Ghosts

[Barewolf]

Im laughing typing this because i know someone will think ive lost the plot, but i need a serious reply

basically.....We have a ghost, im convinced of it, but who do you contact? Its not like you have a local ghostbusters.

Ive tried to capture evidence but it doesnt seem to work

:p:

suggestions?

[Scary]

local priest will come round, we had one and got the local priest and it never botherd us again coz we moved lol.

[Russ]

Ive tried to capture evidence but it doesnt seem to work



Maybe because ghosts don't exist? :D

[peanut]

Get a ouija board and find out what it wants. Could be Captain Howdy. :D Anyone showing any signs of being possessed yet?

Or get some draught excluders, they normally get rid of most.

[joglynne]

Maybe ask for a House Blessing on Wednesday?

[grandmaster]

Get off this site and on to mine LOL.

Post your experiences!!!! :D:D:D:D

[Jimmy-J]

Are you sure it's what you think it is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDaupp76r60&feature=related

[Barewolf]

i didnt expect that many comments, is there no number i can call or anything?

im really serious, id love to solve this and get people in to record what happens.

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Maybe ask for a House Blessing on Wednesday?


lol, i cant as its not a religious wedding, pitty as im catholic

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Get a ouija board and find out what it wants. Could be Captain Howdy. :D Anyone showing any signs of being possessed yet?

Or get some draught excluders, they normally get rid of most.


black magic isnt my thing, i wouldnt do a ouija board, no way. thats tapping into evil on a high level.

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Maybe because ghosts don't exist? :D

id have to show you otherwise, i didnt believe in them either, but they exist

[TJS]

For fear of sounding crazy to; my old house has ghosts; everybody that came over experienced it; the house was built in the 1800s, but an extension doubling its size was added in back in the 60s and the old front door bricked up; you'd every now and then see someone walk from where the old front door was through the dining room and into the kitchen then disappear; And we had a grandfather clock which had been broken for a good while because it got damaged in the move; and the hands would be 10 to 2; the you could look again and they'd be set to 20 past 4 it'd happen when it was just you in the house; along with other things like everything getting thrown of all the shelves in my room when i was stood in the hallway talking e.t.c

[Mr_love_monkey]

Something keeps drinking all the beer in my fridge

[Kymmy]

Normally if people tell me that they've seen ghosts I normally tell them to keep away from the spirits.. :D

[TheDaddy]

Might help

http://www.wikihow.com/Get-a-Ghost-out-of-Your-House

[Jimmy-J]

To be honest, I don't for one second believe in ghosts. There's never any proper, believable evidence to show that they do exist.

[Barewolf]

To be honest, I don't for one second believe in ghosts. There's never any proper, believable evidence to show that they do exist.


wanna come visit then?

i know they exist ive seen too much, i dont want to get rid of it i just want to get evidence.

[Mr_love_monkey]

what do they do?

[joglynne]

Maybe some leads to someone who could help on this link.

http://www.clubbz.com/find/Bromsgrove/Paranormal/clubs/1

I haven't gone to any of the linked sites as they all seem to emphasize that it's ADULTS ONLY and I am a tad worried about what I may find. :D

[Barewolf]

i dunno if theres more than one, but ones touched my dogs bum a few times and scared her

the cats fixated at a spot on the wall although theres noting there

in bed i often joke about ghosts and something always happens, a creek, a bang etc

it could all be coincidence but i doubt it.

the one thing i havent said is i actually saw something in the lounge last night, for me thats 100% proof, either that or im going mad, and im not admitting to being mad.

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Maybe some leads to someone who could help on this link.

http://www.clubbz.com/find/Bromsgrove/Paranormal/clubs/1

I haven't gone to any of the linked sites as they all seem to emphasize that it's ADULTS ONLY and I am a tad worried about what I may find. :D

well if thres any porn there its a bonus jo, ill check it out lol, no seriously i will. :dozey:

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i dunno if theres more than one, but ones touched my dogs bum a few times and scared her

the cats fixated at a spot on the wall although theres noting there

in bed i often joke about ghosts and something always happens, a creek, a bang etc

it could all be coincidence but i doubt it.

the one thing i havent said is i actually saw something in the lounge last night, for me thats 100% proof, either that or im going mad, and im not admitting to being mad.

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well if thres any porn there its a bonus jo, ill check it out lol, no seriously i will. :dozey:


awesome jo, great find, im gonna ring one of them up and see what they say..........fly on the wall moment.

[dilli-theclaw]

It still may not be a ghost. It could be some form of temporal incursion or collision with a parrallel universe. Something odd / strange like that.

Anyway it's not important, if it's proof you're after I think i'd start with a few web cams about the place recording everything and you can then look through the recordings etc.

IF it IS a ghose you may not be ABLE to record / prove it anyway.

[joglynne]

You are welcome BW ... have fun. :)

[Mr_love_monkey]

i dunno if theres more than one, but ones touched my dogs bum a few times and scared her


"woof!woof!woof!" - "What's that Lassie? Little Timmy is stuck down the well? ... and a ghost touched your bum?"

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the cats fixated at a spot on the wall although theres noting there


I thought cats did that anyway? - mine always used to.



the one thing i havent said is i actually saw something in the lounge last night, for me thats 100% proof, either that or im going mad, and im not admitting to being mad.

What did you see?

[Kymmy]

i dunno if theres more than one, but ones touched my dogs bum a few times and scared her

the cats fixated at a spot on the wall although theres noting there




Did the dog tell you it was a ghost? or is she just hiding the fact she has fleas and one decided to bite at that point in time..

As for cats.. their hearing is very very good.. just an insect/spider living in the wallspace will create enough noise to make them stare.. In fact it's a good way of finding out if you have an infestation...

[denphone]

Maybe because ghosts don't exist? :D

Im my mind when l was younger ghosts did exist for me and l used to hide underneath my bedsheets at night because l was frightened at times.

[Mr_love_monkey]

Im my mind when l was younger ghosts did exist for me and l used to hide underneath my bedsheets at night because l was frightened at times.

erm

thanks for sharing.

[Blackened]

i dunno if theres more than one, but ones touched my dogs bum a few times and scared her

I think I've burst something - I physically hurt myself laughing at that. Thank you.

[Stephen]

CAts do tend to stare at nothing. My two are forever doing it. They have really sensative hearing.

As for a ghost touching your dogs rear end, how exactly do you know this? Can you speak dog?

Am sure its nothing really.

[Jimmy-J]

wanna come visit then?

No, sorry, I have ailurophobia. :erm:

[adzii_nufc]

Ghosts exist solely in your head.

As for the above theory of multiple dimensions...well LOL

[dilli-theclaw]

Ghosts exist solely in your head.

As for the above theory of multiple dimensions...well LOL
I mentioned parallel universes not other dimensions ;) but now that you brought it up it's a good suggestion and certainly no less odd than it being a ghost.

Just because you can't explain something doesnt mean it's not happening or that it'll be a 'normal' explanation.

