View Full Version : .com to be shut down temporarily
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 14:26
i wonder if temp means permanent
http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/showthread.php?p=542378#post542378
downquark1
21-11-2003, 14:28
Well thanks to Erol & his self promotion campaign taking over the site this last week or so, & Craig & his bitter/twisted revenge mission, What have I missed now?
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 14:30
it looks as though ntl have had enough of being abused on there own site :rofl:
i wonder if temp means permanent
http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/showthread.php?p=542378#post542378
Well we will see in two weeks time ....
There's been a lot going on here too ....
http://www.ntlhell.co.uk/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=3305&
Well we will see in two weeks time ....Haha, that we will.
downquark1
21-11-2003, 14:35
Has it gone down already it just stopped responding?
EDIT: oppps it's gone then http://www.nthellworld.com/Download Failed (1)
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Please check back here in the next couple of weeks for any update.
If you are looking for help or assistance on our services, please visit the links below.
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i wonder if temp means permanent
http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/showthread.php?p=542378#post542378 Time for a third major influx of new members coming over here from .com perhaps?
Mind you, while I don't support what NTL is doing in closing .com, I can see how they would get wound up by the constant self-promotion, interest-pushing and whingeing that's been going on in some of the threads over there.
Dave Stones
21-11-2003, 14:37
i wonder if temp means permanent
http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/showthread.php?p=542378#post542378
well, it's just gone down now. i was rading a page and clicked to page 2 and got the mesasge telling me that it has been shut down for a "comprehensive review". hmm...
i love it how the link to get help with quereis etc points back to the same page :D
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 14:37
To be honest... things were starting to improve. and funnily enough just as everyone started to get along and discuss some good ideas on where to go with the site.... they suspended it.
I suspect (T)Ashley didnt like the ideas that were coming out... 1 being a customer representative who would take up members issues with NTL.
downquark1
21-11-2003, 14:39
I hope I'm not gossipinghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2003/11/3.gif but what was Craig doing?
well, it's just gone down now. i was rading a page and clicked to page 2 and got the mesasge telling me that it has been shut down for a "comprehensive review". hmm...
i love it how the link to get help with quereis etc points back to the same page :D
Then let me be the first to welcome all our new members :wavey:
It's nice here, honest. :D
Well here I am :erm:
If anyone wants/needs any ntl related help, I will be more than happy to assist. I am also willing not to post here if any of the team fear it may lead to disruption (having witnessed that first hand this last week or so :rolleyes: )
*Heads off to XBOX forum*..... :walk:
To be honest... things were starting to improve. and funnily enough just as everyone started to get along and discuss some good ideas on where to go with the site.... they suspended it.
We all knew this was going to happen sooner or later .... .Com's days were numbered ... any excuse suspend ... or remove.
Community may appear in the next two weeks ....
Well here I am :erm:
If anyone wants/needs any ntl related help, I will be more than happy to assist. I am also willing not to post here if any of the team fear it may lead to disruption (having witnessed that forst hand this laast week or so :rolleyes: )
*Heads off to XBOX forum*.....
I hope you are welcome .... and can help out with NTL related issues too. :D
Well here I am :erm:
If anyone wants/needs any ntl related help, I will be more than happy to assist. I am also willing not to post here if any of the team fear it may lead to disruption (having witnessed that forst hand this laast week or so :rolleyes: )
*Heads off to XBOX forum*.....
Neil, I can't think of any possible reason why you wouldn't be welcome. :wavey:
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 14:41
smacks of heavyhandedness i reckon , a case of you will do as i say ;)
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 14:43
Well here I am :erm:
If anyone wants/needs any ntl related help, I will be more than happy to assist. I am also willing not to post here if any of the team fear it may lead to disruption (having witnessed that first hand this last week or so :rolleyes: )
*Heads off to XBOX forum*..... :walk:
that didnt take long now did it , i for one will be surprised if .com returns
;)
i wonder who the 8 guests are , future members maybe , anyone know how many new members we have got so far ????????????? :p :p :p :p
Haha. Nothing suprises me anymore, it really doesn't. This clearly proves that ntl have no idea how to treat their communities of online customers. There are many discussion groups, mailing lists, and thesis' on how to better manage online communities such as this, and not having read them all, I doubt very much that closing down a community for two weeks is one of the preferred methods of handling a difficult situation.
Nor can they even design a web page properly. Broken graphics on the holding page on all pages except the root directory.
http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/
Tip for ntl: Try <img src="/ntllogo.gif" />
Note the leading slash :rolleyes:
Number of currently active users is 62 and still rising.
Sociable
21-11-2003, 14:49
sadly this happened just before I had a chance to make a backup copy of the proposal I had made and others agreed to about setting up a customer panel.
If anyone that participated in that thread on .com has a copy as part of the e-mail notifications handy I would really appreciate recieving a copy of that for reference.
As it happens the proposal might go down just as well here given the number of shared members so if all else fails we could organise it through this site just as easily.
It would perhaps make sense to run the idea by the admins here first though as I don't want to cause problems or disruption for this independant site in any way.
i for one will be surprised if .com returns I for two. And if it does, it certainly won't be like it was before. A more "ntlified" version. I.e. All ntl staff moderastors, no criticism of ntl whatsoever, still no honesty from ntl, only announcements done by ntl PR people.
:nono:
anyone know how many new members we have got so far ????????????? :p :p :p :p
1368 at the mo .... LOL :D
Now 71 people online and 3 guests registering.
Hey, NTL, you can't just shut people up like that! Talk about counter productive.
It would perhaps make sense to run the idea by the admins here first though as I don't want to cause problems or disruption for this independant site in any way.I believe a customer panel is a great idea. Perhaps start a separate thread about it yeah?
76 online, 2 guests registering and one logging in.
Move on up the forum please, there's plenty of room on the top deck!
Sociable
21-11-2003, 14:55
I believe a customer panel is a great idea. Perhaps start a separate thread about it yeah?
Many thanks soon as I can get a copy I will do just that. LOL
Sod's law that what I think may have been my best thought out post ever and I forgot to make a back-up copy. :cry:
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 14:55
76 online, 2 guests registering and one logging in.
Move on up the forum please, there's plenty of room on the top deck!
there wont be soon we will need a triple decker :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: , talk about shooting youself in the foot ntl , i wonder if anyone from ntl is watching this :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
76 online, 2 guests registering and one logging in.
Move on up the forum please, there's plenty of room on the top deck!
45 'guest' LOL and they're not 'spiders' :D
85 of us online now, and still not a spider in sight :rofl:
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 14:58
hello my fellow refugees.... sociable, mick, neil, bassa, bbking... etc
oh and some bloke called Frank....!
85 of us online now, and still not a spider in sight :rofl:
Stop it, Stop it, my sides are splitting :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That was a bit sudden ... I guess in NTL's position I'd do it without warning too, imagine the web traffic to the site if they announced it for 7 day's or something.
Has anyone seen fraz?Does anyone care?
Wonder if Ashg's on here in some guise or other?
Sociable
21-11-2003, 15:05
hello my fellow refugees.... sociable, mick, neil, bassa, bbking... etc
oh and some bloke called Frank....!
Don't supose by some good fortune you still have a copy of the proposal hanging about on a message notification do you?
Thanks in advance if you do and great to see all the familiar faces too. :wavey:
The original closed thread, courtesy of Fawkes on IRC
http://www.ukclan.barrysworld.net/nthellworld.htm
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 15:06
That was a bit sudden ... I guess in NTL's position I'd do it without warning too, imagine the web traffic to the site if they announced it for 7 day's or something.
I've just been reading a thread on the other .co.uk and there appears to be a link or something posted by petersK which looks like some hack allowing you to access pms or something on .com. perhaps that's why the sudden shutdown?
the posting I think was 1.40pm but not 100% cos I fell asleep reading the thread!
I've just been reading a thread on the other .co.uk and there appears to be a link or something posted by petersK which looks like some hack allowing you to access pms or something on .com. perhaps that's why the sudden shutdown?
the posting I think was 1.40pm but not 100% cos I fell asleep reading the thread!
The link was tested by Frank .... it's bogus ... so NO that wasn't the reason.
KA? I wonder if she's here now as well? Everybody else is...
:wavey:
KA? I wonder if she's here now as well? Everybody else is...
:wavey:
*cough* peachey *cough*
*cough* peachey *cough*
No-surely not?
*cough* peachey *cough*
Noooooooooooooooooooo, y'dont say!!!! :eek:
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 15:12
We have just been assured on a conference call that it is not a move to close the site, rather to highlight the site's priorities-which can't be done with everything that is currently happening with all the constant bombardment of questions about who mods the mods/who will be editor/user empowerment/power to the people etc.
:shrug:
Ashley ( :dmonk: ) - you have the brain of a pea!
what else could we have expected from the man who treated Frank so appallingly.
Maybe all the .com refugees who have just come on over here would like to introduce themselves in this thread and tell us what they think of NTL's decision to shut their forum?
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 15:16
it's a stunt towny. the best way of creating more divisions and encouraging hostility to anyone who wants to take part in site discussion (when the site re-opens).
sociable was bringing out the best in people and their ideas. and just as things were getting good and everyone was starting to reach a concensous... plug pulled.
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 15:17
Maybe all the .com refugees who have just come on over here would like to introduce themselves in this thread and tell us what they think of NTL's decision to shut their forum?
that should make interesting reading i reckon :D
maybe it is for the good .com going and i still say it wont come back :eek:
Oi! I was in posting mode at NTHellworld.com when unfortunately, NTL switched the forums off!!! :erm:
Hello people!
