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Arthurgray50@blu
16-06-2011, 17:53
Chelsea have offered Tottenham 22 Miliion pounds for Modric, here is another club that want to buy players on the cheap.
Modric is worth double that, he is a great player.
If Chelsea came back and said ' we will give you THREE top players plus 22 mil, then we could think about it, otherwise don't waist out time.:D
papa smurf
16-06-2011, 18:00
£22 million to kick a bag of wind around in-front of a bunch of mugs who pay a fortune to watch it :td:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13789159.stm
devilincarnate
16-06-2011, 18:24
£22 million to kick a bag of wind around in-front of a bunch of mugs who pay a fortune to watch it :td:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13789159.stm
Why are they kicking Rooney about, I would pay £22 million to watch that:erm::D:D:D:D
Modric is Spurs' best player by far, that was overlooked in the hype around Bale who, while a decent player, was very overrated on the back of a few good performances. I think it would be a massive loss for Spurs but also United who would be an ideal player for them, I can't think of a better (realistic) buy for United right now than Modric.
£22 million low but I don't think he is worth more than £30 million and that's pushing it. He will leave in all likelihood because he wants Champions League football and Daniel Levy, Spurs' chairman, is nothing if not pragmatic. He will accept a decent offer for Modric. No player is invaluable.
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In other news the 2013 Champions League Final will be held at Wembley for the second time in three years:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13783154.stm
Wembley Stadium will host the 2013 Champions League final, Uefa announced on Thursday.
The match has been awarded to London's showpiece stadium, which hosted this year's final, to mark the Football Association's 150th anniversary.
"This may seem exceptional but I think it was important for us to respect this anniversary of our game," said Uefa president Michel Platini.
Wembley's staging of this year's final was regarded as a resounding success.
Which means it will host the Champions League Final only 2 years after hosting the previous one. Next year the final will be held at Bayern Munich's Allianz Arena before coming back to Wembley the year after.
Cool.
Arthurgray50@blu
16-06-2011, 18:57
I think IF Modric goes, then l think Harry will go to.
We Spurs fans want success, and that will continue with good players, It always saddens me that if a player signs a long term contract, which he has done, then he should honour that.
I think IF Modric goes, then l think Harry will go to.
We Spurs fans want success, and that will continue with good players, It always saddens me that if a player signs a long term contract, which he has done, then he should honour that.
Nah. You can build a better squad even if you lose your best player when the amount reaches a certain level. Harry will leave because he is obsessed with buying players, it's like a addiction, not a healthy way to run the club. Your in good hands as long as Levy is in charge.
Fixtures finally released for the 2011/12 season, first weekend looks interesting for Swansea
Blackburn v Wolves
Fulham v Aston Villa
Liverpool v Sunderland
Man City v Swansea
Newcastle v Arsenal
QPR v Bolton
Stoke v Chelsea
Tottenham v Everton
West Brom v Man Utd
Wigan v Norwich
denphone
17-06-2011, 09:47
Nah. You can build a better squad even if you lose your best player when the amount reaches a certain level. Harry will leave because he is obsessed with buying players, it's like a addiction, not a healthy way to run the club. Your in good hands as long as Levy is in charge.
Yes no player is indespensible as my team Liverpool proved with Torres going.
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Fixtures finally released for the 2011/12 season, first weekend looks interesting for Swansea
Yes l am quite happy with my team at home to Sunderland for the opening match.
Shadow Demon UK
17-06-2011, 12:08
Something interesting about the fixtures - United will play home games after all six of their champions league group games. City have away games after each of their champions league games, which includes playing United, Chelsea and Liverpool.
Swansea are 5000/1 to win the Premiership :D
Swansea are 5000/1 to win the Premiership :D
Thats worth a couple of quid them.
What's the odd on them surviving relegation?
denphone
17-06-2011, 12:53
Swansea are 5000/1 to win the Premiership :D
What l was thinking their price should be more like 100000/1
Nottingham Forest have generated a new club badge since the signing of McClaren
denphone
17-06-2011, 13:50
Nottingham Forest have generated a new club badge since the signing of McClaren
Ah the wally with the brolly.:D:D:D
devilincarnate
17-06-2011, 14:22
Nottingham Forest have generated a new club badge since the signing of McClaren
Classic :D:D:D:D:D
Shadow Demon UK
18-06-2011, 13:55
I see Jack Wilshere is doing his best to make friends with Spurs fans on twitter...
"Don't see all the fuss about Modric wanting a move..he has done welll at Spurs (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Spurs) but he needs to play champions league!"
denphone
18-06-2011, 13:56
I see Jack Wilshere is doing his best to make friends with Spurs fans on twitter...
"Don't see all the fuss about Modric wanting a move..he has done welll at Spurs (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Spurs) but he needs to play champions league!"
The problem with players nowadays is that they have not got a ounce of loyalty.
Shadow Demon UK
18-06-2011, 14:20
Hes 25 and wants to play at the highest level and win trophies, i dont think you can blame him.
Niles Crane
18-06-2011, 19:28
The problem with players nowadays is that they have not got a ounce of loyalty.
....and why exactly should he be loyal to Spurs? Were the Spurs fans bitching and crying about loyalty when he wanted to progress his career by leaving Dinamo Zagreb for them?
When your next offered a better job with better pay are you going to reject it just out of loyalty?
I really wish people would get over the simple, obvious, inevitable fact that players transfer to and from clubs. This Modric situation isn't even a controversial case.
....and why exactly should he be loyal to Spurs? Were the Spurs fans bitching and crying about loyalty when he wanted to progress his career by leaving Dinamo Zagreb for them?
When your next offered a better job with better pay are you going to reject it just out of loyalty?
I really wish people would get over the simple, obvious, inevitable fact that players transfer to and from clubs. This Modric situation isn't even a controversial case.Strangely, I do actually agree with you here. ;)
Unless you gain all your players from an in-house academy from youth, every club is guilty of obtaining most of their team from so-called "disloyal" players.
Transferring to your arch-enemy is an exception to getting angry because your player has been sold ;)
adzii_nufc
19-06-2011, 05:22
Newcastle have signed another frenchman
- Sylvain Marveaux (completed)
- Demba Ba (Completed)
- Cabaye (Completed)
Possibles
- Melvut Erding
- Gervinho
- Neil Taylor
Not a bad midfield come next season.
--Marveaux---Tiote----Cabaye----Ben Arfa---
Erding or Gervinho up front alongside Demba Ba.
Top 10 finish surely. Lets see if the 'Arsenal' approach pays off.
Gervinho is not going to Newcastle, even if the Arsenal deal falls though.
denphone
19-06-2011, 16:17
....and why exactly should he be loyal to Spurs? Were the Spurs fans bitching and crying about loyalty when he wanted to progress his career by leaving Dinamo Zagreb for them?
When your next offered a better job with better pay are you going to reject it just out of loyalty?
I really wish people would get over the simple, obvious, inevitable fact that players transfer to and from clubs. This Modric situation isn't even a controversial case.
What really irritates supporters is that players declare their loving loyalty and kiss the badge for their club and also sign a new contract and then 2 or 3 months later change their tone totally and then say they want to leave the club.
denphone
20-06-2011, 12:17
l see Chelsea are set to appoint the special one II Andre Villas Boas in the next few hours.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/8586264/Chelsea-to-make-Andres-Villas-Boas-new-manager-after-offering-to-pay-release-fee-according-to-reports.html
devilincarnate
21-06-2011, 17:16
l see Chelsea are set to appoint the special one II Andre Villas Boas in the next few hours.
I thought that this was the main point of football:erm:
denphone
21-06-2011, 17:18
I thought that this was the main point of football:erm:
And Barnsley are set to sign Lionel Messi later this week.:D:D:D:D
ChrisLUFC22
21-06-2011, 18:49
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Top 10 finish surely. Lets see if the 'Arsenal' approach pays off.
Whats that then? Boring people to death? Playing 64,228 passes between each defender? Getting all the way to opponents 18 yard box...and passing? :LOL:
adzii_nufc
22-06-2011, 08:55
No, I was referring to Arsenal's transfer policy and squad. Build young and develop rather than spend a stupid amount of money on a few players that could fail to justify a price tag, Note that one of our players that came through the academy was sold for a British transfer record.
Chris Hughton and Villas-boas set to be managers in the premierleague later today.
Villas-Chelsea
Hughton-Birmingham.
No, I was referring to Arsenal's transfer policy and squad. Build young and develop rather than spend a stupid amount of money on a few players that could fail to justify a price tag, Note that one of our players that came through the academy was sold for a British transfer record.
Chris Hughton and Villas-boas set to be managers in the premierleague later today.
Villas-Chelsea
Hughton-Birmingham.
