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telfordcable
12-03-2012, 17:08
I cannot understand why is Virgin Media upgrade to 60 Meg from 30 Meg in the next 18 months is too long while BT had confirmed that all UK who had FTTC 40 Meg Down /10 Meg Up will be upgrade to 80 Meg Down / 20 Meg Up in early April with a nationwide instant (no area by area roll out)

Virgin Media took too long 18 months area by area roll out is a joke!
Virgin Media 30 Meg down upgrade to 60 Meg down is a joke!
Virgin Media 3 Meg up (upgrade) to 6 Meg up is a joke!

Only BT FTTC 80 Meg down and 20 Meg up in Early April will beat Virgin Media 60 Meg down and 6 Meg up. Virgin Media should have 80 Meg down and 20 Meg up to match BT.

If BT FTTC available in my area, I will say goodbye to Virgin Media because upgrade to double speed in the next 18 months is far too long to wait, and upload should have done better!

carlwaring
12-03-2012, 17:25
You go for it, TC! I love a good rant :D

Personally, I'll wait for my FREE (annual price rise excepted) double-speed upgrade, thanks.

Ignitionnet
12-03-2012, 17:25
I cannot understand why is Virgin Media upgrade to 60 Meg from 30 Meg in the next 18 months is too long while BT had confirmed that all UK who had FTTC 40 Meg Down /10 Meg Up will be upgrade to 80 Meg Down / 20 Meg Up in early April with a nationwide instant (no area by area roll out)

They've confirmed no such thing which makes the rest of your post rather superfluous.

Hugh
12-03-2012, 17:25
"rest of the post"????

Stephen
12-03-2012, 17:31
Well as VM is giving all 50Mb customer 100Mb for free and then all 100Mb customers 120Mb again for FREE then your post is really pointless as per usual.

That of course beats the BT FTTC speeds by miles!

telfordcable
12-03-2012, 17:56
are 120Mb download will get 20 Meg Upload ? I had cancel my 100 Meg as the speed was rubbish every days at peak time down to 57 Meg, waste of money, I revert back to 30 Meg.

craigj2k12
12-03-2012, 18:04
telford cable returns :D :D :D

another 60 page thread :D

qasdfdsaq
12-03-2012, 19:05
Yeah, I was going to say, welcome back telfordcable.

Last I head BT's line was trial period of "up to 6 months" from February but some sources have claimed they are aiming for an April launch:

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2158839/bt-confirms-openreach-speeds-double-80mbit-april

Phil-ntl
12-03-2012, 19:14
Here we go again........https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2014/04/4.gif

Jumping
12-03-2012, 19:14
The Infinity network (FTTC) is newly built and designed to be able to get upgraded and future proof so its easy for BT to squeeze more out of it without having to do any physical work.

If you have the option to get Infinity and want it then by all means why not go for it, where I live there is no plans by BT to do any roll out so im staying with Virgin.

Forgot to say its better to vote with your feet than just moaning for no reason...imho

Andrewcrawford23
12-03-2012, 19:14
I cannot understand why is Virgin Media upgrade to 60 Meg from 30 Meg in the next 18 months is too long while BT had confirmed that all UK who had FTTC 40 Meg Down /10 Meg Up will be upgrade to 80 Meg Down / 20 Meg Up in early April with a nationwide instant (no area by area roll out)

Virgin Media took too long 18 months area by area roll out is a joke!
Virgin Media 30 Meg down upgrade to 60 Meg down is a joke!
Virgin Media 3 Meg up (upgrade) to 6 Meg up is a joke!

Only BT FTTC 80 Meg down and 20 Meg up in Early April will beat Virgin Media 60 Meg down and 6 Meg up. Virgin Media should have 80 Meg down and 20 Meg up to match BT.

If BT FTTC available in my area, I will say goodbye to Virgin Media because upgrade to double speed in the next 18 months is far too long to wait, and upload should have done better!


buh bye then go to bt dnt come back to moan as your moans aint constructive man just general rants get yourself a blog

qasdfdsaq
12-03-2012, 19:29
Well as VM is giving all 50Mb customer 100Mb for free and then all 100Mb customers 120Mb again for FREE then your post is really pointless as per usual.