So my last post there becomes my first post here.
I have been quite for a few days. Despite a bad migraine I think I had a feeling something like this was on the cards.
During the downtime, the NTHellworld.com site may now be transferred and shaped up as the community site (it is possible, with a straight redirection). Itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s a shame, I believe NTHellworld.com may never be the same.
Did the site become too much of an embarrassment? Apart from silencing the forum for two weeks, it will without doubt lose and drive away many members.
A shame considering all the efforts recently where discussions on the site's future, were just beginning to get somewhere sensibly, thanks to Sociable and some of the other better members.
Thank you to everyone who has helped me at NTHellworld.com,
Viva NTHellworld.co.uk!
Linda
:rudo:
that should make interesting reading i reckon :D
maybe it is for the good .com going and i still say it wont come back :eek:It may indeed be better off dead. nthw.com was a good support site before ntl bought it, so there's no reason why this site can't be a good support site outside of ntl control. We have an established community here, we have good moderators - not to hard, but not lax either - and now, thanks to this latest piece of stunning ntl mismanagement, we have floods of .com members over here, some of whom are bound to be staffers who want to help us poor customers out!
I'm sad to see .com go, but really, they signed its death warrant by announcing the Community site, because that announcement led to the creation of this site - an alternative forum whose aim was primarily not to $lag off .com but to replace it as a good source of help and interesting chat. That's the big strength of nthw.co.uk in comparison to some alternatives I've seen ;)
EDIT for censor bot (oops!)
:shrug:
Ashley ( :dmonk: ) - you have the brain of a pea!
what else could we have expected from the man who treated Frank so appallingly.
That is straight personal abuse, aimed at someone with a very limited ability to defend themselves. It is not imo like you etc.
If all people on 'user run' sites want to do is take cheap shots at indivdual employees, is it any wonder that NTL question the value of sites like these?
Just my opinion, nothing personal etc. I have only picked up on your post etc and not others because I really thought you were 'better than that'
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 15:24
Oi! I was in posting mode at NTHellworld.com when unfortunately, NTL switched the forums off!!! :erm:
Hello people!
So my last post there becomes my first post here.
I have been quite for a few days. Despite a bad migraine I think I had a feeling something like this was on the cards.
During the downtime, the NTHellworld.com site may now be transferred and shaped up as the community site (it is possible, with a straight redirection). Itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s a shame, I believe NTHellworld.com may never be the same.
Did the site become too much of an embarrassment? Apart from silencing the forum for two weeks, it will without doubt lose and drive away many members.
A shame considering all the efforts recently where discussions on the site's future, were just beginning to get somewhere sensibly, thanks to Sociable and some of the other better members.
Thank you to everyone who has helped me at NTHellworld.com,
Viva NTHellworld.co.uk!
Linda
:rudo:
yes i reckon you are right about it becoming an embarresment to the management
;)
Maybe all the .com refugees who have just come on over here would like to introduce themselves in this thread and tell us what they think of NTL's decision to shut their forum?
Well, I'm not quite a refugee - I've been keeping an eye on here for a while (two forums are better than one :) ) but here I am, and as always willing to help where I can ..
I don't know whats going on, but there have been plenty of rumours on the Reg about the site being closed...
In fact - http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/22/34133.html has appeared there already - damn but they are quick !!
as always I state my opinions - please feel free to ignore them
purenuman
21-11-2003, 15:25
45 'guest' LOL and they're not 'spiders' :D
And this one 'aint a guest now either! Hi!
:ghugs:
downquark1
21-11-2003, 15:25
some of whom are bound to be staffers who want to help us poor customers out! Will NTL allow staff to handle requests through 'unofficial' channels?
<snip>
Welcome back to .co.uk erol. What have you been doing for the past month? :)
It may indeed be better off dead. nthw.com was a good support site before ntl bought it, so there's no reason why this site can't be a good support site outside of ntl control. We have an established community here, we have good moderators - not to hard, but not lax either - and now, thanks to this latest piece of stunning ntl mismanagement, we have floods of .com members over here, some of whom are bound to be staffers who want to help us poor customers out!
I'm sad to see .com go, but really, they signed its death warrant by announcing the Community site, because that announcement led to the creation of this site - an alternative forum whose aim was primarily not to $lag off .com but to replace it as a good source of help and interesting chat. That's the big strength of nthw.co.uk in comparison to some alternatives I've seen ;)
EDIT for censor bot (oops!)
You may be right, but this forum will never have the close links into ntl's staff that dotcom had and IMO be sure ntl will slap censures on any staff who openly post here. :disturbd:
downquark1
21-11-2003, 15:28
In fact - http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/22/34133.html has appeared there already - damn but they are quick !!
They did it so quick they messed up the URL.
And this one 'aint a guest now either! Hi!
:ghugs:
Welcome, purenuman! :wavey:
@DQ and basa - I think you're right, NTL won't like their staff posting on here, the question is how will they stop them?
You may be right, but this forum will never have the close links into ntl's staff that dotcom had and IMO be sure ntl will slap censures on any staff who openly post here. :disturbd:
.Com didn't have in the early day either .... NTL staff are welcome, but we can all help each other out ... this is a community that thay have NO control over.... NTL staff can be assured anonimity (MODS please comment) ..
You may be right, but this forum will never have the close links into ntl's staff that dotcom had and IMO be sure ntl will slap censures on any staff who openly post here. :disturbd:
Unfortunately I think you may be right :( hopefully NTL will realise the error of their ways and allow their staff to be as helpful here as they were on .com (or even re-open .com in its old form and allow their staff to post without prejudice... )
but then again - I'm not holding my breath..
... 90 online now. :rofl: :rofl:
.... NTL staff can be assured anonimity (MODS please comment) ..
Not whilst at work !!!!!
Sociable
21-11-2003, 15:32
Maybe all the .com refugees who have just come on over here would like to introduce themselves in this thread and tell us what they think of NTL's decision to shut their forum?
Was a member here right from that very first evening what seems a lifetime ago but over later months have to confess to only being a lurker here and a poster there, largely because I thought the concept of a "Company" owned site but run my the "users£ was such a great concept it was worth fighting for.
As linda has said we were just starting to see some real progress towards building a revitalised evolution of that idea but perversly this is the very time they choose to slam the door on that cooperation.
Health reason have always meant I have to be careful not to spread myslef to thin so looks like I will be able to make this site my home from home now and particpate here rather than just lurk.
(Sorry to repeat my earlier request but desperate to get a copy of my post in the "Ambitions" thread Linda refers too so if anyone can assist they will be friends for life.) :romance:
but then again - I'm not holding my breath..
Don't, we wouldn't want you to suffocate :D
well i wasn't surprised to see that .com has been closed even temp....
will be interesting to see who starts posting on here :D
:wavey: well welcome to the refugees (as someone called them)
Not whilst at work !!!!!
unfortunately this is likely to be the case...
Lets hope NTL do not get <even more> heavy handed and start discouraging staff from doing what they do best (given the opertunity) - helping us, the customer :D
well i wasn't surprised to see that .com has been closed even temp....
will be interesting to see who starts posting on here :D
:wavey: well welcome to the refugees (as someone called them)
Well the lifeboats are out, everybody welcome, and this ship aint gonna sink. :D
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 15:37
unfortunately this is likely to be the case...
Lets hope NTL do not get <even more> heavy handed and start discouraging staff from doing what they do best (given the opertunity) - helping us, the customer :D
i also fear this is likely to be the case :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: ntl
25 guests now viewing this thread , does anyone know how many members there were before today and how many there are now ????????????
Was a member here right from that very first evening what seems a lifetime ago but over later months have to confess to only being a lurker here and a poster there, largely because I thought the concept of a "Company" owned site but run my the "users£ was such a great concept it was worth fighting for.
I was away for the weekend when .co.uk opened - saw Russ spamming .com with the URL and then couldn't do anything about it until I got home! The suspense was awful (or am I just very sad? :disturbd:). Anyhows, I moved over here because, much as the .com model was a good one (ntl-owned, but at arms length) I saw too much evidence of the 'arm' getting shorter and also because I think one well-supported site is more effective than a number of smaller ones. With the writing apparently on the wall for .com I saw this site as the place to get into for the long term.
Appears I may have been right, although I won't be celebrating the demise of .com. As a customer-founded protest site it has been extraordinarily successful and deserves its place in history.
Sociable
21-11-2003, 15:39
Re the story in the Register one phrase sticks out:
" No one at NTL was available for comment at the time of writing."
Nice to know they can be constant on some policies if not the original commitments they made when buying the nthellworld.com domain. :)
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 15:40
If you believe that etc, then you must believe the Earth is flat, just like KA's imagination. ;)
listen mate.... it is flat - look out your window! :sleep:
:naughty:
i also fear this is likely to be the case :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: ntl
The bigger community we have, the more we can help each other. There are still some issues that can only be dealt with via NTL, but we can still show the best way to approach, or even the best people to approach.
Even if the site is closed, there is a wealth of knowledge about contacts, email addys etc that can be used.
i also fear this is likely to be the case :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: ntl
which would be a real shame - real progress was beginning to be made on .com by people who wanted to make it a really worthwhile resource... It would be a great pity to waste the ability and willingness shown by these people by preventing them from assisting on a site that NTL have no control over..
