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ntl customer
04-02-2006, 00:51
In recent times, I've seen an increasing number of signs, menus and leaflets with glaring spelling and grammar errors on them, however small.
Text speak and poor grammar/spelling seem to prevail on forums dominated by younger audiences.
Students no longer get marked down for poor usage of the English language in their coursework and exams - and from some of the examples of sample exam questions I've been given as a student that have been written by others, English usage is going down the pan too - some with more mistakes than you can shake a stick at. I think there is something wrong here when people cannot even get the basics right and yet still achieve a high grade.
Employers moan about the fact that people have a poor grasp of basic literacy and numeracy, and that some have to provide remedial classes to sort it out.
Today, I received another email from a certain online store attempting to persuade me into purchasing their latest and greatest product. However, it was riddled with English mistakes. I've emailed in the past them to point out that they should take more care over the usage of their English before sending them out, but the comments seem to have fallen on deaf ears - each mail out I get from them contains at least one English error of some kind! Do they not realise that poor English usage makes their company sound unprofessional and distinctly amateurish?
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Personally, I use good, proper English in pretty much all situations. OK, so I am not perfect and occasionally have the odd slip up ok the keyboard or type mangled sentences, but I always try my hardest to ensure that it is readable and that there are no glaring errors, as detailed above. I might drop the odd capital when using MSN or sending a text, but I always ensure that I punctuate and make it readable.
I loathe text speak with a passion, and I don't know about you, but I think if we are to go on as we are and let standards of English drop and text speak become more accepted, we will be left with a lot of illiterate people in the workplace who frequently make mistakes with punctuation, spelling and grammar.
So, do you think good English has any relevance in today's society? Does anyone really give a toss anymore?
Is it old-fashioned to be picky about poor English?
Has it now become acceptable to use poor English in external and internal communications?
Are literacy standards declining? And are people becoming lazy and expecting the "computer to correct it for them", even though the computer often makes the most stupid of corrections if you let it go on auto pilot (i.e. hit the change all button in Word continuously?).
Does anyone here work with people who exhibit poor English? Does it p!ss you off to have to correct their mistakes before submitting a document to your boss, or sending the final items to print or onto clients? Do you receive lots of material in the post with examples of poor English usage?
I think it's time that the government shifted focus from league tables and which school is performing the best in terms of its exams etc onto the basics. And begin to bring back some form of discounting of marks for poorly English usage in exams and coursework. :tu:
I understand your point, it's well put, but you must recognise the other side of this.
It's all well and good for people to continue to moan about this, and get cheap thrills out of it. Just yesterday the BBC's site had another one of these Eats, Shoots and Leaves posts. The truth is a high number of people out there participating on the internet have dyslexia. A high number of them will be more intelligent than you or I. You can't tell. Moaning like this alienates them further.
It makes me sad to see when people on forums are shot down in otherwise good posts by pedantry.
I do draw the line at all caps!
grandmaster
04-02-2006, 11:00
I h8 txt speak.
I had an arguement with a lad on a forum about this.
I told him he was taking the pee out of dyslexic people by continuing to type the way he talked.
Now, i am not perfect when it comes to english and spelling, but i do try and make an effort.
The posts were deleted by mods otherwise i would have provided the links.
(Most Haunted forums are *Very* over moderated!)
His posts were in the style of..
dis is the way dat da boyee typed because he was reely widdit.
My god, I thought Ali G had joined the forums.
The more teens that learn text speak the more and more we will see it become the norm.
Personally I think the two worst errors in grammar are the use of an apostrophe every time with an "s" - how difficult is it?
The other worst one is people saying "should/would/could of" instead of "should/would/could have".
I am another anti text speak person. Poor spelling and miss typed letters I have no problem with, as scoob pointed out there are may people with dyslexia who have varying degrees of difficulty who make themselves clearly understood. The ability to make yourself understood without ambiguity is what seems to be dissapearing with the increase in text speak.