I don't believe in ghosts but that doesn't mean I don't think odd things like this described may occur on occasion.

[Welshchris]

We had a Ghost when i was living at home with parents and we are Convinced it was my Grand dad. It started when i was about 11 years old and getting bulied at school because i have Psoriasis. When i was alone in a room i would always feel uneasy as if i was beeing watched. One day an electric razor shot across the room off the wardrobe and narrowly missed me, i was in the bath one day when a white mist passed through the outter wall of the house in through the inner wall into my bedroom and then it was as if someone was jumping on my bed at which point i shot out of the bath and run into my neighbours with just a towel on. During this time also my brother took a photograph on the landing which when developed showed a figure of a man walking out of my bedroom into the bathroom which looked like my grand dad at which point my mum ripped it up and burned it and refuses to talk about it. It only went away when an elderly lady living opposite heard of what was happened and knitted me a laced cross which i hung in my bedroom and it went away.

The Flat i now live in the guy who lived here before died at the flat. Before i knew of this as i didnt learn of it until a few months after moving in, while moving in Bags were moved around rooms for example my parents had asked me to leave decorating stuff outside the bedroom door as it was for the bedroom they were in the bedroom and i couldnt get in, i said ok and was off out. When i came back my parents asked why i had put them in the kitchen when they asked me to leave them outside the bedroom and the kitchen is 2 rooms away and they still swear blind they found them in the kitchen. I also smell ciggerette smoke some early hours and the guy who died was a heavy smoker.

I was also told by a moronic Electrician that my immersion heater was haunted but thats another story.

Get a Cross or something or contact local priest i dont know if the priests charge now though.

If it goes bump in the night it maybe this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooqjn0jDois

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It still may not be a ghost. It could be some form of temporal incursion or collision with a parrallel universe. Something odd / strange like that.

Anyway it's not important, if it's proof you're after I think i'd start with a few web cams about the place recording everything and you can then look through the recordings etc.

IF it IS a ghose you may not be ABLE to record / prove it anyway.

if it is a ghoose id stay well away they can give a nasty bite :D

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Might help

http://www.wikihow.com/Get-a-Ghost-out-of-Your-House

it says on that link Get rid of negative energy using sage.

Whats an accounts package gotta do with getting rid of spooks :D

[Stephen]

Maybe you should call these guys

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/06/40.jpg

[Jimmy-J]

Ohhh reeealllly Mr Barewolf... Ghosts you say?... OK, just a little pin prick and you'll be as right as rain. ;)

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/06/39.jpg

[Welshchris]

Product 13, ur not allowed to actually say that in medicine now "You will feel a little prick" lol

[AdamD]

Quite a few close minded folk in this thread, which is a shame.

We had a ghost in our previous house, to, wasn't very frequent, but things happened which just couldn't be explained rationally.

Couple of examples that spring to mind include

1) The front of the house had 4 windows, 3 were sash
On three occasions all three windows would forcibly bang back and forth, as if someone was grabbing the window and pushing/pulling repeatedly, this usually went on for about 10 seconds or so, then it wouldn't happen again for several months.

2) We had a large wrought (sp) iron gate on the side of the house, which if left open, would suddenly slam, very forcefully, as if someone had either slammed it, or something had crashed into it.
And we know it wasn't the wind, because the gate never budged in windy conditions
We ended up adding a padlock to the gate to stop it, because it used to this this quite frequently and it was loud enough to wake us and the neighbours up, hehe.

Another instance which I remember very vividly, was my mother and I were in the kitchen, standing with our backs to each other, I was washing up, she was cooking on the stove, something brushed against both of us at the same time, enough that it pushed us forward
We both thought it was each other, but it wasn't.
Was a little creepy. :P

Didn't help that there was a message scrawled on the wall under the stairs, which said "You lock me up, you are a bad master", either. :P

[joglynne]

Many years ago John and I were visiting a Country House, we were making our way along a corridor into the display room, across from the door where we entered the room was a door which led into the garden.

A woman entered the room from the garden and walked diagonally across the room in front of us and I assumed that, as I couldn't see her when I entered the room, she had gone out of a door hidden from my view by some display cabinets. We started looking at the exhibits and worked our way to where she had gone but there was no doorway only a blank wall. I was a bit rattled about where she had gone and turned to look around the room. John and I were the only occupants and when I double checked that she hadn't just gone back out of the garden door I saw that it was in fact a window and that it was closed. I was about to say something to John when he commented that he though he must have been seeing things as he was sure that a woman had been in the room with us and yet there was no exit from the room that she could have used without us seeing it.

Later when we were walking in the garden we noticed we were on a path that went in front of the exhibition room and spookily when we looked at the window we noticed that the stonework had been altered and that it had originally been a doorway.

I still can't say I believe in a lot of the paranormal things that I have seen in some TV programs but I am willing to believe that there are some things that happen that can't be simply explained away.

[staggie]

my dad saw one

[idi banashapan]

just because something cannot be explained immediately does not make it paranormal, wizardry or a parallel universe. just take a step back and think about what you are saying here... ghosts? we live on a tiny rock, spinning it's way through space around a huge ball of fire. life is just a chain of chemical reactions and tiny electric signals in patterns. there are no ghosts. when those signals cease to be, that is it. dead. done. why would a 'spirit' hang about?

as for Ouija Boards - well, they are just board games. there is nothing sinister about them. they do not contact the dead. the game was desinged for groups of friends to play. Parker games still holds the patent on it if i remember correctly. i think that says it all - it's just a board game. you can blame 'The Exorcist' for any link to ghosts. so a movie is dictating your feelings on a board game being attributed to the 'spirit' world.

fear ye not - you have no ghosts. the mind is a powerful thing. unlike spooky spectres! :)

[Mr_love_monkey]

Actually, to be fair, I do believe in ghosts - in as much as I believe there are many things in this world that we can't explain - and ghostly happenings fall into those categories - but I think it's also very easy to put things down to 'ghosts' rather than trying to find a rational explanation... cats staring at walls and dogs suddenly jumping up fall into the easily explained category.

[denphone]

You could say if we believe in ghosts then perhaps we should believe in life after death.

[Barewolf]

just because something cannot be explained immediately does not make it paranormal, wizardry or a parallel universe. just take a step back and think about what you are saying here... ghosts? we live on a tiny rock, spinning it's way through space around a huge ball of fire. life is just a chain of chemical reactions and tiny electric signals in patterns. there are no ghosts. when those signals cease to be, that is it. dead. done. why would a 'spirit' hang about?

as for Ouija Boards - well, they are just board games. there is nothing sinister about them. they do not contact the dead. the game was desinged for groups of friends to play. Parker games still holds the patent on it if i remember correctly. i think that says it all - it's just a board game. you can blame 'The Exorcist' for any link to ghosts. so a movie is dictating your feelings on a board game being attributed to the 'spirit' world.

fear ye not - you have no ghosts. the mind is a powerful thing. unlike spooky spectres! :)

trust me, im the last person to believe in ghosts, i love science and im always watching documentries

if you had witnessed what i have, then you wouldnt say this :)

oh by the way, i did ring up someone to come investigate this problem, basically because i want to capture some evidence of it, so i a few weeks i should be able to post the results of there findings.

