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The nthw.com site seems to have gone down, anyone know what is afoot.?
Richard M
14-10-2003, 11:33
This site is currently unavailable. ntl:home apologise for any inconvenience caused.
:erm:
EDIT:
<html><body></body></html>
Now it's totally gone with just the above left, which is typical of a PHP server with no pages to give out.
etccarmageddon
14-10-2003, 11:36
the borg have taken it over - see the link to community!
dialanothernumb
14-10-2003, 11:39
the borg have taken it over - see the link to community!
LOL, that was my first thought. It may be totally innocuous, but if it lingers in downtime, expect the mods here to be busy with more new registrations over the next few hours!
Richard M
14-10-2003, 11:40
It's best not to jump to conclusions, it might just be Frank doing some work on it.
It's best not to jump to conclusions, it might just be Frank doing some work on it.
It's not Frank, I can assure you.
I'm trying to find out more now.
Richard M
14-10-2003, 11:46
It's not Frank, I can assure you.
I'm trying to find out more now.
:disturbd:
It's not Frank, I can assure you.
I'm trying to find out more now.
ohhh even neil doesnt know what it is, curiousier and curiouser :erm:
Interesting post: http://www.frankw.net/blog/archives/2003/10/nthw_mysteriously_goes_offline.php
Richard M
14-10-2003, 11:50
Yeah, I was reading about Frank's meeting with some managers just a moment ago.
Interesting stuff..
etccarmageddon
14-10-2003, 12:04
It's not Frank, I can assure you.
I'm trying to find out more now.
gulp, if that's Neil the mod from .com....
PANIC!
(dont let the morons get you down neil)
The nthw.com site seems to have gone down, anyone know what is afoot.?
Yeah, it's that thing with toes on the end of your leg. I've got two of them.
th'engineer
14-10-2003, 12:12
gulp, if that's Neil the mod from .com....
PANIC!
(dont let the morons get you down neil)
Whatever has happened hopefully we will know more soon, at least we know its an official outage.
You would have thought a few more links should be on that page.
gulp, if that's Neil the mod from .com....
PANIC!
(dont let the morons get you down neil)
I'm not quite sure what you mean TBH 'Etc' :confused:
But yes it is me. :)
orangebird
14-10-2003, 12:13
Yeah, it's that thing with toes on the end of your leg. I've got two of them.
:rofl: :rofl: :D
I have no idea what has happend either. As Neil has said we are trying to find out :eek:
etccarmageddon
14-10-2003, 12:19
what I mean is, if the mods dont know what's going on then I'm assuming something evil is erm afoot.
th'engineer
14-10-2003, 12:25
what I mean is, if the mods dont know what's going on then I'm assuming something evil is erm afoot.
Do you think that there is more to it surely Ash G would have mentioned something on .com.
what I mean is, if the mods dont know what's going on then I'm assuming something evil is erm afoot.
No need for paranoia just yet 'Etc' :rolleyes: ;)
All I know is that it is an 'unofficial outage'.
I will update you as all soon as I know more. :)
ian@huth
14-10-2003, 12:26
The message that is on there now is:
This site is currently unavailable. ntl:home apologise for any inconvenience caused.
If you are looking for help or assistance on our services, please visit the links below.
For Dial up or Broadband queries:
www.ntlworld.com/help
community.ntl.com
For general ntl service issues:
www.ntlhome.com/talk_to_us/index.html
Alternatively you can email us at www.ntlhome.com/contact.
Nothing to say why it is down or that they hope to get it back up soon and it has been down for quite a while. Surely NTL would have contacted Frank and the mods by now to let them know what is going on.
Looks like they may have finally pulled the plug on .com
Etc take it from someone who has been in this situation before, the mods are often the last to know about any changes or outages on .com :(
etccarmageddon
14-10-2003, 12:27
I'm half way through reading Frank's greavance log... after reading that god only knows what NTL plan to do with .com.
orangebird
14-10-2003, 12:29
The message that is on there now is:
Nothing to say why it is down
Maybe because they don't know yet??? :rolleyes:
or that they hope to get it back up soon and it has been down for quite a while.
ntl have bitten themselves in the backsides before for promising things happening soon.....
Surely NTL would have contacted Frank and the mods by now to let them know what is going on.
Looks like they may have finally pulled the plug on .com
All of you are behaving like drama queens or gossipy old women!....:rolleyes:
zoombini
14-10-2003, 12:31
Dont worry about it, the server is just getting some more RAM fitted to bring it upto 640K, but its been hard fitting the chips into the Amstrad Mobo as the dual floppy drives need removing first.
Hence its down fo a while...lol
etccarmageddon
14-10-2003, 12:33
Dont worry about it, the server is just getting some more RAM fitted to bring it upto 640K,
"upgrades" in a Neo voice...
.
Don't worry, I'm sure the return of the forum is "Coming Soon" ;)
handyman
14-10-2003, 12:38
Looks like what happend before :rolleyes:
Tracing route to www.nthellworld.com [62.253.167.55]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 3 ms 2 ms 2 ms 192.168.0.1
2 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms 10.141.47.254
3 12 ms 12 ms 9 ms midd-t2cam1-b-ge-wan34-107.inet.ntl.com [213.106
.238.169]
4 9 ms 10 ms 8 ms midd-t2core-b-ge-wan61.inet.ntl.com [213.106.237
.161]
5 17 ms 18 ms 13 ms ren-bb-b-so-220-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.93]
6 13 ms 14 ms 15 ms ren-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.185]
7 25 ms 28 ms 25 ms bre-bb-b-so-200-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.166]
8 51 ms 29 ms 27 ms win-bb-a-so-400-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.172.233]
9 27 ms 29 ms 28 ms win-dc-a-v902.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.222]
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 * * * Request timed out.