Far too much use of "give a toss" and "going down the pan" in my opinion;)
I think about 3% of the exam is English and grammar, I don't like text speak, but don't think we have to produce perfect English on forums, they are informal you know.
What about dyslexic people, I know a lot who are extremely clever, yet if as you seem to want, the exams were more based on grammar skills, then they would lose out.
Grammar has its uses in some situations, but poses no value in a lot of others.
Personally I think the two worst errors in grammar are the use of an apostrophe every time with an "s" - how difficult is it?Very!-If, like me, you've never been taught how to use them :(
I understand your point, it's well put, but you must recognise the other side of this.
It's all well and good for people to continue to moan about this, and get cheap thrills out of it. Just yesterday the BBC's site had another one of these Eats, Shoots and Leaves posts. The truth is a high number of people out there participating on the internet have dyslexia. A high number of them will be more intelligent than you or I. You can't tell. Moaning like this alienates them further.
It makes me sad to see when people on forums are shot down in otherwise good posts by pedantry.
I do draw the line at all caps!
Just because people have dyslexia is no excuse to allow standards to drop.That's just dropping to the lowest common denominator.As an educator I should be striving to improve standards without allowing creativity to be denied.However poor spelling and grammar make communication impossible and unless these are addressed we will cease to communicate efficiently.:erm:
I understand your point, it's well put, but you must recognise the other side of this.
It's all well and good for people to continue to moan about this, and get cheap thrills out of it. Just yesterday the BBC's site had another one of these Eats, Shoots and Leaves posts. The truth is a high number of people out there participating on the internet have dyslexia. A high number of them will be more intelligent than you or I. You can't tell. Moaning like this alienates them further.
It makes me sad to see when people on forums are shot down in otherwise good posts by pedantry.
I do draw the line at all caps!
While my own grammer and even spelling is not perfect on the forum, and I don't generally criticise others for it (unless I genuinly can't understand what a poster means due to bad spelling, or lack of punctuation), I do find it irritating that people use text speak on forums.
I also find it irritating that people don't use good grammar and spelling on things like Signs and leaflets.
Sorry, but while dyslexia is a good excuse for personal posts on things like forums, it is *not* (IMO) a good excuse for literature and signs produced by companies. While the original writer may be dyslexic, surely any thing a company produces that may be seen by a member of the public should be proof read?
Having said that, the Uni where I work has signs that say "Any student caught smoking will have their accounts disabled and escorted off the premises", which I took to mean that the accounts would be disabled and escorted from the premises. BTW, it actually means that the student will have their account disabled and *be* escorted off the premises.
Very!-If, like me, you've never been taught how to use them :(
May I suggest that you start here:
http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/
I think it's like well a bit over the top to complain like when people like drop the old use of the language keep up man i mean who needs punctuation anyways and theres no point in pausing in a sentence when you can go on and on and anyway who cares if its not spelt right you get the message right wait while i paws for breth and whatever you have like too much free time when your like saying we dont rite proppa or summink...
two of my friends sat in the pub telling me off the other day, because they find it annoying that I do not text in text speak but use proper sentences. I tried to explain the reason it takes so long for me to reply to their texts is because it takes me ages to actually understand what they are writing.
my little brother received a letter from one of the teachers at his school the other day, he has been off for a little while and she was sending him his coursework. i read through the letter and was shocked at her terrible spelling and lack of grammar, and this from someone who is a teach
I don't enjoy reading text talk on forums or in written documents.
I also don't like people deforming the english language.
I saw an example of this on a sign just the other day. Instead of the words "Car wash", it was spelt "Kar Wash", the wrong spelling.
The saying "I didn't do nothing wrong", is crazy too. So you actually DID do something wrong.
Equally bad are people who say "We was in the park", when it should be "We were in the park".
I think we should be taught about grammar and how it is important to make sure we don't get lazy and stray away from proper english.