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CAts do tend to stare at nothing. My two are forever doing it. They have really sensative hearing.

As for a ghost touching your dogs rear end, how exactly do you know this? Can you speak dog?

Am sure its nothing really.


lol, ok well you had to be here to see it.

basically my dog is a lab, she isnt small, and it takes her a while to get up from lying down to alert.

weve watched her and when this has happened something freaked her out enough for her to get up from sleeping to alert

as i said, this is just one instance.

[Jimmy-J]

oh by the way, i did ring up someone to come investigate this problem, basically because i want to capture some evidence of it, so i a few weeks i should be able to post the results of there findings.
How much are they charging you? ;)

[Barewolf]

How much are they charging you? ;)


they dont charge, you really think id pay someone? lol, like i said im not mad

[Lew]

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/avatars/14069.gif?dateline=1133599622
ZUUL!

[Mr_love_monkey]

so what other things have happened?

[idi banashapan]

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/avatars/14069.gif?dateline=1133599622
ZUUL!

do NOT let the Gate Keeper and the Key Master meet.

and NEVER cross the streams!!!!

[peanut]

they dont charge, you really think id pay someone? lol, like i said im not mad

You'll probably get an assessment to start with, they'll get plenty of bad vibes and funny noises / reading from their 'Spectrometers', then they'll say it's really bad, and I mean Amityville bad. And your lives with depend on taking the deluxe ghost cleansing package that involves a few day's or weeks work at least, then followed on by a monthly package where they'll do a remote seance on your behalf to make sure your house is clean.

[Jimmy-J]

You'll probably get an assessment to start with, they'll get plenty of bad vibes and funny noises / reading from their 'Spectrometers', then they'll say it's really bad, and I mean Amityville bad. And your lives with depend on taking the deluxe ghost cleansing package that involves a few day's or weeks work at least, then followed on by a monthly package where they'll do a remote seance on your behalf to make sure your house is clean.
That is so true.

And watch out for one of them planting hect... ecter.... ektorpl... that slimy sticky stuff.

[idi banashapan]

barewolf - it's not a ghost. sleep easy. honestly. think of the billions of people who have lived and died on this lump of rock floating through space. why are we not constantly hounded by dead people? because there are no ghosts. sometimes things happen that you cannot explain there and then, but that does not mean it's a ghost. we don't live in medieval times anymore. forget about witches, curses and spirits. you'll do no good wandering about with such thoughts in your head.

get some personal interaction with someone (not via a computer screen). this sort of stuff is often experienced by people who spend a lot of time alone or just in the house - would this tie in with you over the last week or two? get yourself out down the pub with some mates or something. seriously, you'll see things differently.

[Barewolf]

barewolf - it's not a ghost. sleep easy. honestly. think of the billions of people who have lived and died on this lump of rock floating through space. why are we not constantly hounded by dead people? because there are no ghosts. sometimes things happen that you cannot explain there and then, but that does not mean it's a ghost. we don't live in medieval times anymore. forget about witches, curses and spirits. you'll do no good wandering about with such thoughts in your head.

get some personal interaction with someone (not via a computer screen). this sort of stuff is often experienced by people who spend a lot of time alone or just in the house - would this tie in with you over the last week or two? get yourself out down the pub with some mates or something. seriously, you'll see things differently.

I interact with lots of people, and my fiance also admits theres something in this house thats paranormal.

she is the one person who isnt mad, you would probably expect it off me with some things i come out with, but not this time.

i actually saw a figure in our lounge, i turned white, i will admit that i may have hallucinated, but i very much doubt it. if you lived here and saw the things i have witnessed then your only rational response is that it must be a ghost

anyway, im going to set my camcorder up to see if i can catch anything on video, but it isnt easy because its not like it advertises when its going to appear.

[Russ]

Anyone who believes in ghosts, have a read of Derren Brown's Tricks of the Mind - you'll be safely cured in no time.

[idi banashapan]

I interact with lots of people, and my fiance also admits theres something in this house thats paranormal.

she is the one person who isnt mad, you would probably expect it off me with some things i come out with, but not this time.

i actually saw a figure in our lounge, i turned white, i will admit that i may have hallucinated, but i very much doubt it. if you lived here and saw the things i have witnessed then your only rational response is that it must be a ghost

anyway, im going to set my camcorder up to see if i can catch anything on video, but it isnt easy because its not like it advertises when its going to appear.

ok. good luck.

[Barewolf]

so what other things have happened?

Appart from the dog getting touched..

My grandaughter staring and laughing at something which could be explained away as wind, but it seems weird.

then the cats staring at the wall, again this could be explained away

then a 16ft wooden plank moved in the garden on its own, theres no way that could have been moved by the cat or dog, or by wind.

then you have little things at night like noises, they can probably be explained away also.

one thing that cant is a figure in the lounge, either i am losing the plot or the house is haunted, and i dont think im going nuts.

[Damien]

Barewolf. Ghosts don't exist, you can relax. Your mind is playing tricks on you and once you convince yourself of something you brain will fabricate patterns which are not there. If you were not looking for a ghost all of the incidents you described would have been dismissed.

You mention you have a cat. Cats are cunning and weird. It's probably the cat.

[Barewolf]

Anyone who believes in ghosts, have a read of Derren Brown's Tricks of the Mind - you'll be safely cured in no time.

i love darren brown, but there are some things that cant be explained, you have to keep an open mind.

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Barewolf. Ghosts don't exist, you can relax. Your mind is playing tricks on you and once you convince yourself of something you brain will fabricate patterns which are not there. If you were not looking for a ghost all of the incidents you described would have been dismissed.


are you saying theres no possibility of a ghost? seriously?

[Damien]

i love darren brown, but there are some things that cant be explained, you have to keep an open mind.

Your not keeping an open mind. You have decided it's a ghost and taken the least likely option. When something cannot be explained it doesn't help to invent a new explanation out of thin air. It's far more likely your cat has gone rogue than a ghost.

Open mind means your open to change your opinion on something when presented with evidence. Doesn't mean you should believe everything ;)

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are you saying theres no possibility of a ghost? seriously?

Yup. Ghost's don't exist. That's why despite all these ghost hunters no one has come up with any proof of them ;)

[Barewolf]

Your not keeping an open mind. You have decided it's a ghost and taken the least likely option. When something cannot be explained it doesn't help to invent a new explanation out of thin air. It's far more likely your cat has gone rogue than a ghost.

Open mind means your open to change your opinion on something when presented with evidence. Doesn't mean you should believe everything ;)

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Yup.

how can my cat change into a figure of a human? i saw that so i know it wasnt my cat.

and how can a cat move a 40lb plank of wood?