Welcome back to .co.uk erol. What have you been doing for the past month? :)
Well according to Neil I have been repsonsible for the 'suspension' of NTHW by once again trying to start reasoned discussion on ways users can work togeather to help each other, and being suspended there for it* :)
Other than that, just the usual. To be honest I am still very cautious about posting here and contributing on any regular basis. For me, and even more so given what has occured on .com in the past, trust in those running a site such as this is a vital requirment of a 'user' site. I am still unsure if I trust those running this site. That's not personal. It's not an attack on those running it, who may be for all I know entirely trustworthy. It's just a reflection of the history of this site and .com and the continued 'secracy' over who the mods here now were on .com before. Sorry if this seems like a 'disruptive' post. I am simply trying to be a straight and honest as I can about why I remain 'cautious' about any consistent participation here.
Just to be clear, I am asking for nothing here. I am suggesting nothing here. I am simply stating why my personal participation is limited here, and it may well be that such is actually the best thing for this site.
Peace.
102 now on the site, 54 of them guests.
There used to be a 'most users ever online' stat at the foot of the front page before we got this new version of vBulletin. Can anyone remember what the figure was, or can one of the Admins reveal some of the site stats for us? Are we anywhere near record attendance figures?
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 15:43
102 now on the site, 54 of them guests.
There used to be a 'most users ever online' stat at the foot of the front page before we got this new version of vBulletin. Can anyone remember what the figure was, or can one of the Admins reveal some of the site stats for us? Are we anywhere near record attendance figures?
where are you getting the figures from towny ???????????
Well according to Neil I have been repsonsible for the 'suspension' of NTHW by once again trying to start reasoned discussion on ways users can work togeather to help each other, and being suspended there for it* :)
Other than that, just the usual. To be honest I am still very cautious about posting here and contributing on any regular basis. For me, and even more so given what has occured on .com in the past, trust in those running a site such as this is a vital requirment of a 'user' site. I am still unsure if I trust those running this site. That's not personal. It's not an attack on those running it, who may be for all I know entirely trustworthy. It's just a reflection of the history of this site and .com and the continued 'secracy' over who the mods here now were on .com before. Sorry if this seems like a 'disruptive' post. I am simply trying to be a straight and honest as I can about why I remain 'cautious' about any consistent participation here.
Just to be clear, I am asking for nothing here. I am suggesting nothing here. I am simply stating why my personal participation is limited here, and it may well be that such is actually the best thing for this site.
Peace.
Well, I for one am glad you will still be posting (if only a limited amount) as I have found you to be very helpfull when having issues (either myself or other forum members)..
I know - sounds like a mutual appreciation society :zzz: - but it is always nice to know that there are people who will say what they mean. :D
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 15:45
where are you getting the figures from towny ???????????
here http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/online.php?
Sociable
21-11-2003, 15:47
where are you getting the figures from towny ???????????
The bottom of this window shows stats and I think it seperates out the overall one on the main forum index page.
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 15:47
I find it hard to blame Erolz considering he was suspended at the time the site was closed.
If anything, and I dont mean this in a nasty way, Erolz's suspension slowed things down a little so there was even less excuse to close the site.
where are you getting the figures from towny ???????????
Main index>currently active users
where are you getting the figures from towny ???????????Just looking at the panel at the bottom of the forum front page.
EDIT: And it's 109 users now ;)
I find it hard to blame Erolz considering he was suspended at the time the site was closed.
If anything, and I dont mean this in a nasty way, Erolz's suspension slowed things down a little so there was even less excuse to close the site.
But the other point for closing was CJ .... posting on another site !!!!!
Flubflow
21-11-2003, 15:50
Hello everyone. :wavey:
As you can see I've just joined (came from the .com site after around 600+ posts).
I've often viewed these forums as a guest and it has always seemed a nice place with lots of familiar usernames.
:ghugs:
Hello everyone. :wavey:
As you can see I've just joined (came from the .com site after around 600+ posts).
I've often viewed these forums as a guest and it has always seemed a nice place with lots of familiar usernames.
:ghugs:
Well welcome, feel free to comment and browse, we don't bite :D
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 15:51
Hello everyone. :wavey:
As you can see I've just joined (came from the .com site after around 600+ posts).
I've often viewed these forums as a guest and it has always seemed a nice place with lots of familiar usernames.
:ghugs:
welcome flubflow
I find it hard to blame Erolz considering he was suspended at the time the site was closed.
If anything, and I dont mean this in a nasty way, Erolz's suspension slowed things down a little so there was even less excuse to close the site.
NOTE : this is an opinion - please do not flame :D
I think that NTL have been looking for an excuse for a while, and when a good one failed to arrive, they decided to "temporarily" close the site to cause all the members to go elsewhere...
Bad for .com - good for .co.uk (which I hope will continue in its current, helpful way)
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 15:52
here http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/online.php?
got it now thanks all , aint i :dozey:
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 15:52
But the other point for closing was CJ .... posting on another site !!!!!
erm so closing .com would stop CJ posting on the other site!
I like it. Does Ashley perhaps have a couple of drinks at lunch time? or does he make stupid descisions like this when he's stone cold sober?
Well I hope this site doesn't turn into what .com became now that all the people
(good and bad) from there are coming here.
when .com became unfriendly, unhelpful and badly moderated I left. I don't want to leave here as well. so can the mods please make sure that the friendly community that has developed here remains here.
and one final point concerning .com, as my gran would say, good riddance to the rubbish.
;)
Sociable
21-11-2003, 15:54
But the other point for closing was CJ .... posting on another site !!!!!
Smart move to close down on the one place they could guarantee a right of reply then. :dunce:
Really though, as both the "named" people in the decison were already suspended and one in fact banned, the decison was unsupportable for the reasons that were given. :nono: NTL
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 15:54
erm so closing .com would stop CJ posting on the other site!
I like it. Does Ashley perhaps have a couple of drinks at lunch time? or does he make stupid descisions like this when he's stone cold sober?
would it have been his decision anyway or would it have come from above
;)
i wonder if this the fastest growing thread ever :spin:
i am struggling to keep up with it :D
erm so closing .com would stop CJ posting on the other site!
I like it. Does Ashley perhaps have a couple of drinks at lunch time? or does he make stupid descisions like this when he's stone cold sober?
:nono: Now now etc. :nono: this is way below you.. :Peace:
( I am not disgreeing with the sentiment though :smokin: )
Well I hope this site doesn't turn into what .com became now that all the people
(good and bad) from there are coming here.
when .com became unfriendly, unhelpful and badly moderated I left. I don't want to leave here as well. so can the mods please make sure that the friendly community that has developed here remains here.
and one final point concerning .com, as my gran would say, good riddance to the rubbish.
;)I'd agree with that sentiment, as much as I don't want to see heavy handed moderation, i would like to keep the sense of community we have here.
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 15:57
I'd agree with that sentiment, as much as I don't want to see heavy ahnded moderation, i would like to keep the sense of community we have here.
i cant see why it should degenerate as long as it is properly moderated ;)
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 15:57
I'd agree with that sentiment, as much as I don't want to see heavy ahnded moderation, i would like to keep the sense of community we have here.
what heavy handed moderation it was good
what heavy handed moderation it was good
Not all the time
Smart move to close down on the one place they could guarantee a right of reply then. :dunce:
Really though, as both the "named" people in the decison were already suspended and one in fact banned, the decison was unsupportable for the reasons that were given. :nono: NTL
It was Neil who claimed that it was my and CJ's behaviour that led to the closure of the site, not NTL's reason, just to be clear on that point. Of course as the longest serving 'mod' there and the main 'power' behind the team there, he bears no personal culpability what so ever for what has happened to the site under his guardianship. It is all down to me and CJ, according to him.
Sociable
21-11-2003, 16:01
I'd agree with that sentiment, as much as I don't want to see heavy handed moderation, i would like to keep the sense of community we have here.
Delighted to hear that given the effort I and others had put in on the other site to duplicate that "Feel" on .com only to have it prevented from paying its dividend just days after finally getting to that point.
dialanothernumb
21-11-2003, 16:01
NOTE : this is an opinion - please do not flame :D
I think that NTL have been looking for an excuse for a while, and when a good one failed to arrive, they decided to "temporarily" close the site to cause all the members to go elsewhere...
Bad for .com - good for .co.uk (which I hope will continue in its current, helpful way)
I agree, I think they have been looking for an excuse. Far better than to have to £really explain the role of .com if community fully launched.
I had been following the "future" threads a bit over the last while and I don't really think the threads were either helpful or harmful to .coms fate as such. The threads did eventually start to make for dreary reading though (I'm not going into why or who's fault this was because its irrelevant)
If community takes off and successfully delivers on mild to moderate technical issues, then great. the .co.uk site is for that "little bit extra" for "gripes" and for the social aspect. Since a fair chunk of the active and social community is already here or will soon join, have we really lost ANYTHING?
I'd like to make an appeal. Those who've joined from .com and who've been involved in the more intense debates (such as Erol and Neil) Can you let byegones be byegones and start afresh. No revisting history or apportioning blame, just getting on with being a community? That would be a great "way ahead"
Now where's me mate UDT?
It was Neil who claimed that it was my and CJ's behaviour that led to the closure of the site, not NTL's reason, just to be clear on that point. Of course as the longest serving 'mod' there and the main 'power' behind the team there, he bears no personal culpability what so ever for what has happened to the site under his guardianship. It is all down to me and CJ, according to him.