Technology has not helped and I think it's time to warn kid's that text talk is for texting, and nothing else.
homealone
04-02-2006, 23:44
at this point I have no other option than suggesting alternatives for the thread title ;)
how about 'doesn't anyone care about correct English, anymore' ?
I don't enjoy reading text talk on forums or in written documents.
I also don't like people deforming the english language.
I saw an example of this on a sign just the other day. Instead of the words "Car wash", it was spelt "Kar Wash", the wrong spelling.
The saying "I didn't do nothing wrong", is crazy too. So you actually DID do something wrong.
Equally bad are people who say "We was in the park", when it should be "We were in the park".
Don't you live in Leicester though - nuff said (no offence personally!) :D
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I think about 3% of the exam is English and grammar
3% guaranteed marks in my case... :erm:
at this point we have no other option than suggesting alternatives for the thread title ;)
how about 'doesn't anyone care about correct English, anymore' ?
Quite... To my non-native ears 'doesn't anyone' sounds a lot better than 'does nobody'.
That aside, as a non-native speaker trying to get it right, I find some of the posts on this site mind-boggling. Whatever language you speak, speak/write it properly. It matters!
Quite... To my non-native ears 'doesn't anyone' sounds a lot better than 'does nobody'.
That aside, as a non-native speaker trying to get it right, I find some of the posts on this site mind-boggling. Whatever language you speak, speak/write it properly. It matters!
Agreed - sometimes I'm convinced that some people would be better off using smoke signals to get their point across :disturbd:
at this point I have no other option than suggesting alternatives for the thread title ;)
how about 'doesn't anyone care about correct English, anymore' ?
Commendable, but your initial line should have commenced with a Capital, thus: "At this point..."
Furthermore, one would, in current parlance, take a Smiley as a sentence terminator in the style of ! , . ,or : , whereupon your following sentence should equally have commenced with a Capital, ie: "How about..."
With regard to the above paragraph, I have omitted quotation marks between individual punctuation symbols with a view to maintaining clarity.
"ie" should be "i.e." if we're going to flame grammar. :D
"ie" should be "i.e." if we're going to flame grammar. :D
Absolutely. But in fairness I did intimate that within that paragraph I had taken a degree of license to avoid over pedantry and any subsequent confusion.
Well spotted, though.
zing_deleted
05-02-2006, 01:13
text speak is one yes I agree thing but bad spelling and grammer I judge no one on.Yes someone may put a ' in the wrong place big deal.If you know where there coming from what does it matter come on really??I didn't have much of a formal education but I am a far way off being dim.So maybe I can't spell or my grammer is bad but im quick witted and have a very good knowledge of things that interest me.Im sorry English does not
jrhnewark
05-02-2006, 01:13
Students no longer get marked down for poor usage of the English language in their coursework and exams
No, I'm sorry, that's just not true. A number of the marks awarded in GCSE examinations are for good use of the English language. Thankfully, it's not too much of a problem for me - in fact, it's quite a nice way to boost my marks with minimum effort! Goodness me - I'm sixteen and articulating myself with good English! Shocker! :rolleyes:
I do correct people who I can get away with correcting when they clearly have no grasp of the language they're trying to use. "Could of" is a nice example, although a lot of people seem to have a standard that's not even that high - most of it comes from not speaking properly.
What shocks me most, as someone who grew-up in South Wales, is that English people themselves seem to have THE worst grasp of English in the World, exempting London and the Home Counties (sorry, but it's true).
"ie" should be "i.e." if we're going to flame grammar. :D
If you're going to incite people to burn grandparents then please can you do it on a different forum, thanks.
If you're going to incite people to burn grandparents then please can you do it on a different forum, thanks.
Best cancel my order for a stuffed nan to go with my chiken tikka then
If this is the attitude, i'm going to stop posting.
