50M Not very satisfying speedtest result [Archive]

Danny C 2k

08-07-2011, 12:01

Nopanic

08-07-2011, 12:03

No, you should use your internet and see what real speeds you get.

Nopanic

08-07-2011, 12:07

I'm on 100Mb

Speetest result

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/79.png

Torrent download (legal of course)

Danny C 2k

08-07-2011, 12:09

Hmm well i'm not going to notice any substantial difference when loading web pages as I was on 10meg previously. I tried downloading a file from microsoft.com (as they usually let me download at my connection's true speed) and i wasn't getting 5mb/s. I'll wait it out, see if it improves.

I'm on 100Mb

Speetest result

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/79.png

Torrent download (legal of course)

I see how the results can be deceptive. BUT i did try downloading with M$ too. As i said, i'll wait and report back if i see it hitting 5mb/s :D. Thanks for the example, though :).

Nopanic

08-07-2011, 12:10

Danny C 2k

08-07-2011, 12:13

Why did you get 50Mb ?

What ever the reason, use it for that .. Speedtests are pointless ..

10M was getting kinda sluggish and the 50 was only a little extra. I'm hoping for lightening fast speeds when downloading DLC packs off of xbox LIVE etc

Nopanic

08-07-2011, 12:15

10M was getting kinda sluggish and the 50 was only a little extra. I'm hoping for lightening fast speeds when downloading DLC packs off of xbox LIVE etc

There's your best test then .. :D

You might have an issue, but judge it on the speed, not some site's reading ..

50 / 100 are still difficult to max out .. get newsgroups on the go :D

theoldbill

08-07-2011, 12:16

Danny C 2k

08-07-2011, 12:58

Hitting about 1.85mb/s from the link above. Maybe it just takes time for the router to get settled in. :) lol
EDIT: Yep, looks like i was right
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/78.png
All hail VM!

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Just a little question, do i have do use the wireless 'N' adaptor or can i use my Laptop's built in wireless? It's my understanding that 'G' can handle up to 52mb/s (well that's what i read online :P)

ethan103

08-07-2011, 13:27

There's your best test then .. :D

You might have an issue, but judge it on the speed, not some site's reading ..

50 / 100 are still difficult to max out .. get newsgroups on the go :D

Erm,

I hit 50 Mb on Speedtest pretty much on every UK server and even on Some European servers...

Nopanic

08-07-2011, 13:53

Erm,

I hit 50 Mb on Speedtest pretty much on every UK server and even on Some European servers...

so?

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Try downloading an ISO from the Heanet mirrors. I can get full 100meg from here most of the time and a check a few moments ago was pushing me 96meg.

http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ftp.yellowdoglinux.com/pub/yellowdog/iso/

I get 2.3MB/s

ethan103

08-07-2011, 14:02

so?

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I get 2.3MB/s

So?

So then of course its possible to max out on speedtest....jeez whats wrong with you...

I find Speedtest to be pretty accurate when it comes to speed results and I take it you are claiming its hard to max out on speedtest....

Not The case....

Nopanic

08-07-2011, 14:11

So?

So then of course its possible to max out on speedtest....jeez whats wrong with you...

I find Speedtest to be pretty accurate when it comes to speed results and I take it you are claiming its hard to max out on speedtest....

Not The case....

Possible ? I said difficult .. do you have trouble reading ?

TJS

08-07-2011, 14:18

Try downloading an ISO from the Heanet mirrors. I can get full 100meg from here most of the time and a check a few moments ago was pushing me 96meg.

http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ftp.yellowdoglinux.com/pub/yellowdog/iso/

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/76.png
Pretty poor server, not sure how you managed to get the full 100 from there

http://ubuntu.virginmedia.com/releases/11.04/ <-- a better test

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/77.png

Jayster

08-07-2011, 15:03

10M was getting kinda sluggish and the 50 was only a little extra. I'm hoping for lightening fast speeds when downloading DLC packs off of xbox LIVE etc

Sorry to disappoint you but for some reason in all my testing the Xbox360 and PS3 will only download at 1-2MB/s no matter what time of the day.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/76.png
Pretty poor server, not sure how you managed to get the full 100 from there

http://ubuntu.virginmedia.com/releases/11.04/ <-- a better test

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/77.png

It is not a poor server it just depends where you are I got 6MB/s off it and only 3 MB/s off the virgin one.

Danny C 2k

08-07-2011, 15:49

I can't find a way to tell accurately on google chrome how fast something is downloading, but it looked like it was around 4mbps which is good!

theoldbill

08-07-2011, 16:02

The Heanet mirror is on a 10GigE link (peered) with Virgin in Dublin (via INEX) so no congestion there (check their network map for utilisation) and the files themselves are served from one of 4 nodes, each of 10GigE capacity.

Sorry to the VM reps that if one VM user (me) can pull 100meg and others can't, that it screams localised oversubscription or VM core congestion - but hey, I know you rank that possibility way down the list of causes.

If only VM let us view their network maps to see their utilisations.

