a higer broadband speed?
i cant really see the need of a 50mb connection unless you are a heavy download, i mainly use the net for webpages rarely do much downloading, obviously im not going to turn down a free upgrade, but am not too sure i would be willing to pay more for something i wouldnt get the full benefit of
Chrysalis
16-10-2006, 05:06
I too was paying 70 notes ish a month for 128k ISDN a few years back... :erm:
On the subject of 50mb, i wonder this...
Is there a specific lower threshhold where we could say that a connection is unnaceptable? We have the upper threshold (10mb, 4mb etc), but is there anything written in NTL's AUP that states what could be classed as unnaceptable?
I mean, calling a product "up to" (as most providers are doing now not just NTL), is a huge elastic band in terms of what they can actually supply.
If you pay for 50mb and get 1mb most of the time, how is this proved (apart from the obvious speed tests). And for that matter (as some peeps have already stated), are NTL within their rights to tell you that "it's an up to product sir" and get away with it? :(
Unlikely until either the media draws up enough fuss or people start realising that when the max speeds go up minimal speeds arent following. Until streaming and media downloading really takes off this probably wont be an issue.
IMO it all BS.
I've never got above 5.5MB and I pay for 10MB,
Ive been told by CS (India) that my Terayon support 10MB when it doesn't
If you do TCP/IP tweaks you should get over 8Mb in speedtests, but I agree you don't get more than 5 or 6 Mb in real downloads. I find 4Mbps much more reliable, but you probably want the upload rate? [same price via retention offers!]
There are lots of Terayon's failing at the moment due to their age and network upgrades - get an engineer out and he will swap it out on sight!
hardtarget
20-10-2006, 23:59
well i aint payin 55 quid for it
Nor am I, esp not if 20mb is being given to the current 10mb users, I rarely see my speeds below 8mb so I am more than suited.
sterritt
22-10-2006, 13:11
Why don't you say you want to quit, and get put through to retentions. If you tell them the reason why i'm sure they will swap the modem to keep you as a customer. It's worth a try mate? :)
thats what i did and with in 24 hours i had a new 250 modem and im always maxing out my 10meg connection :)
you learn how to handle companies like ntl after you work at bt broadband for 6 months :)
So that is approx 250kbps upload... That's crap go to sweden and you get a 10mb line for 25euro and their upload and download speed are the same.
The government subsidised the Swedish network IIRC.
arcamalpha2004
24-10-2006, 10:42
Get yourself to south korea! ;)
Did anyone see GMTV this morning?
Crystal clear television pictures to your mobile phone, but sorry fellas you cant phone women after 11 pm :erm:
And no I wouldnt pay £55 for something any company could not give me to full potential, that is rip off money imo
The government subsidised the Swedish network IIRC.
Dont think so, I can still download of swedish ftp's and it maxes my 10mb modem right out
Dont think so, I can still download of swedish ftp's and it maxes my 10mb modem right out
I don't really see how that has anything to do with Government subsidies.
monkey2468
24-10-2006, 19:06
I don't really see how that has anything to do with Government subsidies.
Unless the subsidies ran out!:D
the Netherlands surfnet is better though
http://www.surfnet.nl/info/en/network/home.jsp
So that is approx 250kbps upload... That's crap go to sweden and you get a 10mb line for 25euro and their upload and download speed are the same.
go to sweeden then, the government wont do **** for broadband here...
The only way i would pay for 50meg is if they sort out the crappy uploads they keep giving us.
It would be nice to have a fast enough upload to be able to host a game server or even some sort of voice comms server.
The only way i would pay for 50meg is if they sort out the crappy uploads they keep giving us.
It would be nice to have a fast enough upload to be able to host a game server or even some sort of voice comms server.
but voice/audio comms servers are so 90's, 'personal video servers' is were its at today, as can be seen with the explosion of youtube and the like, still useing old tech but getting there eventually (sometime soon i hope).
just anothr month from now and we will see if NTL has a christmas present for us , by the way if a new speed comes out and have to pay can i upgrade now or do i have to wait for my contract to finish in february to upgrade
just anothr month from now and we will see if NTL has a christmas present for us , by the way if a new speed comes out and have to pay can i upgrade now or do i have to wait for my contract to finish in february to upgrade
You can upgrade or downgrade anytime you want as long as you don't change twice in 30 days.