Its not my fault if i cant get it just right for you,
BYE :td:
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What do you want me to do? get a dictionary and take 3hrs working out what goes where, aint going to happen :(
patrickp
05-02-2006, 01:49
my little brother received a letter from one of the teachers at his school the other day, he has been off for a little while and she was sending him his coursework. i read through the letter and was shocked at her terrible spelling and lack of grammar, and this from someone who is a teach
I know. I work for a Local Education Authority, and part of my job is checking and filing accident/incident report forms sent in by schools. Most of these have been completed by school admins or teachers, and their English is frequently appalling - even some headteachers seem to be barely literate.
One of my favourites was from a teacher who had been travelling on a bus to work. As they got up to get off, "the bus suddenly broke..."
text speak is one yes I agree thing but bad spelling and grammer I judge no one on.Yes someone may put a ' in the wrong place big deal.If you know where there coming from what does it matter come on really??I didn't have much of a formal education but I am a far way off being dim.So maybe I can't spell or my grammer is bad but im quick witted and have a very good knowledge of things that interest me.Im sorry English does not
Broadly, I agree with you, zingle. While I'm very concerned, for obvious reasons, about teachers who don't even seem to have a basic command of English, I think that people who quibble about spelling and grammar in online forums are just going to miss out on an awful lot of information, humour, etc. As far as I'm concerned, if what a person posts is reasonably understandable, I couldn't care less about their literary merits.
Who cares if forum posts aren't full of perfect grammar and spelling? Not me, for one.
Like has been said above, forums are informal, and if you write in perfect Queen's English all the time then it can be hard to show your true personality and to the reader it feels like you are reading an instruction book or exam paper.
There is a forum on eBay, Community Q+A, and believe it or not there are users who log in every waking minute of the day to do nothing but pick at people's bad spelling and grammar. It's pathetic.
Then i agree that in school and work correct English should always be used.
I think the general opinions on this thread are the same really, but i hope people don't start picking at others' posts, or alternatively, people scared to post in case they get picked at for their english skills, as on the forum mentioned above!
jrhnewark
05-02-2006, 02:33
Who cares if forum posts aren't full of perfect grammar and spelling? Not me, for one.No, I totally agree, I don't always get the time to read through my posts before posting.. mistakes are perfectly normal!
It's just when you see glaringly obvious mistakes time after time and people making absolutely no effort that it really does get to me a tiny bit.
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Best cancel my order for a stuffed nan to go with my chiken tikka then"Nann".
"Nan" was my grandmother. :D
Look here.In a forum like this I'm not going to fuss too much about spelling and typos(I'm poor at typing myself) and grammar.However I will get uptight about punctuation and good communication because without out it how do we communicate clearly.Texting is fine when you are trying to save money but that hardly applies when posting here.
Just remember to put in full stops and capital letters in the correct places and I'll let you get away with quite a lot of poor spelling and poor grammar.In other words remember to breathe at the right points.;)
TheDaddy
05-02-2006, 02:48
I never thought I cared but I have to admit I nearly edited one of my posts the other day because I noticed a spelling error.
It's just when you see glaringly obvious mistakes time after time and people making absolutely no effort that it really does get to me a tiny bit.
<snip>
"Nann".