13
The message that is on there now is:
Nothing to say why it is down
Perhaps we don't know yet? :rolleyes:
or that they hope to get it back up soon
That goes without saying.
and it has been down for quite a while.
No it hasn't-about half an hour I would estimate.
Surely NTL would have contacted Frank and the mods by now to let them know what is going on.
Not necessarily.
Looks like they may have finally pulled the plug on .com
Gosh yes-they must have done-let's not jump to any conclusions, or come up with any conspiracy theories shall we? :dozey:
Scarlett
14-10-2003, 12:48
what I mean is, if the mods dont know what's going on then I'm assuming something evil is erm afoot.
Does that mean that its only a little evil ?
hang on if I remember correctly weren't the Gremlins in the film only about 12 inches tall?
evil could indeed be a'foot' !
All of you are behaving like drama queens or gossipy old women!....:rolleyes:
Maybe so OB.
I do not think NTHW will be comming back (in it's old form at least). It's supposition and speculation but it's what I think.
Care for a wager ? Say £10 ? :)
orangebird
14-10-2003, 12:49
Gosh yes-they must have done-let's not jump to any conclusions, or come up with any conspiracy theories shall we? :dozey:
But where's the self righteous, I told you so, 'ntl are b*stards who don't give a **** about their customers' fun in that?? ;)
orangebird
14-10-2003, 12:51
Maybe so OB.
I do not think NTHW will be comming back (in it's old form at least). It's supposition and speculation but it's what I think.
Care for a wager ? Say £10 ? :)
On my wages???? :erm: ;) :rofl:
Scarlett
14-10-2003, 12:52
...Gosh yes-they must have done-let's not jump to any conclusions, or come up with any conspiracy theories shall we? :dozey:
Knock, Knock, Neil...
(sorry, couldn't resist it)
:D :D :D :D :D
ian@huth
14-10-2003, 12:53
Went down around 22:53 from what I can make out. I have a "who's on line" window open that updates quite quickly and that is the time it last updated.
Perhaps there were too many complaints, particularly from old hands, and it was getting embarassing for them.
But where's the self righteous, I told you so, 'ntl are b*stards who don't give a **** about their customers' fun in that?? ;)
So does that mean _if_ it does not come back, you agree that that NTL are as you describe above ?
Careful now OB, you have a job to think of.
MovedGoalPosts
14-10-2003, 12:54
Gosh yes-they must have done-let's not jump to any conclusions, or come up with any conspiracy theories shall we? :dozey:
It's fun to be able to have conspiracy theories. If we didn't these forums would be boring places. And after all ntl do usually invite it upon themselves.
My thought is that a certain ex admin/mod might be back at the helm :eeek:
It went down during my Java PC lab at Uni as I was posting and then it suddenly went to the page.
So I'm guessing around 11 ish. :/
heh, revenge of Craig? :p lol
Perhaps we don't know yet? :rolleyes:
That goes without saying.
No it hasn't-about half an hour I would estimate.
Not necessarily.
Gosh yes-they must have done-let's not jump to any conclusions, or come up with any conspiracy theories shall we? :dozey:
I have to say, it does look a little suspicious don't you think Neil? That page looks 'Planned'. If this really is the plug being pulled, its in true ntl style, i.e lack of communication to the customers and the team who run it.
orangebird
14-10-2003, 12:58
So does that mean _if_ it does not come back, you agree that that NTL are as you describe above ?
No, just imagining what'll be said by certain members if it does happen.... :)
Careful now OB, you have a job to think of.
No need to be too careful...I'm very good at my job, and am in no danger of losing it. Thank you for your concern though :angel:
Scarlett
14-10-2003, 12:59
Given that it provides a page with NTL links on it now, it indicates that something is being activly done.
As to whether thats good or bad as such, only time will tell. (but the conspircy theorys are likely to be MUCH more interesting that the Truth...)
I have to say, it does look a little suspicious don't you think Neil? That page looks 'Planned'. If this really is the plug being pulled, its in true ntl style, i.e lack of communication to the customers and the team who run it.
I suppose it might be a little suspicious, especially as there is no comment about resumption, apologies, we're working on it etc, and there are links to help sites and 'community' :shrug:
I still think you're all jumping the gun to conspiracy theories :rolleyes:
handyman
14-10-2003, 13:02
Does not look planned at all, I mean anyone can knock up a page like that in a few mins and ftp it on.
I have to say, it does look a little suspicious don't you think Neil? That page looks 'Planned'. If this really is the plug being pulled, its in true ntl style, i.e lack of communication to the customers and the team who run it.
Exactly my thoughts.
When you add what has occured and place it in the context of how NTL (as a corporate entity, not as indivdual company reps) has always behaved towards it's customers and add to that what is know of Frank and NTL from his blog.
Like I say my guess is 2+2+2=6 and we will not be seeing the site again.
Sad day :(
I am fully perpared to have 'egg on my face' over this and genuinely hope I do and soon. I just can't help but think what I think.
downquark1
14-10-2003, 13:08
My thought is that a certain ex admin/mod might be back at the helm :eeek:
Aww, you got there first, Craig has done this before hasn't he? Although I do have faith in Frank's password.
ian@huth
14-10-2003, 13:08
Does not look planned at all, I mean anyone can knock up a page like that in a few mins and ftp it on.