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Your not keeping an open mind. You have decided it's a ghost and taken the least likely option. When something cannot be explained it doesn't help to invent a new explanation out of thin air. It's far more likely your cat has gone rogue than a ghost.

Open mind means your open to change your opinion on something when presented with evidence. Doesn't mean you should believe everything ;)

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Yup. Ghost's don't exist. That's why despite all these ghost hunters no one has come up with any proof of them ;)

and if you lived here for 3 weeks you would believe me, i didnt believe in ghosts either

[Maggy]

Appart from the dog getting touched..

My grandaughter staring and laughing at something which could be explained away as wind, but it seems weird.

then the cats staring at the wall, again this could be explained away

then a 16ft wooden plank moved in the garden on its own, theres no way that could have been moved by the cat or dog, or by wind.

then you have little things at night like noises, they can probably be explained away also.

one thing that cant is a figure in the lounge, either i am losing the plot or the house is haunted, and i dont think im going nuts.

You have a granddaughter at 36?:confused:

[Mr_love_monkey]

Your not keeping an open mind.


Yup. Ghost's don't exist.

Surely these 2 statements contradict each other?

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You have a granddaughter at 36?:confused:

I was just going to ask the same thing.

[Barewolf]

You have a granddaughter at 36?:confused:

yeah, its my partners daughters daughter. not actually my grandaughter by blood but shes still my grandaughter.

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anyway its not technically impossible that ghosts dont exist, alot of people in this thread have shared experiences, you cant dismiss them all.

how would you explain what john edwards does? have you watched his program? that guys freaky.

[idi banashapan]

how can my cat change into a figure of a human? i saw that so i know it wasnt my cat.

and how can a cat move a 40lb plank of wood?



What?? lol. you really need to get out more by the sounds of it. all the same, let's try and answer those 2 questions...

1) it wasn't your cat

2) it wasn't your cat

ghost mystery solved. oh my word. honestly. i've heard some odd stuff in my time, but cats turning into people.... lol. it's like a scene out of Moonwalker

[Barewolf]

How does a 36 year old man have a granddaughter?

my fiance's daughters daughter, besides, its not impossible for a 36 year old to have a grandaughter.

If i had a kid at 15, and my kid had a kid at 15 i could be a grandfather at 30.

People seem more suprised at me being a grandad than the ghost we have, lol, wtf?

[Damien]

anyway its not technically impossible that ghosts dont exist, alot of people in this thread have shared experiences, you cant dismiss them all.


Can and have. The minds play tricks on you, and you see pattens that are not there because that's what your brain does. Establish patterns.

how would you explain what john edwards does? have you watched his program? that guys freaky.

He has found a way to dupe people and make money.

[idi banashapan]

People seem more suprised at me being a grandad than the ghost we have, lol, wtf?

that's because most people know that ghosts don't exist, but that being a grandad at 36 is a very rare and scary thing to see. :)

[Barewolf]

What?? lol. you really need to get out more by the sounds of it. all the same, let's try and answer those 2 questions...

1) it wasn't your cat

2) it wasn't your cat

ghost mystery solved. oh my word. honestly. i've heard some odd stuff in my time, but cats turning into people.... lol

how can you say i need to get out more when you dont know me, are you saying my partner needs to get out more as well? she knows theres something haunting this house and she isnt mad, neither am i

id love it to prove you wrong and show you theres something haunting this house but i doubt i can prove it.

i just hope one day you experience something similar

[Damien]

I really think it was the cat.

[Barewolf]

that's because most people know that ghosts don't exist, but that being a grandad at 36 is a very rare and scary thing to see. :)


i dont think its rare, im gonna be a grandad again in february so it aint that rare.

and maybe ghosts dont exist in your world but theres something in our house, and if it isnt a ghost then what is it? you seem very sure its not a ghost.

[danielf]

I think it was the GF pretending to be the cat.

[Barewolf]

I really think it was the cat.

i can test the cat theory, my cat probably weighs 2kg and that plank of wood is at least 12kg, im guessing, how could a cat physically move something 12 times its weight?

[Damien]

and maybe ghosts dont exist in your world but theres something in our house, and if it isnt a ghost then what is it? you seem very sure its not a ghost.

It's nothing. You have already pointed out most of the 'events' can be explained a way and dismissed. Even if they couldn't it takes quite a leap to think that your the victim of a bored ghosts' pranks! Rather than a more likely and scientific explanation.

or it was the cat.

[Barewolf]

I think it was the GF pretending to be the cat.

i can certainly say she doesnt wander round meowing and wagging her tail so it wasnt her

[Damien]

i can test the cat theory, my cat probably weighs 2kg and that plank of wood is at least 12kg, im guessing, how could a cat physically move something 12 times its weight?

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/funny-pictures-kitteh-rule.jpg

Cats are weird

[idi banashapan]

how can you say i need to get out more when you dont know me, are you saying my partner needs to get out more as well? she knows theres something haunting this house and she isnt mad, neither am i

id love it to prove you wrong and show you theres something haunting this house but i doubt i can prove it.

i just hope one day you experience something similar

I'm sure we've all experienced strange things in our time. the difference is that I imagine most people will look for a logical reason before blaming ghosts.

and you're right, I don't know you or your GF. it was a figure of speech and not meant to be taken literally.

as for the proof, I agree - I very much doubt that you'll get anything conclusive. you'd make an awful lot of money if you did get something undisputable though. so as I said before, good luck.

on a very serious note though, I do think you should take a step back and think about what you have been saying, just to get a relative stance on the logic and train of thought you are following. do you HONESTLY think that this spinning rock we call home is occupied by spirits - invisible, vapours with thought processes that want to play tricks on the living? you think that once our bodies give up, something pops out of them and hangs about turning cats into people and moving wood around? why would they do that? seriously? have they nothing better to do?

[Barewolf]

It's nothing. You have already pointed out most of the 'events' can be explained a way and dismissed. Even if they couldn't it takes quite a leap to think that your the victim of a bored ghosts' pranks! Rather than a more likely and scientific explanation.

or it was the cat.

ok i admit most things can be explained with science, however.............

what did i see in our lounge?

i could admit the possibility im going mad, perhaps i hallucinated, but i already said i doubt it when you consider the other stuff thats been happening.

my stepdaughter isnt mad and shes been touched on her head a few times, my fiance has witnessed what ive witnessed also.

i wonder how many sceptic posters are actually religious? just a thought.

[idi banashapan]

i dont think its rare, im gonna be a grandad again in february so it aint that rare.
maybe not to you, but generally, statistically, it is

and maybe ghosts dont exist in your world but theres something in our house, and if it isnt a ghost then what is it? you seem very sure its not a ghost.

and you seem very sure that it is. why do you think it IS a ghost? because you can't explain it? is that reason enough to think it's a spooky thing?

[danielf]

i dont think its rare, im gonna be a grandad again in february so it aint that rare.



yeah, its my partners daughters daughter. not actually my grandaughter by blood but shes still my grandaughter.

So it's just that your partner is quite a bit older than you, and you consider yourself grandfather to her offspring?