"Nan" was my grandmother. :D
Naan ;)
Come on, put some effort in! LOL i'm only joking:p::disturbd:
scrotnig
05-02-2006, 02:51
For my part, I can't read text speak properly, it takes me ages so I can't be bothered. I never send text messages because I am the original Billy No Mates, however if I did they would be full correct sentences. This would mean that before you got to the end of my message it wou
zing_deleted
05-02-2006, 02:55
For my part, I can't read text speak properly, it takes me ages so I can't be bothered. I never send text messages because I am the original Billy No Mates, however if I did they would be full correct sentences. This would mean that before you got to the end of my message it wou
nowadays you would send a split text and be charged 10p for your ld ;)
jrhnewark
05-02-2006, 03:43
nowadays you would send a split text and be charged 10p for your ld ;)My bugger of a phone - which isn't all that old - doesn't do that. It just stops when I run out of characters! Needless to say, this happens quite often - even when I used lots of txt spk.. I just say too much. :blush:
And - Pia - that really does get to me a tiny bit, too. Erm. :disturbd: :D
Students no longer get marked down for poor usage of the English language in their coursework and exams
No, I'm sorry, that's just not true. A number of the marks awarded in GCSE examinations are for good use of the English language. Thankfully, it's not too much of a problem for me - in fact, it's quite a nice way to boost my marks with minimum effort! Goodness me - I'm sixteen and articulating myself with good English! Shocker! :rolleyes:
A number - being normally about 5-6. Don't want to give them too many... :rolleyes:
It's silly, people should be marked down for having an answer that doesn't make sense, not having a handful of extra marks where those who can logicise arguments and make an effort with spelling get more marks and those who can't drop a few marks there and are ok with talking drivel for the rest of the paper.
If an exam answer is factually correct, but "porly speld" throughout does it deserve the same credit as one that's factually correct to the same extent, but expressed logically with care taken over word selection, spelling, communication and grammar?
And the school/college should make the exam board aware if a student is dyslexic or has other learning difficulties as well so they don't have an excuse - plus, dyslexic people aren't stupid, it's just they experience difficulties in reading and/or writing and occasionally learning things as well.
Can't normally be bothered with highlighting errors on forums though unless they're glaringly bad, or excessive use of "txt spk" - mentioning no names nick
Electrolyte01
05-02-2006, 10:58
I never usually use anything but full English with correct grammar (or with what I know with the grammar, since English at my school was learning poetry and Shakespear - not grammar, reading/writing :rolleyes: ).
Don't you live in Leicester though - nuff said (no offence personally!) :D
Dat Aint Da Troof ! You is Da One who dont Got Gramma Skillz.
:bsmack: :D:p:
jrhnewark
05-02-2006, 13:26
A number - being normally about 5-6. Don't want to give them too many... :rolleyes:Yes, true.
It's silly, people should be marked down for having an answer that doesn't make sense, not having a handful of extra marks where those who can logicise arguments and make an effort with spelling get more marks and those who can't drop a few marks there and are ok with talking drivel for the rest of the paper.
If an exam answer is factually correct, but "porly speld" throughout does it deserve the same credit as one that's factually correct to the same extent, but expressed logically with care taken over word selection, spelling, communication and grammar?I totally agree - and so would many of my teachers. It's marvellous fun when, in whatever test they want to set, they don't count the marks up... they take away marks for every single mistake - however tiny. Losing three marks on a paper only worth 150 marks in the first place for spelling something wrong tends to make one care...
Even if something decent couldn't be done across the board (pardon the examination pun), NO ONE should pass GCSE English (e.g., get a 'C') unless they can pretty much spell every word in their vocabulary. Plus, at the end of the day, that vocabulary needs to be a little bigger than is the case in many examples.
I can't believe I know a thirteen-year-old who seems to be confused by anyfink ovvr dan basik language. Less emphasis on dropping the 'g' off the end of every word and trying to look "attitoode"-filled would go a long way.
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Dat Aint Da Troof ! You is Da One who dont Got Gramma Skillz.
:bsmack: :D:p:You do realise that even your effort to look totally stupid isn't so far from some the actual grasp that some people have?! :shocked: :disturbd:
zing_deleted
05-02-2006, 13:31
Im sure years ago some thought that those that said "how are you" instead of "how beyest thou" were chavs.Although im sure text speak will not become the dialect adopted by all its still part of the youth culture or under 30's I don't know.But one things for sure I do not give a Toss ;)
jrhnewark
05-02-2006, 13:52
Im sure years ago some thought that those that said "how are you" instead of "how beyest thou" were chavs.Although im sure text speak will not become the dialect adopted by all its still part of the youth culture or under 30's I don't know.But one things for sure I do not give a Toss ;)Me and my mate don't think that. ;) :erm:
Macca371
05-02-2006, 14:23
I never usually use anything but full English with correct grammar (or with what I know with the grammar, since English at my school was learning poetry and Shakespear - not grammar, reading/writing :rolleyes: ).