Hmmmm. Anyone could have knocked up a better knowledge base than the one on Community in the time it has been there and particularly as Ashg said that they had another 400 plus entries ready to be input quite some time ago. If that page was knocked up in the same timescale it wouldn't appear for a few days yet. :)
david_w2k
14-10-2003, 13:14
I reckon (or hope rather) that the site is just temporarily down. I really hope your not right Erol:(
I suppose it might be a little suspicious, especially as there is no comment about resumption, apologies, we're working on it etc, and there are links to help sites and 'community' :shrug:
I still think you're all jumping the gun to conspiracy theories :rolleyes:
ntl make you jump the gun with conspiracy theories, if they provided customers with facts and less bullsh1t there would be no need for them. :D
They definately should of issued some sort of press release or had someone tell Frank or another mod or even posted it on the holding page.
Maybe so OB.
I do not think NTHW will be comming back (in it's old form at least). It's supposition and speculation but it's what I think.
Care for a wager ? Say £10 ? :)
I'll take that wager Sir. :)
Neil must know something, then ;)
Just wondering if NTL have managed to get the community forums working and have decided to give NTHellWorld.com the chop.
That would be a great shame particularly if NTL decide to exercise censorship on the forums on the community site as forum members often want to discuss unpopular NTL actions.
Anybody got any further info on this please?
th'engineer
14-10-2003, 13:34
heh, revenge of Craig? :p lol
Could have a point
I'll take that wager Sir. :)
If you promise me that you have no information available to you that is not available to me, then done.
Welcome, BBKing. You last visited: Today at 10:41
That was the last page I had up off it. 3 unread PMs, too. Not good, and apologies for anyone who's PM'd me expecting help.
I've never seen an official ntl logo on the site before, either, FWIW.
If you promise me that you have no information available to you that is not available to me, then done.
I can't promise you that Erol-why do you think I took the bet!? :angel:
I actually don't know the full details of the fault (yet ;) ), but I do know the site should be up this afternoon.
Anyone else got a good conspiracy theory!? :D
I was over at .com this am too.It just vanished without warning.
Incog.
downquark1
14-10-2003, 13:49
I've never seen an official ntl logo on the site before, either, FWIW.
That is an excellant point. For most of the time I didn't realize the site was owned by NTL.
th'engineer
14-10-2003, 13:52
Was expecting some Pms back in respect of help for my service
So, there's no conspiracy then? That will dissapoint most!
Can I transfer my rep points? ;)
Incog. :)
downquark1
14-10-2003, 14:01
So, there's no conspiracy then? That will dissapoint most!
It has all the signs of the conspiracy, even the page title has lost the 'hell' bit.
If Franks and the admins manage the software on the server what could ntl possibly be doing?
Speculation anyone?
It has all the signs of the conspiracy, even the page title has lost the 'hell' bit.
If Franks and the admins manage the software on the server what could ntl possibly be doing?
Speculation anyone?
Jeez-would everybody just calm down for a moment? :rolleyes:
Frank & the rest of the team do not look after the servers, we look after the site itself, & all the registrations/queries that come into the site.
The site is hosted on an ntl server, in an ntl data center, & there has been a problem with it this morning. The problem has (I believe) been identified, & a fix is being implemented at the moment.
There is nothing to speculate I'm afraid, so I'm sorry to disappoint all the doom mongers & scaremongerers, but that's all there is to it.
Speculation anyone?
no point in speculating just sit tight and wait for an announcement from NTL or the mods
still.. does not explain why it was taken down......
EDIT there you go neil has given you the answer :rolleyes:
The title of the page is 'ntlworld' rather than 'nthellworld' and the ntl image is in the base directory, not the /images directory. However, the original images are still there, so it hasn't been nuked.
th'engineer
14-10-2003, 14:13
Well we have the update so it should be back "soon" crikey that sonds like an NTL announcement.
ian@huth
14-10-2003, 14:22
The thing that puzzles me (it shouldn't being NTL) is that the site is NTL owned. Ashg and others must know what has happened and they must know who their admins and mods are and how to contact them. It should have been common courtesy to advise the admins / mods of what the situation is. Have they done this? No!
Looking at what happened yesterday I don't think AshG and Frank are exactly on courteous terms.. :/
Thanks Neil and Ben for keeping us all up to date, it is appreciated ;)
I can't promise you that Erol-why do you think I took the bet!? :angel:
I actually don't know the full details of the fault (yet ;) ), but I do know the site should be up this afternoon.
Anyone else got a good conspiracy theory!? :D
That's great news Neil.
(er bet's off btw :) )
Wow..interest in .com must be waining......only 70 posts in 3 hours !!! :rolleyes:
All because it went offline !! :cool:
{FU}Fubar
14-10-2003, 15:12
NTL are just getting on my nerves now , let me guess it will be back up SOON ?
mcauslene
14-10-2003, 15:28
Yeah, probably.
I don't see why they should close such a popular site.
It will be back though. (I hope)
{FU}Fubar
14-10-2003, 15:53
well its now spread to the regsiter good article lol
Didn't the unofficial community site used to redirect to the official community site?
If you go to http://www.ntlcommunity.com you get the message
nthellworld
nthellworld.com will hopefully return soon...
:confused:
Here's the register link
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/22/33382.html
well its now spread to the regsiter good article lol
:zzz: ;)
downquark1
14-10-2003, 16:00
Here's the register link
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/22/33382.html
":EVIL LAUGH: MUHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHH"
Ntl have done it now!!!