totalwar
02-11-2006, 23:41
I don't know how true this is but when I spoke to Retentions they said that everyone was going to be upgraded to 10mb boardband and this is all they had planned on the BB front in December 06.
lostandconfused
03-11-2006, 00:17
cant see everyone being upgraded to 10mb at the mo, although it doesnt mean its not happening, the reason they are unlimited is beacause ntl had no accurate way of measuring usage so it wasnt enforced, if they upgrade everyone to 10mb they would either have to drop the price to 2mb, which isnt likely or go on a sliding scale of usage, again cant see that happening by december
etccarmageddon
03-11-2006, 00:45
cant see everyone being upgraded to 10mb at the mo, although it doesnt mean its not happening, the reason they are unlimited is beacause ntl had no accurate way of measuring usage so it wasnt enforced, if they upgrade everyone to 10mb they would either have to drop the price to 2mb, which isnt likely or go on a sliding scale of usage, again cant see that happening by decemberNTL said they were making 10meg standard by end of 2006.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/186/ntl-to-make-10mb-broadband-speed-as-standard
I don't see anything happening other than this 20 meg malarkey :)
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2006/11/58.png
Chrysalis
03-11-2006, 12:46
if 10meg becomes standard then it would mean going the way of adsl capped products.
if 10meg becomes standard then it would mean going the way of adsl capped products.
perhap, but perhaps not, rememeber theres their need to increase their clients download so as to accomodate video downloading aka IPTV as itv and others are doing, be that limited free supply or pay-per-content supplyed to ntl:tw:virgin users PC/3rd party TCP:ip/UDP boxs (multicasting is really good here,turn it on and seed the markets NTL LOL).
dont forget NTL's commercial trial of torrent tech for one way to distribute/supply IPTV for instance.
its always good to see and take into consideration the near future commercial options rather than the mear end user perspective to see were and why they do these things.
looking at this old pdf from the bbc tech gives some idea as to were we are and will be soon enough
http://www.iee.org/oncomms/pn/visualinformation/Graham%20Plumb.pdf
etccarmageddon
03-11-2006, 15:07
there would have to be 'allowances' or 'caps' if all 3 tiers became 10meg - unless they put the bottom tier as 'standard' 10meg then the middle tier higher and the top one 20meg.
Haven't read the whole thread, the little I read seemed to be rumour and speculation - again :rolleyes:
... didn't see the phrase "up to" mentioned much though :blah:
Haven't read the whole thread, the little I read seemed to be rumour and speculation - again :rolleyes:
... didn't see the phrase "up to" mentioned much though :blah:
I think the 10Mb upgrade started as a rumour too. :dozey:
arcamalpha2004
05-11-2006, 13:53
Treat the rumour with a wide berth ;)
Such as the guy walking home from the pub one night comes across 2 drunks arguing, one of them grab this innocent guy by the arm.
" Sorry for that fella, but tell me, is that bright thing in the sky the moon or the sun? help us out so we can all go our own way "
Without thinking the guy replies " sorry lads I dont live around here! "
Is the " standard " 10 meg going to be enforced? oops upto 10 meg!
I mean, not everyone will want 10 mb, will they be told, " sorry you will have to go elsewhere "
I predict in the next couple of days Ntl will announce this is up and running. Not for everyone yet, but it will work - you'll see.
FusionXN1
07-11-2006, 01:11
Kinda strange that each week theres a new area getting upgrades and optimizations going on.
jrhnewark
07-11-2006, 13:52
Kinda strange that each week theres a new area getting upgrades and optimizations going on.It's not just that NTL's network is seriously lagging behind where it needs to be?
I predict in the next couple of days Ntl will announce this is up and running. Not for everyone yet, but it will work - you'll see.
Absolute nonsense. If they were on the verge of announcing 50Mb for even some customers, why are they currently conducting unannounced trials of 20Mb?
NTL said they were making 10meg standard by end of 2006.
Yes, but they have since changed their minds and gone for unmetered 2/4/10 instead.
Absolute nonsense. If they were on the verge of announcing 50Mb for even some customers, why are they currently conducting unannounced trials of 20Mb?
I'll accept your apology when it happens. Watch the press carefully. I have seen it working so eat your words and be careful who you say is talking nonsense.
I'll accept your apology when it happens. Watch the press carefully. I have seen it working so eat your words and be careful who you say is talking nonsense.
when it happens :LOL:
Not this year. £10 to a charity of your choice if we see a paying customer on it before 2007 ?
Put your money where your mouth is :).