Yes, this annoyed me quite a bit. English at my school was primarily based around literary techniques. No grammar, spelling or punctuation lessons, but lessons about rhyming couplets, imagery and the sonnet form. Quite stupid really IMO, as most people will never use or need this information, but good spelling, grammar and punctuation are vital in everyday life to most people. I don't even think that these skills were assessed in my English GCSE course.
Yes, this annoyed me quite a bit. English at my school was primarily based around literary techniques. No grammar, spelling or punctuation lessons, but lessons about rhyming couplets, imagery and the sonnet form. Quite stupid really IMO, as most people will never use or need this information, but good spelling, grammar and punctuation are vital in everyday life to most people. I don't even think that these skills were assessed in my English GCSE course.
At least under the old O'level system they were separated into Language and Literature. :erm:
patrickp
05-02-2006, 16:27
Best cancel my order for a stuffed nan to go with my chiken tikka then"Nann".
"Nan" was my grandmother. :D
I think that was the point of Nikko's comment, jrhnewark. And, just to be picky, it's usually 'naan' rather than "Nann". Think it's a case of:
No, I totally agree, I don't always get the time to read through my posts before posting.. mistakes are perfectly normal!
But 'nan' seems to be a perfectly acceptable anglicisation. After all, Indian words are not properly spelled in Western characters anyway! ;-D
Edit: whoops! Pia got there long before me! Dumb of me not to think there was another page to go! :dunce:
jrhnewark
05-02-2006, 17:17
But 'nan' seems to be a perfectly acceptable anglicisation. After all, Indian words are not properly spelled in Western characters anyway! ;-DIf you can find packaging which states 'nan' rather than 'nann', full credit to you. But 'nan' is already taken. :rolleyes:
cookie_365
05-02-2006, 18:39
I think it's like well a bit over the top to complain like when people like drop the old use of the language keep up man i mean who needs punctuation anyways and theres no point in pausing in a sentence when you can go on and on and anyway who cares if its not spelt right you get the message right wait while i paws for breth and whatever you have like too much free time when your like saying we dont rite proppa or summink...
Well, how about:
The original post was about 8 or 9 times as long as yours. However, it was easy to read because:
it was well written,
it made good use of punctuation to break up the text, and
it used paragraphs intelligently to get its key points over.On the other hand, I never even finished reading your post, because it was so badly written.
Despite being only 6 or so lines long, I gave up midway through the second.
If you don't want anyone to actually bother taking on board what you have to say, please carry on as you are. ;)
Yes, I know, you were joking - but I know lots of people who 'write' like that in all seriousness ;)
If you can find packaging which states 'nan' rather than 'nann', full credit to you. But 'nan' is already taken. :rolleyes:
:confused: You won't find either though, because it's Naan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naan) bread.:cool:
If you can find packaging which states 'nan' rather than 'nann', full credit to you. But 'nan' is already taken. :rolleyes:
:confused: You won't find either though, because it's Naan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naan) bread.:cool:
It is also pronounced as narn rather than nan as well. ;)
I can't believe I know a thirteen-year-old who seems to be confused by anyfink ovvr dan basik language. Less emphasis on dropping the 'g' off the end of every word and trying to look "attitoode"-filled would go a long way. u shud stop mixin it n chillin wiv de chavvy kidz in newark ghetto den :LOL:
peace.
I think it would help if people regarded every use of language as being equal in importance and formality. Using abbreviations and shortening words isn't anything new, even if 'text speak' is. It's used because of the lack of formality and constraints on the number of letters someone can use.