{FU}Fubar
14-10-2003, 16:04
well having the SOON bit in the message i doubt it will be up this week LOL
ian@huth
14-10-2003, 16:06
Its got high priority for a fix. There are only fixing newsgroups, fixing e-mail, fixing DNS, fixing proxies and implementing CR3 in the queue before it.
":EVIL LAUGH: MUHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHH"
Ntl have done it now!!!
What exactly have they done?
{FU}Fubar
14-10-2003, 16:08
Ever get the feeling that all this fixing they are doing is showing the users how crap the hardware is and should actualy get some new stuff rather than paying knapp 3k and hour
{FU}Fubar
14-10-2003, 16:10
What exactly have they done?
is it better to say what Havent they done Heheheheh j/k :dunce:
th'engineer
14-10-2003, 16:14
well its now spread to the regsiter good article lolhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/content/22/33382.html
looks good journalisum wonder who the spokesperson is
{FU}Fubar
14-10-2003, 16:17
lol not me if your implying it, stumbled across it looking for the latest BOFH :D
MovedGoalPosts
14-10-2003, 16:17
What's the betting that someone is going to take the oportunity to remove all the ntl related sections, and leave the forum as non ntl only. Something that ntl threatened to do months ago when community was first announced?
ian@huth
14-10-2003, 16:21
Probably taken it off to remove all references to competitors who offer better deals and most of the criticism of NTLs services. Then it may come back with a "Sorry but we lost quite a lot of threads when our servers developed a fault."
{FU}Fubar
14-10-2003, 16:22
Probably taken it off to remove all references to competitors who offer better deals and most of the criticism of NTLs services. Then it may come back with a "Sorry but we lost quite a lot of threads when our servers developed a fault."
ya know as sad as that seems it wouldnt surprise me one bit
Florence
14-10-2003, 16:23
The message that is on there now is:
Nothing to say why it is down or that they hope to get it back up soon and it has been down for quite a while. Surely NTL would have contacted Frank and the mods by now to let them know what is going on.
Looks like they may have finally pulled the plug on .com
Time for hew stratagy
Bet they still havent got STB info on community perhaps all those using STB should now email Ashley G asking why they have removed our only source of help when community doesn't cover us.
And send them daily make his work life hell!!!!!!!!!
Florence
14-10-2003, 16:30
Ever get the feeling that all this fixing they are doing is showing the users how crap the hardware is and should actualy get some new stuff rather than paying knapp 3k and hour
Can't buy new stuff while they are paying Barcley Knapp £3,500 a day!!!!!!!!!!
Just how many customers does it tak to pay him then the other staff before they can spend on the equipment!!!!
Forget new stuff would need a complete change of management first.. And sacking without bonuses would be the best way forward.
mcauslene
14-10-2003, 16:31
Heh, that's random...
????
th'engineer
14-10-2003, 16:34
Time for hew stratagy
Bet they still havent got STB info on community perhaps all those using STB should now email Ashley G asking why they have removed our only source of help when community doesn't cover us.
And send them daily make his work life hell!!!!!!!!!Dont worry there is plenty of information about STB and if Neil thinks it is a only a temporary problem thats all right with me.
Perhaps they are using the site server for e-mail and swapping it for the e-mail server :rolleyes:
It's back up and running.
Florence
14-10-2003, 16:39
Back up for me!!!!!!!!!!
Great wonder whats gone
It's back up and running.
Just as I said it would be. :rolleyes:
Can't buy new stuff while they are paying Barcley Knapp £3,500 a day!!!!!!!!!!
That's Fu's rumour you're picking up on there, this is how pointless threads start. We're definitely buying new stuff, I wouldn't be working so hard if we weren't. As for paying BK that amount of wedge, if he makes more back for the company, great, if not, bad deal. I'm not in a position to judge that.
downquark1
14-10-2003, 17:04
What exactly have they done?
They've got negative concerns/rumours published in media.
Many NTL watchers believe that the site might undergo a makeover to strip out any of the criticisms posted by unhappy customers of the cableco
Got to admit, " it woz me wot dun it guv" , how else am I going to get 100 replies in a day without being controversial.:dmonk:
Richard M
14-10-2003, 22:39
Have you all seen this?
http://www.frankw.net/blog/archives/2003/10/Another_busy_day_at_ntl.php :eek:
Have you all seen this?
http://www.frankw.net/blog/archives/2003/10/Another_busy_day_at_ntl.php :eek:
Strangely enough yes. Now I wonder if his fellow mod team, are going to go on strike in a show of solidarity?
Have you all seen this?
http://www.frankw.net/blog/archives/2003/10/Another_busy_day_at_ntl.php :eek:
:eeek: bluddy hell
and i hope the mod'stand by him
downquark1
14-10-2003, 22:48
Have you all seen this?
http://www.frankw.net/blog/archives/2003/10/Another_busy_day_at_ntl.php :eek:
:eeek: To all those who doubt, I say BEHOLD :eek:
Have you all seen this?
http://www.frankw.net/blog/archives/2003/10/Another_busy_day_at_ntl.php :eek:
I live in hope that one day Frank will be able to tell the full warts-and-all tale. Maybe he should write a book ...
i was going to say maybe the posters should protest, but if we all don't use the site, then bluddy ntl will close it down :mad: @ ntl
downquark1
14-10-2003, 22:52
Send this to theregister, maybe it will be out by the morning.