That may have been said in the heat of the moment .... lets not have a personal argument here ....:nono:
what heavy handed moderation it was good
There was a stage (a while back now) where anything that was nasty about NTL got jumped on by one of the then moderators :grind: , I seem to recall there was a phase of a certain element posting stuff on one forum about the other in order to stir things up a bit. :shrug:
That was some time ago - and .com was working well from a user perspective before they decided to pull the plug :(
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 16:02
It was Neil who claimed that it was my and CJ's behaviour that led to the closure of the site, not NTL's reason, just to be clear on that point. Of course as the longest serving 'mod' there and the main 'power' behind the team there, he bears no personal culpability what so ever for what has happened to the site under his guardianship. It is all down to me and CJ, according to him.
cant see it being down to a couple of people somehow
:nono:
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 16:03
good point... pointing the finger of blame is easy. it was a cheap shot in my opinion to blame Erolz and Craig or anyone for that matter. other than the person who pulled the plug.
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 16:06
good point... pointing the finger of blame is easy. it was a cheap shot in my opinion to blame Erolz and Craig or anyone for that matter. other than the person who pulled the plug.
who will probably remain nameless for all of eternity :naughty:
good point... pointing the finger of blame is easy. it was a cheap shot in my opinion to blame Erolz and Craig or anyone for that matter. other than the person who pulled the plug.
Agreed - lets just get on with helping each other here, and keep away from "blamestorming" the past. :romance:
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 16:08
Agreed - lets just get on with helping each other here, and keep away from "blamestorming" the past. :romance:
Thats what its about helping newbies and other members, and trying to get NTL to smell the roses
Agreed - lets just get on with helping each other here, and keep away from "blamestorming" the past. :romance:
'Blamestorming' - now that's a good word.
/writes it down in order to use in future posts
I think we should all get in the habit of using this smiley: :ghugs:
'Blamestorming' - now that's a good word.
/writes it down in order to use in future posts
I think we should all get in the habit of using this smiley: :ghugs:
It is a very good word - best thing ever to come from the US..
Just for you - :ghugs:
'Blamestorming' - now that's a good word.
/writes it down in order to use in future posts
I think we should all get in the habit of using this smiley: :ghugs:
Yep ... :ghugs:
Maybe someone can help me here..... what I don't understand is Mick and Neil announcing their arrival here when it is them who infact run the site under alias's. Its been said on another site that Neil is Andre and Mick is Dr Plummer.
Maybe someone could explain it to me.
Maybe someone can help me here..... what I don't understand is Mick and Neil announcing their arrival here when it is them who infact run the site under alias's. Its been said on another site that Neil is Andre and Mick is Dr Plummer.
Maybe someone could explain it to me.
I was waiting for this to come up .... WHO CARES !!!!
Maybe someone can help me here..... what I don't understand is Mick and Neil announcing their arrival here when it is them who infact run the site under alias's. Its been said on another site that Neil is Andre and Mick is Dr Plummer.
Maybe someone could explain it to me.
Ouch......!!! :rofl:
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 16:12
Maybe someone can help me here..... what I don't understand is Mick and Neil announcing their arrival here when it is them who infact run the site under alias's. Its been said on another site that Neil is Andre and Mick is Dr Plummer.
Maybe someone could explain it to me.
is it ???????????????
:ghugs:
I'll miss something from the .com site - Orangebirds's Avatar - that was always cute :)
Maybe someone can help me here..... what I don't understand is Mick and Neil announcing their arrival here when it is them who infact run the site under alias's. Its been said on another site that Neil is Andre and Mick is Dr Plummer.
Maybe someone could explain it to me.
Yes, this has been stated ad nauseam by various mischief makers on this forum and elsewhere. However I have seen Russ post more than once that this is emphatically not true. And I completely trust Russ not to tell a direct and blatant lie.
That settles it as far as I'm concerned.
:ghugs:
Pointman
21-11-2003, 16:13
Well at least it'll save me jumping between sites for a while, trying to keep up with all your feedback.
I was waiting for this to come up .... WHO CARES !!!!
Well I don't let it keep me awake at night, but personally I don't think it lends them much credability by coming on pretending to have just arrived and Mick asking the mods to change his name to Minder, and hes the mod ? I'm at a loss.
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 16:13
:D Maybe someone can help me here..... what I don't understand is Mick and Neil announcing their arrival here when it is them who infact run the site under alias's. Its been said on another site that Neil is Andre and Mick is Dr Plummer.
Maybe someone could explain it to me.Thought that had been put to bed as a rumour spread by others next you will say Fraz is Russ
is it ???????????????
So we are "reliably" informed :erm: :erm: :erm:
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 16:14
So we are "reliably" informed :erm: :erm: :erm:
By who
I was waiting for this to come up .... WHO CARES !!!!
i agree with nemmy.....
afaik the person who has said that neil and mike are andre and dr p is cj....is he a reliable source???
With respect to all concerned here, it was me who was on the conference call when the 'suspension' of the site was announced, & not the people who are debating this.
The site had become unmanageable thanks to Erol & his 'user empowerment' mission-fact.
The threads he created dominated the site, & customer issues were getting overlooked-fact.
The site was not there for people to boost their egos with their grand plans of how things should be done, it was their to help customers who had been let down by ntl.
We all know that ntl customer service sucks at times, but creating multiple threads & dominating the site with suggestions doesn't help the people posting for help & getting missed.
As I have said before-Erol's ideas are good (nothing that we haven't suggested to ntl before though), but the way he went about his 'quest' was all wrong, & the disruption it caused was unacceptable.
What should have happened was that Erol (or whoever) should have forst approached the NTHW Team (out of courtesy if nothing else), with this proposition, & we could have taken it (with Erol) to ntl to see if they were even interested in the ideas. What I didn't want to happen was for Erol (or whoever) to waste people's time collating all the info he had suggested, only to take it to ntl & for it to disappear into a black hole (like most of the ideas we have taken to them)-that is a complete waste of everybody's time & energy, & not in any way helpful to man nor beast.
I was/we were there to help customers who posted asking for help-starting multiple threads on the subject was counter productive to that-fact.
(sorry for rambling-I hope that makes sense)
[Edit]-Spelling
[Edit]-Also-I really don't want to debate this whole situation any more, I didn't come here to debate it-I came here to offer my help to users of the site.
I really have had enough this afternoon, please remember that it is only a few hours since I heard that .com was being 'suspended'
:D Thought that had been put to bed as a rumour spread by others next you will say Fraz is Russ
:eek:
Now that would explain a few things!
;)
:ghugs:
By who
By CJ who apparantly was part of this team when the site was set up, but left. Frankly I find it hard to trust any of them after the soap opera that I read on nthell but I didn't see Neil or Mick denying it.
Well I don't let it keep me awake at night, but personally I don't think it lends them much credability by coming on pretending to have just arrived and Mick asking the mods to change his name to Minder, and hes the mod ? I'm at a loss.There's a number of rumours .... and probably reasons behind each and every one of them.
This site is well run, fairly moderated, helpful and has managed to produce a real sense of community.
The only thing it lacks is the CLT input ....
It may be run by people who have been on .Com, but I can understand their reasons for anonimity, if these rumours end up being true.
Remember where theses rumours came from ....
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 16:16
i agree with nemmy.....
afaik the person who has said that neil and mike are andre and dr p is cj....is he a reliable source???
you surely couldnt have cj on here could you , people would spot it a mile off i reckon :(
I read on nthell
I think we've spotted the problem then.
:eek:
Now that would explain a few things!
;)
:ghugs:
aren't u pleased i asked dr p to find a hug smilie? :p
:ghugs:
thanks for the post neil...explained some stuff methinks
The last thread on .com can be viewed here (http://www.ukclan.barrysworld.net/nthellworld.htm).
No offense to this site but I like many others found .com a valuable resource and I for one hope it will return soon in some form or another. If not lets hope that as many people form the old site find this place and get the same level help (or better!) from this site.
So we are "reliably" informed :erm: :erm: :erm:
I have to say -
1 - IF this is true (big if) does it really matter ? :erm:
2 - If not - lets not get off to a flaming start to this phase of the forum (which I can only think will continue to grow and grow with .com down). :D
3 - If Russ says it ain't so - then I for one am happy with that. :D
as ever - feel free to ignore my opinions :beer:
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 16:19
With respect to all concerned here, it was me who was on the conference call when the 'suspension' of the site was announced, & not the people who are debating this.
The site had become unmanageable thanks to Erol & his 'user empowerment' mission-fact.
The threads he created dominated the site, & customer issues were getting overlooked-fact.
The site was not there for people to boost their egos with their grand plans of how things should be done, it was their to help customers who had been let down by ntl.
We all know that ntl customer service sucks at times, but creating myltiple threads & dominating the site with suggestions doesn't help the people posting for help & getting missed.
As I have said before-Erol's ideas are good (nothing that we haven't suggested to ntl before though), but the way he went about his 'quest' was all wrong, & the disruption it caused was unacceptable.
What should have happened was that Erol (or whoever) should have forst approached the NTHW Team (out of courtesy if nothing else), with this proposition, & we could have taken it (with Erol) to ntl to see if they were even interested in the ideas. What I didn't want to happen was for Erol (or whoever) to waste people's time collating all the info he had suggested, only to take it to ntl & for it to disappear into a black hole (like most of the ideas we have taken to them)-that is a complete waste of everybody's time & energy, & not in any way helpful to man nor beast.
I was/we were there to help customers who posted asking for help-starting multiple threads on the subject was counter productive to that-fact.
(sorry for rambling-I hope that makes sense)
sorry but if that was the case then why wasnt it moderated instead of the site being shutdown , btw im not having a go neil :)
cjmillsnun
21-11-2003, 16:20
Personally I think .com is dead for good.
I also think that the moderation ONLY became heavy handed after NTL took over, and that CJ was the main culprit.
