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budwieser
01-06-2006, 23:46
Any Life Insurance experts here!?
Got a few questions about some Mortgage protection we were sold by Lloyds TSB.
I think we were taken for a pair of *****.!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :td:

Wicked_and_Crazy
03-06-2006, 22:16
Mortgage protection and life assurance are different products.

Generally life assurance will pay out on death, maybe on critical illness on certain life assurances.

Mortgage protection, generally provides you with an income should you be unable to work. There's normally a waiting period before you start receiving payments

etccarmageddon
03-06-2006, 22:20
Any Life Insurance experts here!?
Got a few questions about some Mortgage protection we were sold by Lloyds TSB.
I think we were taken for a pair of *****.!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :td:fire away.

and if you're looking for a better value product go to money supermarket. for £42 a month if I remember rightly I'm covered for a mortgage of £800 for TWO years unlike your lloyds policy which is no doubt 12 month but a similar price.

budwieser
04-06-2006, 00:03
fire away.

and if you're looking for a better value product go to money supermarket. for £42 a month if I remember rightly I'm covered for a mortgage of £800 for TWO years unlike your lloyds policy which is no doubt 12 month but a similar price.
We put ourselves in the hands of LloydsTSB to sort everything out for us, and, ............................for the last 18 month`s we have been paying, on a £703 per month Mortgage, wait for it................................................ .................................................. .....................
£284.00 PER MONTH with Scottish Widows for Life Insurance on our Mortgage.:td:
I`m being penalized because i had Cancer 18 years ago and have been clear for 17 of those years!

etccarmageddon
04-06-2006, 10:34
ahh I see I'm paying around £10 a month for £80k life insurance which is a term insurance product ie. for the next 18 years roughly. I'd say at that price life insurance is pointless - you might as well not have it and take your chances. go to moneysupermarket and get some quotes but note that you will have to declare the cancer details which may cause them to bump up the policy but I doubt it as I believe once you are clear for 5 years doctors consider it unlikely to come back?

Nidge
04-06-2006, 12:18
Direct line have some good offers on at the moment.

etccarmageddon
04-06-2006, 21:12
are you sure this £284 a month policy is JUST life insurance and isn't also endowment or unit linked. what is the policy called?

why has it taken 18months for you to discover this value? when you sign up for any insurance and are offered advice or no advice they're supposed to bombard you with clear quotes explaining eveything so you are 100% sure of what you are paying and what you are getting.

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some 'insurance' policies include 'units' or 'profits' which mean when the policy matures you get a payment but the downside is subscriptions are bigger.

DaggaDagga
04-06-2006, 21:28
Personally, I have as little insurance as possible. I have no life insurance or unemployment protection or whatever. My car insurance has a £1000 excess (which saves me £150 a year). I don't have legal expenses cover, hire car cover or any other optional extras. I have home buildings and contents cover, no accidental damage etc.

With all the money saved, I should leave plenty savings for the other half to sort things out when I get hit by a bus. I'm currently buying a second house to rent out, partly out of the savings I get from not buying all this nonsense.

I worked in insurance for 5 years, so know why it's a waste of money. Most of it is just preying on peoples' fears. There is very very little chance that you'll die or get sacked before the mortgage is paid, and if you did then they'd find a way of not paying out. The only people who benefit from your premium money are their shareholders and staff.

handyman
04-06-2006, 22:45
Slightly related to this thread.

Car GAP insurance cost's a maximum of £90 yet can be sold up to £1500.
Paint guard products cost £20-25 yet are sold for upto £500.
Life insurance on car policies is not worth it as your more than likely covered by a seperate life insurance.

Chrysalis
05-06-2006, 05:03
dont know about little chance of been sacked? how many people are confident they be doing the same job for next 30 years and those especially working for small companies.

etccarmageddon
05-06-2006, 08:47
NTL staff are getting made redundant by the shed load aren't they?

DaggaDagga
05-06-2006, 10:18
...but you'll get another job after a time. During your unemployment, your lost earnings paid by the insurance company would be a fraction of what you'd pay in premiums.

That is, if they actually paid out.

Insurance companies make healthy profits, even after paying all their costs. The amount they pay out must therefore be much less than the amount that's paid in. On average, everyone always claims less than they pay in. So, on average, you will be better off without insurance.