That of course beats the BT FTTC speeds by miles!
Except that

a) VM are increasing their prices
b) BT are giving 20mb customers (avg. speed 6mb) users up to 80mb (avg speed probably >60mb) for free, a much bigger increase.
c) VM's upload speeds still pale in comparison - remember some areas are stuck on 1.75mb or 5mb upload, even with >100mb download
d) VM's upgrades won't be finishing for a year and a half
e) VM are 3 upgrade cycles behind in some areas (10:1 upload not complete, 100mb rollout not complete, double speed not even started)
f) After the next - imminent - set of upgrades finish, VM will be charging £25 for 50/5* or 100/5 (*not necessarily 50/5 all the time) while BT are expected to be charging £25 for 80/20

* Unless you use it too much, then 50/1.75 or if you use it way too much, 0/0.
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buh bye then go to bt dnt come back to moan as your moans aint constructive man just general rants get yourself a blog
Telford is due to get FTTC on 01/06/2012, so only a few months to tolerate this guy.

Sirius
12-03-2012, 19:47
"rest of the post"????

Thanks for not quoting his post It means i dont get to see his post :clap:

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Telford is due to get FTTC on 01/06/2012, so only a few months to tolerate this guy.

It will not stop him posting bull excreta


:LOL: i have just realised there are 2 in this thread whose posts i don't see.

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Well as VM is giving all 50Mb customer 100Mb for free and then all 100Mb customers 120Mb again for FREE then your post is really pointless as per usual.

That of course beats the BT FTTC speeds by miles!

:clap:

carlwaring
12-03-2012, 19:49
Except that

a) VM are increasing their prices
Which they do every year, so it's not really relevant.

b) BT are giving 20mb customers (avg. speed 6mb)...
Last time I checked, just under 70% of cable users get the speed they're paying for. For ADSL, that figure was <50%. Has that changed recently?

...users up to 80mb (avg speed probably >60mb) for free, a much bigger increase.
Not yet, apparently.

c) VM's upload speeds still pale in comparison
For most people, I think upload speed isn't an issue.

d) VM's upgrades won't be finishing for a year and a half
Assuming they don't finish ahead of schedule. Which, if recent news (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/503/100mb-service-available-to-over-10-million-households) is any indication, they may well finish sooner.

f) After the next - imminent - set of upgrades finish, VM will be charging £25 for 50/5...
Base price. Not including discounts/mates rates/etc.

while BT are expected to be charging £25 for 80/20
Well we all know that most current ADSL users don't get anywhere near their headline speed at any time. Any information on how close to headline speed their Infinity product is for the average customer?

Andrewcrawford23
12-03-2012, 20:01
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i see ou are still pro virign carl and you dnt work for them lol

see i would perosnal take you comments more seriously if you was not so dismisse and making viring sound good, most peopel do want more upload an not jst the torrent seeder, ideo calls, online storage and plenty of other reasons peopel want mroe uplaod bandwidth but ia int goign to question some of your other poitns as i can tbe bothered i still remebr what you ar eliek for pro virign form teh past, but some points i wouldnt dispute as you are correct in what oyu say

qasdfdsaq
12-03-2012, 20:09
Which they do every year, so it's not really relevant.
Increasing costs for increasing speed vs. not costs for increasing speed is very relevant.

Last time I checked, just under 70% of cable users get the speed they're paying for. For ADSL, that figure was <50%. Has that changed recently?VDSL changed that.

Not yet, apparently.Neither are VM. What's your point?


For most people, I think upload speed isn't an issue.
For most people, I think download speed isn't an issue.


Assuming they don't finish ahead of schedule. Which, if recent news (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/503/100mb-service-available-to-over-10-million-households) is any indication, they may well finish sooner.
Recent news says they are 4-5 months BEHIND schedule on the first of 3 sets of upgrades necessary before double speeds can take place.


Base price. Not including discounts/mates rates/etc.
Wrong. £25.50 after discounts. £34.75 before.
Infinity is £25 before discounts.


