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sir_drinks_alot

02-10-2005, 23:18

Nirvana album is 'most overrated' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4302572.stm)

I always knew this was an overrated bit of drible now now it's official. :tu:

*Waits for Nirvana fans to have a moan* about this not the million other things Thay Normally moan about.

Paul

02-10-2005, 23:39

Vastly overrated IMO, never liked them.

clarie

02-10-2005, 23:42

That does surprise me... but then I guess that people who listen to BBC6 aren't really representative of fans of all types of music...

punky

02-10-2005, 23:43

Who the hell cares? If you like it, then great. If you don't, then that's also great. Why should anyone cast aspertions on people's choice of music. Its not like there are any right or wrong answers here.

sir_drinks_alot

02-10-2005, 23:44

Vastly overrated IMO, never liked them.

Oh we are so dead when the Nirvana nuts see this. :rofl: thay don't like People bad mouthing there band.

Ramrod

02-10-2005, 23:48

Nirvana album is 'most overrated' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4302572.stm)"But it goes without saying that one person's overrated album will be another's film favourite." :confused:

clarie

02-10-2005, 23:48

Oh we are so dead when the Nirvana nuts see this.

I am a bit of a fan I must say - or rather I was as an angst-ridden teenager.:cool:

danielf

02-10-2005, 23:50

sir_drinks_alot

02-10-2005, 23:51

I am a bit of a fan I must say - or rather I was as an angst-ridden teenager.:cool:

There market was the angst-ridden teenager. that's why the albums sold so well

Halcyon

02-10-2005, 23:58

clarie

03-10-2005, 00:04

Yeah but no harm in a little music discussion - especially as the original topic wasn't 'Do you like Nirvana' but rather the suggestion that one of their albums was overrated.

BBKing

03-10-2005, 07:55

Angst-ridden teenagers in 1992 are now 26-31 years old.

I like it, but then I'm at the upper end of that range, and their music reminds me (ah, nostalgia) of touring Eastern Europe in a bus - the locals we met were all mad on Nirvana (and the Beatles, for some reason). So I associate it with freedom, walls coming down and crossing boundaries that would have been almost impossible two years before. And salt mineral water and crap food, of course.

Anyway, they were still dead popular in Seattle when I was there. And Jimi Hendrix was from Seattle, so there. Got to be good.

ikthius

03-10-2005, 08:09

I like the album, but I don't think it is the best one I have ever heard.

I think that a lot of albums end up overrated by the music media.

e.g.
The Verve: Urban Hymns
Pearl Jam: Ten
Oasis: Any; as they are all crap
Beatles: as above
Coldplay: cause they suck
Radiohead: I like radiohead, but there is nothing special about their albums

a small selection. don't get me wrong I have a few Radioheads, Pearl Jam, the verve but none of the others.

my favs are the likes of Led Zeppelin.

I tend not to listen to the hype of:
"Utter Brilliance"
"sheer music gold"
"their most complete <insert bands name here> 'ness"

ik

handyman

03-10-2005, 09:42

Its still one of the best selling albums, up with Prodigy and REM-Automatic for the people.

I think its one of the best albums I have. It's certainly got a higher percentage of good tracks on it that most. 'Come as you are' makes me tingle when it comes in.

me283

03-10-2005, 09:50

I agree with Punky on this. I once said to a friend "You probably think I have bad taste in music", and his reply was "Your taste isn't bad, it's just your own taste".

Having said that, I was never a fan of Nirvana; IMO just another "latest thing" band that youngish kids latched onto. To me, true greatness is shown by longevity, not just by how many albums are sold, or by surveys. Thinking back a few years, I remember a survey which claimed that three of the ten greates singles ever were by... Bros. Kind of says it all really!

punky

03-10-2005, 10:00

Chris

03-10-2005, 11:37

I remember a survey which claimed that three of the ten greates singles ever were by... Bros. Kind of says it all really!