I feel like welcoming anyone from .com over here, and because of this sites ownership, have no fears about the style changing
you surely couldnt have cj on here could you , people would spot it a mile off i reckon :(
:erm: dont understand what ur saying huni
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 16:21
:erm: dont understand what ur saying huni
usually his tone gives him away
:rolleyes:
I/we -(Myself/Neil/Mick) do not run .co.uk! I'm getting sick of hearing it - I have registered on here to express my views and I'm sure the mods/admins don't mind this (I hope)
With all the goings on recently about the future of the site and all in my eyes it was only time that was stopping this happening. Erolz - you havenââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t made it any easier thatââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s for sure and I too believe that you have played a part in getting .com shut down for however long (forever?)
For that I will never forgive you as *if* NTL do decide to "pull the plug" then they will be making a massive mistake.
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 16:21
With respect to all concerned here, it was me who was on the conference call when the 'suspension' of the site was announced, & not the people who are debating this.
The site had become unmanageable thanks to Erol & his 'user empowerment' mission-fact.
The threads he created dominated the site, & customer issues were getting overlooked-fact.
The site was not there for people to boost their egos with their grand plans of how things should be done, it was their to help customers who had been let down by ntl.
We all know that ntl customer service sucks at times, but creating myltiple threads & dominating the site with suggestions doesn't help the people posting for help & getting missed...............
but this doesnt make sense as Erolz was suspended a long time before the site was closed and you had agreed this morning that site discussion was now a lot better (cant quote your exact words as the site is not available!).
the fact is, the site was working fine when it was taken down. the multi threads issue had been resolved (by Erolz suspension) and the site discussion was down to one thread which had become extremely pleasant.
suggesting that this was all about boosting egos is insulting to those people contributing constuctively in that thread.
I think we've spotted the problem then.
I don't really get involved in the politics of the different sites. I just read what people say. In the soap opera of a thread where CJ, Neil and Mick had words I didn't see Neil or Mick dispute what CJ had said regarding the mods of this site.
I have to say -
1 - IF this is true (big if) does it really matter ? :erm:
Personally I couldn't care less who runs this site. If its run well and helps people thats all that matters. However... if it is true it means people are lying. If thats the case I think that negatively impacts on helping people.
good point... pointing the finger of blame is easy. it was a cheap shot in my opinion to blame Erolz and Craig or anyone for that matter. other than the person who pulled the plug.
I DO hope that it was not because of anything that I said of Ashg!!
Such as what I posted recently on .com ---
Does Ashg really not have an inkling on what to do about this site and what this site's future is to be after how many months? 6/9 months, and he still doesn't know!. Perhaps someone else at ntl would be able to figure it out.
He's either given up completely, or pulled the plug to try and think of something, with a bit of peace and quiet. Or could be, there is to be a change at the top, and management are going to allow him to move on to his full potential. ;)
usually his tone gives him away
:rolleyes:
i never said cj was on this site, i merely said that afaik....from what i have heard from others, it is cj whom is telling people of neil/mike/franks involvement in this site
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 16:23
I/we -(Myself/Neil/Mick) do not run .co.uk! I'm getting sick of hearing it - I have registered on here to express my views and I'm sure the mods/admins don't mind this (I hope)
With all the goings on recently about the future of the site and all in my eyes it was only time that was stopping this happening. Erolz - you havenââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t made it any easier thatââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s for sure and I too believe that you have played a part in getting .com shut down for however long (forever?)
For that I will never forgive you as *if* NTL do decide to "pull the plug" then they will be making a massive mistake.
please lets dont get into a slanging match for this sites / threads sake :(
Yip! That free speach malarky!!
What a problem that is eh?
Free speech is great, that's what we do on this site.
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 16:24
For that I will never forgive you as *if* NTL do decide to "pull the plug" then they will be making a massive mistake.
Erolz was a member working within the rules. He was suspended when he broke those. To now pile the blame on him and use words like "I will never forgive you"..... oh dear!
but this doesnt make sense as Erolz was suspended a long time before the site was closed and you had agreed this morning that site discussion was now a lot better (cant quote your exact words as the site is not available!).
the fact is, the site was working fine when it was taken down. the multi threads issue had been resolved (by Erolz suspension) and the site discussion was down to one thread which had become extremely pleasant.
suggesting that this was all about boosting egos is insulting to those people contributing constuctively in that thread.
come on guys - lets not get into that "blamestorming" phase (sorry but I like the word :blush: )
whatever caused it, we need to concentrate on moving forwards, not looking back. :angel:
Erolz was a member working within the rules. He was suspended when he broke those. To now pile the blame on him and use words like "I will never forgive you"..... oh dear!
Hey can we calm it .... .Com is suspended ... if you have issues with Neil/Ben/Mick then take it to PM ....
Now play nice ... please :D
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 16:27
:angel: wonder what UDT will make of all this :D
How you can blame Erolz is frankly beyond me.
:angel: wonder what UDT will make of all this :D
:LOL:
dialanothernumb
21-11-2003, 16:29
Oh Bloody heck! Now this thread really IS looking like it was imported from .com
Neil, Erol and all others who feel pee'd off one way or another, I really understand that you are annoyed, but please just DROP the past! Everyone will have a view, everyone gets a chance to move on! Unfinished Business (no not a user name!) could easily be discussed elsewhere surely
Oh Bloody heck! Now this thread really IS looking like it was imported from .com
Neil, Erol and all others who feel pee'd off one way or another, I really understand that you are annoyed, but please just DROP the past! Everyone will have a view, everyone gets a chance to move on! Unfinished Business (no not a user name!) could easily be discussed elsewhere surely
Take it to PM or MSN .... don't spoil our forum ..
:Peaceman:
Yes, this is a nice place full of nice people who (usually) disagree nicely! Let's keep it that way!
Take it to PM or MSN .... don't spoil our forum ..
Once again I am forced to agree - I haven't been this agreeable for ages :D
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 16:34
Take it to PM or MSN .... don't spoil our forum ..
well said , dont spoil it for the majority please , the last thing i want to see is thread suspended :Peaceman: please ;)
102 now on the site, 54 of them guests.
There used to be a 'most users ever online' stat at the foot of the front page before we got this new version of vBulletin. Can anyone remember what the figure was, or can one of the Admins reveal some of the site stats for us? Are we anywhere near record attendance figures?
Apologies if this has already been answered, but this thread is moving too fast for my ickle brain to keep up. Towny if you look at http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/online.php? then at the top it says the stat for most users online. [Higlighted in attachment if you cant find it]
Welcome to all the new members :ghugs:
Seb
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 16:35
come on guys - lets not get into that "blamestorming" phase (sorry but I like the word :blush: )
whatever caused it, we need to concentrate on moving forwards, not looking back. :angel:
sorry mate. I just wasnt happy with the idea of it going on record that Erolz or anyone other than the plug puller was to blame for this.
Apologies if this has already been answered, but this thread is moving too fast for my ickle brain to keep up. Towny if you look at http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/online.php? then at the top it says the stat for most users online. [Higlighted in attachment if you cant find it]
Welcome to all the new members :ghugs:
SebGot it now ... thanks Seb, I was just looking at the forum front page for my stats. :tu:
sorry mate. I just wasnt happy with the idea of it going on record that Erolz or anyone other than the plug puller was to blame for this.
NP, just didn't want to see a flame war start up.
:ghugs:
The site had become unmanageable thanks to Erol & his 'user empowerment' mission-fact.
One user, me, was able to make the site unmanagable by posting 3 constructive threads in a row and getting suspended for it? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?
The threads he created dominated the site, & customer issues were getting overlooked-fact.
Three threads, quickly merged into one (all constructive btw) dominated the site? The only customers that were not getting help were those that I could of helped personaly (as I had been doing consistently for some time previous) but was unable to help because of my suspension.
The site was not there for people to boost their egos with their grand plans of how things should be done, it was their to help customers who had been let down by ntl.
Was it there so you could make constant accusations about me and my ego?
We all know that ntl customer service sucks at times, but creating myltiple threads & dominating the site with suggestions doesn't help the people posting for help & getting missed.
Three threads, quickly merged into one and my being suspended can not be considered 'domination' of the site by any reasonable person imo. There was only one set of people 'dominating' the site and I was not one of them.
As I have said before-Erol's ideas are good (nothing that we haven't suggested to ntl before though), but the way he went about his 'quest' was all wrong, & the disruption it caused was unacceptable.
No you have said before that the ideas were 'pointless' or simply ignored them in the past. If my actions were unacceptable, as you clearly thought they were, then you had the power and did suspend me.
What should have happened was that Erol (or whoever) should have forst approached the NTHW Team (out of courtesy if nothing else), with this proposition, & we could have taken it (with Erol) to ntl to see if they were even interested in the ideas. What I didn't want to happen was for Erol (or whoever) to waste people's time collating all the info he had suggested, only to take it to ntl & for it to disappear into a black hole (like most of the ideas we have taken to them)-that is a complete waste of everybody's time & energy, & not in any way helpful to man nor beast.
The whole point of each of the three ideas I posted, that earnt my suspension, were that they were collaborative, constructvie things that users could do _regardless_ of any support from the NTHW mods or NTL. Take the 'user stats' idea. Every time previously when this had been mentioned by myself or others in the past it was ignored by the mods. When they did finally comment on the idea, they first suggested that it breached NTLs company confidentiality. When this was pointed out as being ridiculous, they then said it was pointless becuase the site was being closed soon anyway. Finaly they said that it was pointless for users to collect stats themesleves, unless NTL has first 'agreed' to this, which was totaly _not_ the point of such an idea. So given this historic response to this idea, the right way to have suggested it in your opinion was first to submit it to yourself ? Add to that that you have used every opportunity to rubbish me personaly are you really suggesting that if it had been suggested to you privately first, you would have been able to put aside you personal issue with me and view it fairly and dispaionately? The inof I suggested be collected was for users, by users. The suggestion was for thsoe that _wanted too_ to collect such stats. If you though it was piointless all you had to do was leave those that did not to get on with it.