[Barewolf]

I'm sure we've all experienced strange things in our time. the difference is that I imagine most people will look for a logical reason before blaming ghosts.

and you're right, I don't know you or your GF. it was a figure of speech and not meant to be taken literally.

as for the proof, I agree - I very much doubt that you'll get anything conclusive. you'd make an awful lot of money if you did get something undisputable though. so as I said before, good luck.

on a very serious note though, I do think you should take a step back and think about what you have been saying, just to get a relative stance on the logic and train of thought you are following. do you HONESTLY think that this spinning rock we call home is occupied by spirits - invisible, vapours with thought processes that want to play tricks on the living? you think that once our bodies give up, something pops out of them and hangs about turning cats into people and moving wood around? why would they do that? seriously? have they nothing better to do?

omg bana have you even read my other posts?

i never said a ghost turned my cat into a person.

from what ive read a ghost is energy, so its possible it could have moved that plank, maybe it didnt move it on purpose, i dont know, i didnt ask it.

i really dont know why my cats involved :erm: who started saying this was my cat?

anyway, i know im not going to get a video of this ghost but perhaps we can get some kind of evidence.

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So it's just that your partner is quite a bit older than you, and you consider yourself grandfather to her offspring?

did you get out of bed the wrong side today or you trying to wind me up?

what else would i refer to her as?

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maybe not to you, but generally, statistically, it is



and you seem very sure that it is. why do you think it IS a ghost? because you can't explain it? is that reason enough to think it's a spooky thing?


well a ghost is the only thing i can say it is, i dunno what else you could say it is, and no, its not my cat

[idi banashapan]

omg bana have you even read my other posts?

i never said a ghost turned my cat into a person.

from what ive read a ghost is energy, so its possible it could have moved that plank, maybe it didnt move it on purpose, i dont know, i didnt ask iti really dont know why my cats involved :erm: who started saying this was my cat?

did I read this wrong? I'm willing to accept i did, which is probable!...

how can my cat change into a figure of a human? i saw that so i know it wasnt my cat.

and how can a cat move a 40lb plank of wood?


what you've read on 'ghost energy'??? this is getting more ridiculous by the minute in my opinion. funny though. I am 'lol'ing! you really really need to get this ghost thing out of your head before it properly screws you up



anyway, i know im not going to get a video of this ghost but perhaps we can get some kind of evidence.


why do you think you're not going to get a video of the ghost?

[danielf]

did you get out of bed the wrong side today or you trying to wind me up?

what else would i refer to her as?


Nope. Got out of bed as usual.

May I ask how old the gf is?

[idi banashapan]

Nope. Got out of bed as usual.

May I ask how old the gf is?

37

[Barewolf]

what you've read on 'ghost energy'??? this is getting more ridiculous by the minute in my opinion. funny though. I am 'lol'ing! you really really need to get this ghost thing out of your head before it properly screws you up

Im being light hearted about it, if you knew me you would know that, however i am serious about this "Ghost", perhaps it isnt a ghost i really dont know, but from what i have read online, ghosts are energy.

it wont screw me up because im not letting it bother me to the point where it would screw me up.



did I read this wrong?...



no, did i?







why are you not going to get a video of the ghost?

as i said im being light hearted about it, lets face it, i aint going to capture it on video, so theres no point trying. the reason i want to get some investigation into the matter is to see if anyone can capture any scientific evidence. IE; temp readings, perhaps research the history of the property etc

you never know though they might capture something on video, whos to say? very unlikely but its not impossible

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37

she looks 27 but youre wrong, see..you dont know everything after all

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Nope. Got out of bed as usual.

May I ask how old the gf is?

does it matter? shes older than me but looks younger than me

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im about to set up my camera in the lounge, so if i do capture anything i will youtube it

[idi banashapan]

i was joking about her age btw, in light of earlier conversation about you being a grandad at 36, but they're not your grandchildren, but hers because she is older... and stuff. :)

[Barewolf]

i was joking about her age btw, in light of earlier conversation about you being a grandad at 36, but they're not your grandchildren, but hers because she is older... and stuff. :)

im not offended, but i cant refer to my "stepdaughters daughter" in any other way than my "grandaughter" i dont know what else i could call her.

I suppose i could say step grandaughter, but who actually says that?

[adzii_nufc]

Am I going to be the first to say.

IT IS impossible.

Looks like Paranormal Activity 3 is getting an early release.



Ghosts come in one form – that just happens to be human - which is conveniently what we bipedal-chimps want to see, and not say a dead cow hovering at the end of ones bed. Have you ever heard of the legend of oceans being haunted by ghostly plankton?

Purportedly ghosts have the ‘magical’ capabilities to travel through walls, levitate etc. Powers they didn’t have when they were alive. They move objects all the time – but never get behind the wheels of a car and drive, type a letter on a computer or light-up a Bensons and Hedges. When it comes to interacting with humans all ghosts want to do is scare the **** out of the living in the dead of night or flash their tits at us in photos. Aimless activity, no-one has been able to detect with any surety.

Ghosts love hotels and pubs. When you die you head immediately to ‘your local’ for a pint. How else could you explain the disproportionately high number of pubs that are haunted? And it’s always old pubs that act as magnets to the living dead, rather than a Five Star Hilton

Seeing that potentially we living-humans share the planet with 60 billion spirits, comprising all of humanities dead – where do these hordes of living-dead spend their time? I mean where do they live? Caves? The bottom of the ocean? The stratosphere? Six to a house?

Last but not least – there is not a shred of evidence

Any chance of a carbon monoxide leak in your house?

[AdamD]

Last but not least – there is not a shred of evidence

I used to think and say the same thing when people asked why I didn't believe in god, but at that time in my life, I was young and rather close minded to anything that there wasn't undeniable proof of.

I'm glad I grew up and became more open minded about things. ;)

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Barewolf. Ghosts don't exist, you can relax.

I don't think it's appropriate to claim your opinion as fact.

Just because you don't believe, or haven't witnessed something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Ghosts do exist, l have seen one and there is one in my house, and has been for 20 years and she drives us nuts.

We have called in priests everything, we even called Living Tv, but they didn't get back to us, so there crap, and don't watch it anymore.

It was a woman who hanged herself on the stairs, our dog saw the ghost and tried desperately to get it out, but it won't budge, we often see things going on, but we are so used to it now,

But the other ghost l drive through in Oxford, very near Cumley le Stanley, l was driving home from work with a mate and he shouted 'arth stop' l went through it, and it looked human, it was an old man with a dog, and l heard a thump, stopped, and couldn't see anything, called the police, and explained what happened.

He stated that it happens every year on a certain date.

It was creepy.

[Damien]

I don't think it's appropriate to claim your opinion as fact.

Just because you don't believe, or haven't witnessed something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Belief and even witnessing is not evidence.

For a ghost to exist, to have an affect on something, to be seen, they need to be physically there. If they are physically there then we would have measured their existence already. Especially as according to 'witnesses' they don't make a big deal of keeping out of the way, they seem to delight in spending their time playing pranks on the living.