Only one of them are in the premier league. ;)
adzii_nufc
22-06-2011, 09:09
oo Indeed! Really sorry Birmingham fans :D
Looks like newly promoted Swansea need a new goalkeeper
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13875692.stm
devilincarnate
22-06-2011, 18:38
And Barnsley are set to sign Lionel Messi later this week.:D:D:D:D
Not quite but we have got this player?
http://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10309~2379919,00.html
denphone
22-06-2011, 18:41
Not quite but we have got this player?
http://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10309~2379919,00.html
How much did you put towards the transfer fee.:D:D;):D:D
devilincarnate
22-06-2011, 18:44
How much did you put towards the transfer fee.:D:D;):D:D
All of it;):D:D:D:D
denphone
22-06-2011, 18:48
All of it;):D:D:D:D
Well with your millions l suppose you can pay his fee with the interest you get.:D:D:D
Looks like newly promoted Swansea need a new goalkeeper
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13875692.stm
Typical Welsh football management. I bet Huw Jenkins is hoping we get relegated purely for the parachute payments.
adzii_nufc
28-06-2011, 14:56
1345 BST Birmingham reject Stoke's £16m bid for Scott Dann and Cameron Jerome (Sky Sports News)
You really cant make it up! Hope to god that is a typo haha!
oo Indeed! Really sorry Birmingham fans :D
I'd like to say I feel sorry for Birmingham fans as well, but, I can't stop laughing for long enough to. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/29/birmingham-city-carson-yeung-police)
Looks like Nasri to City for £20 Million. Mostly because they are able to afford £180,000 a week wages for him :(
denphone
30-06-2011, 17:24
Looks like Nasri to City for £20 Million. Mostly because they are able to afford £180,000 a week wages for him :(
And no footballer is worth wages of £180,000 a week in my mind and especially in this worldwide age of austerity.
And no footballer is worth wages of £180,000 a week in my mind and especially in this worldwide age of austerity.
Arsenal generate loads of money and we can't afford £180,000 a week. One of the most profitable clubs in the country. What's the point really. Might as well make the league a franchise.
denphone
30-06-2011, 17:31
Arsenal generate loads of money and we can't afford £180,000 a week. One of the most profitable clubs in the country. What's the point really. Might as well make the league a franchise.
Yes and that is what it is increasingly becoming like with all these American owners.
Arsenal generate loads of money and we can't afford £180,000 a week. One of the most profitable clubs in the country. What's the point really. Might as well make the league a franchise.
Not really profitable if you're club is over a hundred million pound in debt (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/19/football-club-accounts-debt) like Arsenal are ;)
denphone
30-06-2011, 19:09
Not really profitable if you're club is over a hundred million pound in debt (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/19/football-club-accounts-debt) like Arsenal are ;)
But quite a lot of the big clubs are in debt in Europe apart from some of the German clubs.
Not really profitable if you're club is over a hundred million pound in debt (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/19/football-club-accounts-debt) like Arsenal are ;)
No. Arsenal are a profitable club. The repayments and Interest for that debt is actually less then the extra income the new stadium, the cause the debt, has generated. So that debt incurred, being paid off in double quick time, has actually made the team more profitable.
Shadow Demon UK
07-07-2011, 22:01
So Wes Brown and John O'shea have signed for Sunderland.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14059071.stm
They will both be missed at United, especially O'shea who brought some of my all time favourite United moments, like nutmegging Figo, playing in goal against Spurs, chipping Almunia at highbury and scoring in the 90th minute in front of the kop. I hope they do well at Sunderland and play regular football.
denphone
08-07-2011, 05:33
Charlie Adam has signed for liverpool and l believe he will be a great signing for them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14051735.stm
Excellent. A nice little windfall for Rangers with Adams sell on clause. :tu:
denphone
08-07-2011, 10:47
Excellent. A nice little windfall for Rangers with Adams sell on clause. :tu:
Yes its good to spread the money around.
adzii_nufc
08-07-2011, 11:59
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/8624209/Full-interview-Craig-Bellamy-on-leaving-Manchester-City-for-Cardiff-City-and-his-colourful-life-in-and-out-of-football.html
Nice article on Craig Bellamy and what he does for others.
denphone
08-07-2011, 13:42
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/8624209/Full-interview-Craig-Bellamy-on-leaving-Manchester-City-for-Cardiff-City-and-his-colourful-life-in-and-out-of-football.html
Nice article on Craig Bellamy and what he does for others.
Yes the perception is that footballers are greedy but they do a lot of good work as well but the media never mention this.
Looks like Man City have found their way out of the FFP rules:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/08/manchester-city-deal-etihad-airways
muppetman11
08-07-2011, 23:06
Looks like Nasri to City for £20 Million. Mostly because they are able to afford £180,000 a week wages for him :(
I think Nasri will either stay at Arsenal or transfer to United for around 23 million.
Looks like Man City have found their way out of the FFP rules:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/08/manchester-city-deal-etihad-airwaysIt will still be Wastelands to us ;)
England Ladies just miss out on playing in the semi finals of the World Cup, a very good effort from them. :clap:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14094533.stm
Maybe the men's team should take note.
Arthurgray50@blu
09-07-2011, 21:04
There were several great things about watching this game, It was brilliant, the commitment from the girls, the passion to win Take note England men, and the girls were not on the same sort of money as the pansies that play in the PL.
Excellent game of football.
We should have a regular weekly game of females games of football on tv
England Ladies just miss out on playing in the semi finals of the World Cup, a very good effort from them. :clap:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14094533.stm
Maybe the men's team should take note.
I think the mens team are already pretty good at getting knocked out on pens.
Arthurgray50@blu
10-07-2011, 15:24
The England pansies might keep getting on knocked out on penalties, but the ladies gave more effort and sweat then the men.
adzii_nufc
12-07-2011, 16:20
Give over with the criticism of the England male team. England winning the world cup would be comparable to Spurs winning the Premierleague except the Spurs players weren't boo'd off the pitch at the end of their campaign.
Too many England fans that have expectations above the roof.
Lastest transfer news
Corinthians make £35m bid for Man City's Carlos Tevez
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14117887.stm
Bendtner has options of staying in the Premierleague with a 12m move, possible clubs being Villa, Bolton, Newcastle and a few others... Presumably half of the league bar Chelsea and Man United
ChrisLUFC22
13-07-2011, 20:19
Looks like Man City have found their way out of the FFP rules:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/08/manchester-city-deal-etihad-airways
Didn't you see this coming? :shocked:
denphone
13-07-2011, 20:28
Give over with the criticism of the England male team. England winning the world cup would be comparable to Spurs winning the Premierleague except the Spurs players weren't boo'd off the pitch at the end of their campaign.
Too many England fans that have expectations above the roof.
Lastest transfer news
Corinthians make £35m bid for Man City's Carlos Tevez
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14117887.stm
Bendtner has options of staying in the Premierleague with a 12m move, possible clubs being Villa, Bolton, Newcastle and a few others... Presumably half of the league bar Chelsea and Man United
For someone on astronomical amounts of money Tevez is nothing more then a selfish mercenary who only cares about himself.:mad:
Uncle Peter
13-07-2011, 22:35
Liverpool have finally agreed a fee with Aston Villa for the transfer of Stuart Downing
Should be up on the official site shortly
medical is supposedly tomorrow
Liverpool are making some odd buys at high prices this window...
Uncle Peter
13-07-2011, 22:43
Liverpool are making some odd buys at high prices this window...
Odd buys? perhaps and I suppose the product of the "moneyball" way of doing things where the best candidates are determined on statistical analysis with a few other metrics behind the system such as age and resale value.
In terms of the transfer fees. What has been quoted in the media thus far is a long way from reality.
adzii_nufc
14-07-2011, 11:09
What about last transfer window when they splashed out £35million on an injured player with barely 15 EPL goals to his name.
They are paying far too much. £20 million for Downing? It's insanity.
adzii_nufc
14-07-2011, 11:29
Go Go Liverpool! Another flop season incoming then.
Shadow Demon UK
15-07-2011, 00:44
They are paying far too much. £20 million for Downing? It's insanity.
They've spent a combined £75 million on Carroll, Henderson and Downing.
I didn't think it would be possible to spend so much money for such average players.
denphone
15-07-2011, 05:37
Liverpool are making some odd buys at high prices this window...
Where do you get the impression that they are odd buys.:)
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They've spent a combined £75 million on Carroll, Henderson and Downing.
I didn't think it would be possible to spend so much money for such average players.
l supposing that they might be average have something to do with you not supporting Liverpool and supporting some other team is the premiership.:rolleyes:
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Go Go Liverpool! Another flop season incoming then.
Not another non Liverpool supporter.:rolleyes:
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They are paying far too much. £20 million for Downing? It's insanity.
That is the market rate Damian.:)
Uncle Peter
15-07-2011, 13:47
Well some sections of our media were reporting a transfer fee of £20M for Jordan Henderson!
Bottom line is that things are now being done well and truly behind closed doors, just as they were before Moores and Parry started dragging our tradition of having respect for other clubs into the mud. The upshot is that "pet hacks" are no longer getting their scraps to feed on. Filling up column inches when there's no news is pretty much restricted to reporting vastly over-estimated transfer fees when very few people know the reality of the situation, then waffling on about how much over the odds we've paid.