I was/we were there to help customers who posted asking for help-starting multiple threads on the subject was counter productive to that-fact.
(sorry for rambling-I hope that makes sense)
I am sorry for bringing this up here. I will not be adding to this 'defense; any more. I have no wish to 'burden' this site with my and Neils 'spat. I have made my response and will leave it at that. Appologies to all here. Like I say I will not be posting here on any regular basis and will refrain from posting here for a minimum of one week, least accusations be raised against me that I am trying to 'dominate' this site.
downquark1
21-11-2003, 16:40
If .com is closed I feel sorry for all those 'anti-.co.uk' who have to swallow their pride and register here.
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 16:41
erol can we stop this repercusions no need for it you both have different views
Any one got a spare keyboard, i think i have worn out my F5 key having to refresh all the time?? :D
Graham F
21-11-2003, 16:43
I think its a shame that dot com has finally gone, which in my opinion it has. Maybe they might even get community launched :rofl: :rofl:
I think its a shame that dot com has finally gone, which in my opinion it has. Maybe they might even get community launched :rofl: :rofl:http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showpost.php?p=83534&postcount=14 :D LOL
I can understand your view point Nor and I know we have never really seen eye to eye on many occasions but if you believe everything that Craig posts is fact, then your gullible as you can ever get. I'd rather not start debating about Craig, because quite frankly the subject bores me rigid. He is water under the bridge as far as I am concerned and the Earth does not orbit him as much as he would like it to. If nthw.com is closed for good, we need to move on, not let history get in the way. You may not trust me now, but I hope in the future I can earn your trust.
Fair enough Mick. I don't really have a major issue with you. Just that one incident where I felt you were wrong when you merged 2 threads which were on completely different subjects just because they had the same title. But, in the grand scheme of things its hardly that important Sadly I felt your inability to see the error and additionally the deletion of all posts which showed you were wrong damaged your reputation in my eyes, but lets not get back into that.
After reading all the stuff on nthell I have to say, in my eyes, nobody came out of it looking squeaky clean and I imagine the truth of it all lies somewhere in the grey area in between. The only reason I brought up the mod thing is that I didn't see you dispute it. If you say you aren't a mod/admin of this site and have never been (and never been involved in running it in any way) then I'm prepared to believe you and will drop the whole subject. Not that I plan on carrying it on anyway.
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 16:45
erol can we stop this repercusions no need for it you both have different views
let the man have his right to reply.
(perhaps Erolz and Neil should have their own thread. :rofl: )
let the man have his right to reply.
(perhaps Erolz and Neil should have their own thread. :rofl: )
He has the right of reply ... just this forum is not the place to do it .. PM/MSN/EMAIL/PHONE but not here
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 16:47
let the man have his right to reply.
:rofl:
(perhaps Erolz and Neil should have their own thread. )
Good idea you going to add UDT as well:rofl:
Graham F
21-11-2003, 16:49
http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showpost.php?p=83534&postcount=14 :D LOL
Me wonders how I could of missed that in such a small, slow moving thread :dunce: :p
Me wonders how I could of missed that in such a small, slow moving thread :dunce: :p
LOL :rofl: :rofl: Sorry Scooby
Psychotext
21-11-2003, 16:51
Another former .com member here. I've been a customer of NTL's for about 7 years now and I'm one of the more critical of their service. I'm also the first to praise when they get something right. I'm not surprised about the closure of the site. Especially given some of the things covered on there lately (Not least the threads related to outsourcing and job losses).
Personally, I would be very very surprised if the closure of the site wasn't somehow related to this news story http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/34120.html (NTL to remove 2000 jobs). Again given their new use of outsourcing I doubt this news would have gone down too well on the forums for them.
Been lurking around here since NTL took over the other site. Seems pretty good and hopefully it will continue to be that way.
Good idea you going to add UDT as well:rofl:
:LOL: :rofl:
come on guys - lets get back to being nice ....
everyone has a right of reply, and this has now been replied to - lets just move on.
:ghugs:
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 16:52
He has the right of reply ... just this forum is not the place to do it .. PM/MSN/EMAIL/PHONE but not here
I disagree, if you had someone accuse you of ending a site then either you have the right to reply or the initial post containing those accusations is removed if you arent allowed the right to reply to it.
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 16:54
everyone has a right of reply, and this has now been replied to - lets just move on.
:ghugs:
ok baby! so back on topic... now the other site is 'down' .... do you think it would be possible to get NTL to put a link on the 'sorry .com is out of service page' linking to this site?
:shrug: do you think they'll take that suggestion on board?
Another former .com member here.
Welcome, psychotext :wavey:
Sociable
21-11-2003, 17:00
:LOL: :rofl:
come on guys - lets get back to being nice ....
everyone has a right of reply, and this has now been replied to - lets just move on.
:ghugs:
Ahhh but what if ALL these players are one and the same person would that mean they all have a right to talk to themselves. :smokin:
Sorry will behave now just couldn't resist and I honestly have no serious belief this is just a case of rabid scitzophrenia it just seemed a funny notion given all the who is who speculations.
:luv: Kiss and make up guys I for one intend to always remain "Sociable" :kiss:
ok baby! so back on topic... now the other site is 'down' .... do you think it would be possible to get NTL to put a link on the 'sorry .com is out of service page' linking to this site?
:shrug: do you think they'll take that suggestion on board?
somehow I doubt that - after all - they don't control this site. :angel:
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 17:02
perhaps they could just redirect all traffic to this site?
:rofl:
perhaps they could just redirect all traffic to this site?
:rofl:
I'll have whatever your smoking baby. :smokin: :rofl:
been registered here for a while(think since the site started) and posted here occasionally, it's no big secret that i've posted on .com a lot more frequently and more recently than here on co.uk, I shall now treat this as home instead.
For anybody that's interested or dosn't know, i was regestered as "tech_jon" on .com.
Jon
markmarkymark
21-11-2003, 17:21
Greetings All..
I did join some time ago - but not so active on here ...
cheers
Mark
been registered here for a while(think since the site started) and posted here occasionally, it's no big secret that i've posted on .com a lot more frequently and more recently than here on co.uk, I shall now treat this as home instead.
For anybody that's interested or dosn't know, i was regestered as "tech_jon" on .com.
Jon
:wavey: well will look forward to seeing lots of newer ppl posting here.....
so i was the opposite, i was a member on .com for a long time before i moved over here and then made this my home......i prefer it over here, it feels a lot more like a community :ghugs:
Well I'll just move over here until (if) .com rises from the ashes.
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 17:26
Greetings All..
I did join some time ago - but not so active on here ...
cheers
Mark
good to see some new / old faces
:tu:
bigitup_j
21-11-2003, 17:27
well...thought i'd better say something. so, goodbye .com, basically, hello community.ntl.com,
don't really have the same ring to it;
nthellworld...ntlcommunity.
nthw.co.uk is my new home...
:wavey:
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 17:29
Well I'll just move over here until (if) .com rises from the ashes.
meaning you prefer .com to this site i presume
well...thought i'd better say something. so, goodbye .com, basically, hello community.ntl.com,
don't really have the same ring to it;
nthellworld...ntlcommunity.
nthw.co.uk is my new home...
:wavey:
I think that will be the case for many of us - even if .com re-opens, it will take time to re-build its reputation and trust with those of us that remember the statement - "new owner - same team and service" (or something like that :grind: )
bigitup_j
21-11-2003, 17:31
i can't see ntl reopening nthw.com again, no point, as they'll just close it again and use the community forums.
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 17:33
I think that will be the case for many of us - even if .com re-opens, it will take time to re-build its reputation and trust with those of us that remember the statement - "new owner - same team and service" (or something like that :grind: )
IF it does it has lost most of my respect , i mean they couldnt even give a good excuse for it going apart from what neil posted or was he told to post it , not having a go at you neil btw , more to this than what has been said so far on there i reckon
I've been reading over here for a little while - a few weeks before today.
Seems pleasant enough here and I noticed a lack of trolls. It was never my intention to have a swipe at anyone :ninja: but I came close last night at .com and that would have been a shame.
wheeliebin
21-11-2003, 17:38
With respect to all concerned here, it was me who was on the conference call when the 'suspension' of the site was announced, & not the people who are debating this. The site had become unmanageable thanks to Erol & his 'user empowerment' mission-fact.
With respect to you Neil i think that NTHW.com has been under risk of this happening for some time now. I dont see how you and your admin team didnt see this coming. Trying to blame Erol is wrong imho. A discussion site is for discussing not censoring. I do beleive that if the NTHW.com admin team should have left along with frank. After all the .co.uk site has been here long enough. I believe that you as an admin are looking for others to blame as all you have lost is your admin role at .com . There will be plenty of customers needing help here, it may prove more worthwhile to stay here permanently and help customers who need it.
It seems to me that you are more intent on remaining as an admin at all costs otherwise you would have stood down a long time ago. I would guess that the .com site will be allowed to continue in a censored fashion, if this is the case will you stand down or carry on ?