They don't exist - You can't prove something doesn't exist with 100% confidence because you can't prove a negative. Just like I cannot prove with 100% proof that we're not in the Matrix, or governed by a society of robot elders, or that the royal family are a legion of shapeshifting lizards.

Ghosts have their origin in storytelling. You might as well believe Vampires exist. Same thing.

[idi banashapan]

personal experience is subjective. sometimes an experience can seem like something it is not. take, for example, something I'm sure most of us have experienced - falling in a dream. it feels like we're falling, but in reality, we are not. that's not to say one didn't believe at the time one was falling, but that does not mean one actually was.

experience and belief are very closely tied in our minds, but to have one does not mean the other is necessarily the truth. the brain works in such a way that it will try to fill in gaps of an experience by using pieces of knowledge acquired through past experiences during one's own life. if one experiences something that the brain either cannot process completely, or even if it's a simple case that the surrounding circumstances are unknown to the individual, the creative brain takes over.

in this case, Barewolf has seen things that his mind cannot piece together in a logical fashion because his experience of an event does not include part or parts of the scenario in whole. his mind has gone back through all knowledge it has acquired to find something it knows about that can 'explain' how his experience happened. for him, ghosts filled the gaps. reading books, seeing films, hearing stories. we have all been subjected to 'strange things going bump in the night' stories. but that does not mean what Barewolf experienced was a ghost. more likely is that some of the story was missing from what he experienced and it was completed by refering to these ideas.

consider this for instance - my car keys. I come home and I put them down on a table in the livingroom. later, I come back and they have gone. my experience is that no one else is in the house. I was in the shower. there's no wind in my livingroom. how did they move? a ghost? perhaps. but what I didn't know is that whilst I was in the shower, my gf comes back home and needs the sat-nav from my car. she picks up my keys and goes to my car to get it. comes back in and puts my keys on the table in the hallway. just because I didn't experience a logical explaination as to how they moved, does not mean that there wasn't one. without knowing she had come back, it would certain be described as spooky and paranormal, but in fact, it is not.

as already stated in this thread, there are lots of stories about ghosts, but no, indisputable, measurable, solid evidence that ghosts exist. it's not even something that can be made to seem probably using equations or statistics. everything we know about ghosts is based on personal experience and beliefs, not necessarily the truth. I don;t deny it may well feel very true to the one experiencing the event, but that truth is subjective and not necessarily actual. very different things.

ghosts may well be real, but until proven without any doubt, I'm more inclined to think there is a logical and far more physical explaination to the events you describe.

[denphone]

Can you prove there are not ghost's.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I believe that the paranormal is something that people should not mess with.

I have been in houses that have been haunted and scares the life out of you, l was ina certain famous building in London, and there were only two of us working there, but we both could clearly hear voices and movement, and when we went to the loo, l clearly heards footsteps and noises behind me

My message to people who use 'weeji boards' what ever they are called is DON'T, that can bering some nasty experiences.

[idi banashapan]

Can you prove there are not ghost's.

proving there are not, up to this point, has been far more commonplace than proving there are. don't forget, for Barewolf, he truly believes there is a ghost because of his experience, which is fine. but that does not mean there IS a ghost. different things. subjective belief and actual truth.

[Welshchris]

im not offended, but i cant refer to my "stepdaughters daughter" in any other way than my "grandaughter" i dont know what else i could call her.

I suppose i could say step grandaughter, but who actually says that?

one thing u could try one night.

Get a few friends and family around for a Guiness, Baked Bean and Vindaloo party see if that will shift them from the house :D

[LSainsbury]

I believe that the paranormal is something that people should not mess with.

I thought that was the moderators of this forum? :cool:

[tosh mate]

My house and other's in my street are supposedly haunted by monk's,
as a local chapel had a 'priest run' (tunnel) running from it to a monastery about 11 mile's away.

[idi banashapan]

My message to people who use 'weeji boards' what ever they are called is DON'T, that can bering some nasty experiences.

'Ouija' boards are only board games made by Parker. they were never designed to 'contact the dead'. you can blame 'The Exorsist' for that. it's just a game.

[Damien]

Love how many of these 'paranormal' beliefs are concepts which originated in fiction.

[tosh mate]

Love how many of these 'paranormal' beliefs are concepts which originated in fiction.

A lot of thing's are 'Born' of fiction not just 'paranormal' belief's

[Damien]

A lot of thing's are 'Born' of fiction not just 'paranormal' belief's

Yes but few seem to enter peoples' beliefs quite like the Paranormal does.

[tosh mate]

Yes but few seem to enter peoples' beliefs quite like the Paranormal does.

Maybe so, but We all have a belief in something.

[AdamD]

Belief and even witnessing is not evidence.

For a ghost to exist, to have an affect on something, to be seen, they need to be physically there. If they are physically there then we would have measured their existence already.

Can you measure Love?
Can you measure the bond between a mother or father and their child?

Just because something can't be measured, or probed in a lab, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Damien]

Can you measure Love?
Can you measure the bond between a mother or father and their child?

Just because something can't be measured, or probed in a lab, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

We know these are emotions and while we cannot explain everything about the brain we can measure emotional reaction and watch sections of the brain react to such measures. I.E We can measure the brain reacting when you mention to someone the name of the person they love. Also the bond between a parent and child is an observable reaction in humanity and other animals - from an evolutionary perspective these emotions are key to the development of most species.

Ghosts are not physically possible. They both float though walls and let can make items move. Therefore they must be composed of some magical elements which can both be pretty much nothing and yet exert physical force. Not a small trick.

There is no proof. As I mentioned above you might as well be arguing for the existence of vampires or shapeshifting lizards.

And yes, just because something can't be measured in the lab doesn't mean it does exist. Science isn't just about lab work. It's about removing human bias from a theory in order to learn something new about the Universe. We could conduct other experiments to at least lend some evidence for ghosts. We could go to a location famed for it's ghosts and see if there is a lot of unexplained stuff happening.

If ghosts exist and are actually having a physical effect on the world then we could certainly find out about it.

[Welshchris]

Can you measure Love?
Can you measure the bond between a mother or father and their child?

Just because something can't be measured, or probed in a lab, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Can u measure love?

Women tend to think the bigger the better :-x

[denphone]

Maybe so, but We all have a belief in something.

Do you believe in life after death.

[Stuart]

Ghosts are not physically possible. They both float though walls and let can make items move. Therefore they must be composed of some magical elements which can both be pretty much nothing and yet exert physical force. Not a small trick.


Ghosts are not possible according to our current understanding of physics. That does not mean they are impossible. 200 years ago, it was impossible for man to fly. Before that, it was impossible that the world wasn't flat. We now know that neither is true.


There is no proof. As I mentioned above you might as well be arguing for the existence of vampires or shapeshifting lizards.

