View Full Version : 50M And so history repeats itself...
qasdfdsaq
16-02-2012, 18:06
... Another year, another switch from Cable to DSL.
Once again VM's service in my area's fallen far behind, and once again newer xDSL technology has come out to proverbially rape Virgin Media in the behind:
Virgin Media 50mb "fibre optic":
Ping statistics for 212.58.246.92:
Packets: Sent = 100, Received = 100, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 19ms, Maximum = 133ms, Average = 35ms
vs. BT Infinity 40mb "fibre optic":
Packets: Sent = 100, Received = 100, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 19ms, Maximum = 20ms, Average = 19ms
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/02/47.pnghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/02/48.png
http://www.pingtest.net/result/57003641.pnghttp://www.pingtest.net/result/57004092.png
(and that's "off-peak". Just wait till 10pm!)
Once again, my VM cable's on notice and once again switching provider has made everything feel instant and responsive again, even off-peak.
VM, see y'all in 18 months... :p:
craigj2k12
16-02-2012, 18:14
yeah thats a proverbial raping alright!
while youve got the two, could you do a fairly detailed comparison if you have the time?
by which I mean general useage differences, youtube streaming, multiple tracert's and TBB ping monitor for both?
qasdfdsaq
16-02-2012, 18:55
I certainly will - though most of it will probably go in the "Other ISPs" board.
Just as a teaser, my profile 17a line stats indicate my line's syncing at 88.2mbps downstream and 27.4mbps upstream, with about 150mbps achievable on profile 30. So even when VM eventually bring out their long-overdue 100mbps service I'll still be on over double the upstream on BT :D
Gaming's already a lot better, first game in COD I was host and managed to go four whole games (before I quit) without anyone yelling "NOOB HOST" or "LAGGGG!!!11oneoneonomglolwtfbbq1!" which literally happens in every game on VM...
Just as a teaser, my profile 17a line stats indicate my line's syncing at 88.2mbps downstream and 27.4mbps upstream, with about 150mbps achievable on profile 30.
qas what does this mean and how
qasdfdsaq
16-02-2012, 19:19
It means my line is capable of 88mbps download and 27mbps upload, so I'll get the full 80/20 once BT make the 80/20 service official. And once BT release their 160/40 service I'll get at least 150mbps.
Jealous doesn't describe me at the moment. Very Jealous does.
how did you find that out?
qasdfdsaq
16-02-2012, 19:48
Sign up for BT Infinity, then unlock your modem to open up telnet and SSH, then use the command line tools to dump some line stats :)
I'm seriously considering it. I haven't had any sign of the price increase letter yet to get out of my VM contract.
New to cable
16-02-2012, 20:03
Ok qasd I think everyone gets it.
Your BT infinity connection is uber fantastic and rules the internet world and your VM connection is not as good.
Maybe you need to go over to the infinity forums and enjoy a nice love in? Because your constant whining and moan and cry baby toy throwing antics are becoming very droll and rather boring.
Grow up, cancel vm enjoy your BT and move on..NO ONE HERE CARES.
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Its important that I state the aboce post has nothing to do with me being jealous Infinity doesnt hit my area for while;)
Andrewcrawford23
16-02-2012, 20:09
what upgrade to 160/40 by bt i aint seen any press releases, if you re saying you have dump inforamtion form teh modem to find out bt are stupid to have detaisl about future upgrades ona modem
qasdfdsaq
16-02-2012, 20:11
Ok qasd I think everyone gets it.
Your BT infinity connection is uber fantastic and rules the internet world and your VM connection is not as good.
Maybe you need to go over to the infinity forums and enjoy a nice love in? Because your constant whining and moan and cry baby toy throwing antics are becoming very droll and rather boring.
Grow up, cancel vm enjoy your BT and move on..NO ONE HERE CARES.
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Its important that I state the aboce post has nothing to do with me being jealous Infinity doesnt hit my area for while;)
How about you grow up and take a look at yourself. Sky anyone?
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what upgrade to 160/40 by bt i aint seen any press releases, if you re saying you have dump inforamtion form teh modem to find out bt are stupid to have detaisl about future upgrades ona modem
It was mentioned in their recent results (i.e. the same ones where they annouced 80/20). They stated that they intend to upgrade beyond profile 17a at some point in the future, the only profile beyond 17a is 30a. My modem tells me what speed my line is likely to achieve on profile 30a.
Andrewcrawford23
16-02-2012, 20:42
How about you grow up and take a look at yourself. Sky anyone?
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It was mentioned in their recent results (i.e. the same ones where they annouced 80/20). They stated that they intend to upgrade beyond profile 17a at some point in the future, the only profile beyond 17a is 30a. My modem tells me what speed my line is likely to achieve on profile 30a.
righ iget what your meaning now, i never seen the upgrade beyond 80/20 i knew they had plans beyond it but i neever seen it meantioned, but thanks for hte insight :) not being scarky i am being truthful i am thankful
Can I suggest that people grow up in other ways like either leaving the thread or using the ignore feature if they don't like the topic or what others post.