And i think its nonsense as well :)
when it happens :LOL:
Not this year. £10 to a charity of your choice if we see a paying customer on it before 2007 ?
Put your money where your mouth is :).
And i think its nonsense as well :)
Sure - make it £20 and I'll post a link to the receipt if I have to do it.
I'll accept your apology when it happens. Watch the press carefully. I have seen it working so eat your words and be careful who you say is talking nonsense.
OK. Please say when and where you saw it working. Funny how the contacts who told us about the ongoing 20Mb trial don't know anything about 50Mb. I can only assume you're pretty high up within NTL, although if that's the case it's funny how in the 18 months or more that you've been a member here, you've never once looked at the forum from your desk at work. ;)
OK. Please say when and where you saw it working. Funny how the contacts who told us about the ongoing 20Mb trial don't know anything about 50Mb. I can only assume you're pretty high up within NTL, although if that's the case it's funny how in the 18 months or more that you've been a member here, you've never once looked at the forum from your desk at work. ;)
:D
I'll accept your apology when it happens. Watch the press carefully. I have seen it working so eat your words and be careful who you say is talking nonsense.
NTL try a lot of things. Doesn't mean that they are either willing, or in a position to offer it to their customers. Ask anyone on the London Wireless trials a couple of years back.
LostintheNW
07-11-2006, 17:31
If they wanted to give 50meg wouldnt this involve freeing up one whole channel or something along those lines to get this speed? or have they somehow found another way of giving this to people?...and if they can do 50meg down then why cant they provide a proper digital tv service that doesnt have a lot of channels which look like dodgy encrypted mpegs streamed off the internet? i dont see 50meg happening anytime soon myself, some people are just wishful thinking or have been on the drugs a little too long!
etccarmageddon
07-11-2006, 17:38
Yes, but they have since changed their minds and gone for unmetered 2/4/10 instead.point me to a press release that states that they have changed their minds?
I can point you to what they promised:-
Broadband customers will be able to choose a 10Mb service with a usage allowance to match their requirements. ntl will also offer a choice of broadband services with unlimited usage.
therefore the unmetered 2/4/10 options were already planned as per the second sentence.
point me to a press release that states that they have changed their minds?
I can point you to what they promised:-
therefore the unmetered 2/4/10 options were already planned as per the second sentence.As I mentioned on at least one thread here, it was Simon Duffy (ex ntl ceo) who said last year that everyone was going to 10mb. Then Steve Burch took over in January and decided to go with the Telewest way of dong things (like everything else). The 10mb for all was dropped in favour of unmetered access with diffrent speeds instead. A good decision, I think.
No link to press release as there wasn't one. This info comes from one of the presentations Burch did to the city this year. All available on ntl's site.
Plus as I said over on DS, the 3rd quarter results are out tomorrow and there may be some news of what's to come in the future:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=482882
testcard
07-11-2006, 18:51
That nice Mr Branson will demand that on the 14th of February 2007 a
customer can order
a) Unlimited Broadband upto 30mb
b) A TvDrive
c) A Combined mobile/land phone
Packaged with the sweetest deals to ensure fourplay.
etccarmageddon
07-11-2006, 18:57
Packaged with the sweetest deals to ensure fourplay.so the company will be rebranded as Virgin and specialise in foreplay? makes sense!
That nice Mr Branson will demand that on the 14th of February 2007 a
customer can order
a) Unlimited Broadband upto 30mb
b) A TvDrive
c) A Combined mobile/land phone
Packaged with the sweetest deals to ensure fourplay.is this just a wild bit of speculation or do you pretend to have some insider info?
As i have already posted. I do not think there will be PAYING customers on 50 meg before 2007.
I am not saying 50 meg is not possible it is on NTL's network, But it will require a different architecture than is there at the moment. It could be run along side what is in place at the moment. But it will take time , money, and testing before there are Paying customers on it.
Thats IF they are doing this. Thats IF they decide its feasible. That's If there is money to spend on it. NTL dont like to do any major work Near Christmas so that the system is stable over the Christmas holidays.
I have seen lots of Stuff in my time with NTL that never went passed feasibility trials. I have seen stuff that was red hot but never saw the light of day.
50 meg or 100 meg could be done with new technology that is coming out but ask yourself this.
Whats the point when.
Ntl now traffic shape to allow surfing and gaming at peak times so that they are not affected by heavy uses :angel:.