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I can't find a way to tell accurately on google chrome how fast something is downloading, but it looked like it was around 4mbps which is good!

Download DU Meter and use that.

manny123

08-07-2011, 20:59

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theoldbill

09-07-2011, 00:09

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/74.png[/URL]

Yes, BT Infinity has a better speed ratio than VM but how does that fit in here :D

ethan103

09-07-2011, 12:35

Possible ? I said difficult .. do you have trouble reading ?

Difficult?

I just said I can max out on pretty much every UK/Irish Server as can other 50 Mb users, if they are actually getting 50 Mb.....

Do you have trouble reading?

theoldbill

09-07-2011, 12:48

I just said I can max out on pretty much every UK/Irish Server as can other 50 Mb users, if they are actually getting 50 Mb.....

To play devils advocate I think he meant that with the time of day factor in the mix, speed test sites are generally unreliable to a degree.

I can get good results at 5am but not at 5pm, while downloading from a beefy mirror site like the one I quoted (that he also said was unreliable) I can achieve faster than any speed test site will give me at that time.

I find the Dublin (Eircom) and Paris test sites most reliable though.

SwgLee

09-07-2011, 14:05

Was some time ago but when i upgraded to the 20 meg package i wasnt noticing any difference in speeds. I rang them and they told me they had forgot to switch me onto my new plan. Now i get 19 on average from the 20.

Charliedontsurf

09-07-2011, 14:42

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/71.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

TJS

09-07-2011, 18:33

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/71.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

we get nearly identical LOL

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/72.png

qasdfdsaq

10-07-2011, 01:59

Difficult?

I just said I can max out on pretty much every UK/Irish Server as can other 50 Mb users, if they are actually getting 50 Mb.....

Do you have trouble reading?
Fair point. VM claim their average speed for 50mb users is 49.54mb, based purely on speedtest results (mind you that's based on multi-threaded tests, which I disagree with on principle but that's a different argument altogether). It cannot be hard to "max out" 50mb, unless of course VM are lying. Either way, somebody is lying, either VM or VM... Go figure.

Plus, if you can't max out 50mb, you're not getting 50mb service. Period.

Nopanic

10-07-2011, 04:20

Difficult?

I just said I can max out on pretty much every UK/Irish Server as can other 50 Mb users, if they are actually getting 50 Mb.....

Do you have trouble reading?

The fact that you get such a different result to me proves my point.

Customers with 20Mb find that a speed test site will give them more accurate results due to the bandwidth requires of the test.

50Mb and 100Mb take more from the site, thus as posted by theoldbill they are more susceptible to incorrect figures.

Here is my test run a number of times to the same server now, at around 4am.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/67.png

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/68.png

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/69.png

To a different server

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/70.png

I made no changes or opened no applications.

Download from a torrent .. attached

Nopanic

10-07-2011, 04:22

Fair point. VM claim their average speed for 50mb users is 49.54mb, based purely on speedtest results (mind you that's based on multi-threaded tests, which I disagree with on principle but that's a different argument altogether). It cannot be hard to "max out" 50mb, unless of course VM are lying. Either way, somebody is lying, either VM or VM... Go figure.

Plus, if you can't max out 50mb, you're not getting 50mb service. Period.

are you calling me VM ?

I'm not VM, I'm Nopanic ..

kwikbreaks

10-07-2011, 09:34

Just a little question, do i have do use the wireless 'N' adaptor or can i use my Laptop's built in wireless? It's my understanding that 'G' can handle up to 52mb/s (well that's what i read online :P)G can "sync" at 54Mbps but as that is half duplex and there are overheads the best you'll see in practice is ~ 22Mbps.

Single 20MHz channel N (called 135Mbps mode) on the hub can just about do the full 50Mbps. Trying the use the hub at 40MHz 300Mbps mode quickly leads to problems in my experience.

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I virtually always see very close to 50Mbps of the London and Birmingham speedtest.net servers.

ethan103

10-07-2011, 10:15

The fact that you get such a different result to me proves my point.

Customers with 20Mb find that a speed test site will give them more accurate results due to the bandwidth requires of the test.

50Mb and 100Mb take more from the site, thus as posted by theoldbill they are more susceptible to incorrect figures.

Here is my test run a number of times to the same server now, at around 4am.

To a different server

I made no changes or opened no applications.

Download from a torrent .. attached

I wasnt talking about 100 Mb, I mean can you seriously not read?

This thread is about 50 Mb.

I can max my 50 Mb connection whatever time of day it is, LIKE MANY OTHERS.

If your connection is fluctuating so much I guess theres a problem somewhere then....

I know people with 100 Mb and they ALWAYS get 97 - 101.....

Nopanic

10-07-2011, 12:10

I wasnt talking about 100 Mb, I mean can you seriously not read?

This thread is about 50 Mb.

I can max my 50 Mb connection whatever time of day it is, LIKE MANY OTHERS.

If your connection is fluctuating so much I guess theres a problem somewhere then....

I know people with 100 Mb and they ALWAYS get 97 - 101.....

My connection is not fluctuating :rolleyes: its the speed test ..