Now back to being civil please
vmfriend
16-02-2012, 21:08
Pretty impressive.
Why did you use a different server on pingtest ? (or did it auto choose server)
Will be interesting to see how it compares during peak times.
qasdfdsaq
16-02-2012, 22:48
Why did you use a different server on pingtest ? (or did it auto choose server)
Auto.
qasdfdsaq
17-02-2012, 00:53
Will be interesting to see how it compares during peak times.
VM peak time seems to have hit at 1am today,
http://www.pingtest.net/result/57029583.pnghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/02/41.pnghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/03/13.png (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/686614501ce1dc3983e8e99e07bd66aa.html)
Infinity doesn't seem to care...
http://www.pingtest.net/result/57029600.pnghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/02/42.png
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/02/43.png (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/c08c85e24ab00ad386b487bedbee6ab4.html)
ouch, heres my connection as it stands now
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share-large/e7a2a4aee6b7d1281799c21d1a92037b-17-02-2012.png
Gaming on XBOX atm, FIFA, and its practically unplayable. Getting players delaying, sluggish due to all the jitter. Mine looks loads better than yours but believe me it aint.
craigj2k12
17-02-2012, 01:11
look at my signature, okay, they are both dedicated leased lines, but you get the idea, VM, in comparison to other providers are pretty crap for anything to do with ping/jitter, a good TBB ping monitor for a VM connection has a constant maximum latency of 60ms, whereas most (if not all) infinity connections have hardly any visible yellow/blue area on the graph
Not to mention that the downstream/upstream speed ratios on infinity are much better at 40/10, 80/20 is getting further away, but still far better than VMs 100/10
interesting the pic in your signature qas - shows as being from Great Britain - any further info?
qasdfdsaq
17-02-2012, 10:49
interesting the pic in your signature qas - shows as being from Great Britain - any further info?
Same as the second "this" in your signature ;)
Wild Oscar
17-02-2012, 11:12
****
Sadly I've been thinking the same ..
Andrewcrawford23
17-02-2012, 11:25
i have to say that bt infity connection looks really nice shame i can never get it
Chrysalis
17-02-2012, 14:24
*jealous*
I hope BT rollout here ahead of schedule, due here by end of 2012.
qasdfdsaq
17-02-2012, 15:07
Should point out all the yellow spikes so far are from me heavily using remote desktop all day. Because it's actually now useable :D
Should point out all the yellow spikes so far are from me heavily using remote desktop all day. Because it's actually now useable :D
Yeah well get this, my constant yellow spike is from inactivity! Beat that!
qasdfdsaq
17-02-2012, 16:49
Yeah well get this, my constant yellow spike is from inactivity! Beat that!
OK I'll try:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share-thumb/2ca1a52f5c154a3b87600c5d15e6807f-15-02-2012.png (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/2ca1a52f5c154a3b87600c5d15e6807f-15-02-2012.html)
So jel :(
Don't be jealous lol.
He is hiding his ping meter from us and there is a reason, I now know 2 people with infinity and the after 7pm ping meters are pretty carp- I'm as gutted as anyone but it seems now people are starting to use infinity and push it with downloads its struggling.
I'm no fan of VM but they have experience of offering millions of users high broadband speeds so they understand how to load balance ect.
It seems for BT this is a learning curve, maybe ask Qas nicely he will leave his live ping meter running 7pm-midnight?
http://www.pingtest.net/result/57319775.png (http://www.pingtest.net)
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/02/32.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
My connection hasn't been the best, haven't had time to look into it further.
qasdfdsaq
20-02-2012, 23:10
Don't be jealous lol.
He is hiding his ping meter from us and there is a reason, I now know 2 people with infinity and the after 7pm ping meters are pretty carp- I'm as gutted as anyone but it seems now people are starting to use infinity and push it with downloads its struggling.
I'm no fan of VM but they have experience of offering millions of users high broadband speeds so they understand how to load balance ect.
It seems for BT this is a learning curve, maybe ask Qas nicely he will leave his live ping meter running 7pm-midnight?
24-hour plot:
Download Failed (1) (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/941713bafa189b4496b296f8bbbe9c61-17-02-2012.html)
The only reason the live one's stopped working is because my IP changed. Clearly terribe 7pm-midnight.
24-hour plot:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share-thumb/941713bafa189b4496b296f8bbbe9c61-17-02-2012.png (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/941713bafa189b4496b296f8bbbe9c61-17-02-2012.html)
The only reason the live one's stopped working is because my IP changed. Clearly terribe 7pm-midnight.
Yep thats the confirmation I was looking for, How could anyone use that connection.
Yep thats the confirmation I was looking for, How could anyone use that connection.
Heh.