Newsgroup providers are starting to have problems feeding 10 meg and 20 meg users :Yikes:
I don't know of many sites that can give you a sustained 50 meg download do you.
So what am i saying.
I am not saying NTL cannot do this they could if they wanted to. But should they be doing it ?
testcard
07-11-2006, 19:13
so the company will be rebranded as Virgin and specialise in foreplay? makes sense!
Foreplay might get you excited but may not lead anywhere.......
is this just a wild bit of speculation or do you pretend to have some insider info?
There are Sky,Carphone et al are delivering a little now.
ntl/telewest/virgin have infra-structure, world class product
and have beat the competition by speed, function and price in every sector.
That very nice Mr Branson did not make a few billion by just letting it happen.
It will the ulimate package ready to order/upgrade on 14/02/07.
OK. Please say when and where you saw it working. Funny how the contacts who told us about the ongoing 20Mb trial don't know anything about 50Mb. I can only assume you're pretty high up within NTL, although if that's the case it's funny how in the 18 months or more that you've been a member here, you've never once looked at the forum from your desk at work. ;)
Lol
You'll see. I can't say where it is happening because it is top secret info of course. I don't work for Ntl so don't have an ntl work desk or email address. I love the way on here people make assumptions and assume they are right. I'll be checking back on here for the next couple of days.
Maybe they will announce something tomorrow?
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=482882
Lol
You'll see. I can't say where it is happening because it is top secret info of course. I don't work for Ntl so don't have an ntl work desk or email address. I love the way on here people make assumptions and assume they are right. I'll be checking back on here for the next couple of days.
Maybe they will announce something tomorrow?
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=482882
Of course. Tell me, what technical solution are they employing? ethernet-over-coax? Because that's most likely what they will need to employ to make this work commercially. And if that's the case, then as has been said by other members, there will not be a commercial 50Mb service for some considerable time yet.
EOC would require a new modem to be installed in every single street cab on the network. NTL will not be in a hurry to spend that kind of money and they don't like to make major network changes in the run-up to Christmas.
They may well announce something in their 3rd quarter statement, but I bet if they do, they don't give any firm commitment as to when. They are more likely to make noises about 20Mb, as we know that is technically more achievable. Make no mistake, any statement on 50Mb that comes with no commitment or date is not worth listening to and certainly doesn't win you your bet with Bill. Everyone knows that Cable as a technology is well able to deliver far more than 50Mb, so simply saying they're going to do it at some point proves nothing. The question is, can NTL deliver it, and by when.
Of course. Tell me, what technical solution are they employing? ethernet-over-coax? Because that's most likely what they will need to employ to make this work commercially. And if that's the case, then as has been said by other members, there will not be a commercial 50Mb service for some considerable time yet.
EOC would require a new modem to be installed in every single street cab on the network. NTL will not be in a hurry to spend that kind of money and they don't like to make major network changes in the run-up to Christmas.
They may well announce something in their 3rd quarter statement, but I bet if they do, they don't give any firm commitment as to when. They are more likely to make noises about 20Mb, as we know that is technically more achievable. Make no mistake, any statement on 50Mb that comes with no commitment or date is not worth listening to and certainly doesn't win you your bet with Bill. Everyone knows that Cable as a technology is well able to deliver far more than 50Mb, so simply saying they're going to do it at some point proves nothing. The question is, can NTL deliver it, and by when.
I don't have a clue about any solutions and even if I did I wouldn't be posting it on here as it is still top secret stuff. I am not saying that any service will be going out to each and every customer - if you read mmy first post on this correctly. I can just say watch this space - and I am enjoying getting you lot all wound up about this!
I don't have a clue about any solutions and even if I did I wouldn't be posting it on here as it is still top secret stuff. I am not saying that any service will be going out to each and every customer - if you read mmy first post on this correctly. I can just say watch this space - and I am enjoying getting you lot all wound up about this!
In other words, you're being a troll. Please be careful. ;)
Incidentally, I have seen a flying car working. Doesn't mean I'm going to be able to go out and buy one when I get my next pay cheque.
I don't have a clue about any solutions and even if I did I wouldn't be posting it on here as it is still top secret stuff. I am not saying that any service will be going out to each and every customer - if you read mmy first post on this correctly. I can just say watch this space - and I am enjoying getting you lot all wound up about this!
If you have seen this working and you are part of a group involved then you Would have the knowledge. You also will be a part of a small group of people and any leak would soon be traced. As for winding people up. Been there done it had the glory :D.