Probably conducted by Smash Hits. Ah, the Smash Hits Poll Winners Party. Sets me up nicely for Christmas that does, it's always a right laugh. :D I remember Guns'n'Roses winning best Rock act one year, and Adrian Edmonson came on stage to collect the prize 'on their behalf'. Hmm, guess who must've told Smash Hits where to stick their award. :erm:

Martin

03-10-2005, 11:41

The Verve: Urban Hymns
Pearl Jam: Ten
Oasis: Any; as they are all crap
Beatles: as above
Coldplay: cause they suck
Radiohead: I like radiohead, but there is nothing special about their albums

Yup I agree with most of them with the exception of The Verve, i thought they were damn good!! I'd say Oasis is the most overated group ever!!

orangebird

03-10-2005, 11:44

Yep, very overrated. The only good thing to come out of Nirvana was David Grohl :tu:

gazzae

03-10-2005, 11:52

I love Nirvana, I actually listened to their Unplugged album this morning on the way to work.

Doesn't bother me if people think they are overrated.

I still remember the day I heard Kurt Cobain had been murdered. ( ;) Little conspiracy therory for you.)

Maggy

03-10-2005, 12:53

The thing is not to limit your tastes to anyone genre of music as so many seem to do.Try to appreciate all types and all sorts of music and let's not diss other folks taste because they don't think your favourite band is the bees knees.

I grew up with Bill Haley's Rock around the Clock blaring out on my father's record player along with I'm Walking Backwards for Christmas by the Goons.Alongside all this we had the traditional singalong songs of the radio like She Wore a Yellow Ribbon and Texas Rose...Plus Beethoven,Bach,Handel and many other classical composers.

I get fed up with the get rich do what everyone else is doing brigade like everyone else BUT I think there are plenty of new bands that are as good as any that I've appreciated before.I like the Beatles and yes some of what they did musically DID change the direction of modern but they also contributed to changing what then passed for modern classical music.Personally though I much preferred the raunchiness of The Rolling Stones and The Who.Also as you grow older you change and what you like can change.

When I feel I've got stale music wise I ask my daughter to make me a compilation of what she considers to be great music..I've found lots of good bands that way.The young can teach the old about music but this can work both ways.My daughter is a Stones/Who/Bowie/Kinks/Human League/Erasure/Pet Shop Boys/Smiths etc fan because I introduced her to them.However there are still groups/singers I like that she loathes and vice versa.We have learned to respect each other's differences. ;)

Music is like Art.Subjective! We like what we like because of the time at which we first heard/saw it,or we were in love/out of love.We were having a great time/a lousy time.

Or it just spoke to us because it was right for the times that it first arrived.Like Bob Dylan's songs were the words of his generation and time.Nirvana felt like that for their generation although Kurt Cobain's suicide also offered cult status to the group and their songs Just like James Dean's death added to his films.

If you like it fine enjoy it but don't attack other folk because they don't and vice versa. :tu:

However no matter how hard I try I guess I will always see red when listening to Robbie Williams. ;)

gazzae

03-10-2005, 13:01

.Nirvana felt like that for their generation although Kurt Cobain's suicide also offered cult status to the group and their songs Just like James Dean's death added to his films.

But was it suicide?

punky

03-10-2005, 13:03

But was it suicide?

Of course it was. If you had Courtney Love for a bird, you'd want to commit suicide as well ;)

She screwed him around so much, even without taking heroin he's been on a real downer.

Nugget

03-10-2005, 13:05

But was it suicide?

Nah - James Dean died in a car accident...

;)

gazzae

03-10-2005, 13:11

Of course it was. If you had Courtney Love for a bird, you'd want to commit suicide as well ;)

She screwed him around so much, even without taking heroin he's been on a real downer.

There are alot of things that just don't seem right...