Predictable and tiresome lazy journalism and people buy it. Also doesn't help when you get idiots like David Pleat and co. rambling on about such things on national radio.
They're giving clubs like Newcastle and Sunderland tens of millions for their little-to-no investment. Works out great for the smaller clubs.
Where do you get the impression that they are odd buys.:)
That is the market rate Damian.:)
Because they are average players, albeit promising ones. Liverpool are paying the price for the players they may turn out to be rather than the ones they are now. Downing and Henderson are not, yet, players for a Champions League competing team they are players for the kind of team they are at. Downling fair enough at £10 million or so - he would fit in - Henderson again would be good for £8 or so million as he has promise.
They are pay over the odds because they are English players which command an absurd premium.
Uncle Peter
15-07-2011, 14:20
Henderson again would be good for £8 or so million as he has promise.
Henderson's transfer fee was closer to £8M than most people have been led to believe. Media, media tsk tsk
denphone
15-07-2011, 14:27
Because they are average players, albeit promising ones. Liverpool are paying the price for the players they may turn out to be rather than the ones they are now. Downing and Henderson are not, yet, players for a Champions League competing team they are players for the kind of team they are at. Downling fair enough at £10 million or so - he would fit in - Henderson again would be good for £8 or so million as he has promise.
They are pay over the odds because they are English players which command an absurd premium.
Maybe they did pay a premium for them but we will know in a couple of years if they are average players and l remember the so called critics at Arsenal in the last 10 to 15 years saying why have you signed another average player or players and those players turned out to be Vieira, Petit, Bergkamp Henry and many more and despite my average knowledge of football l am sure they were not average players.
adzii_nufc
15-07-2011, 14:35
They're giving clubs like Newcastle and Sunderland tens of millions for their little-to-no investment. Works out great for the smaller clubs.
Newcaslte and Sunderland are among the 30 richest clubs in the world so really It is them laughing all the way to the bank whilst offloading an average player for a stupid sum of money.
TheDaddy
15-07-2011, 14:36
Originally Posted by Damien http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/88/33678768-football-season-2011-12-a-page-5.html#post35273718)
Because they are average players, albeit promising ones. Liverpool are paying the price for the players they may turn out to be rather than the ones they are now. Downing and Henderson are not, yet, players for a Champions League competing team they are players for the kind of team they are at. Downling fair enough at £10 million or so - he would fit in - Henderson again would be good for £8 or so million as he has promise.
They are pay over the odds because they are English players which command an absurd premium.
Downing got more goals and assists than Modric last year and those fees have a lot of add ons included, I think they are doing the right thing buying British based, they are proven and that's why theres a premium, Liverpool can't afford to give anyone a season to bed in like they did with Alonso they need to hit the ground running and I for one think they will.
Maybe they did pay a premium for them but we will know in a couple of years if they are average players and l remember the so called critics at Arsenal in the last 10 to 15 years saying why have you signed another average player or players and those players turned out to be Vieira, Petit, Bergkamp Henry and many more and despite my average knowledge of football l am sure they were not average players.
I don't remember anyone saying Bergkamp was average and when Henry, Viera and Petit signed people said who rather than they're average.
Bottom line is that things are now being done well and truly behind closed doors.
The Downing deal was done in the press and through agents. Nothing behind closed doors about it. One minute he wants to sign a new contract with Villa and is thanking them for their faith in signing him with a major injury and sticking with him when he wasn't playing well and saying how he owed them a lot, and then he has a meeting with his agent, refuses to discuss a new contract, talks about leaving in the press, and hands in a transfer request.
You've got a strange idea of what behind closed doors means.
denphone
15-07-2011, 14:58
Downing got more goals and assists than Modric last year and those fees have a lot of add ons included, I think they are doing the right thing buying British based, they are proven and that's why theres a premium, Liverpool can't afford to give anyone a season to bed in like they did with Alonso they need to hit the ground running and I for one think they will.
I don't remember anyone saying Bergkamp was average and when Henry, Viera and Petit signed people said who rather than they're average.
l remember them saying that they were failed players when they played in Italy and basically said they could not cut the mustard at the higher club level.
TheDaddy
15-07-2011, 15:05
l remember them saying that they were failed players when they played in Italy and basically said they could not cut the mustard at the higher club level.
Higher club level? Juventus and Inter were and arguably still are bigger clubs than Arsenal and Serie A was a much better league 15 years ago than it is now.
Uncle Peter
15-07-2011, 15:08
You've got a strange idea of what behind closed doors means.
What Downing's agent does is his business
If you think that the financials of that and any of the other deals have been aired in public then think again.
denphone
15-07-2011, 15:21
Higher club level? Juventus and Inter were and arguably still are bigger clubs than Arsenal and Serie A was a much better league 15 years ago than it is now.
I think that has to be disputed as to who is the bigger club and yes Serie A was better 15 years ago but has declined due to several factors which are the rise of a cash rich Premiership and Primera liga which are able to offer higher wages and a more competitive league especially in England and also their club have had a lot of huge debts and there is also the hooligan problem which is much worse in Italy then it is in England and also by the way who do you support.
TheDaddy
15-07-2011, 16:01
I think that has to be disputed as to who is the bigger club
There's no real dispute they are bigger clubs, you only have to look at the clubs trophy cabinets in recent years and throughout history.
denphone
15-07-2011, 16:23
There's no real dispute they are bigger clubs, you only have to look at the clubs trophy cabinets in recent years and throughout history.
Did Inter Milan or Juventus go through the season unbeaten like Arsenal and also remember the Italian league has generally always been less competitive then the English league throughout history so it is easier to win trophys in Italy.
Now which is the bigger club as the facts say Arsenal according to the renowned Deloitte list.:);):)
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/sports/football/0b5d33ba17a0e210VgnVCM2000001b56f00aRCRD.htm
There's no real dispute they are bigger clubs, you only have to look at the clubs trophy cabinets in recent years and throughout history.
How many of those trophies were won, and how many were bought? That's the problem with the Italian league, it's corrupt to the core.
denphone
15-07-2011, 16:36
How many of those trophies were won, and how many were bought? That's the problem with the Italian league, it's corrupt to the core.
On that there is no doubt.
Did Inter Milan or Juventus go through the season unbeaten like Arsenal and also remember the Italian league has generally always been less competitive then the English league throughout history so it is easier to win trophys in Italy.
Now which is the bigger club as the facts say Arsenal according to the renowned Deloitte list.:);):)
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/sports/football/0b5d33ba17a0e210VgnVCM2000001b56f00aRCRD.htm
Yeah.
AC Milan: 7 times Champions of Europe, 4 times runners up.
Juventus: 2 times Champions of Europe, 5 times runners up.
Arsenal: 1 time runners up.
I like Arsenal, but there's no comparing them with Milan and Juve.
TheDaddy
15-07-2011, 17:08
Did Inter Milan or Juventus go through the season unbeaten like Arsenal and also remember the Italian league has generally always been less competitive then the English league throughout history so it is easier to win trophys in Italy.
Now which is the bigger club as the facts say Arsenal according to the renowned Deloitte list.:);):)
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/sports/football/0b5d33ba17a0e210VgnVCM2000001b56f00aRCRD.htm
How many trophys have Arsenal won in the last 6 years and how many European Cups have Arsenal won full stop, they have 5 between them and 45 league wins and where does it say in the "renowned Deloitte list" that they are bigger, looks to me like it lists the amount of money they make per season, which is part of all what's wrong with the modern game imo. Plus I'm sure teams like Lazio, Sampdoria, Roma, Parma etc would object to being called less competitive when compared to the likes of some that have "graced" our top flight over the years.
denphone
15-07-2011, 17:20
How many trophys have Arsenal won in the last 6 years and how many European Cups have Arsenal won full stop, they have 5 between them and 45 league wins and where does it say in the "renowned Deloitte list" that they are bigger, looks to me like it lists the amount of money they make per season, which is part of all what's wrong with the modern game imo. Plus I'm sure teams like Lazio, Sampdoria, Roma, Parma etc would object to being called less competitive when compared to the likes of some that have "graced" our top flight over the years.
If you look at matches between English and Italian clubs in the last 10 years it will tell you that Englishs clubs have a superb record against Italian clubs in Europe so l have no doubt which is the superior league and also when Arsenal have played Italian sides in Europe in the last 10 years they have won the vast majority of matches.
TheDaddy
15-07-2011, 17:35
If you look at matches between English and Italian clubs in the last 10 years it will tell you that Englishs clubs have a superb record against Italian clubs in Europe so l have no doubt which is the superior league and also when Arsenal have played Italian sides in Europe in the last 10 years they have won the vast majority of matches.