And to add if it is top secret then you are a idiot for posting it and should not be trusted by the people you are working with.
Chrysalis
07-11-2006, 22:52
I'll accept your apology when it happens. Watch the press carefully. I have seen it working so eat your words and be careful who you say is talking nonsense.
have you read how the current technology works which ntl are using? you have probably seen it in a trial area.
Newsgroup providers are starting to have problems feeding 10 meg and 20 meg users :Yikes:?
Giganews arent, on my dedicated server they are good for 50MEG ;)
I think we will see 50mb+ speeds perhaps within 18 months, but ntl have to turn off their analogue signals first. Once that's completed by the end of next year then that will be the time to speculate on even higher speeds.
As i have already posted. I do not think there will be PAYING customers on 50 meg before 2007.
I am not saying 50 meg is not possible it is on NTL's network, But it will require a different architecture than is there at the moment. It could be run along side what is in place at the moment. But it will take time , money, and testing before there are Paying customers on it.
Thats IF they are doing this. Thats IF they decide its feasible. That's If there is money to spend on it. NTL dont like to do any major work Near Christmas so that the system is stable over the Christmas holidays.
I have seen lots of Stuff in my time with NTL that never went passed feasibility trials. I have seen stuff that was red hot but never saw the light of day.
50 meg or 100 meg could be done with new technology that is coming out but ask yourself this.
Whats the point when.
Ntl now traffic shape to allow surfing and gaming at peak times so that they are not affected by heavy uses :angel:.
Newsgroup providers are starting to have problems feeding 10 meg and 20 meg users :Yikes:
I don't know of many sites that can give you a sustained 50 meg download do you.
So what am i saying.
I am not saying NTL cannot do this they could if they wanted to. But should they be doing it ?
some interesting points there bill, i do wonder if there exists today the ability to co-locate inside the NTL:tw network for 3rd partys ?, that could be a way to get some high throughput to and from the users inside the WAN.
richard.rooney@b
08-11-2006, 07:55
Absolute nonsense. If they were on the verge of announcing 50Mb for even some customers, why are they currently conducting unannounced trials of 20Mb?
Careful. The chief executive has just been on BBC Breakfast and confirmed this very thing.
Careful. The chief executive has just been on BBC Breakfast and confirmed this very thing.
:Yikes: is the word.
Well good luck to them. hope it works.
Careful. The chief executive has just been on BBC Breakfast and confirmed this very thing.
really!, do BBC Breakfast have a stream we can reference for that, or did anyone dvb-T ts record it and can use http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=117644 to cut that section out and put on their ntl web space or somewere?.
:welcome: btw
richard.rooney@b
08-11-2006, 08:01
:Yikes: is the word.
From a quick read through this thread, I reckon a couple of folk owe Samuel a charitable donation!
The CE also confirmed a new Virgin branding. It was in the 'city' section of the otherwise atrocious programme and featured the frankly delicious Misha Patel.
Sorry I can't provide more detail. I was just coming to and switched on in the hope of finding out that Mr Bush had taken one hell of a beating.
From a quick read through this thread, I reckon a couple of folk owe Samuel a charitable donation!
The CE also confirmed a new Virgin branding. It was in the 'city' section of the otherwise atrocious programme and featured the frankly delicious Misha Patel.
when i see paying customers on it. That is what i said. Not in house not a trial but paying customers :)
zing_deleted
08-11-2006, 08:11
Ill be happy when I see a paying customer ie me getting this for 30 quid a month ;)
Ill be happy when I see a paying customer ie me getting this for 30 quid a month ;)
And that the rub. I would like to see any customer be able to sign up for this.
to quote myself
Quote:
Originally Posted by samuel http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/showthread.php?p=34152607#post34152607)
I'll accept your apology when it happens. Watch the press carefully. I have seen it working so eat your words and be careful who you say is talking nonsense.
when it happens :LOL:
Not this year. £10 to a charity of your choice if we see a paying customer on it before 2007 ?
Put your money where your mouth is :).
when i see paying customers on it. That is what i said. Not in house not a trial but paying customers Not just in a area to be able to say hey we have the fastest broadband. And then not see it anywhere else for months and months
the reports up, dont know if theres anything in there about it yet
http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/13/135/135485/items/220339/NTL_Q32006.pdf
NTL REPORTS THIRD QUARTER 2006 RESULTS AND ANNOUNCES
REBRAND TO VIRGIN MEDIA
"Today, we are announcing a change in our company name to Virgin Media and our plans to
rebrand our existing consumer division early next year, backed up by a significant media
campaign.