i was going to say maybe the posters should protest, but if we all don't use the site, then bluddy ntl will close it down :mad: @ ntl
They're going to close it eventually anyway. This site is the best possible protest ... it does everything .com did but without being under the shadow of ntl. It's been nice to see some familiar names on here in the last 24 hours that don't usually come to .co.uk much. Hope everyone hangs around a while longer. :wavey:
Richard M
14-10-2003, 22:59
I'm so glad we moved over here... :erm:
homealone
14-10-2003, 23:02
Strangely enough yes. Now I wonder if his fellow mod team, are going to go on strike in a show of solidarity?
having met Frank, recently, during which I couldn't help thinking he is a thoroughly decent bloke, I would be quite prepared to boycott *.com in protest at his treatment? - that may be putting neil etc out on a limb - and having met Neil I wouldn't want to upset him, either. ( cos you are also a good bloke)
What would be appropriate?, I do feel a solidarity with Frank & Neil - what is the best way the customers they have helped could tell the NTL board how we feel?
Why are people so worried about a forum going down?
One of my regulars has been hacked but I'm not going on about it.
The internet is not foolproof and sites and servers go down for no apparant reason from time to time.
Get over it and stop worrying about it.
There is more to life than a web site.
Richard M
14-10-2003, 23:03
having met Frank, recently, during which I couldn't help thinking he is a thoroughly decent bloke, I would be quite prepared to boycott *.com in protest at his treatment? - that may be putting neil etc out on a limb - and having met Neil I wouldn't want to upset him, either. ( cos you are also a good bloke)
What would be appropriate?, I do feel a solidarity with Frank & Neil - what is the best way the customers they have helped could tell the NTL board how we feel?
I think we should mass mail the entire staff of NTL with the full story from 2001-present. :D :erm: :nono:
j/k :naughty:
having met Frank, recently, during which I couldn't help thinking he is a thoroughly decent bloke, I would be quite prepared to boycott *.com in protest at his treatment? - that may be putting neil etc out on a limb - and having met Neil I wouldn't want to upset him, either. ( cos you are also a good bloke)
What would be appropriate?, I do feel a solidarity with Frank & Neil - what is the best way the customers they have helped could tell the NTL board how we feel?
yeah i feel the same......i spent a LOT of time with frank and neil, considering we had 8hours worth of travelling.......frank is a complete gem and it pee's me off the way he's being treated......
but what can we do other than whinge and whinge till they put him back! or start a "bring back frank" thread lol
downquark1
14-10-2003, 23:06
It seems to be fixed now
http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/showthread.php?p=527536#post527536
http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/member.php?u=1
:confused:
It seems to be fixed now
http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/showthread.php?p=527536#post527536
http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/member.php?u=1
:confused:
hmmmmmmm
It seems to be fixed now
http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/showthread.php?p=527536#post527536
http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/member.php?u=1
:confused:
Theres also comments here:
http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/showthread.php?p=527528#post527528
I'm so glad we moved over here... :erm:
Me too :cool:
homealone
14-10-2003, 23:23
I think we should mass mail the entire staff of NTL with the full story from 2001-present. :D :erm: :nono:
j/k :naughty:
Roger K, we got internally borked on our servers today - someone sent a 4 meg powerpoint file attached in an email to all users, over 1000 of us.. intranet & link to file hasn't sunk in!
what are you saying?:D
sorry, to make it clear that is our company intranet - not ntl, we run on NT with a Lotus Notes client.
Roger K, we got internally borked on our servers today - someone sent a 4 meg powerpoint file attached in an email to all users, over 1000 of us.. intranet & link to file hasn't sunk in!
what are you saying?:D
LOL I know of a great Word document to send to all the Ntl associates!!!!!
No, thats naughty :nono: :LOL:
Have you guys seen the post in this thread by Minder (used to be Mick (mod))
They've suspended Frank!!!
So todays outage was more than a fault :rolleyes:
homealone
15-10-2003, 00:01
LOL I know of a great Word document to send to all the Ntl associates!!!!!
No, thats naughty :nono: :LOL::LOL::rotfl:
Yeah just seen it dellwear.
Congrats on the 1000 posts too homealone.
For those who haven't seen it the post is here (http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/showpost.php?p=527589&postcount=7)
Richard M
15-10-2003, 00:12
For those who haven't seen it the post is here (http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/showpost.php?p=527589&postcount=7)
:eeek:
Cheers Page, I never did work out how to link to just one post :(
Click on the post number in the top right corner of the post. It opens the post in a new window. Copy the URL and paste as desired.
Hope this helps :)
Richard M
15-10-2003, 00:27
So from what I can guess (and this is a guess), Ash G has taken over .com, posting a rather late security article on the front page, Frank has been suspended and had all his news + forum rights removed, Mick has quit and gone back to being Minder and NTL have been threatening KingPhoenix about the content of Frank's blog!
Meanwhile on this site, our membership has increased at nearly the rate of our opening day... :spin:
Now people over there are asking if Nizza will be back.
Does this mean that all the admins are resigning?
Frank is suspended. Mick has left. Craig is suspended. If Neil and Ben leave then there is a slight problem over there esp if they don't think about it first.
carlingman
15-10-2003, 00:41
Now people over there are asking if Nizza will be back.
Does this mean that all the admins are resigning?
Frank is suspended. Mick has left. Craig is suspended. If Neil and Ben leave then there is a slight problem over there esp if they don't think about it first.
Just to put this into context here.
Mick has left and gone back to his original posting name of Minder.