Who was in any doubt about what's currently the better league? In terms of trophies even in the last 10 years they aren't comparable as Arsenal have just 2 leagues and 3 FA cups to show for their efforts where as Inter have 4 leagues 5 cups and a Champions League win, Juventus with all their problems have the same number of league wins as Arsenal which speaks volumes + if Arsenal are the bigger club why is their talk of Nasri leaving them to join Inter?
denphone
15-07-2011, 17:40
Who was in any doubt about what's currently the better league? In terms of trophies even in the last 10 years they aren't comparable as Arsenal have just 2 leagues and 3 FA cups to show for their efforts where as Inter have 4 leagues 5 cups and a Champions League win, Juventus with all their problems have the same number of league wins as Arsenal which speaks volumes + if Arsenal are the bigger club why is their talk of Nasri leaving them to join Inter?
l think we better call this a score draw as we are both using different stats and viewpoints to state our points.:);):)
Niles Crane
15-07-2011, 23:01
It's not really a score draw though. Inter, AC Milan and Juventus are all bigger clubs than Arsenal and i say that as an Arsenal fan (though admittedly, i have a big soft spot for Inter and Italian football in general as well).
I don't think anybody with a full, unbiased view of world football would think otherwise. Arsenal may be richer and have more fans on a worldwide scale, but this is purely because of the surge in popularity of English football - the popularity which Italian football had during the 90's. Outside of that, those Italian sides outdo Arsenal in pretty much every area. The same goes with clubs like Benfica, Porto, Bayern Munich etc etc - it's only the money and popularity of a league (or lack of) which distorts the prestigiousness of certain clubs.
LondonRoad
15-07-2011, 23:56
They're all big clubs with great traditions and history. Wasn't it the Woolwich Arsenal that the Italians were expecting to represent England in the "first World Cup" in the early 1900s
If the Dennis Waterman film of the Lipton trophy was accurate, the Italians expected the world renowned Woolwich Arsenal because they had the same initials as the mining team who were actually there.
In typical Alf Tupper fashion the miners beat the best that Europe could muster to win the trophy, hammering Juve in the final. :D
edit... and a quick google finds the site of the Durham miners, West Auckland AFC:
http://www.westaucklandweb.com/
Newcaslte and Sunderland are among the 30 richest clubs in the world so really It is them laughing all the way to the bank whilst offloading an average player for a stupid sum of money.
A few years ago maybe. Newcastle couldn't get sold at £100m now they've just sold a player for £35m making one player worth nearly half of the club.
adzii_nufc
16-07-2011, 04:37
Just takes one good season for the Value to rocket back up.
Been a very good start to transfer business for us with money being spent wisely and not all on one player. Can see a above average season ahead with the Completely revamped Midfield and revamped strikers. We expect one more striker incoming but its all being kept quiet. Local sources claim its Bendtner but I never believe them.
TheDaddy
16-07-2011, 06:45
Did Inter Milan or Juventus go through the season unbeaten like Arsenal
AC Milan did in 1991, when their league was in full pomp, infact they went 58 games unbeaten 9 more than the invincibles.
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l think we better call this a score draw as we are both using different stats and viewpoints to state our points.:);):)
Yes one of us is using trophies and the other cash, wonder what most Arsenal fans would rather have in the bank.
denphone
16-07-2011, 07:13
AC Milan did in 1991, when their league was in full pomp, infact they went 58 games unbeaten 9 more than the invincibles.
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Yes one of us is using trophies and the other cash, wonder what most Arsenal fans would rather have in the bank.
Well l know what l want at my club Liverpool and thats the Premiership.:);):)
Here is a nice picture for all the Gooners, pity it won't last for long.:p::D
League table (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm)
Jim.
Yes one of us is using trophies and the other cash, wonder what most Arsenal fans would rather have in the bank.
Big club status isn't confined to either money or trophies although it's the former that makes the difference in transfers. Historically AC Milan and Juventus are bigger clubs than Arsenal but that's not really true anymore. Juventus are let to really recover the status they lost after the scandals and Italian football itself has fallen behind the Premier League in terms of audience and money.
I think it's hard to define a club or big or not so big anyway. Man City can command some of the best players in the world and their trophy count isn't brilliant but they can pay £200,000 a week.
Newcastle strikers are absolutely terrible. Shola should have gone years ago, Lovenkrands is past it, Demba Ba was a strange signing but providing his wages aren't too high he's acceptable, Best was an impulse waste of money buy and Ranger should be put out on loan or sold because he's not up to a good enough standard (yet).
Multiple strikers need to be signed, Gutierrez has an ego and no skills to back them up and Barton should have gone for the trouble he stirred a month or two ago.
If these promotion teams are any good we're in trouble.
denphone
17-07-2011, 05:51
Newcastle strikers are absolutely terrible. Shola should have gone years ago, Lovenkrands is past it, Demba Ba was a strange signing but providing his wages aren't too high he's acceptable, Best was an impulse waste of money buy and Ranger should be put out on loan or sold because he's not up to a good enough standard (yet).
Multiple strikers need to be signed, Gutierrez has an ego and no skills to back them up and Barton should have gone for the trouble he stirred a month or two ago.
If these promotion teams are any good we're in trouble.
The question Newcastle supporters need to ask is where is the money from the Carroll deal.
adzii_nufc
17-07-2011, 08:01
Jun 2011 Yohan Cabaye Lille £TBC
Jun 2011 Demba Ba Unattached Free
Jun 2011 Sylvain Marveaux Stade Rennes £TBC
Jul 2011 Mehdi Abeid Unattached Free
Including agent fee's and wages the money is right there. There was never any plans on blowing £35million on a single player. With bidding ongoing for an un-named striker I'm pleased with current business.
I recall Andy Carroll scoring quite a few, I also recall Nolan scoring a bundle from starting as a Centre Forward.
But lets base it on facts rather than opinion, Newcastle were 6th for goals scored, 3 behind Liverpool and 4 behind Manchester City. January came and Carroll left. People claimed we couldn't score goals. Arsenal fans learnt the hard way.
denphone
17-07-2011, 08:17
Jun 2011 Yohan Cabaye Lille £TBC
Jun 2011 Demba Ba Unattached Free
Jun 2011 Sylvain Marveaux Stade Rennes £TBC
Jul 2011 Mehdi Abeid Unattached Free
Including agent fee's and wages the money is right there. There was never any plans on blowing £35million on a single player. With bidding ongoing for an un-named striker I'm pleased with current business.
I recall Andy Carroll scoring quite a few, I also recall Nolan scoring a bundle from starting as a Centre Forward.
But lets base it on facts rather than opinion, Newcastle were 6th for goals scored, 3 behind Liverpool and 4 behind Manchester City. January came and Carroll left. People claimed we couldn't score goals. Arsenal fans learnt the hard way.
But l am a Liverpool supporter and we generally beat Newcastle with our eyes closed.:D:):D
adzii_nufc
17-07-2011, 08:48
But l am a Liverpool supporter and we generally beat Newcastle with our eyes closed.:D:):D
Indeed, But I simply do not want to be thought of as one of those Toon fan that expects Cristiano Ronaldo in the summer and to spend 35million on a single player. Mike Ashley has put a lot of money into the club and a lot of people fail to realise that. Blame is pointed at Ashley for relegation when the truth is it was coming for a long time due to spending a lot of money on unknown and rubbish players.
P.S http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/9268294.stm
Mike Ashley also spends a lot of money on frivolous luxuries which would annoy the fans no-end if they knew about them.
denphone
17-07-2011, 09:02
Indeed, But I simply do not want to be thought of as one of those Toon fan that expects Cristiano Ronaldo in the summer and to spend 35million on a single player. Mike Ashley has put a lot of money into the club and a lot of people fail to realise that. Blame is pointed at Ashley for relegation when the truth is it was coming for a long time due to spending a lot of money on unknown and rubbish players.
P.S http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/9268294.stm
Well perhaps we will give you that one but head for head there is no contest me marra.
http://www.lfc.tv/news/latest-news/liverpool-v-newcastle-stat-attack-1
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Mike Ashley also spends a lot of money on frivolous luxuries which would annoy the fans no-end if they knew about them.
How very true.
adzii_nufc
17-07-2011, 09:53
What he spends his money on is none of our business. I doubt he is on Par with Abramovich's Yacht.
Unless you are suggesting he pockets the income of Newcastle United?
Wayne Bridge will be a good buy but again it depends on what wages they're giving him.
I don't expect big money buys, just be sensible with the funds and buy people who are certainly committed to the club without having to buy their commitment.
Here is a nice picture for all the Gooners, pity it won't last for long.:p::D
League table (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm)
Jim.
I'll take norwich finishing 12th as well ;)
denphone
18-07-2011, 13:14
I'll take norwich finishing 12th as well ;)
l am afraid the canarys will be struggling to stay steady on their perch next season and l would expect them to go down even thoough l would like them to stay up.:)
adzii_nufc
19-07-2011, 12:05
Norwich, QPR and Swansea will take a battering next season but one of them should survive with a bit a luck and we will see Wolves or Wigan make the drop.