Well we all know that most current ADSL users don't get anywhere near their headline speed at any time. Any information on how close to headline speed their Infinity product is for the average customer?Infinity customers get the almost the same percentage of their provisioned speed as VM 50mb customers (2% less). In proportion to "headline speed" which is subject to marketing spin, VM 50mb gets 96% and BT 40mb gets 90%.

Infinity customers are not subject to STM or deliberate reductions in speed. Infinity customers are also guaranteed a minimum speed at all times.

Interactive activities, such as web browsing, are faster on BT 40mb than VM 50mb.

Ignitionnet
12-03-2012, 20:18
Don't play with either troll.

I had to put a post in this thread, the first two posters amusingly were both on my ignore list but I was bored and curious.

Sirius
12-03-2012, 20:21
Don't play with either troll.

I had to put a post in this thread, the first two posters amusingly were both on my ignore list but I was bored and curious.

Great minds think alike it was the same for me :LOL:

Andrewcrawford23
12-03-2012, 20:22
i wonder if i am on ingition ingoer lsit lol :D

qasdfdsaq
12-03-2012, 20:25
Don't play with either troll.

I had to put a post in this thread, the first two posters amusingly were both on my ignore list but I was bored and curious.
Oh, they both trolls?

Dammit, I fell for it again. My bad. Maybe I need an upgraded trolldar

Back to doing my actual job then, instead of falling for this crap over and over again :(

Ignitionnet
12-03-2012, 20:26
i wonder if i am on ingition ingoer lsit lol :D

Not yet.

While we're talking about FTTC... http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/i/5088.html

It's off topic but far more interesting than the topic anyway, TalkTalk ask for £5 a month extra for 80Mb/20Mb over their 40Mb/2Mb service, however it should be noted that TalkTalk take their service direct from Openreach while BT Infinity is a BT Wholesale resold service so is at the mercy of Wholesale's price list.

Openreach charge £2.55/month not including VAT more for 80Mb/20Mb than 40Mb/10Mb.

It's not going to be free, BT are already taking a hit charging the same for Infinity as Total, they're not going to take another £5+/month hit on 80Mb/20Mb, their margins are already pretty slim on this product.

Chrysalis
12-03-2012, 20:31
VM do match FTTC on download speeds just one has to sign up to one of VMs highest 2 tiers, and the market is download focused at the moment.

qasdfdsaq
12-03-2012, 20:56
It's not going to be free, BT are already taking a hit charging the same for Infinity as Total, they're not going to take another £5+/month hit on 80Mb/20Mb, their margins are already pretty slim on this product.
Hmm. Analysts have said BT charging £25 for 40mb while VM are going to charge £25 for 100 would mean they would have to offer the upgraded speeds at no cost or look very uncompetitive.

Quite how this will pan out I don't know but competition is good, right?.

Kymmy
12-03-2012, 21:12
Can I remind members that the IGNORE feature is the best way to go if you do not like a particular member, or just simply leave the thread.. Also I suggest that if you do not have anything to add to the topic then you do not post.

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carlwaring
13-03-2012, 00:44
i see ou are still pro virign carl and you dnt work for them lol
Yes. And your point is?

most peopel do want more upload
Do you have any evidence to back-up this claim?

Chrysalis
13-03-2012, 00:46
Hmm. Analysts have said BT charging £25 for 40mb while VM are going to charge £25 for 100 would mean they would have to offer the upgraded speeds at no cost or look very uncompetitive.

Quite how this will pan out I don't know but competition is good, right?.



VM trying to trash the market more it seems forcing prices down.

However BT are superior value in phone services so BT could argue the higher broadband price is offset in a phone/broadband combo deal as well as the higher upload speeds and better gaming performance.

Maggy
13-03-2012, 02:00
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Sirius
13-03-2012, 07:42
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

And Breath or you will get a headache Maggy :)

jb66
13-03-2012, 08:13
Can I remind members that the IGNORE feature is the best way to go if you do not like a particular member, or just simply leave the thread.. Also I suggest that if you do not have anything to add to the topic then you do not post.