One person is asking if this is likely to see the return of Nizza in a reply to Micks comments applauding him for supporting Frank and that was myself.
As for Ben leaving well I am in no position to comment on that as he has not posted.
Craigs suspension happened a long time before the current events surfaced so lets not go jumping the gun here.
Other than to say at this current time it appears to be a bit of free for all over at .com as there are no mods on board at present.
:)
Will there ever be a mod on the board again?
Will my account ever get authorised?
Am I stuck in validating mode forever?
What will happen to the site if all the mods leave?
carlingman
15-10-2003, 00:48
Will there ever be a mod on the board again?
Will my account ever get authorised?
Am I stuck in validating mode forever?
What will happen to the site if all the mods leave?
Well I would say at present no.
Frank has to be in bed by a certain time according to NTL.
There are currently no Mods on there at present and hopefully they are considering their options.
Now that leaves the authorisation down to that ****wit Ash G who has successfully destroyed the site and Frank career within NTL.
So dont hold your hopes out of getting your membership there authorised.
Sorry to appear blunt but I am guessing thats the way it is.
:)
I guesed as much but I don't think that Ash G has admin CP access as he is just a normal user like everyone else.
Surely it will mess things up a lot if no-one has access to the CP as they will then have to wipe the site and start afresh or just give up and do something with community
Richard M
15-10-2003, 01:01
I guesed as much but I don't think that Ash G has admin CP access as he is just a normal user like everyone else.
He will have, nobody else would have banned Frank.
I remember seeing part of the email on Frank's blog that quoted AshG as saying "I would like the passwords for the site".
MovedGoalPosts
15-10-2003, 01:03
Well after all the speculation earlier today, this really could be the writing on the wall for .com. Certainly someones gonna have to get a grip fast if they arent to be left without any admins / mods. Ntl can't have an unmoderated site in their control, far too much of a liability. Community anyone?
Oh yeah forgot about that bit.
Couldn't someone change them though from inside the CP?
Richard M
15-10-2003, 01:29
It's almost our time now at .co.uk I think... :)
Even a search on ntlworld.com gives this site as the 4th (and best) result for NTL proxies! :rofl:
http://www.ntlworld.com/searchresults/search_ntlworld.php?q=ntl+proxy&cr=countryUK%7CcountryGB
im truely appalled by the treatment frank has recieved by NTL namely ashley grossman the F*****G B******D :2up: :2up: :2up: :2up: :2up:
im truely appalled by the treatment frank has recieved by NTL namely ashley grossman the F*****G B******D :2up: :2up: :2up: :2up: :2up:
kronie for once i am in TOTAL agreement when it comes to this......
wonder if ashg knows what hes letting himself in for :2up:
wonder if ashg knows what hes letting himself in for :2up:
he doesnt care hes got his site if he is in full control it was a matter of time before they fully took over i knew selling it was a bad option as i was against that from the start but i thought it maybe good for the site......
but that **** ashley grossman :2up: :2up: :2up: :2up: :2up:
im so angry.........
yeah am mad on franks behalf...consider him a mate and it ****es me off
This is all terrible and I hope they get what they deserve
MovedGoalPosts
15-10-2003, 01:40
wonder if ashg knows what hes letting himself in for :2up:
Or perhaps the question should be - does he (Ash G) care what he's letting himself in for? From the comments posted recently on this site and elsewhere I suspect he doesn't which probably indicates why he makes a good ntl manager.
handyman
15-10-2003, 02:04
ash g is a ****er, take it from me I had dealings with him while I was still at ntl, dont trust him at all.
Or perhaps the question should be - does he (Ash G) care what he's letting himself in for? From the comments posted recently on this site and elsewhere I suspect he doesn't which probably indicates why he makes a good ntl manager.
It still doesnt make sense ?
If the objective was to remove Frank and still keep the site going, then there were much better ways of doing this. The moderators and admins would have to be spoken too. To just 'chop him' and without any 'preperation' makes no sense.
If the objective was to remove Frank and close the site down, why not just leave it down form earlier today ?
I am starting to think that Ashley may have just 'lost it' as far as Frank goes and has reacted 'emotionaly' by cutting him off, without thinking things through or any real planning. I guess that could explain the mess.?
ash g is a ****er, take it from me I had dealings with him while I was still at ntl, dont trust him at all.
Well I had my own 'disapointment' at the hands of Ashley. Details of a private phone discussion I had with him and follow up private email ended up on the .com forums within a day. I certainly lost much trust in him following that. He claimed that he was not the source and had discussed these things with only a 'very few' people.
Not a great track record.
NTL should be hanging their heads in shame.........
DonFluffy
15-10-2003, 02:51
Ntl is a business. Frank was a thorn in their side. BK saild he would close that site down.
He did.
Was Frank right to sell...... YES and NO.
Sell for the amount that has been wildly disussed... no.. sorry Frank.. you were a mug. Sell for the amount quoted times 5 or even times 10. hell yeah!
The old site is gone... its not too hard to tell who is here, and what there motives are, but hopefully this site won't be all "I hate Ntl, f**K Ntl, Ntl are to$$ers etc" and hopefully it wont require Ntl employees to intervine on the behalf of customers..
maybe Ntl will look at this site and see the problems / issues raised and do something pro-active for a change..
we can dream...
Lord Nikon
15-10-2003, 08:53
brown smelly stuff + fan = splat.....
looks like this COULD be the end of .com really...