Virgin Media will exploit its unique ability to offer a “quad-play” of digital TV,
broadband, mobile and home phone services to deliver an unrivalled choice of high quality."
"
Consumer
Consumer revenue in the third quarter was £642.8 million, down £1.9 million sequentially compared with
the second quarter, primarily due to customer losses offsetting an increase in ARPU to £42.48 from
£42.21."
"
We will be rebranding our Consumer division and all its TV, telephony and broadband business to Virgin
in the first quarter of 2007, backed by a significant advertising campaign. At that point the current
consumer brands of NTL and Telewest will be phased out rapidly.
We believe that the unique flavor and customer focus of the Virgin brand, which is one of the best known
and most respected brands in the UK,will give our growth fresh impetus.
As anticipated, we experienced negative net customer growth in the quarter due to increased movers
churn and non-pay churn driven by policy changes. Customer losses were 37,300 in the quarter."
"
We are planning to migrate old NTL’s three existing billing systems onto the existing system used by
Telewest over the next twelve months.
We will begin the first of these around the end of November 2006. When complete, these migrations should allow us to have greater data integrity and to further improve our customer service experience. Given the nature of the exercise, it is probable that some adjustments to customer and RGU numbers will take place at the time of those conversions. These adjustments in raw
customer and RGU numbers should not have any material impact on revenue or OCF.
Gross additions in the fourth quarter will be impacted by our first billing migration, as we will cease all
installation activity for one week. We also expect a low level of installations in the second half of
December due to the holiday season. It is also likely that some of the churn issues identified above, as a
result of alignment of policies, processes and compliance, will also impact customer growth. We believe
the short term negative impact is worth the long term improvements."
"
Broadband
We continue to experience strongest growth in the number of broadband subscribers. Gross additions
were 265,000, an increase of 13% over the previous quarter, driven by our reinvigorated marketing and
compelling offers.
Net additions were 78,100 in the quarter, down from 104,900 in the second quarter. This reduction was
driven by an increase in churn, with disconnects growing by 58,000. Of this, 47,000 disconnects were in
old NTL areas.
The number of disconnections was impacted by the customer churn issues discussed
above. Churn was also impacted by a high number of disconnections from customers who had joined old-
NTL in the third quarter of 2005 on a £9.99 stand-alone broadband offer, who have now come to the end
of their promotional period.
Broadband penetration stands at 25.2% of our marketable homes, leaving significant room for further
growth.
As an end-to-end network owner, we have competitive strengths in the quality of broadband service that
we offer. Customers can receive consistent speeds no matter where they live on our network and our top
speed of 10Mb is available throughout our broadband addressable areas. In November, we will be
launching a commercial trial of a 50Mb broadband service to paying customers"
"
Television
Our wide and comprehensive range of television services allows us to retain a competitive advantage
over other TV platforms.
Digital television net additions were 85,800, compared to 73,800 in the previous quarter. Total TV net
additions, which includes analog television, were 22,200 in the quarter, compared to 8,300 in the previous
quarter."
"
Off-net
Consumer off-net revenue was £17.6 million in the third quarter, compared to £16.3 million in the previous
quarter and £17.3 million in the same quarter last year. These revenues are largely from Virgin.net, our
wholly owned broadband ISP which offers broadband and telephony services using BT Group’s
wholesale products rather than our own cable network. As at the quarter end, we had 242,800 off-net
broadband subscribers and 42,800 off-net telephony subscribers.
We plan to use Virgin.net as the incubator for the development of a more aggressive off-net proposition.
Building on the success of Virgin.net, we will be making a modest investment in our platform and product
capability to deliver an off-net quad-play to complement our current cable business. This will leverage off
our new national Virgin Media brand and marketing activities. Our off-net proposition will provide many
benefits to the Company including being able to offer a Virgin branded quad-play to cable customers who
churn because they are moving out of our addressable areas. During the third quarter, we estimate that
we had 129,000 disconnections due to customers moving out of our cable areas. We have appointed
Philip Snalune, Group Strategy Director and formerly Director of Products and Marketing at Telewest, to
lead the implementation of our off-net strategy."
hmm, i cant seem to find any reference no.s to saving and losses for layoffs and oversea's personel?.
richard.rooney@b
08-11-2006, 08:25
when i see paying customers on it. That is what i said. Not in house not a trial but paying customers :)
Methinks you are revising. Chris said, "Absolute nonsense. If they were on the verge of announcing 50Mb for even some customers, why are they currently conducting unannounced trials of 20Mb?"