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Can you ignore mods? :)

Hugh
13-03-2012, 08:17
Not if they are posting as a Mod in bold.

Can you put us on ignore? Don't know, but if you could, and ignored Mod/Admin requests, the outcome for someone who did that could be sub-optimal....;)

qasdfdsaq
13-03-2012, 11:58
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Sephiroth
13-03-2012, 13:46
Yes. And your point is?


Do you have any evidence to back-up this claim?

This was about most people wanting increased upload. I think that your question was put more out of contrariness (as usual) than substance.

It's like most people want lower taxes. You don't need evidence for the realms of the bleedin' obvious. Even if AndrewCrawford should have said "many" instead of "most" his point is sound seeing how upload activities have increased significantly in recent months.

Then it becomes a less easy to answer matter of who prefers BT Infinity and its upload speed offer for a single tier (40/10) or VM's offer for 50/5 or 100/10?

Gamers would prefer BT Infinity because of its better latency. (So don't ask where the evidence is for that). But, perversely, BT Infinity isn't yet available everywhere that VM cable is.

qasdfdsaq
13-03-2012, 14:00
I should point out, Openreach confirmed the following publicly yesterday (http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/updates/briefings/super-fastfibreaccessbriefings/super-fastfibreaccessbriefingsarticles/nga00612.do):

FTTC 80mbps download with 20mbps upload will be released 10th April. That compares favourably to VM who haven't even finished rolling out 50/5 in some areas yet (but might do by then)

Prioritisation rate (in effect, guaranteed minimum speed) is doubling from 15mbps to 30mbps.

Fault threshold is being removed, new monitoring systems are being put in, so it's easier to get OR to investigate faults.

You still get 90 days in which to cancel, get a full refund, and termination without penalty if your line doesn't get at least 50% of the predicted speed when you ordered.

Infinity is *expected* to exceed 40% household coverage by this summer and 66% by the end of next year, so will probably overtake VM's cable coverage somewhere around the end of 2012/early 2013.

carlwaring
13-03-2012, 14:06
This was about most people wanting increased upload. I think that your question was put more out of contrariness (as usual) than substance.
You can think what you like. Doesn't mean you're right.

It's like most people want lower taxes. You don't need evidence for the realms of the bleedin' obvious. Even if AndrewCrawford should have said "many" instead of "most" his point is sound seeing how upload activities have increased significantly in recent months.
Then you won't have any problem providing empirical evidence, will you.

Gamers would prefer BT Infinity because of its better latency. (So don't ask where the evidence is for that).
Why not?

daggman
13-03-2012, 14:28
Makes me laugh , i like playing video games and in the video game world there are people who side with there console and becomes FANboys, never tought i would see FANboys of a cable company.

Sirius
13-03-2012, 14:31
Makes me laugh , i like playing video games and in the video game world there are people who side with there console and becomes FANboys, never tought i would see FANboys of a cable company.

You can bet some nerds get off on this site, Its like NERD porn to them.

craigj2k12
13-03-2012, 15:48
You can bet some nerds get off on this site, Its like NERD porn to them.

I know the kind of people.... the ones who get excited over.....

http://images.wikia.com/lotr/images/c/c4/Gandalf_the_white_in_Fangorn.jpg

qasdfdsaq
13-03-2012, 16:36
Naked women is nerd porn to this nerd.

carlwaring
13-03-2012, 16:55
Makes me laugh , i like playing video games and in the video game world there are people who side with there console and becomes FANboys, never tought i would see FANboys of a cable company.
Right. Because people should just be able to say anything they like without question :rolleyes:

Them: People want more upload speed
Me: Prove it.
Them: Don't need to, fanboy.

Hardly compelling evidence, really :(

craigj2k12
13-03-2012, 16:57
Right. Because people should just be able to say anything they like without question :rolleyes:

.....no matter how stupid

but if its stupid, dont complain if you get corrected

carlwaring
13-03-2012, 17:02
.....no matter how stupid.
Yes. Saying things you can't back up is indeed stupid.

..but if its stupid, dont complain if you get corrected
I don't. Others seem to though.

Still not seen any proof yet. Just a lot bitchy comments.