I am not questioning your ability or willingness to help customers. I am however suggesting that you have lost sight of some things.
wheeliebin
21-11-2003, 17:41
:LOL:
LOL No doubt he will be getting OFTEL to sort it out :)
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 17:43
With respect to you Neil i think that NTHW.com has been under risk of this happening for some time now. I dont see how you and your admin team didnt see this coming. Trying to blame Erol is wrong imho. A discussion site is for discussing not censoring. I do beleive that if the NTHW.com admin team should have left along with frank. After all the .co.uk site has been here long enough. I believe that you as an admin are looking for others to blame as all you have lost is your admin role at .com . There will be plenty of customers needing help here, it may prove more worthwhile to stay here permanently and help customers who need it.
It seems to me that you are more intent on remaining as an admin at all costs otherwise you would have stood down a long time ago. I would guess that the .com site will be allowed to continue in a censored fashion, if this is the case will you stand down or carry on ?
I am not questioning your ability or willingness to help customers. I am however suggesting that you have lost sight of some things.
nice to see you here wheeliebin
wheeliebin
21-11-2003, 17:45
nice to see you here wheeliebin
Hi Theng .
Hope all is well in Castlefield!
You get about ;)
markmarkymark
21-11-2003, 17:45
Yo again
Must just say I have had a quick look around and its nice to see so many people here, and many people I recognise from .com. Further, clearly there is a massive amount of quality information here. I look really forward to being part of this ...
well done .co.uk - this site is mega
cheers
MArk
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 17:47
Hi Theng .
Hope all is well in Castlefield!
You get about ;)you geting your fields and tons mixed up:p
andygrif
21-11-2003, 17:50
good point... pointing the finger of blame is easy. it was a cheap shot in my opinion to blame Erolz and Craig or anyone for that matter. other than the person who pulled the plug.
Not to mention potentially libellous.
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 17:53
welcome aboard Andy. and wheelie bin. and marky mark.
Dee V. Bee
21-11-2003, 19:05
Oh well even though I don't have any NTL services but am a former employee, I will stick around here and help customers when I can.
This is the second time there has been a suicide note on the .com home page. Cry wolf too many times and people start to ignore you....
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 19:07
i wonder if this is truly nthellworld rising from the ashes of nthworld :tu:
So it has happened as predicted a long time ago that . com would indeed be closed i am sorry that it has come to this as i have made some real good friends on that site but then again who is to say i wont make some good friends on this site although i already am friends with some of the members here.
It is very easy to cast blame on who caused what i would therfore suggest that we stop trying to blame Mr X or Miss Y and get on with building this site up to the potential that i know it has that being said i would like to say..
Come on in and enjoy yourselves:drunk: lets have a party...
i wonder if this is truly nthellworld rising from the ashes of nthworld :tu:
That was the intention. I think NTL have proven (to me anyway) they excel in making a total pig's ars out of thing like this. Any credability they hoped to acheive from community has been well nuked in to oblivion. The whole buy-out of .com was a waste of time and money (and they didn't think of registering this site address??) so here we are, just as it was before they got the chequebook out, all the good guys are together again and NTL look silly.
A big welcome to all those joining from .Com .... Hope you like the site and the ppl. :D
:ghugs:
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 19:16
I just had a thought has anyone told Fraz its closed, he might be looking for the site :smokin:
I feel the ntlcommunity site will just a portal for NTL's usual standard of help ;)
(but I hope not). I think what NTL are doing by closing .com is a simple matter of hiding the bad publicity generated by the NTL bashing posts that the site contained. unfortunately with .com gone this site may well become the subject of ntl's attentions and liable lawsuits. OH! how I hope I'm wrong.
/*Pulls up chair, gets popcorn */
Let them bring it on .... :D
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 19:27
I just had a thought has anyone told Fraz its closed, he might be looking for the site :smokin:
its allright he is on TOS
Chimaera
21-11-2003, 19:28
I don't know if this has been said before (can't be bothered to trawl through all the posts!) BUT.......
does the ntl 'temporary' actually mean temporary or is it in the same vein as the ntl 'coming soon'? :D
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 19:34
I don't know if this has been said before (can't be bothered to trawl through all the posts!) BUT.......
does the ntl 'temporary' actually mean temporary or is it in the same vein as the ntl 'coming soon'? :D
your guess is as good as ours although i suspect it is terminal as in dead , anyway this site WILL from my point of view fully take over from it if it hasnt already , ok so it might not have the official presence that .com did but i reckon plenty of people with good useful knowledge will post in an unofficial capacity and help any members out that are in need , long live .co.uk :beer:
Has anyone seen fraz?
Oh I'm here sweety :kiss:
I don't think they'll have give the site the spanish archer yet. My opinion would be it will reopen minus the NTL sections.
The Diplomat
21-11-2003, 19:44
its allright he is on TOS
* jogs scratched record ;)
Sociable
21-11-2003, 19:47
/*Pulls up chair, gets popcorn */
Let them bring it on .... :D
Salt or butter?
LOL Talking of what individuals can bring to the site I have very good knowledge of the High Court and even Appeal Court prodedures both as a litigant in person and assisting others doing the same with good results on both counts so yeah bring it on ..........I wont let them :dmonk: with my mates,
Speaking of which I actually have an application for leave to appeal to the Court of Appeal being considered right now so feel free to send out a few "positive" :wavey: :wavey: if you feel so inclined.
paulyoung666
21-11-2003, 19:51
I don't think they'll have give the site the spanish archer yet. My opinion would be it will reopen minus the NTL sections.
by which you mean what , surely the ntl sections are the site not the xbox ps2 sections or are am i incredibly :confused:
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 19:53
Oh I'm here sweety :kiss:
thought you was lost in hypersapace lol
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 20:05
I guess it makes sense to close down the NTL topics and re-open the site. Then when people go there looking for help they'll see that it has truely developed into erm a site to talk about asylum seekers and all that kind of stuff.
:banghead: Ashley, this is you.... keep banging until you knock some sense into it.
Sociable
21-11-2003, 20:07
.... it has truely developed into erm a site to talk about asylum seekers and all that kind of stuff.
:banghead:
Nah I doubt they will want to talk about all us refugees way toooo embarassing :rofl:
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 20:08
Nah I doubt they will want to talk about all us refugees way toooo embarassing :rofl:
LMAO!!!!! SMART MAN!
:rofl:
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 20:12
I think its that Friday feeling at NTL the CAP broke on a Friday now.com they always do something daft on a Friday
Undisputedtruth
21-11-2003, 20:16
I don't know if this has been said before (can't be bothered to trawl through all the posts!) BUT.......
does the ntl 'temporary' actually mean temporary or is it in the same vein as the ntl 'coming soon'? :D
Agreed, a better way of saying it "ntlhellworld.com opening soon". This surely is a kiss of death.
Well I think my last words on nthw.com was a warning and has definately reflected the current events. If Neil had taken on board Erol's suggestions about users empowerment, perhaps NTL could of taken nthw.com more seriously.
I am more than happy to discuss. :cool:
thought you was lost in hypersapace lol
third star on the right
Sociable
21-11-2003, 20:35
Agreed, a better way of saying it "ntlhellworld.com opening soon". This surely is a kiss of death.
Well I think my last words on nthw.com was a warning and has definately reflected the current events. If Neil had taken on board Erol's suggestions about users empowerment, perhaps NTL could of taken nthw.com more seriously.
I am more than happy to discuss. :cool:
Talking of user "empowerment" I have just reposted the eventual proposal we came up with at the end of that discussion as a new thread here. (With blessing)
Proposal for a "Customer" Panel
http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showthread.php?p=83966#post83966
Please all feel free to join this discussion about the future if you prefer.
After all this is the first day of the rest of our posting :)
Right budge over..if you could just move your bag?Excuse me but can I squeeze by?Oh sorry was that your foot?Hallo,I think you are in my seat.Thank you!!
Phew!!
Why is it when I have to work I miss all the furore?Every fecking time something like this happens I'm working with no access to a PC.
Anyway hallo to everyone,hope you are all going to be nice to one another and not rake up old scores.Brand new start,brand new issues.
Insert sleeping dog smiley here please.
Incog :wavey:
th'engineer
21-11-2003, 20:44
Its on the register as well in red http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/22/34133.html
etccarmageddon
21-11-2003, 20:44
hello incog
ntl customer
21-11-2003, 20:58
Why was .com closed so suddenly?
I didn't get a chance to retrieve my private messages. So if you are reading escapee or whoever it was who sent me the message, feel free to send me one about that subject again. :)
Delta Whiskey
21-11-2003, 21:03
I don't know if this has been said before (can't be bothered to trawl through all the posts!) BUT.......
does the ntl 'temporary' actually mean temporary or is it in the same vein as the ntl 'coming soon'? :D
I have a feeling that if they do re-open it (and I don't think they will),
it would be a glorified F.A.Q. site, with no user input.
homealone
21-11-2003, 21:16
Right budge over..if you could just move your bag?Excuse me but can I squeeze by?Oh sorry was that your foot?Hallo,I think you are in my seat.Thank you!!
Phew!!
Why is it when I have to work I miss all the furore?Every fecking time something like this happens I'm working with no access to a PC.
Anyway hallo to everyone,hope you are all going to be nice to one another and not rake up old scores.Brand new start,brand new issues.
Insert sleeping dog smiley here please.