{FU}Fubar
15-10-2003, 09:39
well the thread over at .com has been removed so thats the end of it then :/
downquark1
15-10-2003, 09:44
well the thread over at .com has been removed so thats the end of it then :/
I got a copy of it last night, did anyone else get it since?
As the thread starter, I haven't even got an explanation of the deletion :2up:
Thats it! I'm writing to theregister.
Does this mean Neil has lost control to? Or did he delete it?
I got a copy of it last night, did anyone else get it since?
As the thread starter, I haven't even got an explanation of the deletion :2up:
Thats it! I'm writing to theregister.
Does this mean Neil has lost control to? Or did he delete it?
I never got to see it, can you PM it ? or host it somewhere ?
etccarmageddon
15-10-2003, 09:49
I got a copy of it last night, did anyone else get it since?
As the thread starter, I haven't even got an explanation of the deletion :2up:
Thats it! I'm writing to theregister.
Does this mean Neil has lost control to? Or did he delete it?
just got a pm from neil and things dont sound positive. he wasnt responsible for the thread going and is also annoyed about it.
(neil I hope you dont mind me writing this)
OK this could be a bit of a controversial post, but here goes.....
I don't know how old Frank is, but from the fact he mentions on his blog site he was finishing a Uni course I estimate under 25 years. I also assume from that he has never worked for a large corporation before (if worked in commerce at all).
It appears he was a bit naive in expecting to start work for ntl and be able to dictate not only what job he did but to also dictate how it was done. In a situation like this (i.e. another number on a large company salary sheet) you do what you are told, when you are told and you do not make decisions. You can put forward ideas but do not expect answers. Oh and you do not start grievance procedures against your boss !! One last thing..if you don't get on with your line manager, you are doomed. No question.
I'm afraid IMO Frank's position in ntl is now untenable, he has nowhere to go. He took on a particular role and that is now bolloxed and with it I very much fear will go .com also without him at the helm.
That is unless there are some very determined people in the right places who are of a mind to save it !!
I got a copy of it last night, did anyone else get it since?
As the thread starter, I haven't even got an explanation of the deletion :2up:
Thats it! I'm writing to theregister.
Does this mean Neil has lost control to? Or did he delete it?
I can assure you 100% that I did not delete/remove it.
downquark1
15-10-2003, 10:01
I will post the thread later today (it's on my home computer).
here is the draft I my letter. Should I send it now or wait for more developements?
I would like to write to inform you of new developments that have arisen since the article 'ntlworld.com disappears".
Although the site has been restored, it appears that NTL have suspended the editor Frank during the site outage. Frank, it seems was not told of this (I refer you to his blog: http://www.frankw.net/blog/)
As protest a few of the other moderators have refused to continue running the site. A thread about the subject was made by myself on nthellworld.com, however it has been deleted in the last few minutes (I do have a copy of the thread)
At this point, it is yet to be seen whether the suspension was a mistake as we have not had a statement from NTL. Any tips, I'm no good at letters.
etccarmageddon
15-10-2003, 10:01
as far as I'm concerned nthellworld.com no longer exists.
certainly not as a place for any sensible free from censorship discussion.
downquark1
15-10-2003, 10:04
I can assure you 100% that I did not delete/remove it.
Do you still have your modding priviledges? Do you have a record of who deleted the thread???
Richard M
15-10-2003, 10:25
The thread was deleted as it was a highly personal dicussion about individuals. Sorry
There we go then.
nthellworld.com as we know it has been taken over.
It's all a bit chaotic over there at the moment and it's not a pretty sight, with members creating threads about AshG etc...
From the moment NTL got hold of .com it was a doomed site.
does anybody really expect anything other than a disaster and a lot of angry annoyed people where ntl are concerned.
If anybody thought it would turn out any different you are daft enough to work for the company, so go and apply for a job.
Scarlett
15-10-2003, 10:43
There we go then.
nthellworld.com as we know it has been taken over.
I think it was all the comments about how much of an a****** AshG was that caused it to be deleted. To be fair there were a number of personal attacks againt the gen... person in question.
However, he appear's to be stating that the original topic will not be allowed to be discussed because it is contentious. i.e. Fracks internal dispute with NTL.
So I'm going to try and get a clear answer here (http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/showthread.php?p=527787#post527787)
downquark1
15-10-2003, 11:15
From the moment NTL got hold of .com it was a doomed site.
i don't know about that, it was handy to have people with connections to directly sort out problems.
downquark1
15-10-2003, 11:36
There we go then.
nthellworld.com as we know it has been taken over.
It's all a bit chaotic over there at the moment and it's not a pretty sight, with members creating threads about AshG etc...
My reply is here:
http://www.nthellworld.com/forum/showpost.php?p=527822&postcount=68
I can assure you 100% that I did not delete/remove it.
So are you going to support Frank then and resign?
.com is very busy this morning.More members than I seen in a long time and the fur is flying.
I think I will stay here where it's nice and quiet.
Incog :)
orangebird
15-10-2003, 12:23
So are you going to support Frank then and resign?
That's a bloody unfair and stupid question. :rolleyes:
So are you going to support Frank then and resign?
Hmm, that's a lot to ask of anyone. This isn't a life changing situation, it's a forum. Neil is employed to do a job, which he does well. Frank has some issues that a lot of people support, including Neil. The option to resign is a personal one to Neil and would not be based just on the current dealings with Frank.
I doubt that Frank would ever ask that anyone resign to support him.
Very unfair question.
Hmm, that's a lot to ask of anyone. This isn't a life changing situation, it's a forum. Neil is employed to do a job, which he does well.