You just need a safety buffer of savings, which isn't a problem if you're not handing over half your money to an insurance company. If you're not happy with an element of risk then you'll never be well off.

etccarmageddon
05-06-2006, 11:47
my mortgage protection is £800 a month and would pay out for 2 years - therefore is worth £19k.

my monthly payments amount to £528 per year. therefore I would need to put away month for approx 35 years in order to build up that safety buffer.

budwieser
05-06-2006, 21:54
my mortgage protection is £800 a month and would pay out for 2 years - therefore is worth £19k.

my monthly payments amount to £528 per year. therefore I would need to put away month for approx 35 years in order to build up that safety buffer.
No, I mean i`m paying £284.00 per Month for life insurance against my Mortgage which is a repayment Mortgage as we took LloydsTSB`S advice and did what they suggested.! :(

etccarmageddon
06-06-2006, 01:11
cancel the policy as I believe it isn't compuloray these days also write a formal complaint. for £280 a month you are better putting it into a bank a/c - why has it taken you 18 months to spot this - did they do it on the sly if so you might be able to get a refund of premiums.

Shaun
06-06-2006, 01:16
Before you do anything go and see and INDEPENDANT financial adviser. They will look at all your finances and taylor the products to suit your needs. Being independent means they can offer you all the products on the market and not just one companies.

If you ring round those in the yellow pages for your town ask if they make any charges - you want one that's free (i.e. they make the money from the products they sell :) )

Chrysalis
06-06-2006, 09:13
considering mortgage policies capped at 2 year payout I would seirously consider not having one but if I didnt have one I would make sure I save up to cover for the unforseen event of illness or losing my job.

I fell ill when I had a loan and had my insurance payout all the way to do the end of the loan period so in my case it worked, these mortgage inusrance policies I think should payout until the end of the mortgage if they had any decency, then they may be worth paying for. If they worried about people ripping them off (quitting job and then having mortgage paid off on easy life) then their are precuations they can take like only payout on redundancy and proof of going for jobs, if falling ill then proof of medical status.

etccarmageddon
06-06-2006, 13:53
they only pay out if you're made redundant and you were not aware of any redundancy risk.

DaggaDagga
06-06-2006, 15:06
If you can over-pay your mortgage then you can stop paying at any time until the over-payment is used up.

Makes more sense to me than handing over cash every month that you'll very likely never see again.

The benefit is that you'll save interest by doing this, so you'll save lots of money even if you're never unemployed. And all the money that you over-pay reduces the mortgage anyway, so it's never lost.

We have an offset mortgage, so we don't actually over-pay it as such. The money in our current and savings accounts counts against the mortgage balance anyway.

etccarmageddon
06-06-2006, 15:18
If you can over-pay your mortgage then you can stop paying at any time until the over-payment is used up...I wish! my mortgage company will allow overpayments but not allow this for payment holidays.

DaggaDagga
06-06-2006, 16:13
I wish! my mortgage company will allow overpayments but not allow this for payment holidays.

Have you considered changing? I'd heartily recommend my Woolwich offset tracker. 4.79% (base rate +0.29%) lifetime rate. The best thing is that every penny in my current and savings account reduces the mortgage balance daily. And the girlfriend's savings account also offsets against it, even though it's her legally separate money.

We've got an interest-only mortgage. If you think about it, there's no point having a repayment mortgage if it's offset. If you build up money in the other accounts then you're effectively paying the capital anyway, although you can still have it back if there's a crisis. And you're then only committed to paying the interest every month, so less to find if you're on the dole for a bit.

£595 application fee, but no fee if the loan is for less than 75% of the house value.

I don't understand why everyone doesn't have a mortgage like this.

etccarmageddon
06-06-2006, 16:22
I'm signed up for 10 years at just under 5% so no chance of changing. the security of a fixed rate appealed to me.

DaggaDagga
06-06-2006, 16:39
Made a mistake - it's 5.09% (base rate +0.59%).

Thought it sounded too good. Their lifetime base rate +0.29% is not an offset.

You need a lot of money in the offset to make it cheaper than the +0.29% one, but even if it's more expensive then you can't beat the flexibility.

5% fixed rate is pretty good. There's lots of talk about rates going up by the end of this year.