Tim Deegan
13-03-2012, 17:04
I cannot understand why is Virgin Media upgrade to 60 Meg from 30 Meg in the next 18 months is too long while BT had confirmed that all UK who had FTTC 40 Meg Down /10 Meg Up will be upgrade to 80 Meg Down / 20 Meg Up in early April with a nationwide instant (no area by area roll out)

Virgin Media took too long 18 months area by area roll out is a joke!
Virgin Media 30 Meg down upgrade to 60 Meg down is a joke!
Virgin Media 3 Meg up (upgrade) to 6 Meg up is a joke!

Only BT FTTC 80 Meg down and 20 Meg up in Early April will beat Virgin Media 60 Meg down and 6 Meg up. Virgin Media should have 80 Meg down and 20 Meg up to match BT.

If BT FTTC available in my area, I will say goodbye to Virgin Media because upgrade to double speed in the next 18 months is far too long to wait, and upload should have done better!

Well phone VM and pay to upgrade then!!

qasdfdsaq
13-03-2012, 17:24
Right. Because people should just be able to say anything they like without question :rolleyes:

Them: People want more upload speed
Me: Prove it.
Them: Don't need to, fanboy.

Hardly compelling evidence, really :(
Ah yes, the whole Me and Them argument.

I said for most people download speed isn't an issue. Evidenced by 71% of VM customers choosing to stay on the slowest package available - 10mb or below. From VM's own results publications.[1] (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10/33685423-virgin-medias-quarterly-full-year-results.html)

And 95% of UK customers are on 24mb or below. Only 5% of all UK customers opt for 30, 40, 50, or 100mb services combined, despite >50% having at least 50mb available to them. From OFCOM's government commissioned survey.[2] (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10/33685207-ofcom-broadband-survey-results-november-2011-a.html)

You said for most people upload speed isn't an issue. Where's your compelling evidence?

We've not seen any evidence from you either, just a lot of bitchy comments.

Sephiroth
13-03-2012, 17:31
.....

[SEPH]: Gamers would prefer BT Infinity because of its better latency. (So don't ask where the evidence is for that).

Why not?

Because, Nerd, gaming requires low latency (particlarly low jitter). BT Infinity latency vs VM Cable latency is already a proven fact via the TBB graph.

As a matter of interest, have you got any evidence of anything that is of relevance?

qasdfdsaq
13-03-2012, 17:37
Because, Nerd, gaming requires low latency (particlarly low jitter). BT Infinity latency vs VM Cable latency is already a proven fact via the TBB graph.
And confirmed by OFCOM's government commissioned tests, as referenced above.

Kymmy
13-03-2012, 17:41
Naked women is nerd porn to this nerd.

I thought that I had that role :rolleyes::kiss:

Sirius
13-03-2012, 17:42
Right. Because people should just be able to say anything they like without question :rolleyes:

Them: People want more upload speed
Me: Prove it.
Them: Don't need to, fanboy.

Hardly compelling evidence, really :(

Ok prove they don't want faster upload, Your problem is you think VM are fantastic and will not allow anyone to post anything against them. You do it all the time on any forum to spam on.

qasdfdsaq
13-03-2012, 17:47
I thought that I had that role :rolleyes::kiss:
I thought you were a naked women. Those pics weren't of you??! :erm:

Sirius
13-03-2012, 17:48
Ah yes, the whole Me and Them argument.

I said for most people download speed isn't an issue. Evidenced by 71% of VM customers choosing to stay on the slowest package available - 10mb or below. From VM's own results publications.[1] (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10/33685423-virgin-medias-quarterly-full-year-results.html)

And 95% of UK customers are on 24mb or below. Only 5% of all UK customers opt for 30, 40, 50, or 100mb services combined, despite >50% having at least 50mb available to them. From OFCOM's government commissioned survey.[2] (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10/33685207-ofcom-broadband-survey-results-november-2011-a.html)

You said for most people upload speed isn't an issue. Where's your compelling evidence?

We've not seen any evidence from you either, just a lot of bitchy comments.