There is a motive. Kurt was said to be giving up touring, this would have meant walking out on a contract to headline the Lollapalooza tour. According to Courtney Love this was a $9.5 Million dollar contract and they had argued alot over this.
Before Cobain checked into rehab he brought a shotgun for protection. Love later claimed he brought this gun when he checked out of rehab.

Love told everyone who would listen how suicidal Kurt was, but Dylan Carlson, Kurt's best friend, and Rosemary Carroll, Love's entertainment attorney, both stated the Kurt was not in the least suicidal.

Rosemary also claimed that Love asked her to find "the meanest, most vicious divorce lawyer." ROsemary also claimed that Kurt called her and told her he wanted Love taken off his will.

Love claimed she could not go to Seattle to assist in the search for her husband as she had business in LA. A claim which Rosemary Carroll, her entertainment attorney, said was false.

During the search, Love mislead the PI who was looking for Cobain by telling him that Kurt only stayed in the best hotels. Dylan Carlson, said that Cobain usually stayed in some "pretty ratty places".

Courtney called the electrical contractors, who discovered the body, and asked them to work on the motion dectors in the greenhouse - where Kurts body was. Was she trying to get the body discovered?

There are also this inconsistencies..

Doubts about Kurt's handwriting on the so-called "suicide note," especially the bottom portion...

The electrician's statement about Kurt's hair appearing to have been combed.

The entrance door to the greenhouse had a push and twist lock. Anyone could have locked it and pulled it shut as they left, so Kurt was NOT barricaded in the room as the police had indicated to the PI and as the media had reported.

Cobain's heroin, (morphine), blood level was 1.52 mgs per liter. This would require a minimum injection of 225 mgs of heroin, three times a lethal dose, even for a hardcore heroin addict! The drug Diazepam, was also found in Cobain's blood system. Would he be able to shoot himself after taking that much heroin?

Why were no legible prints found on the shotgun?

Here is a good website that looks into the case... www.cobaincase.com

me283

03-10-2005, 13:20

Well said Coggy. My own tastes are extremely eclectic. At any time I could be listening to Beatles, Clash, Stevie Wonder, Squeeze (GODS!), Level 42, The Smiths (as I am right now), along with a thousand other bands/singers from genres as diverse as punk, soul, jazz, pop, etc etc. It does all depend on where you were or who you were with or how you felt when you first heard a song, at least to a certain extent; personally I am also a fan of great lyrics too, as well as great musicianship, so I never diss an act that I feel has true creative talent.

In a different vein you have the likes of Boyzone, Blue, Five, One True Voice etc etc who just seem manufactured to appeal to a niche market. That's all well and good, but I doubt any will ever attain "greatness", and anyone who claims they have/will is most likely thirteen years old and wearing pigtails.

Music and songs should be about music and songs; fashion should be secondary, and politics should be out of it altogether. Music can become commercialised, but when commercialism is the basis for that music, something is very wrong.

However, Ronan Keating really makes me cringe... even more so since I was once on the same flight as him. Miserable, short-ar*ed, scruffy, g*t...

Gareth

03-10-2005, 13:25

A poll made up entirely of Radio 6 listeners...? Bah, what would they know?!? :rolleyes:

In my opinion, Nirvana's Nevermind shouldn't be dismissed if it is taken in it's context... let's not forget that in 1991 the songs listed below were in the charts. I think that a lot of bands either took or still take their influence from Nirvana (at least musically if not vocally). But, like everyone else has said, it's subjective and I'm not gonna lose any sleep just cause a bunch of Radio 6 listeners don't like it as an album.
(Everything I Do) I Do It For You - Bryan Adams
The Shoop Shoop Song - Cher
I'm Too Sexy - Right Said Fred
Do The Bartman - The Simpsons
Any Dream Will Do - Jason Donovan
The One And Only - Chesney Hawkes
Dizzy - Vic Reeves & the Wonder Stuff
Insanity - Oceanic
I Wanna Sex You Up - Color Me Badd
Get Ready For This - 2 Unlimited
3am Eternal - The KLF featuring The Children Of The Revolution
Black Or White - Michael Jackson
Let's Talk About Sex - Salt 'N' Pepa
Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me - George Michael with Elton John
More Than Words - Extreme
When You Tell Me That You Love Me - Diana Ross
Sunshine On A Rainy Day (Remix) - Zoe
Sit Down - James
Wind Of Change - The Scorpions
The Stonk - Hale and Pace
(I Wanna Give You) Devotion - Nomad featuring MC Mikee Freedom
Now That We Found Love - heavy D & The Boys
Baby Baby - Amy Grant
Charly - The Prodigy
Justified And Ancient - The KLF featuring Tammy Wynette
World In Union - Kiri Te Kanawa
Promise Me - Beverley Craven
Last Train To Trancentral - The KLF
You Got The Love - The Source featuring Candi Staton
Gypsy Woman (La Da Dee) - Crystal Waters
Thinking About Your Love - Kenny Thomas
Rhythm Of My Heart - Rod Stewart
Set Adrift On Memory Bliss - PM Dawn
Sadness Part 1 - Enigma
Move Any Mountain - The Shamen
Everybody's Free To Feel Good - Rozalla
Wiggle It - 2 In A Room
Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life - Monty Python
All 4 Love - Color Me Badd
Crazy For You (Remix) - Madonna
Joyride - Roxette
Get Here - Oleta Adams
Gett Off - Prince & The New Power Generation

Maggy

03-10-2005, 13:30

SMHarman

03-10-2005, 14:24

Music and songs should be about music and songs; fashion should be secondary, and politics should be out of it altogether. Music can become commercialised, but when commercialism is the basis for that music, something is very wrong.
Though there are many that like to write, but not to perform, two that spring to mind are Dianne Warren (http://www.realsongs.com/) (click on the artists link on that site - it's scary / amazing / prolific)
I DON'T WANT TO MISS A THING" / AEROSMITH
IF I DON'T TELL YOU NOW" / RONAN KEATING
HOW DO I LIVE" / TRISHA YEARWOOD
CAN'T FIGHT THE MOONLIGHT" / LeANN RIMES

Nik Kershaw (including )
One and Only / Chesney Hawkes also work with
also Elton John, Cliff Richard and Ronan Keating.

clarie

03-10-2005, 15:29

Though there are many that like to write, but not to perform, two that spring to mind are Dianne Warren (http://www.realsongs.com/) (click on the artists link on that site - it's scary / amazing / prolific)
I DON'T WANT TO MISS A THING" / AEROSMITH
IF I DON'T TELL YOU NOW" / RONAN KEATING
HOW DO I LIVE" / TRISHA YEARWOOD
CAN'T FIGHT THE MOONLIGHT" / LeANN RIMES

Sorry I don't understand what are you saying about the above songs?

gazzae

03-10-2005, 15:37

Sorry I don't understand what are you saying about the above songs?

Dianne Warren wrote them.

clarie

03-10-2005, 15:44

Dianne Warren wrote them.

I see. Well she certainly is prolific.

budwieser

03-10-2005, 22:36

Has this gone O/T a little bit?

Surely if you like listening to something and you get pleasure from that, that`s your choice as long as you don`t try to push it onto other people as the " best" it`s all about personal choice.

Metallica, Green Day,Linkin Park, Elton John, System Of A Down, George Michael,Iron Maiden, Accept,Whitesnake, Pink Floyd,Genesis,Eagles,Walter Trout Band,AC/DC,Bon Jovi, Jon Bon Jovi,Scorpions.and many more.thats my choice of music.

Glenman

03-10-2005, 23:12

Lots Biggies (and best) missing from the previous list...

Queen
Van Morrison
David Bowie

to name but a few........:clap:

budwieser

03-10-2005, 23:17

Lots Biggies (and best) missing from the previous list...

Queen
Van Morrison
David Bowie

to name but a few........:clap:
Included in my many more i must add!:D