The difference between Premierleague and Championship football is a lot bigger than people make it out to be.
Take West Brom and Newcastle's championship campaign in what turned out to be the most one sided title race which was wrapped up Christmas with both teams securing unchallenged promotion a month or so before the season had finished.
More to the point of the Premierleague Title, Hopefully Arsenal can stop dropping points in easy games and actually make it somewhat of an interesting season with more than 2 title challengers. I see Chelsea winning it in the end but I do not see the Champions league trophy at Stamford bridge unless the special one is in the hot seat.
Norwich, QPR and Swansea will take a battering next season but one of them should survive with a bit a luck and we will see Wolves or Wigan make the drop.
I tend to agree however no one gave Blackpool are figs chance in hell and they *almost* managed it. Not finishing bottom & not getting totally humiliated week in week out will be okay for me - finishing 4th from bottom and i'll be ecstatic!
I have a feeling Swansea will get relegated so hard we'll end up in League One next year :(
Well they don't even have a keeper yet do they?
The difference between Premierleague and Championship football is a lot bigger than people make it out to be.
Premier league football is all about the bottom of the table and who'll survive. The top half is as predictable as night and day
Well they don't even have a keeper yet do they?
Well yeah we signed a replacement but Wolves' gain was definitely our loss.
adzii_nufc
21-07-2011, 17:12
Its funny though because when the 3 from the premierleague drop, They usually steamroll championship opposition and come right back up so It's nice to see Swansea, QPR and Norwich who have not been about either at all or for a few seasons.
Whether its just the fact that Newcastle's relegation was just unlucky or not still doesn't stop Birmingham, West Ham or West Brom burying championship teams when they do drop.
Southampton, Sheff Utd, Watford, Derby, Leeds, etc never came straight back up more relegated yet again. I'd say Newcastle was the anomaly.
Whether its just the fact that Newcastle's relegation was just unlucky or not still doesn't stop Birmingham, West Ham or West Brom burying championship teams when they do drop.
West Brom are still in the premiership
Well yeah we signed a replacement but Wolves' gain was definitely our loss.
I think he would have got more premiership experience sticking with Swansea, instead he has to compete with 2 other reserves and the current first team keeper
adzii_nufc
21-07-2011, 21:23
Most of the teams mentioned there James were in a real crisis, Leeds being the more high profile crisis than the others.
What I mean are teams that bounce up and down all the time. Sunderland were a club that were in and out of that league easily.
Usually one promoted club survives the drop but both West Brom and Newcastle proved their Premierleague credentials whilst Blackpool had a good run and an awesome first try. they just did not cut it out.
When 3 teams come up that have been championship clubs for years.. Its going to be a dose of battering's week in week out and usually and here's to hoping that one of them can pull of a string of results to keep them above an unfortunate club.. Probably Wolves :p:
Sorry Norwich and QPR fans but I do hope it's Swansea :D
Well yeah we signed a replacement but Wolves' gain was definitely our loss.
Who have you signed? On wikipedia's squad list there isn't anyone.
Who have you signed? On wikipedia's squad list there isn't anyone.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14087660.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14087660.stm
Can't see why they might want Camp then. Must be media bs.
Well they only have the one keeper don't they? What happens if he stubs his toe :D
Super Mario strikes again, or perhaps not.:D
Balotelli = Buffoon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3EddZSCOds)
Super Mario strikes again, or perhaps not.:D
Balotelli = Buffoon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3EddZSCOds)
It was a pre-season friendly and he did score the first goal.. but Mancini wasn't happy about it and he did get dragged off two minutes later.. City won the match on penalties 7-6 after a 1-1 fulltime result.
Highlights are on the main site http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Video/Match-highlights/LA-Galaxy-1-City-1-extended
denphone
25-07-2011, 10:18
l see Balotelli is having one of his strops again so why do Man City persist with him and Tevez is beyond me.
Probably because when they're both not spitting dummies they are both good players..
Talking about players attitudes I thought the rumours of Joey Barton going to MUFC was a joke.. I'm surprised newcastle put up with his attitude
Talking about players attitudes I thought the rumours of Joey Barton going to MUFC was a joke.. I'm surprised newcastle put up with his attitude
He's a joke. Newcastle signed him when he'd just been arrested for stubbing a cigarette on someone and now that he's (supposedly) back in form he's throwing his weight around thinking he's jesus or something.
denphone
25-07-2011, 11:52
Probably because when they're both not spitting dummies they are both good players..
Talking about players attitudes I thought the rumours of Joey Barton going to MUFC was a joke.. I'm surprised newcastle put up with his attitude
Yes they are both good players but l do not think some managers would be as accommodating as Mancini is with his so called man management style.
He wouldn't last 2 minutes around SAF.
denphone
25-07-2011, 11:55
He's a joke. Newcastle signed him when he'd just been arrested for stubbing a cigarette on someone and now that he's (supposedly) back in form he's throwing his weight around thinking he's jesus or something.
Rumours this morning that Man Utd were in interested in him.:confused:
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He wouldn't last 2 minutes around SAF.
Who or what is SAF.
LOL, Denphone I suggest that you slowly back away from the the forum before Russ sees that last post :D I wonder if he'll find an infraction for it.. ** 20 points for not knowing who SAF is???
:rofl:
PS..SAF = Sir Alex Ferguson (MUFC manager)
denphone
25-07-2011, 12:16
LOL, Denphone I suggest that you slowly back away from the the forum before Russ sees that last post :D I wonder if he'll find an infraction for it.. ** 20 points for not knowing who SAF is???
:rofl:
PS..SAF = Sir Alex Ferguson (MUFC manager)
Yes l have failed abysmally on this one and therefore accept all responsibility for this aberration and my only excuse can be is that l support Liverpool.:o:;):o:
Nah, that excuse doesn't work.. I'm a Man City supporter and even I can't use that as an excuse :D
denphone
25-07-2011, 12:24
Nah, that excuse doesn't work.. I'm a Man City supporter and even I can't use that as an excuse :D
Now theres a team under pressure this season and l fully expect Liverpool to beat them twice.;):);)
adzii_nufc
25-07-2011, 15:09
Newcastle are unfortunately about to be thrown into turmoil by another player revolt led by non other than Jose Enrique.
Both Barton and Enrique are kicking up a fuss for two completely different reasons. Barton is kicking a fuss because he wants to spend the rest of his Career in a Newcastle shirt and Enrique is questioning the 35m transfer funds which are going nowhere.
Seems to me like they wanted Barton to leave this summer for a price rather than have him refuse and see his contract out. Enrique they also want out, Stating he wasnt interested in a highest earner contract but rather money spent on quality players.
To my reckoning we enjoyed 35m in January.
Nolan to West ham - 4+ Million
Enrique to ****** - 7-15 Million
Cabaye to Newcastle - 5 million
Marveaux to Newcastle - 5 million
Demba ba to Newcastle - Free
Possible Striker - Free - 10 million
Ben Arfa - 5+Million
Defender to replace Enrique - Free - 7 million
We are selling all of our best players apparently.. He fails to see that we are also replacing them with new and what could be proved to be better talent. I'm sorry but Tiote replacing Alan Smith was a godsend.
So nothing is being spent.. Apart from the £17 million a few weeks ago on 3 players and the Incoming Striker + The defender to replace Enrique..
Newcastle United.. Soap's and Footie on one channel!
denphone
25-07-2011, 15:12
Away the Mackems.:);):)
Away the Mackems.:);):)Are you a Sunderland fan now? ;)
adzii_nufc
25-07-2011, 16:02
Nah he's just naffed we stole all there monies in January.
Also something to discuss is Chelsea, and Both of the Manchester's lack of interest in the new Uefa policy coming into action soon.
Teams cannot spend more than they bring in. Platini loses the Premierleague and I'm afraid you dont have a very interesting 'Champions League' pal.
denphone
25-07-2011, 16:04
Are you a Sunderland fan now? ;)
l prefer them to Newcastle but the great Liverpool are my team.
adzii_nufc
25-07-2011, 16:13
l prefer them to Newcastle but the great Liverpool are my team.
The same Liverpool that lost 14 games last season and failed to Qualify for any Uefa competition. I'm guessing this is the season you win the PremierLeague title
because its ''your year'' like the other 10 years. :dozey:
denphone
25-07-2011, 16:16
The same Liverpool that lost 14 games last season and failed to Qualify for any Uefa competition. I'm guessing this is the season you win the PremierLeague title
because its ''your year'' like the other 10 years. :dozey:
Thats is before our Kenny took over and remember we will always finish above your inconsistent team.:);):)
adzii_nufc
25-07-2011, 16:32
You still had an easy run to Qualify for the Europa league or even the Champions League after Kenny arrived. In FACT. He lost 7 games last season in charge.. The same amount as his predecessor?