Contrast this with a leaflet about a product and I agree, it should adhere to good spelling, punctuation and grammar. But to be honest, it doesn't get my blood boiling when someone misuses an apostrophe. The majority of the time it's not needed because the message remains the same regardless of the usage or placement of the apostrophe. A lot of the rules are arbitrary and serve little use in the meaning derived from the sentence.
We all speak differently, why do we feel the need to apply different rules to writing? In the same way, spoken language changes given the need of those who speak it, with no formal regulation, which is arguably what is happening with the written word and it's not as if we've seen a giant decline in the number of people who achieve spoken English. Based on a standard of being understood and able to communicate your message that is, not based on some toff saying 'He doesn't speak properly like me what what'
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homealone
05-02-2006, 22:28
I think it would help if people regarded every use of language as being equal in importance and formality. Using abbreviations and shortening words isn't anything new, even if 'text speak' is. It's used because of the lack of formality and constraints on the number of letters someone can use.
Contrast this with a leaflet about a product and I agree, it should adhere to good spelling, punctuation and grammar. But to be honest, it doesn't get my blood boiling when someone misuses an apostrophe. The majority of the time it's not needed because the message remains the same regardless of the usage or placement of the apostrophe. A lot of the rules are arbitrary and serve little use in the meaning derived from the sentence.
We all speak differently, why do we feel the need to apply different rules to writing? In the same way, spoken language changes given the need of those who speak it, with no formal regulation, which is arguably what is happening with the written word and it's not as if we've seen a giant decline in the number of people who achieve spoken English. Based on a standard of being understood and able to communicate your message that is, not based on some toff saying 'He doesn't speak properly like me what what'
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because writing is capable of review, spontaneous speech isn't, but in that case, if you don't understand, ask for a repeat?
- sorry it is a bad line, can you say that, again, please ;)
jrhnewark
05-02-2006, 23:18
In the same way, spoken language changes given the need of those who speak it, with no formal regulation,No, some people just don't speak properly - normally those that don't write properly. Sorry, there are a few major languages in the World today because we all need to be able to communicate with each other with a standard. "Them apples weren't nice" isn't a standard, it's just bad English.
Wow - a whole sub-debate over a pun on the word nan. Or Nann. Or naan. Review the thread, put it context, all will be apparent.
Obviously it was not seen as a joke by some - I am certainly capable of iterating, annunciating and inscribing the words for a variety of asian bread types (unleavened or otherwise) without reference to your maternal biological lineage.
Its chapati and I'll cry if i want to?
Wow - a whole sub-debate over a pun on the word nan. Or Nann. Or naan. Review the thread, put it context, all will be apparent.
Obviously it was not seen as a joke by some - I am certainly capable of iterating, annunciating and inscribing the words for a variety of asian bread types (unleavened or otherwise) without reference to your maternal biological lineage.
Its chapati and I'll cry if i want to?
You mean enunciating?
You mean enunciating?
Yes! Thats the word. It would Paratha things were on my mind when I typed it, thanks.
homealone
06-02-2006, 00:43
Wow - a whole sub-debate over a pun on the word nan. Or Nann. Or naan. Review the thread, put it context, all will be apparent.
Obviously it was not seen as a joke by some - I am certainly capable of iterating, annunciating and inscribing the words for a variety of asian bread types (unleavened or otherwise) without reference to your maternal biological lineage.
Its chapati and I'll cry if i want to?
The true 'punmeister' - sorry nugget, Nikko is da man ;)
"Them apples weren't nice" isn't a standard, it's just bad English.
But my point is that everyone who reads it understands it, regardless of it's adherence to any rules. The meaning is preserved, so does it really matter if it's not up to a percieved standard?
P.S - Naan / Nan is debatable given that it's translated from a non english word and is now using our phonology and alphabet. Give it a few years and there will be an agreed way to spell it, probably naan because that seems to be the most popular.
I will now turn my sense of humour back on
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