I want more upload and the more the better. I use it for FTP :)

boroboi
13-03-2012, 17:51
I don't want more upload, just more upload capacity on the network :( REDUCE MY JITTER!

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13-03-2012, 18:01
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carlwaring
13-03-2012, 18:43
You said for most people upload speed isn't an issue. [B]Where's your compelling evidence?
No. I questioned the OPs statement that "most people want faster uploads". I did not offer any opinion on the matter. Mainly because I don't know what most people want. The OP may be right.
Because, Nerd, gaming requires low latency (particlarly low jitter). BT Infinity latency vs VM Cable latency is already a proven fact via the TBB graph.
Of course, but that wasn't my point about why I should not ask for evidence of something.As a matter of interest, have you got any evidence of anything that is of relevance?
No, but then I'm not offering any opinion or facts on the issue. Whilst I don't personally need faster upload speeds, I wouldn't say no to them.
Ok prove they don't want faster upload.
I don't have to prove anything as I'm not the one making the statement.

There does seem to be a number of people on here who really don't seem to know how a discussion works.

Anyway, I am sorry if I mistook an opinion for a statement of fact.

Your problem is you think VM are fantastic and will not allow anyone to post anything against them.
Of course that is complete and utter nonsense that is proved wrong simply by reading my various posts.

craigj2k12
13-03-2012, 18:55
think we need some of this....

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/03/55.jpg

qasdfdsaq
13-03-2012, 19:35
No. I questioned the OPs statement that "most people want faster uploads". I did not offer any opinion on the matter. Mainly because I don't know what most people want. The OP may be right.


Multiple personality disorder?

For most people, I think upload speed isn't an issue.

..... :rolleyes:

Sirius
13-03-2012, 19:57
Multiple personality disorder?



..... :rolleyes:

:clap: Your picking up on it quick :)

carlwaring
13-03-2012, 20:19
A fair point. Whoops :o:

Multiple personality disorder?
No. I just sometimes forget stuff :)

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think we need some of this.......
Only if the definition of an internet troll has changed to include "people I simply disagree with", which I'm pretty-sure it hasn't :rolleyes:

craigj2k12
13-03-2012, 20:21
Only if the definition of an internet troll has changed to include "people I simply disagree with", which I'm pretty-sure it hasn't :rolleyes:

you act like i mentioned your name... are you paranoid?

Kymmy
13-03-2012, 20:31
Back on topic please

Skie
13-03-2012, 22:29
Its a Telford thread I dont think there was a topic ;)

Stuart
14-03-2012, 00:26
Its a Telford thread I dont think there was a topic ;)

There is. Stick to it.

ShadowTD
14-03-2012, 12:59
Interactive activities, such as web browsing, are faster on BT 40mb than VM 50mb.

Just to throw my tuppence in here (Welcome back TC, it's been quiet without you!), I'd like to wholeheartedly agree with the above statement. Everything from YouTube to Netflix all feels significantly quicker ('teh snappy') on Infinity compared to my 30Mb VM connection. I now get 0 jitter with a consistent 14ms ping no matter what time of day I use my connection.

I'm also personally finding the wireless range on the Home Hub 3 to be better than the Super Hub, and I've had no reboots since it was installed 2 weeks ago. YMMV.

I'm hoping Infinity customers will get a free speed uplift, but that's probably wishful thinking. My 8mb upload has already made producing my YouTube channel a darn sight easier!

telfordcable
18-10-2012, 17:01
Virgin Media should have 122 Meg down and 61 Meg up but they won't do it because they want upload slower as a snail!

iateallthepies
18-10-2012, 17:36
Virgin Media should have 122 Meg down and 61 Meg up but they won't do it because they want upload slower as a snail!

10mb upload is quite sufficent for me...

And regards BT FTTC, my cabinet was suppose to be live March, it`s been in for months, then they ripped it out and put another one in, now pencilled in for Feb 2013.

No thanks, i`d rather keep my 100 meg Virgin connection....

|Kippa|
18-10-2012, 19:35
Meh I used to have a VM connection at 50mbit but have just moved house to a none VM area and have BT with a conneciton at 10mbit down with no BT Infinity date set in my area yet. To be honest Telfordcable, compared to other people in the UK you have never had it so good. I'd be quite happy with a 30mbit or 20mbit connection DOWN never mind 60 mbit or 120mbit.