And yes, just because something can't be measured in the lab doesn't mean it does exist. Science isn't just about lab work. It's about removing human bias from a theory in order to learn something new about the Universe. We could conduct other experiments to at least lend some evidence for ghosts. We could go to a location famed for it's ghosts and see if there is a lot of unexplained stuff happening.

If ghosts exist and are actually having a physical effect on the world then we could certainly find out about it.

We could. Do I believe in ghosts? Yes and no. I seek proof, so I am open to the possibility they do exist. I have even experienced things that could be considered ghosts. In my case, however, a lot of what I have experienced could be caused by other things.

Even if they do exist they could be caused by an interaction between the brain of the watcher and something in the environment. That is speculation on my part, and while it doesn't explain how ghosts move things, it could explain why we can't record proof.

I do find it interesting that people who are certain that God exists are also certain that ghosts don't..

[Damien]

Ghosts are not possible according to our current understanding of physics. That does not mean they are impossible. 200 years ago, it was impossible for man to fly. Before that, it was impossible that the world wasn't flat. We now know that neither is true.

They are only not 'impossible' in the way anything isn't 'impossible'. That is if we discover some new fundmental aspect of our universe it could be true. That is the same basis on which we 'could' be living inside a computer simulation.

I think things need more substance than that, which is why I am comfortable ruling out the existence of ghosts. I don't want to work on the assumption that everything should be considered until we categorically rule it out because such a task is impossible. When we start getting into changing the laws of the Universe then, indeed, anything is possible. Probably isn't though.

We could. Do I believe in ghosts? Yes and no. I seek proof, so I am open to the possibility they do exist. I have even experienced things that could be considered ghosts. In my case, however, a lot of what I have experienced could be caused by other things.


Certainly were caused by other things. The mind sees patterns where they do not exist. This is not pseudo-physiology, it's a known, documented and observed part of the mind. As an example when Stairway to Heaven is played backwards it's gibberish. When it's played backwards but you have the lryics suggested to you your mind hears those lyrics. It's a cool trick.

Even if they do exist they could be caused by an interaction between the brain of the watcher and something in the environment. That is speculation on my part, and while it doesn't explain how ghosts move things, it could explain why we can't record proof.


If they make a physical impact on the world and manifest themselves then proof shouldn't be hard. There are interacting with our world in a way that other paranormal entities to do not. They should be very easy to detect.

I do find it interesting that people who are certain that God exists are also certain that ghosts don't..

Well I don't think a god exists but I find a belief in god a far more rational belief than ghosts. There is a respected history and theology behind the major religions and, unlike ghosts, it doesn't matter if that theology is physically impossible because the concept of a god exists outside the universe.

[Barewolf]

Theres lots of things science cant explain. Take near death experiences for an example. Its about as close to this subject as you can get.

Ive read many cases that simply cant be explained away.

And scientists already have admitted that theres about 11 dimentions. Is it not equally possible that ghosts might occupy one of them?

How do you also explain dogs senses? They appear to see things we cant. Ive witnessed this first hand. I also once saw a documentary of a dog owner who had a camcorder set up to capture what his dog did when he was almost home. The Dog somehow knew his owner was on his way home, yet had no way of knowing.

I find it entirely plausible that animals can sense something we cant.

[Stephen]

Animals get used to when things happen, like patterns. My cats are always waiting by the door when I get home, due to it being at the same time almost every day.

I do think your mind may be playing tricks on you though.

[Barewolf]

Animals get used to when things happen, like patterns. My cats are always waiting by the door when I get home, due to it being at the same time almost every day.

I do think your mind may be playing tricks on you though.

and my dog knows when its 6pm as its when she gets dinner, but other things aside from the obvious cant easily be explained.

[AdamD]

Ghosts are not physically possible. They both float though walls and let can make items move. Therefore they must be composed of some magical elements which can both be pretty much nothing and yet exert physical force. Not a small trick.

There is no proof. As I mentioned above you might as well be arguing for the existence of vampires or shapeshifting lizards.

Is it safe to assume you don't believe in God? (That's just a question, not a criticism :P heh)

[idi banashapan]

Theres lots of things science cant explain. Take near death experiences for an example. Its about as close to this subject as you can get.

Ive read many cases that simply cant be explained away.

And scientists already have admitted that theres about 11 dimentions. Is it not equally possible that ghosts might occupy one of them?

How do you also explain dogs senses? They appear to see things we cant. Ive witnessed this first hand. I also once saw a documentary of a dog owner who had a camcorder set up to capture what his dog did when he was almost home. The Dog somehow knew his owner was on his way home, yet had no way of knowing.

I find it entirely plausible that animals can sense something we cant.

Near death experiences are believed to be products of huge releases of DMT in the brain (forgive me - I can't remember what it stands for and I can't be bothered to google it :) ). If i remember correctly, I think it's the Pineal Gland that releases it. there is a newer theory which points at the Sensory Autonomic System trying to find an experience that the person has had to attribute to the feeling of dying (the brain going back over previous experiences to relate to a current experience is something I talked about earlier in this thread).

as for dogs knowing when owners are coming home - well there are a couple of things I can think of off the top of my head to explain it;
1) as with most if not all living creatures, dogs have a body clock. if an event becomes routine, the dog will learn when certain things are due to happen. like the owner coming home.
2) dogs have a much better hearing system than us. the dog knows before I do that my gf has come home because she hears her car pulling up at the garage. this tends to be my cue to put the kettle on if I'm already home!!

so as you see, things can be explained with relative easy in this day and age. not everything, of course. but taking a step back and thinking about events logically will far more often than not lead to and explainable sequence of events leading to situation experienced.

i know that everyone has right to believe in whatever they want, be it God, ghosts or goblins. I'm certainly never going to tell people they cannot believe in something (or indeed, that they should). however, if it appears obvious that a belief is having a negative effect on someone, then to present them with a logical, more physical and (imo) more likely explaination of something that is troubling them, in order to calm nerves and / or relieve upset, then I will gladly do that. I feel this is one of those times.

[Gary L]

as for dogs knowing when owners are coming home - well there are a couple of things I can think of off the top of my head to explain it;
1) as with most if not all living creatures, dogs have a body clock. if an event becomes routine, the dog will learn when certain things are due to happen. like the owner coming home.
2) dogs have a much better hearing system than us. the dog knows before I do that my gf has come home because she hears her car pulling up at the garage. this tends to be my cue to put the kettle on if I'm already home!!

3) They can read the time on the clock.

[idi banashapan]

3) They can read the time on the clock.

that too, but I thought that was too obvious. everyone knows they can read the time.

[Damien]

Theres lots of things science cant explain. Take near death experiences for an example. Its about as close to this subject as you can get.

idi banashapan explained the near death experiences thing well enough here (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/22/33678566-ghosts-page-8.html).

Near death experiences are believed to be products of huge releases of DMT in the brain (forgive me - I can't remember what it stands for and I can't be bothered to google it :) ). If i remember correctly, I think it's the Pineal Gland that releases it. there is a newer theory which points at the Sensory Autonomic System trying to find an experience that the person has had to attribute to the feeling of dying (the brain going back over previous experiences to relate to a current experience is something I talked about earlier in this thread).