We are inconsistent? With the current squad of Liverpool and the sheer calibre and money spent with one goal.. to win a Premierleague Title which still has not happened and we are the ones that are inconsistent. A promoted club from the championship that only managed 12th place and losing the same amount of games as Liverpool. Your not the big 4 club anymore.
Facts are better than opinions.
I'll be the first to admit I'm a Newcastle fan and we are far from a brilliant team. But Liverpool were absolutely crap whether you like it or not. But I suppose it was all Rafa's fault. The man that delivered you the most memorable comeback in history to win a 5th Champions league. Maybe you should point the finger at your underperforming players rather than the Owner or the Manager because they are responsible for the downfall! Torres couldn't score in a brothel.
denphone
25-07-2011, 16:35
You still had an easy run to Qualify for the Europa league or even the Champions League after Kenny arrived. In FACT. He lost 7 games last season in charge.. The same amount as his predecessor?
We are inconsistent? With the current squad of Liverpool and the sheer calibre and money spent with one goal.. to win a Premierleague Title which still has not happened and we are the ones that are inconsistent. A promoted club from the championship that only managed 12th place and losing the same amount of games as Liverpool. Your not the big 4 club anymore.
Facts are better than opinions.
I'll be the first to admit I'm a Newcastle fan and we are far from a brilliant team. But Liverpool were absolutely crap whether you like it or not.
You sound like a Typical manager.:);)
adzii_nufc
25-07-2011, 16:38
You sound like a Typical manager.:);)
Because If I based everything off my opinions... Newcastle would be contenders for the Premierleague Title ;)
denphone
25-07-2011, 16:43
Because If I based everything off my opinions... Newcastle would be contenders for the Premierleague Title ;)
Is that for the wooden spoon Premiership title.:);):)
adzii_nufc
25-07-2011, 16:46
Is that for the wooden spoon Premiership title.:);):)
Indeed! Something your lot has spent the last 10 years chasing as well. :p:
denphone
25-07-2011, 16:51
Indeed! Something your lot has spent the last 10 years chasing as well. :p:
Liverpool
5 European cups
18 Premiership titles
2 UEFA cups
Counless leagues cups
Countless Fa cups
And many more trophies
Newcastle
Fairs cup and maybe the odd tin pot trophy.:D:D:D
adzii_nufc
25-07-2011, 16:56
Liverpool
5 European cups
18 Premiership titles
2 UEFA cups
Counless leagues cups
Countless Fa cups
And many more trophies
Newcastle
Fairs cup and maybe the odd tin pot trophy.:D:D:D
Incorrect, Liverpool have never won the Premiership no matter how hard you keep trying to change it! The point its this is now.. I could care less for what happened 50 years ago.
denphone
25-07-2011, 16:58
Incorrect, Liverpool have never won the Premiership no matter how hard you keep trying to change it! The point its this is now.. I could care less for what happened 50 years ago.
Not just a manager but a politician as well.;)
Really should read League titles.. and not Premiership or Premier league titles.. Only 5 teams I think have won the Premiership
TheDaddy
25-07-2011, 17:19
Really should read League titles.. and not Premiership or Premier league titles.. Only 5 teams I think have won the Premiership
Hmm I think they should all just be called league titles, there was football before the prem, despite what SKY would have us believe...
The Premier League does serve as a useful milestone in when football became a commercial giant and had a big increase in popularity. It's not just the case that the name of the league changed, a different type of league took it's place. Hence the dominance of certain teams who were well positioned to take advantage of the massive revenues generated in the last 15 years.
TheDaddy
25-07-2011, 17:34
The Premier League does serve as a useful milestone in when football became a commercial giant and had a big increase in popularity. It's not just the case that the name of the league changed, a different type of league took it's place. Hence the dominance of certain teams who were well positioned to take advantage of the massive revenues generated in the last 15 years.
No one's denying any of that, it's just if you're a teenager today you could be forgiven for thinking football started in this country in 1993 :(
I couldn't care less for what happened 50 years ago.
There, corrected that for you :)
Really should read League titles.. and not Premiership or Premier league titles.. Only 5 teams I think have won the Premiership
Agreed. It's more accurate to say "United have won more league titles than Liverpool" instead of "United have won more Premiership titles than Liverpool".
To put another point forward. There was a premier league before the "English Premier league", in scotland.
Of course, as soon as England renamed their league, Premier league became synonymous with English league.
Gripe over :D
Agreed. It's more accurate to say "United have won more league titles than Liverpool" instead of "United have won more Premiership titles than Liverpool".
Will you stop agreeing with me... people will start thinking that I'm "The" Kym :rofl:
As for the Premier(ship) League it is so different than the old Division 1 that I don't think a title 30 years ago is comparable to a title these days.. The teams, players and the rules are a lot tougher and professional.
Will you stop agreeing with me... people will start thinking that I'm "The" Kym :rofl:
As for the Premier(ship) League it is so different than the old Division 1 that I don't think a title 30 years ago is comparable to a title these days.. The teams, players and the rules are a lot tougher and professional.
Agreed. I'm not one who thinks the good old days was best. Some of the football I seen 30 years ago was dire. And that was when my team was winning.
My lasting memory was going to a Hibs match (though I'm a Jambo) and watching a certain george Best play his first game for Hibs. That taught me what real football was about, made the rest seem pretty crap.
Niles Crane
25-07-2011, 18:26
Just to add my two pennies worth:
The "Premiership" is a rugby union league. The top flight of English football is called the Premier League, not Premiership and has been for about 4 years now. So please stop calling it the latter. Thank you.
Just to add my two pennies worth:
The "Premiership" is a rugby union league. The top flight of English football is called the Premier League, not Premiership and has been for about 4 years now. So please stop calling it the latter. Thank you.
The names part of it's history.. but unlike the change from Division 1 there was a lot less change when it stopped being the Premiership and is now The Premier League..
But as this is a football thread and not a Rugby thread I don't think it'll be confused, also try typing in Premiership into any search engine and tell me what's the top 3 results ;)
The names part of it's history.. but unlike the change from Division 1 there was a lot less change when it stopped being the Premiership and is now The Premier League..
But as this is a football thread and not a Rugby thread I don't think it'll be confused, also try typing in Premiership into any search engine and tell me what's the top 3 results ;)
What would we do without the search engine :D
adzii_nufc
25-07-2011, 19:59
Regardless, It's still never been to Liverpool! :p:
Regardless, It's still never been to Liverpool! :p:
And might never :D Though Hull must feel like champions after their result
adzii_nufc
25-07-2011, 20:12
Indeed, on a more serious note rather than the usual anti-Liverpool banter. There is no doubt they have terrific fans home & away and they truly deserve Premierleague glory.
One of my favourite moments in football involves Liverpool which I'm sure everyone will remember as possibly the greatest football match in recent history or of all time! Liverpool 3p-3 AC Milan
I bet somewhere.. Sir Alex was on his feet!
I bet somewhere.. Sir Alex was on his feet!
Yes I'm sure he was. Also probably saying to himself "Yeah, coming back from behind when everyone thought a team was well beaten in a CL final, no other English club has done that in ages..."
Yes I'm sure he was. Also probably saying to himself "Yeah, coming back from behind when everyone thought a team was well beaten in a CL final, no other English club has done that in ages..."
:D made me laugh
Oh, and watching the Dunfermline vs St Mirren match. I missed football, and watching this, still missing it :D
adzii_nufc
25-07-2011, 20:22
Yes I'm sure he was. Also probably saying to himself "Yeah, coming back from behind when everyone thought a team was well beaten in a CL final, no other English club has done that in ages..."
I hope your not going on about the 1999 final because that was nowhere close to matching Istanbul in any stretch of your imagination. ''Well beaten'' at 1-0?
Niles Crane
25-07-2011, 21:05
I hope your not going on about the 1999 final because that was nowhere close to matching Istanbul in any stretch of your imagination. ''Well beaten'' at 1-0?
I support Arsenal.
Man United's comeback beats Liverpool's by a country mile. However good Liverpool's was, they actually drew the match and won on penalties. Meh.
Oh, and Man United's sycophantic fans are slightly less annoying than Liverpool's.
I hope your not going on about the 1999 final because that was nowhere close to matching Istanbul in any stretch of your imagination. ''Well beaten'' at 1-0?
You 'hope'?! Does that scare you?!
I understand anyone suggesting I'm biased but 1999 had a hell of a lot more drama than the Liverpool final. Yes 'well beated' because up until the 89th minute we had no way through to Bayern. They absorbed everything we threw at them, until THAT corner...
Don't get me wrong, on a sporting level I'll agree Liverpool's final was exciting but I think most sensible people will agree that United's final had that little bit more.
You 'hope'?! Does that scare you?!
I understand anyone suggesting I'm biased but 1999 had a hell of a lot more drama than the Liverpool final. Yes 'well beated' because up until the 89th minute we had no way through to Bayern. They absorbed everything we threw at them, until THAT corner...
Don't get me wrong, on a sporting level I'll agree Liverpool's final was exciting but I think most sensible people will agree that United's final had that little bit more.