Thank you. :blush:
Frank has some issues that a lot of people support, including Neil. The option to resign is a personal one to Neil and would not be based just on the current dealings with Frank.
Correct.
I doubt that Frank would ever ask that anyone resign to support him.
He wouldn't, I have known Frank on a personal level for about 3 years now, (so I probably know him better then most here) & I don't believe he would ever do that.
Very unfair question.
I don't expect anything else from a friend/lover/associate of Kerry Anne Peters-it was probably her that made the post under that login. :rolleyes:
:wavey: hi da daddy......hope franks doing ok, send him my love...........
as for everything thats going on, i know that you qwill make the right decision, have every faith in u mate
I don't expect anything else from a friend/lover/associate of Kerry Anne Peters-it was probably her that made the post under that login. :rolleyes:
Well, if Frank ever needs any tips on how to get past the mods approving new registrations he only needs to ask :rolleyes:
So you'll be in charge now that Frank's gone then?
Stuart W
15-10-2003, 14:42
I would imagin there will be a meeting between the mods & ashg to discuss what happens next.
And in the true tradition of all things ntl, it'll take a while.
ian@huth
15-10-2003, 15:04
I would imagin there will be a meeting between the mods & ashg to discuss what happens next.
And in the true tradition of all things ntl, it'll take a while.
Don't be stupid Stu. :)
This is NTL.
Do they discuss anything?
It may take a while or it may be soon. But which of these is the longest wait?
Don't be stupid Stu. :)
This is NTL.
Do they discuss anything?
It may take a while or it may be soon. But which of these is the longest wait?
Community has been 'coming soon' for getting on 5 months and counting ... but then BB has been 'coming soon' for UDT et al for several years. Pick a number and multiply it by the amount BK earns per hour, reckon the result to be in years and you might be close.
:wavey: hi da daddy......hope franks doing ok, send him my love...........
Errr yeah ok....:erm:
as for everything thats going on, i know that you qwill make the right decision, have every faith in u mate
Thanks Bex, much appreciated.
downquark1
15-10-2003, 16:04
Neil has posted this on .com. I thought I'd save him the job of repeating it. Ok...
Here you go....
Having spoken to Ben & Ash earlier, I have established a few facts, & here are a few points that people may be interested in....
1) The decision to suspend Frank's account on here was taken about 6pm last night, & was nothing to do with yesterday's downtime.
2) It was Ash's mistake that the original thread was deleted (rather than just removed while the abusive content was removed) He just did it in the heat of the moment rather than ask one of us to deal with it, & his lack of knowledge of VBulletin allowed him to delete it.
3) Myself & Ben will continue to run .com, as we feel we have the experience & knowledge to do so (it is my belief that the team here has alwyas run the site anyway) & at the end of the day-I would hate to see what Frank started (I.E a site to help customers) go to waste.
4) I have not discussed who will/won't replace Frank, & as far as I'm concerned the site stays open with us running it.
5) I have spoken to Frank briefly this afternoon, & would like to stress that he has put me under no pressure whatsoever to resign/stay etc-although as a friend I fully support Frank in what he does, & what he is currently going through.
6) I hope I have addresses people's concerns, please understand also what a hard time this has been for us-I logged on this morning to find all hell breaking loose because of someone's mistake with VBulletin.
7) I genuinely want the site to remain open & believe it 'could' be a site that revolutionises the way online help is given, but I will not allow ntl to dictate to me, as I feel I know the site's members far better than they do.
That's it really, please be patient, & if anyone posts a question-don't start $lagging me off because I don't reply straight away-I do have a life & a job away from this site (believe it or not!)
Neil.
downquark1
15-10-2003, 17:36
As promised here is a copy of said thread.
If anyone has a recent copy I would be happy to edit it and post it for them.
I have removed personal attacks and since Ashley has now admitted that it was a mistake to delete it I see no reason against posting it here.
It would appear that Frank has quit.
http://www.frankw.net/blog/archives/2003/10/I_quit.php
good for him, as i said on his blog he's too good for them anyway
I just tried to reply on his blog but there is an error on it so I'll just say it here instead.
Fight them for every last penny that they owe you Frank. You deserve it. They are nothing but **** for the way that they have treated you.
I just tried to reply on his blog but there is an error on it so I'll just say it here instead.
Fight them for every last penny that they owe you Frank. You deserve it. They are nothing but **** for the way that they have treated you.
Agreed.. Cant believe the way theyre treating you.. They're just digging there own hole, and showing people how they really are.
Judging by the 'who's online' bit at the bottom of the forum front page, a lot more people are frequenting this site lately. Is this as a result of folks coming over for a look while .com was down?
Anyone with access to the full-on hit stats want to tell us exactly what the impact on this site has been?
Also, the old version of the forum told us how many unique visits the site had had during the day. I always used to look at that as a comparison between .com and .co.uk to see how well this site was doing at expanding its appeal (not in competition with .com necessarily, but using it as a benchmark). That stat has now gone, but it would be nice to have it back... :)
Some clues are given if you follow the link above to Frank's blog and scroll down a bit.
Referrers within last 24 hours (min 2 refs):
nthellworld User Forum [74]
nthellworld.co.uk [19]
Some clues are given if you follow the link above to Frank's blog and scroll down a bit.
Indulge my stupidity for a mo ... 'referrers'?
Indulge my stupidity for a mo ... 'referrers'?
Which website they've clicked a link on to visit Franks blog
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