How do you also explain dogs senses? They appear to see things we cant. Ive witnessed this first hand. I also once saw a documentary of a dog owner who had a camcorder set up to capture what his dog did when he was almost home. The Dog somehow knew his owner was on his way home, yet had no way of knowing.

Yes. This case did happen. Coincidently I have recently read a book which mentions it. The great thing about that kind of incident is that it's easy to test. DR Richard Wiseman who wrote the book Paranormality (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Paranormality-Why-what-isnt-there/dp/0230752985/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307892222&sr=8-1) did a test on this dog, i'll quote the relevant passage that explains that it was not quite what it seemed:

During the first test Matthew and Pan drove to a public house about 8 miles away and, once there, used a random number generator to select a time to head back - 9 p.m. Meanwhile, I continuously filmed Jaytee's [the dog] favorite window so that we would have a complete record of his behavior there. When Pam and Matt returned from the bar we rewound the film and observed Jaytee's behaviour. Interestingly, the terrier was at the window at the allotted time. So far, so good.

However, when we looked at the remainder of the film, Jaytee's apparent skills started to unravel. It turned out that he was something of a fan of the window, visiting it 13 times during the experiment. During a second trail the following day, Jaytee visited the window 12 times. It seemed his time in the window was not the clear cut signal that the clip from Austrian television suggested.

[Barewolf]

so how do you explain a woman who actually explained what the doctors were listening to on the radio while she had no actual brain activity, she was clinicly dead? yet she managed to tell afterwards even what tools they used on her to operate, and even their conversations.

this type of instance cant be explained by science and raises a lot of questions.

Another instance was of a man who died, and visited his wife, then his neigbour, while in this NDE state. His neigbour had a child who was constantly crying, and he could communicate with the child who somehow explained its arm was hurt, and the guy somehow saw it was twisted and broken.

When he came out of this NDE, he found out what he saw was true, and he told his neigbour of the childs arm which turned out to be broken.

Its all documented here http://www.near-death.com/

Look under the "Notable NDE" section, I forget the names of these two cases I just mentioned.

One thing is clear, that some NDE can be explained away but a majority cant. And that in the most famous cases, No brain activity means people should not experience anything, not even a hallucination.

People keep mentioning Science to explain everything, yet Science cant explain these cases.

So what else is left?

[idi banashapan]

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So what else is left?



a pinch of salt? not being funny, but I'm sure you don't believe everything you read in the newspaper, yet you appear to be taking these stories as gospel. seems odd. did you think, perhaps, that some of these stories may actually be just that - stories. fabrications of an individual or group of people in order to gain publicity or notoriety, perhaps? I think this thread is lending itself well to the theory that humans do tend to see what they want to see in things without taking the situation as a whole into account or giving reasonable thought to seek a conclusion.

sure, some things in life are odd and cannot be explained away immediately, either because of our level of understanding, or because all the facts are not present. it would be naive to think we as a species know everything and everything. but when things can be explained away through a logical thought process or physical fact, I think we would do well to agree that logic is the path to stick to. I'm sure there are some fascinating stories of NDE out there, but this thread is about you and your experience and belief thereof. you shouldn't really attribute thruth to your belief of your experience because you found a story or two on the internet regarding something completely different. it's like saying you know for a fact Santa exists because you heard a story about a 5 year old who got 20p for their tooth from the tooth fairy.

how do you know for a fact these stories you are reading are even true? who's to say some kid in his room didn't write them and stuck a few photos of randoms in there to add some kind of weak credibility to their blog? anyone could have written the stories. just because someone says it's true doesn't mean it is - especially when it's on the internet.

I think perhaps you may be trying to find something that will add support and weight to your own belief in the hope it will convince not only others, but also yourself wholeheartedly that what you experienced was a ghost. unfortunately, I do think it is misguided. instead of looking for pages that support your theory, search and read some where people have proven ghostly sightings or events were not all they appeared to be at first glance, as damien did previously. I understand your wish to believe it was a ghost, but I don't think it will come of any good to you or your family to do so. some beliefs, like God, serve to help some people and indeed do make the individual feel comforted and lend support. choosing to believe you have a poltergeist in your home is not going to do the same for you.

[Stephen]

Of course everything can be explained by logic and science.

Look back at the middle ages and other periods without much science. They thought people were witches and thought everything unexplained was down to evil and demons. Now we know that is not the case at all.

[Damien]

People keep mentioning Science to explain everything, yet Science cant explain these cases.

So what else is left?

You keep saying that and then we provide evidence that it can (NDE) or that the story was wrong (dog). So you ignore the development that actually a lot of these incidents are debunked and come up with new ones. Do you see a pattern here?

[adzii_nufc]

How is Paranormal Activity 3 coming along then?

[idi banashapan]

@barewolf - 9pm tonight on Quest. All about NDEs!!

[Pog66]

How is Paranormal Activity 3 coming along then?

Bearing in mind that Yvette Fielding has spent god knows how many years chasing round "haunted" buildings with the latest camera & video technology and, to date, has produced absolutely no tangible footage - I wouldn't hold your breath on that one!!

Although not any more apparently Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Haunted)

[idi banashapan]

any updates to this?

[Gary L]

My father experienced a poltergeist when he was young. his mother said to them all to get out of the house quick. all the furniture was flying and crashing around the room.

[joglynne]

any updates to this?

BW got married on Wednesday so I think we may have to wait for any updates. :)

[Barewolf]

BW got married on Wednesday so I think we may have to wait for any updates. :)

Indeed, were going on the honeymoon tomorrow so i have no plans for the ghostbuster team to come round till afterwards, but i will definately keep you updated to anything they find when we finally have them visit.

so far ive not seen anything unusual, although we have heard noises in the night, and the usual dog and cats noticing things that arent there.

[Sasha222]

The ghosts were probably excited about the up coming wedding :D

[Mr_love_monkey]

Indeed, were going on the honeymoon tomorrow


I guess the ghost won't be the only things going 'bump' in the night then :)

[Sasha222]

Ah do you feel left out :D:D:D:D

[Barewolf]

Well you never know, there might be ghosts where were staying. I hear Wales is a big area for Ghost activity

[Welshchris]

Which Part of Wales.

[danielf]

Wiki says it's 8,022 sq miles. So yeah. Big area...

[Sasha222]

For a minute there when I looked at the two bottom posts I thought I was on the wrong thread and was getting a geography lesson :D:D:D:D

[Barewolf]

going all over it, mostly brecon, and snowdonia. or should that be through it? anyway i have my camera so if i see anything ill be sure to capture it :P

[Sasha222]

Bring the ghosts on honeymoon with you :D:D:D

[idi banashapan]

Indeed, were going on the honeymoon tomorrow so i have no plans for the ghostbuster team to come round till afterwards, but i will definately keep you updated to anything they find when we finally have them visit.



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