As for the upload speed isn't there restrictions based because of the cable tech. If I remember rightly cable was originally meant for mainly downstream with small upstream and the restrictions could be based on the fundatmental underlying tech. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

leexgx
19-10-2012, 05:38
main issue is limited upstream channels on VM (4 Upstream on mine but 100+ on downstream) so when everyone gets home all them Upgraded users who now have 2 or 5mb upload use an already limited bandwidth and results in High ping jitter and then packet loss once upstream network load passes approx 60%

Download speeds (or should say Downstream) is perfectly fine on virgin its the upstream at the Local level that makes it look like an download speed issue when its the Upstream thats congested , Below on my monitor is an good example of Upstream congestion on Monitor Number 2 (its live so it may not be always congested from 6pm to midnight)

http://bqm.greenfrog.biz

roughbeast
19-10-2012, 07:44
I cannot understand why is Virgin Media upgrade to 60 Meg from 30 Meg in the next 18 months is too long while BT had confirmed that all UK who had FTTC 40 Meg Down /10 Meg Up will be upgrade to 80 Meg Down / 20 Meg Up in early April with a nationwide instant (no area by area roll out)

Virgin Media took too long 18 months area by area roll out is a joke!
Virgin Media 30 Meg down upgrade to 60 Meg down is a joke!
Virgin Media 3 Meg up (upgrade) to 6 Meg up is a joke!

Only BT FTTC 80 Meg down and 20 Meg up in Early April will beat Virgin Media 60 Meg down and 6 Meg up. Virgin Media should have 80 Meg down and 20 Meg up to match BT.

If BT FTTC available in my area, I will say goodbye to Virgin Media because upgrade to double speed in the next 18 months is far too long to wait, and upload should have done better!


Main reason is that VM are working within legacy arrangements and kit; much more complicated, whilst BT is starting afresh with network built for purpose.

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... Everything from YouTube to Netflix all feels significantly quicker ('teh snappy') on Infinity compared to my 30Mb VM connection. I now get 0 jitter with a consistent 14ms ping no matter what time of day I use my connection...

I'm also personally finding the wireless range on the Home Hub 3 to be better than the Super Hub, and I've had no reboots since it was installed 2 weeks ago. YMMV.

I get that quality of line with VM and always have. My ping is usually 12Ms, sometimes less.
Given that the SH and HH3 are 'free' you can out perform both modem/routers with your own router.


BTW TC's output is currently referred to as bovine poo. (bp)

Jong1
19-10-2012, 13:17
It's interesting. For the last few years I have been very happy with the downstream and much more limited upstream increases. The 1:10 ratio has pretty much met my needs.

But no doubt, with increasing cloud usage, and because downstream is already so high, I find myself, now, more frustrated by upstream limits than I am waiting for more downstream capacity.

The ridiculous delays in getting speed doubling to my region are not helping.

As a huge fan of VM internet for many years and although I have never been tempted to go ADSL, BT Infinity is starting to look interesting.

VM, you need to raise your game.

|Kippa|
19-10-2012, 20:37
Just out of curiosty will BT Infinity be restricted with upload to the same extent as cable based broadband like VM? Specifically with fiber to the cabinet not fiber to the house? Or could FTTC BT Infinity be better than cable tech with regards to upstream?

qasdfdsaq
19-10-2012, 21:06
FTTC is already way better than cable tech and will always remain better for upstream.

VM FTTN has at best, ten times less upload capacity than download. Openreach FTTC has the same amount of upload capacity as it has download.

VM FTTN until recently only had enough upload capacity to provide 0.1Mbps per customer in some areas, Openreach FTTC has enough capacity to provide 20Mbps dedicted per customer already and plenty of space for expansion.