I just like good football. But i seen Man Utd's game, because there seemed to be a chance (only 1 down). Whilst Liverpool, I think I switched off at half time...but no doubt would have been excited if I'd watched it live :D
The Man City Sergio Aguero deal has been completed, he's signed a 5 year contract.. I think he'll play really well with Silva feeding him balls
denphone
28-07-2011, 18:31
The Man City Sergio Aguero deal has been completed, he's signed a 5 year contract.. I think he'll play really well with Silva feeding him balls
Yes Aguero is a player l have watched a lot on Sky's spanish footballl and he is a very talented player and in my mind he is better then Tevez.
He's more of a front man than Tevez.. Tevez though is a better all rounder..
My worry though is if he can make the change in style from Spanish to English football
denphone
28-07-2011, 19:02
He's more of a front man than Tevez.. Tevez though is a better all rounder..
My worry though is if he can make the change in style from Spanish to English football
Yes l believe given time he will adapt to the Premier League.
The Man City Sergio Aguero deal has been completed, he's signed a 5 year contract.. I think he'll play really well with Silva feeding him balls
This I do not like. I now take City seriously as a top-3 finish club.
denphone
28-07-2011, 19:08
This I do not like. I now take City seriously as a top-3 finish club.
Yes behind my team Liverpool.;)
This I do not like. I now take City seriously as a top-3 finish club.
Well we did it last year...
City though need to prove that they won't do their usual and self destruct for the middle of the season as they do normally start and finish well.
So who's the top three Russ... City, Chelsea and Arsenal?? :rofl:
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Talking of Arsenal I wonder if the talk of Fabregas and Nasri going is true and how they'll cope losing two such play makers..
Top three this season, Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea
Tottenham, Liverpool and arsenal fighting for 4th, 5th and 6th
And the match between Santos and flamenco was some game
As was Lille v Marseille
Both 5-4s..both good games
denphone
28-07-2011, 19:41
Top three this season, Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea
Tottenham, Liverpool and arsenal fighting for 4th, 5th and 6th
No the top six are as follows
1ST Liverpool
2ND Man Utd
3RD Man City
4TH Chelsea
5TH Arsenal
6TH Tottenham
And suddenly it turns into fantasy football :rofl:
And suddenly it turns into fantasy football :rofl:
Fantasy football, would be me saying Hearts for the league...I wouldn't say that even drunk :D
denphone
28-07-2011, 20:56
:rofl:
You know deep down that this will be the inevitable outcome.:)
What, people laughing at you? Yep.
Inter Milan open the door for Wesley Sneijder to join Manchester United
If it happens, you can call me a Dutchman :)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8669013/Inter-Milan-open-the-door-for-Wesley-Sneijder-to-join-Manchester-United.html
denphone
29-07-2011, 05:44
What, people laughing at you? Yep.
Did l not tell you that l am the son of a famous comedian.:D:D;):D:D
Shadow Demon UK
29-07-2011, 12:39
He's more of a front man than Tevez.. Tevez though is a better all rounder..
My worry though is if he can make the change in style from Spanish to English football
In my opinion this is by far the best signing city have made since they came into money. It might take him a month or two to adapt, like it did Silva, but he will be a quality player for city in the long run.
He signed for the wrong side of Manchester.
He signed for the wrong side of Manchester.
Maybe, but as the amateur teams can't afford him, and 5 a side is out...then he has gone to the best side otherwise :D
denphone
29-07-2011, 16:46
Maybe, but as the amateur teams can't afford him, and 5 a side is out...then he has gone to the best side otherwise :D
The best of a bad bunch in Manchester.:D
devilincarnate
29-07-2011, 16:56
The best of a bad bunch in Manchester.:D
But in regards to this which one is just trying to strengthen the team and who is still trying to build the team? Same can be said for the teams in London, Liverpool and everywhere else?
This is just IMHO:erm:
2-1 win for MU over Barcelona last night in their friendly :clap:, will be interesting to see MC's result against InterMilan in the supercup this afternoon
denphone
31-07-2011, 09:51
Yes it would be nice if they can beat Inter Milan.
GOAL!!!! Balotelli header from a corner with seconds to go in the first half..
IM 0-1 MC (half time)
GOAL!!!! Balotelli header from a corner with seconds to go in the first half..
IM 0-1 MC (half time)
Not bad....now if they can get another midfielder..and a defender (I disagree with manbikini about a winger"...could be an interesting season
IM 0-2 MC ------- 40 seconds into the 2nd half, Dzeko :D
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Very supervised that Aguero isn't on the bench as it would have made a good last 20 minutes sub for him to find his place in the team
IM 0-2 MC ------- 40 seconds into the 2nd half, Dzeko :D
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Very supervised that Aguero isn't on the bench as it would have made a good last 20 minutes sub for him to find his place in the team
I think he might be in the shield team
And maybe "unsupervised" :D
denphone
31-07-2011, 17:47
They are playing very well are Man City and even l do not support them l will be supporting them when they play their most hated and my most hated enemy Man Utd.
They are playing very well are Man City and even l do not support them l will be supporting them when they play their most hated and my most hated enemy Man Utd.
You sound like a super hero or super villain
I can see you saying that...hands on hips..wearing tights
don't let your mom catch you in her tights
believe me...don't, it's heck :D
(Colin25 uses less upsetting word)
They are playing very well are Man City and even l do not support them l will be supporting them when they play their most hated and my most hated enemy Man Utd.
Why do you hate Man-U?? I can understand having a rivalry towards them but hating them???
:shocked:
You seriously need to adjust that shameful stance :(
denphone
31-07-2011, 17:55
You sound like a super hero or super villain
I can see you saying that...hands on hips..wearing tights
don't let your mom catch you in her tights
believe me...don't, it's heck :D
(Colin25 uses less upsetting word)
l will put on my Batman tights a bit later for my partner.:D:D
devilincarnate
31-07-2011, 17:56
They are playing very well are Man City and even l do not support them l will be supporting them when they play their most hated and my most hated enemy Man Utd.
The town that we live in has links to Man U and also there has been a lot more over the years?
Here is the main link. So hate is a bad word?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Taylor
denphone
31-07-2011, 17:59
Why do you hate Man-U?? I can understand having a rivalry towards them but hating them???
:shocked:
You seriously need to adjust that shameful stance :(
Well let me put it in a more restrained language in that they are my least favourite team.:):)
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The town that we live in has links to Man U and also there has been a lot more over the years?
Here is the main link. So hate is a bad word?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Taylor
Yes l apoligise to anybody who l might have upset.
0-3 with only a few seconds left, Adam Johnson
Final whistles gone.. IM 0 - 3 MC
:D So that means that City have won the Dublin Supercup :D
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0-3 with only a few seconds left, Adam Johnson
Final whistles gone.. IM 0 - 3 MC
:D So that means that City have won the Dublin Supercup :D
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0-3 with only a few seconds left, Adam Johnson
Final whistles gone.. IM 0 - 3 MC
:D So that means that City have won the Dublin Supercup :D
They played ok...looking forward to the season
Next Sunday should be a good game..
Shadow Demon UK
31-07-2011, 19:56
I see Arsenals pre season has gone well, they couldn't even win their own competiton...
denphone
31-07-2011, 19:59
I see Arsenals pre season has gone well, they couldn't even win their own competiton...
Arsenal defence has not improved one jot and l still think the spine of the side is not good enough either.
I see Arsenals pre season has gone well, they couldn't even win their own competiton...
Despite them playing a junior team and an american team...doesn't augur well :D
Overreacting a tad are we not? Arsenal drew a couple of pre-season games, the first in which they changed a lot of the team at half time and the other one they changed quite a few players including introducing a new CB for his debut. It's a pre-season game, it's not indicative of the season. Both Manchester teams have beaten Barcelona in pre-season games, Leicester only lost to Real Madrid 2 - 1 yesterday.
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Despite them playing a junior team and an american team...doesn't augur well :D
Boca Juniors are one of the best clubs in Argentina. They just have Junior in their name.
0-3 with only a few seconds left, Adam Johnson
Final whistles gone.. IM 0 - 3 MC
:D So that means that City have won the Dublin Supercup :D
City must be very excited, the first of many mickey-mouse trophies :D
Arsenal defence has not improved one jot and l still think the spine of the side is not good enough either.
Arsenal have a pretty good defence when everyone is fit. Koscielny and Vermaelen were great today, especially Koscielny. Koscielny has excellent awareness and positioning, he reads a pass very early, if he has addressed his physical aspect then he can be one of the best defenders in the league.
Btw Arsenal conceded the fewest goals from open play last year, all while our best center back was injured.
It's not quite as obvious and simple as people make out. We need another center back both to add depth and to address the weakness and set-pieces.
City must be very excited, the first of many mickey-mouse trophies :D
A good win though over Inter Milan even with Sneijder playing.. now I can't remember who's he thinking of transferring too... :p:
I though like the small friendly international competitions as it's good practice for the european games.. pity though that City didn't get a chance to play Celtic in the comp.
