View Full Version : Modem only or Modem/Router
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 21:41
Should virgin issue a standalone modem, which can be used with any router the user so chooses, or a combined modem/router, such as the superhub?
vote and discuss
this isnt a superhub hate thread btw I hope mods will enforce this, and at the same time it isnt a VMNG300 lover thread
So if it's neither a modem or superhub thread. What's the point as your question will involve a response featuring one or the other?
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 21:45
Iv chosen standalone modem for the simple reason that people want their own routing to be done professionally, they want a router that can run custom firmware, some also want to run directly into the modem, with no router in between
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So if it's neither a modem or superhub thread. What's the point as your question will involve a response featuring one or the other?
I said its not a superhub hater thread, or a VMNG300 lover thread.
I didnt want another argument about the number of people having problems with the superhub, or peoples love of the modem.
lets pretend that virgin media have sent out a customer response questionniare asking whether users want virgin to offer a standalone modem, or a combined router/modem for their new packages
If I were VM, I would have both, with an option for the customer - modem/router for those with "simpler" needs (on the whole), and a stand-alone router for those who wanted one.
I voted for modem/router, because it works for me (even though I have another modem/router upstairs plugged into the hub supplied).
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 21:48
If I were VM, I would have both, with an option for the customer - router/hub for those with "simpler" needs (on the whole), and a stand-alone router for those who wanted one.
that would be the perfect offering! although virgins point of view on the matter is that they want one device, to cut down on staff training etc. so it would be one or the other :(
pip08456
18-05-2011, 21:50
So if it's neither a modem or superhub thread. What's the point as your question will involve a response featuring one or the other?
Smart choice of words - not. The OP said it is not a superhub hate thread nor a VMNG300 lovers thread which is totally different to what you are implying
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 21:53
the thread also implies that either device would be fully functioning
Chrysalis
18-05-2011, 21:53
you missed the option for both craig, I voted but I feel its an incomplete poll.
Craig, would you like me to add a third option?
Chrysalis
18-05-2011, 21:55
Craig, would you like me to add a third option?
if you do can you cancel my vote so I can recast?
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 21:56
Craig, would you like me to add a third option?
yes please. is there any way of resetting the pole so everyone can vote again?
zekeisaszekedoes
18-05-2011, 21:56
I voted standalone modem because VM keep messing up their combi CPEs, which is a shame because I like the idea of both in one unit especially if it has a working bridge mode so the end user might have a choice.
Third time lucky perhaps?
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 21:57
I voted standalone modem because VM keep messing up their combi CPEs, which is a shame because I like the idea of both in one unit especially if it has a working bridge mode so the end user might have a choice.
Third time lucky perhaps?
I did say that this was on the presumption that both devices were fully working
Unfortunately, I can't reset votes.
zekeisaszekedoes
18-05-2011, 21:58
I did say that this was on the presumption that both devices were fully working
That post appeared after I'd made mine.
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 21:59
That post appeared after I'd made mine.
oh sorry :D
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Unfortunately, I can't reset votes.
ah well never mind, my bad
pip08456
18-05-2011, 21:59
the thread also implies that either device would be fully functioning
Well as the Superhub isn't fully functioning for a number of people...........
I voted for modem as it preserves customer choice and needs. As far as I'm concerned all any ISP has to do is supply the connection to one PC via a modem.
What's the point of supplying wireless routers/hubs if they won't (or rather can't) give wireless support. I don't know of any ISP that does or will and rightly so due to the huge inconsitancies in a given premesis.
Chrysalis
18-05-2011, 21:59
ok then for my recast take one of the standalone and add to both result. :)
The idea is a good one for a combi unit but they should never have rolled it out so forcefully as the only option, that was the big mistake.
Chrysalis
18-05-2011, 22:00
Well as the POS isn't fully functioning for a number of people...........
I voted for modem as it preserves customer choice and needs. As far as I'm concerned all any ISP has to do is supply the connection to one PC via a modem.
What's the point of supplying wireless routers/hubs if they won't (or rather can't) give wireless support. I don't know of any ISP that does or will and rightly so due to the huge inconsitancies in a given premesis.
this is a very good point, isp's are trying to do too much these days.
supplying security software, custom routers etc. Ultimately all they should do is supply a connection to a single modem and thats it.
pip08456
18-05-2011, 22:03
Want to recast your vote again Chrys?
Chrysalis
18-05-2011, 22:11
nah I will stick to both. I think there is little harm if the end user can at least choose the modem.
The ideal situation would probably be modem supplied as part of service or for extra optional small fee to all in one device sold under the guise its cheaper for the user than to go out and buy one and its a device that VM will support. Common sense, everyone is happy and more cost effective.
pip08456
18-05-2011, 22:14
That would seem reasonable IMHO
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 22:15
nah I will stick to both. I think there is little harm if the end user can at least choose the modem.