How can I post 50Mb speed tests if I don't have 50Mb ? I said 50 and 100 and considering the many thousands of customer reports I see, I'm pretty happy that my opinion is correct.

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I virtually always see very close to 50Mbps of the London and Birmingham speedtest.net servers.

;)

ethan103

11-07-2011, 13:28

My connection is not fluctuating :rolleyes: its the speed test ..

How can I post 50Mb speed tests if I don't have 50Mb ? I said 50 and 100 and considering the many thousands of customer reports I see, I'm pretty happy that my opinion is correct.[COLOR="Silver"]

I never said you had 50 Mb or that you should post them :erm:

Its clear that you connection is just fluctating, I hit 50 Mb, like all my friends that have it, any time of the day, every day....

I admit some servers are really bad on speedtest but most in the UK can easily handle 100 Mb connections, nevermind 50 Mb...

theoldbill

11-07-2011, 15:02

Its clear that you connection is just fluctating, I hit 50 Mb, like all my friends that have it, any time of the day, every day....

I admit some servers are really bad on speedtest but most in the UK can easily handle 100 Mb connections, nevermind 50 Mb...

Yes that's right, a lot are on 1GigE ports, you might say. True, but even that port may be contending with the rest of the rack, even at the data centre level so that tester's capacity will constantly be varying.

Then, you may have speed test 'bursts' of users doing tests, which will make one test different to one 20 seconds later; last week I called Virgin and got through to their customer services straight away. When I remembered a question I'd forgot to ask and called them straight back, I had to wait 3 minutes for a pick-up even though it was less than 5 minutes since I got through straight away. You get the idea?

ethan103

11-07-2011, 15:03

Yes that's right, a lot are on 1GigE ports, you might say. True, but even that port may be contending with the rest of the rack, even at the data centre level so that tester's capacity will constantly be varying.

Then, you may have speed test 'bursts' of users doing tests, which will make one test different to one 20 seconds later; last week I called Virgin and got through to their customer services straight away. When I remembered a question I'd forgot to ask and called them straight back, I had to wait 3 minutes for a pick-up even though it was less than 5 minutes since I got through straight away. You get the idea?

I dont see how at 3am in the morning there can be a "busrt" of users for the UK....

And dosent explain why my speedtests are never affected, eh?

theoldbill

11-07-2011, 15:15

I dont see how at 3am in the morning there can be a "busrt" of users for the UK....

And dosent explain why my speedtests are never affected, eh?

They don't have to be from the UK and you'd be surprised the amount of people who stay up all night playing games and playing with speed tests :)

But seriously, surely you know how the net works (most of it outside of VM's control) to explain why different speeds or results are achieved from different locations in a given network.

What I think you may be meaning is your route to a given tester is 'clearer' than someone saying they get a slower result - even if their route to a tester you find slow gives them full speed?

Nopanic

11-07-2011, 18:39

I never said you had 50 Mb or that you should post them :erm:

Its clear that you connection is just fluctating, I hit 50 Mb, like all my friends that have it, any time of the day, every day....

I admit some servers are really bad on speedtest but most in the UK can easily handle 100 Mb connections, nevermind 50 Mb...

So, I get a solid connection to torrents, maxing out 24/7 ..

I get silly readings from a speed test site and theres an issue with my connection ?

All your friends probably don't add up to the amount of users I've dealt with ..

Groggle

11-07-2011, 20:38

I just had 50meg installed about half an hour ago and here is the speedtest result:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/64.png
(this is wireless with the 'n' adaptor.)
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/07/65.png

Should i leave it for a while before i start to get angry?

I have 50mb and nearly always get between 48 & 50.4 on speed test dot net in the Luton area. You could try unplugging power from modem/router for a few mins. and then power back up. Hoping it sorts itself out.

qasdfdsaq

11-07-2011, 20:47

G can "sync" at 54Mbps but as that is half duplex and there are overheads the best you'll see in practice is ~ 22Mbps.

Single 20MHz channel N (called 135Mbps mode) on the hub can just about do the full 50Mbps. Trying the use the hub at 40MHz 300Mbps mode quickly leads to problems in my experience.

40Mhz/300Mbps mode shouldn't be used on the 2.4Ghz band, it pretty much always causes problems. Hence why Wifi certification all 2.4Ghz devices to ship with 300mbps mode disabled by default. That might be part of why the Superhub isn't WiFi certified. That, and Wifi certification requires passing stringent compatibility tests... Lol :)

cKy Jack

17-07-2011, 17:34

jb66

17-07-2011, 20:41

Well you should be, I wouldn't be happy with that

Nopanic

17-07-2011, 21:22

I have to say, Nopanic is right. Speedtest.net can be wildly inaccurate with tests.

It's no secret that the Super Hub can have it's off days, but they are working on it so have a little faith? i only get about 30mb over wireless off my 100mb connection...and i'm not moaning.

Well you should be, I wouldn't be happy with that

I agree with jb .. but I would guess thats more to do with the wireless device your picking it up from ? G rated?