You associated yourself with this comment by saying: "i think its nonsense as well" and adding a smiley to Chris's "OK. Please say when and where you saw it working. Funny how the contacts who told us about the ongoing 20Mb trial don't know anything about 50Mb. I can only assume you're pretty high up within NTL, although if that's the case it's funny how in the 18 months or more that you've been a member here, you've never once looked at the forum from your desk at work."
Pay up!!!
etccarmageddon
08-11-2006, 08:30
.... Make no mistake, any statement on 50Mb that comes with no commitment or date is not worth listening to and certainly doesn't win you your bet with Bill. ...has the chief actually announced a date because remember - 1 YEAR AGO THEY SAID 10MEG WOULD BE STANDARD BY THE END OF THIS YEAR - and it doesn't look like it's happening.
richard.rooney@b
08-11-2006, 08:31
the reports up, dont know if theres anything in there about it yet
http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/13/135/135485/items/220339/NTL_Q32006.pdf
NTL REPORTS THIRD QUARTER 2006 RESULTS AND ANNOUNCES
REBRAND TO VIRGIN MEDIA
That report states: "In November, we will be launching a commercial trial of a 50Mb broadband service to paying customers." (Page 4, under 'broadband' heading.)
End of argument?
Methinks you are revising. Chris said, "Absolute nonsense. If they were on the verge of announcing 50Mb for even some customers, why are they currently conducting unannounced trials of 20Mb?"
You associated yourself with this comment by saying: "i think its nonsense as well" and adding a smiley to Chris's "OK. Please say when and where you saw it working. Funny how the contacts who told us about the ongoing 20Mb trial don't know anything about 50Mb. I can only assume you're pretty high up within NTL, although if that's the case it's funny how in the 18 months or more that you've been a member here, you've never once looked at the forum from your desk at work."
Pay up!!!
Sorry but i DID say paying customers. Not NTL in House. Not some celebrities like the last 100 meg trial. I said PAYING customers i will pay up if i see paying customers. Whats so hard to see in that. Or are you just a troll who signed up this morning to wind people up.
---------- Post added at 08:38 ---------- Previous post was at 08:36 ----------
That report states: "In November, we will be launching a commercial trial of a 50Mb broadband service to paying customers." (Page 4, under 'broadband' heading.)
End of argument?
NTL say lots of things and then they don't happen for months. When i see paying customers i will pay up if they are in 2006. How clearer can i make my self ?
NTL said they would do lots of things that then get delayed for numerus reasons. Remember the ability to look at what you have used bandwidth wise on your broadband. Remember the statment that all customers would be on 10 meg by the end of 2006 .
like i said WHEN I SEE PAYING CUSTOMER BEFORE 2007.
richard.rooney@b
08-11-2006, 08:41
Sorry but i DID say paying customers. Not NTL in House. Not some celebrities like the last 100 meg trial. I said PAYING customers i will pay up if i see paying customers. Whats so hard to see in that. Or are you just a troll who signed up this morning to wind people up.
---------- Post added at 08:38 ---------- Previous post was at 08:36 ----------
NTL say lots of things and then they don't happen for months. When i see paying customers i will pay up if they are in 2006. How clearer can i make my self ?
But, again, you are being unfair. Samuel gave a sneak preview that this ANNOUNCEMENT was going to be made, and was then ridiculed for talking "nonsense".
It is now beyond question that an announcement of a commercial trial for "paying customers" HAS been announced for this month.
Whether that trial now proves to be a failure is irrelevant. Samuel cannot be held responsible for how NTL:Telewest gets on with the trial. He only provided news of the trial. That was what you and Chris rejected, and so it's time to pay up for charity!
Daffy Duck
08-11-2006, 08:44
I,too,saw the programme and it was definitely stated that 50 megs would launch early next year.
Having a quick look thru the link provided by popper it says that the 50 meg trials will start in Nov to paying customers.
Bill C's original bet was " Not this year. £10 to a charity of your choice if we see a paying customer on it before 2007 ?". No mention of a trial not counting.So if any customers get 50 megs,even for a trial,then Bill C has lost his bet.
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