Jong1
19-10-2012, 21:48
Interesting! This I did not know. The biggest problem in moving is my email address, which I use for dozens of things, some I probably could not remember!

qasdfdsaq
19-10-2012, 21:52
Incidentally it took about 4 years after leaving VM before they finally realized I wasn't entitled to my @ntlworld.com email anymore and turned it off (last month actually), but I never had an issue since I've never really used it as my main email.

|Kippa|
20-10-2012, 00:48
FTTC is already way better than cable tech and will always remain better for upstream.

VM FTTN has at best, ten times less upload capacity than download. Openreach FTTC has the same amount of upload capacity as it has download.

VM FTTN until recently only had enough upload capacity to provide 0.1Mbps per customer in some areas, Openreach FTTC has enough capacity to provide 20Mbps dedicted per customer already and plenty of space for expansion.

Sorry to be a pain in the arse, just two quick questions.

1. Don't VM do fiber to the cabinet as it is and just do the last bit of the connection with cable?

2. Is the restrictions of the upload due to the implementation of the standards of DOCSIS? If they theoretically dropped DOCSIS and started on a new standard from scratch could they do the same rate up as they do down with fiber to the cabinet and cable to the home?

qasdfdsaq
20-10-2012, 00:53
1. No. VM do not do fibre to the cabinet.

2. Yes but they would have to build a whole new network similar to what BT has been doing for the last half of a decade.

Eeeps
20-10-2012, 09:55
Sorry to be a pain in the arse, just two quick questions.

1. Don't VM do fiber to the cabinet as it is and just do the last bit of the connection with cable?

2. Is the restrictions of the upload due to the implementation of the standards of DOCSIS? If they theoretically dropped DOCSIS and started on a new standard from scratch could they do the same rate up as they do down with fiber to the cabinet and cable to the home?

VM do more like FTAC (Fibre to A cabinet) since the fibre doesn't go to the cabinet you are connected direct to. It's a coax from there to the fibre point.

I guess the range of upstream channels could be expanded at the expense of downstream. However upstream is less efficient at the use of bandwidth due to the need to combine signals from many modems.

The biggest problem VM have is that cable is also used for TV that occupies the majority of channels. This is not helped by HD (you can only get two HD programmes into one channel but 10 SD)

qasdfdsaq
20-10-2012, 13:21
Upstream channels cannot be expanded at the expense of downstream without breaking DOCSIS specs and getting custom built modems/STBs/TIVO receivers modified to use them. That would require replacing a huge amount of end-user equipment, cabling, in-street amplifiers, and cabinets to the extent they may as well build a new network. Unlike VDSL (e.g. BT Infinity) which can arbitrarily use any frequency for upstream or downstream, cable has fixed frequencies for each direction that cannot be changed.

TV doesn't really use any upstream channels so its presence doesn't really change much.

craigj2k12
20-10-2012, 13:35
Interesting! This I did not know. The biggest problem in moving is my email address, which I use for dozens of things, some I probably could not remember!

I have heard of people asking to be moved to a legacy dial up account where they didnt have to pay (the dial up package is pay for useage) and they can keep their email address

qasdfdsaq
20-10-2012, 14:02
Hey there's an idea... I still have a couple of discounts hard-wired to my old @ntlworld.com email. If it's not too late...

craigj2k12
20-10-2012, 14:12
Your welcome ;)

Chad
20-10-2012, 16:48
Virgin Media should have 122 Meg down and 61 Meg up but they won't do it because they want upload slower as a snail!

160 Meg down and 20 Meg up on BT Infinity, if you live in one of their upgraded network areas.

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=33828

Let's see what Virgins response is in what has become a game of cat and mouse between the 2.

Kabaal
20-10-2012, 16:54
Let's see what Virgins response is in what has become a game of cat and mouse between the 2.

Probably an announcement for 200mb mid next year. Can't see myself going for a package like that unless the cost is similar to 100mb now and it at least has the same 10:1 ratio. 100mb is already faster than most places can provide me with content.

qasdfdsaq
20-10-2012, 17:05
160 Meg down and 20 Meg up on BT Infinity, if you live in one of their upgraded network areas.

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=33828

Let's see what Virgins response is in what has become a game of cat and mouse between the 2.

By that they mean one of the very limited FTTP areas (though FTTP will be available to all FTTC areas next year)