Incog :wavey:
Your intro made me :rofl:
havn't you got one of those 'white board' thingy's, at work, Incog?;) - I'd like to play with one of those, they look like a huge plasma screen - wonder if my tv card would work?:) - maybe you could run the lesson as a powerpoint presentation on the whiteboard & the forum in a window on the master pc:D
Seriously, I acknowledge & support your comments about a fresh start:)
Your intro made me :rofl:
havn't you got one of those 'white board' thingy's, at work, Incog?;) - I'd like to play with one of those, they look like a huge plasma screen - wonder if my tv card would work?:) - maybe you could run the lesson as a powerpoint presentation on the whiteboard & the forum in a window on the master pc:D
Seriously, I acknowledge & support your comments about a fresh start:)
Oh yes we have those new PC powered whiteboard.However I'm not trained to use 'em just being a supply teacher.There are regular staff who resent having to be 'trained' in them(I'm happy though as while they are being trained I'm being paid to cover their lessons)and it seems a shame as I think they will be a great asset.
Until the pc and software go belly up of course.Then we have to get the OLD whiteboard out. :rofl:
Incog. ;)
testcard
21-11-2003, 21:27
Facts Of Life
1. ntl has no interest in the views of its' customers.
2. AshG is on power career drive. Our needs do not fit in this and thus removed from any equation.
3. Many ntl customers can't name the Home Secretary and ntl is not going figure on anyones agenda.
4. Been at com for two plus years and sod alls changed. Basically pis$ing in the wind.
5, We are still paying ntl customers...........................
Facts Of Life
5, We are still paying ntl customers...........................
Sad isn't it?
Incog. ;)
Undisputedtruth
21-11-2003, 21:32
Talking of user "empowerment" I have just reposted the eventual proposal we came up with at the end of that discussion as a new thread here. (With blessing)
Proposal for a "Customer" Panel
http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showthread.php?p=83966#post83966
Please all feel free to join this discussion about the future if you prefer.
After all this is the first day of the rest of our posting :)
Thanks for ths. I will in the future, make some comments.
dieselking
21-11-2003, 23:05
OMG What happen??? Been out all day came back tonight & .com had completey gone Why??: (it was there last night)
OMG What happen??? Been out all day came back tonight & .com had completey gone Why??: (it was there last night)
ello hun :wavey: it is "temp" suspended
dieselking
21-11-2003, 23:13
ello hun :wavey: it is "temp" suspended
hiya Bex how r u? :) What's been happening then?? LOL :D
hiya Bex how r u? :) What's been happening then?? LOL :D
poorly mate :(....as for the site, who knows lots of speculation but nowt definate afaik
homealone
21-11-2003, 23:25
Oh yes we have those new PC powered whiteboard.However I'm not trained to use 'em just being a supply teacher.There are regular staff who resent having to be 'trained' in them(I'm happy though as while they are being trained I'm being paid to cover their lessons)and it seems a shame as I think they will be a great asset.
Until the pc and software go belly up of course.Then we have to get the OLD whiteboard out. :rofl:
Incog. ;)
you are wise - even beyond your years - LOL
loved the piccy - you only rendered the shorter word, but it still took ooh 1.5 secs to d/l - i wasn't measuring, but it's a big file.
Emperor Ming
21-11-2003, 23:36
Wow :Yikes: :eeek: go away 4 a couple of days R&R , is this news good /bad ??????
hmmmmm , well on ntl's past performance and history afraid to say (.com) is not coming back in the form we all came to love :( NOT!!! , as for ex .com people on here :ghugs: welcome
Florence
21-11-2003, 23:50
Oh yes we have those new PC powered whiteboard.However I'm not trained to use 'em just being a supply teacher.There are regular staff who resent having to be 'trained' in them(I'm happy though as while they are being trained I'm being paid to cover their lessons)and it seems a shame as I think they will be a great asset.
Until the pc and software go belly up of course.Then we have to get the OLD whiteboard out. :rofl:
Incog. ;)
We have two but unfortunatly the theives helped themselves to the two projectors before the children could have the benfit of the lessons.
As for .com I have emailed a few managers at NTL tonight putting the case for .com to return. I have pointed out that the forums have saved many customers from leaving NTL and without they will lose customers. I also pointed out that they would be putting the clock back to before teh buyout and these other forums would continue what .com started.
Why not more try this form of protest,
We have two but unfortunatly the theives helped themselves to the two projectors before the children could have the benfit of the lessons.
W*nkers!!So hate when folk steal from schools.They are stealing from children and their education.Seems a shame that education has to pay out to protect schools and equipment from these barstewards.
Incog.
well welcome to the refugees (as someone called them)
There not refugees, there asylum seekers :LOL:
Welcome one and all, but please can you all move down the forum, its really crowded near the doors! :naughty:
There not refugees, there asylum seekers :LOL:
Welcome one and all, but please can you all move down the forum, its really crowded near the doors! :naughty:
:rofl:
the bar is thata way...uses a bit of air hostess arm movement to direct the crowds :p
May have been posted allready but has anyone else noticed that most of the links along the top of http://community.ntl.com/ (Home, Knowledgebase, etc) all point here??
Or is there just something wrong with my browser? :dunce:
May have been posted allready but has anyone else noticed that most of the links along the top of http://community.ntl.com/ (Home, Knowledgebase, etc) all point here??
Or is there just something wrong with my browser? :dunce:
Thats being talked about Here (http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4405&page=1&pp=15)
carlingman
22-11-2003, 03:53
Ha f in ha how nice of NTL to communicate and advise that it would be closed/removed.
Obviously they have not got a clue on how to treat their communities and customers.
What happened then did Ash forget where the delete thread button was???
With respect to all concerned here, it was me who was on the conference call when the 'suspension' of the site was announced, & not the people who are debating this.
The site had become unmanageable thanks to Erol & his 'user empowerment' mission-fact.
The threads he created dominated the site, & customer issues were getting overlooked-fact.
The site was not there for people to boost their egos with their grand plans of how things should be done, it was their to help customers who had been let down by ntl.
We all know that ntl customer service sucks at times, but creating multiple threads & dominating the site with suggestions doesn't help the people posting for help & getting missed.
As I have said before-Erol's ideas are good (nothing that we haven't suggested to ntl before though), but the way he went about his 'quest' was all wrong, & the disruption it caused was unacceptable.
What should have happened was that Erol (or whoever) should have forst approached the NTHW Team (out of courtesy if nothing else), with this proposition, & we could have taken it (with Erol) to ntl to see if they were even interested in the ideas. What I didn't want to happen was for Erol (or whoever) to waste people's time collating all the info he had suggested, only to take it to ntl & for it to disappear into a black hole (like most of the ideas we have taken to them)-that is a complete waste of everybody's time & energy, & not in any way helpful to man nor beast.
I was/we were there to help customers who posted asking for help-starting multiple threads on the subject was counter productive to that-fact.
(sorry for rambling-I hope that makes sense)
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[Edit]-Also-I really don't want to debate this whole situation any more, I didn't come here to debate it-I came here to offer my help to users of the site.
I really have had enough this afternoon, please remember that it is only a few hours since I heard that .com was being 'suspended'
Well as you are a well respected Mod over at .com the above is a lame excuse even from you.
They have merely used Erol as a scapegoat.
There has been a lot more threads worse than the ones you refer to above.
Coupled with the fact the thread concerned were moved out of sight and merged.
Smacks of the typical NTL attitude when things get hot they get out of the kitchen and go and bury their heads in the sand hoping it will be forgotten.
I/we -(Myself/Neil/Mick) do not run .co.uk! I'm getting sick of hearing it - I have registered on here to express my views and I'm sure the mods/admins don't mind this (I hope)
With all the goings on recently about the future of the site and all in my eyes it was only time that was stopping this happening. Erolz - you havenââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t made it any easier thatââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s for sure and I too believe that you have played a part in getting .com shut down for however long (forever?)
For that I will never forgive you as *if* NTL do decide to "pull the plug" then they will be making a massive mistake.
Oh come on FFS wake up, again if you single out one person for the closure of the site you must be blinkered.
I agree NTL will be making a massive mistake if they do pull the plug but it has never bothered them before with decisions they make.
And as for your word of never forgiving him well why would that be then perhaps because you have lost your benefits or perhaps because recent postings have touched a nerve.
Pity you cannot adopt the opinion and put it down as all water under the bridge and choose to move on.
Also I thought it was wrong of you start your post saying I/we etc.
From my own personal point and no offence is meant here to discredit the job you all did over at .com it did not take a genius to work out that the threat of .com closing has been imminent for some time.
Blaming Erol is just a cheap shot and easy way to find a scapegoat.
Discussion sites and forums/threads are for discussions and not to be censored.
To me the team just looked for an easy way to blame others under the guidance of NTL.
The .com site has been around for a long time and I myself have been a member over there for a long time and it was getting confusing to me whether you and the teams loyalties were with the customer or with the intention of keeping of your subsidies from NTL.
Not getting at the team particularly as myself thought you all did a good job at moderating the site but like many others noticed a considerable swing towards NTL after you were all put on the payroll so to speak.
:Peace:
To me the team just looked for an easy way to blame others under the guidance of NTL.
Maybe they are looking for a way out for themselves after having day in and day out of insults to them!
If it was me I'd just leave the site and let all the users squabble. For god's sake they only get paid a couple of hundred quid a month, not worth what they have to put up with if you ask me.
dieselking
22-11-2003, 11:49
Has .com shut down for good?? I read part of the story as to why it may have been shut down but I can't work out if it has gone forever :(
Has .com shut down for good?? I read part of the story as to why it may have been shut down but I can't work out if it has gone forever :(
IMO ??? Probably !! :eek:
Sociable
22-11-2003, 12:09
Has .com shut down for good?? I read part of the story as to why it may have been shut down but I can't work out if it has gone forever :(
The initial announcement in the forum said two weeks and so does the hold screen but time will tell.
sonygeezer
22-11-2003, 12:11
NTL never did like it and IMO they always planned to close it down.
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