Dash: CF noob
20-02-2012, 23:34
Qas your min latency looks pretty high for BT
Qas your min latency looks pretty high for BT
ive noticed that on a few infinity monitors...
qasdfdsaq
20-02-2012, 23:48
Qas your min latency looks pretty high for BT
I'm in Scotland. Pretty much all ISPs have higher min latency here, yet BT's actually lower than most and within 0.1ms of VM. 350+ miles adds some unavoidable latency :)
I'm in Scotland. Pretty much all ISPs have higher min latency here, yet BT's actually lower than most and within 0.1ms of VM. 350+ miles adds some unavoidable latency :)
Don't forget that 350+ Miles also applies to your VM connection. To be fair though your minimum latency is very high.Infact your minimum is higher than my average latency. Infact your latency is the same as my Sky LLU connection and Sky won't let users go on fastpath and insist on a minimum SNR of 7db.
If Sky allowed 6db or 3db with fastpath the minimum would be half your infinty, although later in the year Sky are going to offer some super gamer package so maybe it will just be fastpath with a lower snr.
ive seen afew infinity connections having hjgjer min than VM even if its a little it is a little confusing with everything else looking good. i guess your cant win. not sure how mine will look.
qasdfdsaq
21-02-2012, 00:26
Yes, hence I pointed out my VM connection's minimum is less than 0.1ms different to my BT one. Not sure what your point is? Most people's average is lower than my minimum too, then again most people don't live in Scotland.
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ive seen afew infinity connections having hjgjer min than VM even if its a little it is a little confusing with everything else looking good. i guess your cant win. not sure how mine will look.
Part of it I guess comes down to core network structure and routing. But as I say, mine's almost exactly the same on both, and I'm almost as far away as you can get and still make a comparison between the two. It'll also vary between sites. Right now for example, my BT Infinity minimum ping to Multiplay.co.uk is about 1.5ms slower than VM, but to BBC it's 0.5ms faster and to ThinkBroadband's ping monitor it's 4ms slower. Yet earlier in the day the trends were reversed. Still, the 4ms difference to pingbox1.thinkbroadband.com - i.e. the address used for the ping monitor(s) - seems to agree with your seeing BT plots being generally higher than VM's. Yet as demonstrated with the other two examples, similar differences don't occur to all destinations.
What really matters is average and standard deviation though. For that, the Linux built-in ping tool is far better than the Windows one. Here's some examples from the VM line:
--- www.bbc.net.uk ping statistics ---
1000 packets transmitted, 1000 received, 0% packet loss, time 101700ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 19.436/29.341/154.849/10.760 ms, pipe 2, ipg/ewma 101.802/30.844 ms
--- www.multiplay.co.uk ping statistics ---
1000 packets transmitted, 999 received, 0% packet loss, time 101483ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 18.479/27.378/161.304/9.393 ms, pipe 2, ipg/ewma 101.585/26.287 ms
--- pingbox1.thinkbroadband.com ping statistics ---
1000 packets transmitted, 1000 received, 0% packet loss, time 100951ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 17.000/24.436/78.188/6.391 ms, ipg/ewma 101.052/27.891 ms
The 'mdev' value is quite good to get a measure of congestion to a particular host, as is the delta between minimum and average. Looking at the above numbers, the lowest congestion is seen along to pingbox1 - looks like VM has got a lot less congestion and a lot more unused capacity (or just a much bigger pipe) going to ThinkBroadband's network than, say, BBC's network. I wonder why... :-P
BT line, for reference:
--- www.bbc.net.uk ping statistics ---
1000 packets transmitted, 1000 received, 0% packet loss, time 100922ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 18.955/19.487/21.367/0.271 ms, ipg/ewma 101.023/19.532 ms
--- www.multiplay.co.uk ping statistics ---
1000 packets transmitted, 1000 received, 0% packet loss, time 100898ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 19.996/20.464/21.133/0.144 ms, ipg/ewma 100.999/20.457 ms
--- pingbox1.thinkbroadband.com ping statistics ---
1000 packets transmitted, 1000 received, 0% packet loss, time 101040ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 21.242/21.737/22.869/0.183 ms, ipg/ewma 101.141/21.741 ms
Averages barely 0.5ms off minimums (vs. VM's 10ms, even off-peak), with standard deviations also well below half a millisecond. Sure, the distance adds to the minimum but at least there's nothing keeping me away from said minimum all the time :)
i dont mean to hijack your thread but what info would you need to work mine out without it installed if that makes sense?
qasdfdsaq
21-02-2012, 01:09
Windows only displays to 1ms, but if that's enough for you then you can pipe the output to a file and then do the calculations yourself. Or you could download an Ubuntu liveCD and install/run it as a virtual app.
right. ive always wanted to toy with ubuntu.
i think my local exchange is a mile away if that. samknows its really telling me unless im doing something wrong.
qasdfdsaq
21-02-2012, 01:49
I'm not sure how Ubuntu would help you with that, but if you want to try it it's fairly simple. In addition to the good old Live CD you can install it into a virtual disk file without modifying your hard drive layout or partitions (Wubi). Or just plonk it in a virtualbox.
If you want to try Unbuntu wjust set your boot preference to usb, stick Unbuntu on a USB stick, stick that USB in your computer then start it up. It will look for a USB stick first then boot Unbuntu
Then if you remove the USB stick your PC will just boot from the HDD with out installing anything. SIMPLES.....
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