As I said though I think that next Sunday will be interesting especially with MU looking for revenge over the FA-cup semi defeat. I'm really looking forward to the game
adzii_nufc
31-07-2011, 21:01
Newcastle went down 3-2 to Leeds united thanks to some terrible goalkeeping from the lad that won a trophy with Celtic last year.
Bright game for Haris Vuckic again though scoring his second in 2 games.
Seems to be a lot of hype around this boy as if he is the next big name striker.
Shame really because if that does come to truth he wont be at Newcastle :( Only 18 as well.
Shadow Demon UK
31-07-2011, 21:53
Overreacting a tad are we not? Arsenal drew a couple of pre-season games, the first in which they changed a lot of the team at half time and the other one they changed quite a few players including introducing a new CB for his debut. It's a pre-season game, it's not indicative of the season. Both Manchester teams have beaten Barcelona in pre-season games, Leicester only lost to Real Madrid 2 - 1 yesterday.
I wasn't overreacting, it was more a joke about Arsenal and not winning competitons. I rarely take much interest in results of pre season games as they mean very little.
As I said though I think that next Sunday will be interesting especially with MU looking for revenge over the FA-cup semi defeat. I'm really looking forward to the game
Are you going?
Nah :( being so far away from Manchester means that there's no way of getting the loyalty points required to get a ticket.. no way I'll pay the ebay/scalp prices..
Will though find a nice bar and enjoy watching it with a bottle of wine..
Arthurgray50@blu
31-07-2011, 22:39
I am going to stick my head out here, and l have seen my crystal ball, it has given me the top five for this season.
Tottenham
Man Utd.
Chelsea
Liverpool
Man City
Relegated SHOCKER Arsenal Swansea
And l am NOT dreaming
I am going to stick my head out here, and l have seen my crystal ball, it has given me the top five for this season.
Tottenham
Man Utd.
Chelsea
Liverpool
Man City
Relegated SHOCKER Arsenal Swansea
And l am NOT dreaming
Yes. You are.
Arthur....in a completely platonic way, I love you - please don't ever leave CF :D
Man United
Chelsea
Arsenal
Spurs
Liverpool
Man City
Everton
Villa
Stoke
West Brom
Sunderland
Bolton
Fulham
Newcastle
Blackburn
QPR
Wigan
Swansea
Norwich
Wolves
Wonder what the odds on that are?
EDIT: Predicting the Red Devils to win on my 666th post. I'm doomed. :p:
Man United
Man City
Chelsea
Arsenal
Spurs
Liverpool
Will change the above dependent on signings.
Overreacting a tad are we not? Arsenal drew a couple of pre-season games, the first in which they changed a lot of the team at half time and the other one they changed quite a few players including introducing a new CB for his debut. It's a pre-season game, it's not indicative of the season. Both Manchester teams have beaten Barcelona in pre-season games, Leicester only lost to Real Madrid 2 - 1 yesterday.
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Boca Juniors are one of the best clubs in Argentina. They just have Junior in their name.
lol..i know...but it was funnier saying it that way
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I am going to stick my head out here, and l have seen my crystal ball, it has given me the top five for this season.
Tottenham
Man Utd.
Chelsea
Liverpool
Man City
Relegated SHOCKER Arsenal Swansea
And l am NOT dreaming
I like your sense of humour :D
Ok then,
heres my tip for the upcoming season,
1st.Man Utd.
2nd. Who cares.:D
As much as I hate to say it, I think Swansea will get relegated so hard we'll be in the Conference by Christmas :(
As much as I hate to say it, I think Swansea will get relegated so hard we'll be in the Conference by Christmas :(
lol :D
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I laughed at first..but maybe not a bad idea...anyone relegated from premier league...goes all the way to the bottom..like snakes and ladders
One heck of an incentive to stay up...though some teams seem to do that the hard way...want to get relegated each successive season :D
19th November will be an interesting day. For the first time in my life I will be the most anti-United person on the planet :D
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/joey-barton-why-this-newcastle-united-fan-is-glad-hes-off/
interesting read...barton has always been a player I thought should never be allowed to play football...there aren't many I think like that..but he is one
Here are some interesting figures....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14367608.stm
You could pay £100 for a match day ticket at Arsenal :eh:
Here are some interesting figures....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14367608.stm
You could pay £100 for a match day ticket at Arsenal :eh:
Yup. Great view though, it's a newly designed stadium after all. However your not going to pay anything near that sum unless you choose the premium seats for the top games.
£4 for a pie? Whats in it? Pheasant?
£4 for a pie? Whats in it? Pheasant?
As it's at Arsenal might it contain wild bore? :D
adzii_nufc
02-08-2011, 15:01
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/joey-barton-why-this-newcastle-united-fan-is-glad-hes-off/
interesting read...barton has always been a player I thought should never be allowed to play football...there aren't many I think like that..but he is one
Did you read the comments underneath? Barton has the backing of our fans countrywide with the select few going out of there way to make sure his off the pitch antics are never forgotten. Its a shame for a guy how had a fantastic season with minimal issues to be constantly kicked when possible.
Barton is also still a Newcastle player, He hasn't gone anywhere as of yet and he has no plans of going anywhere unless the unthinkable happens and they pay off the rest of his contract and force him to leave a year earlier.
Newcastle United refused to release their figures and I can tell you the reason for this. They wont release them because for a club that just bounced back up and finished in the bottom half of the table... they charge the same prices as a top 4 club.
Best thing City ever did was get rid of him
TheDaddy
02-08-2011, 15:19
£4 for a pie? Whats in it? Pheasant?
Peasent actually...
denphone
02-08-2011, 16:17
Best thing City ever did was get rid of him
And they can follow that up by getting rid of 2 other troublemakers in Tevez and Balotelli.:td::td:
devilincarnate
02-08-2011, 16:20
Peasent actually...
Baldrick possibly :erm:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/08/52.jpg
And they can follow that up by getting rid of 2 other troublemakers in Tevez and Balotelli.:td::td:
Tevez?? No idea why the hell you're comparing him with Joey.. As for Balotelli at least he's not gone as far as GBH (though close with the darts).. I remember the cigar incident which wasn't light hearted but plain malicious
idi banashapan
02-08-2011, 16:33
Baldrick possibly :erm:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/08/52.jpg
'rat surprise'
denphone
02-08-2011, 16:44
Tevez?? No idea why the hell you're comparing him with Joey.. As for Balotelli at least he's not gone as far as GBH (though close with the darts).. I remember the cigar incident which wasn't light hearted but plain malicious
As a respected member of this forum l think you are making excuses for players who are getting £200,000 a week so to moan about how they are unhappy in Manchester really takes the biscuit.
Why do you use respected and revered when talking about me?? Weird....
Being unhappy with surroundings in a dump like Manchester isn't anything strange.. Though Tevez's main issue is being separated from his daughter and family, as for Balotelli he's made one comment saying that he's missing Italy.. I miss Manchester yet I'll probably never go back there to live..
Stop taking things so extreme.. Tevez has played great football, helped win an FA cup but if he wants to go then I hope he's happy where ever he ends up..
TheDaddy
02-08-2011, 16:50
'rat surprise'
rat o van
Do they serve cappuccinos??? Extra frothy with sprinkles!!!
devilincarnate
02-08-2011, 16:57
'rat surprise'
rat o van
LMFAO:D:D:D
denphone
02-08-2011, 17:04
Why do you use respected and revered when talking about me?? Weird....
Being unhappy with surroundings in a dump like Manchester isn't anything strange.. Though Tevez's main issue is being separated from his daughter and family, as for Balotelli he's made one comment saying that he's missing Italy.. I miss Manchester yet I'll probably never go back there to live..
Stop taking things so extreme.. Tevez has played great football, helped win an FA cup but if he wants to go then I hope he's happy where ever he ends up..
You seem to be a bit over sensitive and overreactionary about comments made about Man City.:(
Nope, I just react to nonsense comments, like when you stated you HATE ManU, if I was City bonkers then surely I would have agreed with the comment..
You're comparing though a footballer who's been convicted twice of assualt and been sentenced to 4 months in prison(suspended)..to footballers who have said that they're missing their family and homeland.. I find that truly worrying if you can't tell the difference :rolleyes:
denphone
02-08-2011, 17:13
Nope, I just react to nonsense comments, like when you stated you HATE ManU, if I was City bonkers then surely I would have agreed with the comment..
You're comparing though a footballer who's been convicted twice of assualt and been sentenced to 4 months in prison(suspended)..to footballers who have said that they're missing their family and homeland.. I find that truly worrying if you can't tell the difference :rolleyes:
l know exactly what the difference is but perhaps if they miss their family and homeland that much then perhaps its time for them to pack football in get into a profession where they are nearer their families and homeland but they seem to be very quick to pick up their huge pay cheques each month.
You seem to be worrying about it a lot more than any Man City supporter..
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