The ideal situation would probably be modem supplied as part of service or for extra optional small fee to all in one device sold under the guise its cheaper for the user than to go out and buy one and its a device that VM will support. Common sense, everyone is happy and more cost effective.
if there was a standalone option, I would be upgrading to 100mb, as there isnt its 50 for me
Voted for superhub had mine since December with no problems
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 22:24
Voted for superhub had mine since December with no problems
there is no option for superhub
pip08456
18-05-2011, 22:25
there is no option for superhub
I think he means modem/router combined. That's what the POS is anyway.
there is no option for superhub
Is Modem/Router combined not the superhub
I'd say they should have a modem router combo with bridge mode, I'd say 90% of customers would be happy with that and the others can use bridge mode. I suppose that way they can MAss produce them. Hopefully they bring out a v2
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 22:28
Is Modem/Router combined not the superhub
the option in the vote is for whether VM should supply a modem/router combined or a standalone modem, in theory, not a choice from the equipment they already supply, more of a generalisation
pip08456
18-05-2011, 22:29
Pity they didn't think of that in the beginnig JB, there would be no calling it derogatory juvinile names then would there.
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 22:29
I'd say they should have a modem router combo with bridge mode, I'd say 90% of customers would be happy with that and the others can use bridge mode. I suppose that way they can MAss produce them. Hopefully they bring out a v2
well i wouldnt want a big router which doesnt do any routing, id rather have a smaller modem, with a separate router alongside
there is a new superhub coming along, but its identical, the only difference being that its from another vendor
Well you will be able to use the Superhub as a standalone modem once the firmware is on offer apart from that the will not be an option for a another modem to be supplied as the is already a lot of money invested in the hubs.
Right got it now , still would like modem/router combined.
:dunce:
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 22:33
Well you will be able to use the Superhub as a standalone modem once the firmware is on offer apart from that the will not be an option for a another modem to be supplied as the is already a lot of money invested in the hubs.
im not richard branston in disguise, im not planning putting a proposal to VM asking them to bring out a new modem, im only asking what people would prefer
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Right got it now , still would like modem/router combined.
:dunce:
sorry, it wasnt very well explained, but yeah, for basic needs, a cheap modem/router combined is probably a good option
pip08456
18-05-2011, 22:33
Right got it now , still would like modem/router combined.
:dunce:
That's what you will have. To use it as a modem only is up to you.
im not richard branston in disguise, im not planning putting a proposal to VM asking them to bring out a new modem, im only asking what people would prefer
I know that but soon enough we will have modem mode and this thread will no longer be needed.
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 22:56
I know that but soon enough we will have modem mode and this thread will no longer be needed.
thats providing the modem mode works, which im sure it will, the programmers for netgear are more than capable of producing a good piece of firmware
and id rather have a smaller device, like the VMNG than the superhub if it is acting as a standalone modem, as it defeats the object if you have two bigger sized routers sat next to eachother
I know that but soon enough we will have modem mode and this thread will no longer be needed.
I'm first in line to try the other vendor one
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 23:06
I'm first in line to try the other vendor one
being a tech, you will probably have one in your van, but as the netgear and the unknown other vendor will be mixed in, its going to be pot luck as to what us commoners get
I'm first in line to try the other vendor one
Not sure how you will tell the difference, probably by MAC address I expect as it will not have the brand externally.
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 23:08
Not sure how you will tell the difference, probably by MAC address I expect as it will not have the brand externally.
well I doubt it will say "Netgear" on the back as the current one does, so that will be one way to tell ;)
I imagine it would be cisco, seem to have a good relationship with vm and the TiVo isn't bad for 1st attempt.
I imagine it would be cisco, seem to have a good relationship with vm and the TiVo isn't bad for 1st attempt.
Computer says no, not a single guess has been anywhere near so it will be a surprise.
I cannot say anything more though so do not ask.
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 23:14
i also know who it is ;)
i also know who it is ;)
Doubtful.:)
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 23:18
Doubtful.:)
honestly
Return of the motarola! Eeeekkk
honestly
Well whoever did tell you should not have as they could get in trouble as it is business sensitive information for which they can be sacked.
So hopefully you were just yanking my chain.:D
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Return of the motarola! Eeeekkk
They do some nice kit and so do Cisco with combined wifi.
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 23:27
Well whoever did tell you should not have as they could get in trouble as it is business sensitive information for which they can be sacked.
i do know, im under oath
If anyone should know it should be me! I'll place my money on cisco
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 23:29
If anyone should know it should be me! I'll place my money on cisco
why should you know?
If anyone should know it should be me! I'll place my money on cisco
Easy money but I do not like to take it from you.:D
craigj2k12
18-05-2011, 23:58
To give me hope.....
:D
I like to have a choice, so went for.. "The option of either standalone modem or combined modem/router"
Any choice is better than Hobson's choice.
BTW, it won't be Cisco. ;)
JonM1988
19-05-2011, 02:05
I think there should def be the option for both of them, I personally havnt had an expierence with the Superhub yet, but I think when I upgrade to the 100MB I will. IM not too thrilled about it so going to try and keep my original modem/router I was supplied with too when I got the 50mb in.
I voted for "the option", but I'd accept having that option within a single device. No manufacturer will be able to produce a 'one size fits all' piece of kit, so no ISP (VM included) will be able to supply one. Why VM chose to force-release a device that didn't have modem-only capability from day 1, is something only they can answer.
slef2003
20-05-2011, 00:02
also gone for the option as I personally would like to be able to use my own router but realise that most folks (who wouldn't have a clue forums like this exist) would be happy with one box!!
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