[Update] 100Mb launched this week

[*sloman*]

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2010/10/25/uk-prime-minister-david-cameron-hints-at-100mb-virgin-media-launch-this-week.html

"The UK Prime Minster (PM), David Cameron, has this morning given a keynote speech to the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) in which he appears to have stolen the thunder from cable giant Virgin Media by apparently revealing the ISPs target to launch their new 100Mbps superfast broadband service this week.

Cameron also confirmed plans to publish, today, a more detailed plan for how it would "unlock" £200 billion worth of public and private sector investment and boost the country's infrastructure, including broadband delivery."

[ethan103]

wooo, reveal this week, have by next week!


yeah as if :P

[Ignitionnet]

Yep no surprise it'll be announced during results. Rollout will be small initially but will pick up pace.

100Mbps/10Mbps should exercise the new upstream capacity a bit.

[Lynchy]

'Stolen the thunder'?

I'm quite sure Virgin Media will be pleased that the Prime Minister has unveiled their 100mb roll-out plans.

I mean its not as if he is going to do a tv ad for them is it? Next best thing ;)

[pabscars]

'Stolen the thunder'?

I'm quite sure Virgin Media will be pleased that the Prime Minister has unveiled their 100mb roll-out plans.

I mean its not as if he is going to do a tv ad for them is it? Next best thing ;)

Not unless he is planning on changing his name to speedy gonzalez :D

A bit of free publicity certainly wont do them any harm.

It should be interesting times ahead

[pip08456]

Yep no surprise it'll be announced during results. Rollout will be small initially but will pick up pace.

100Mbps/10Mbps should exercise the new upstream capacity a bit.

I should imagine it would start in one of the areas having the upstream upgrade already.

[Stephen]

AFAIK its still testing and will probably not launch till next year.

[pip08456]

AFAIK its still testing and will probably not launch till next year.

Would not be surprising to see we have yet another PM who is clueless!

[BenMcr]

AFAIK its still testing and will probably not launch till next year.VM have already said it will launch before the end of the year

[Ignitionnet]

AFAIK its still testing and will probably not launch till next year.

Trials are focussed on 200Mbps with bonded upstream now, 100 is ready to roll pending capacity upgrades on individual nodes.

[Stephen]

VM have already said it will launch before the end of the year
I do work for VM and know this. But would expect it will be the same as 50MB and rollout area by area, so will be 2011 before the majority of people will be able to sign up for it.

[*sloman*]

i hope its no more than £50pm with phone line

[Ignitionnet]

i hope its no more than £50pm with phone line

I hope it's that much not including the phone line.

EDIT: Or is that what you meant? Unsure if you mean that price including the line at 50 quid or 50 quid if you have the phone line as well :)

[telfordcable]

What ???? 100 meg lanuch on wednesday 27th october ? and available to all of us by xmas 2010 in virgin media secret of 100 meg will be ready by xmas ?

[BenMcr]

No it won't be

[Ignitionnet]

What ???? 100 meg lanuch on wednesday 27th october ? and available to all of us by xmas 2010 in virgin media secret of 100 meg will be ready by xmas ?

No-one said anything about it being available by the end of the year. It won't even be close to available network-wide by then sadly :)

[*sloman*]

I hope it's that much not including the phone line.

EDIT: Or is that what you meant? Unsure if you mean that price including the line at 50 quid or 50 quid if you have the phone line as well :)

Sorry i meant £50+£11 i would be ok with, £39+£11 would be perfect

[Sirius]

What ???? 100 meg lanuch on wednesday 27th october ? and available to all of us by xmas 2010 in virgin media secret of 100 meg will be ready by xmas ?:LOL:


He's back

[pip08456]

:LOL:


He's back

Yup and as usual taking everything out of context and coming to his own conclusion which he then asserts as fact.

The disappointments he must have in his life................

[telfordcable]

I want 1000gb download speed and 1250gb upload speed ! I have that!

[Sirius]

I want 1000gb download speed and 1250gb upload speed ! I have that!I know what you do need but i cannot post it here because its a family forum ;)

[jb66]

It won't be out till the superhub has passed all the tests

[Ignitionnet]

Sorry i meant £50+£11 i would be ok with, £39+£11 would be perfect

If it were 39 quid I'd be quite suspicious. It's 100Mbit, 50p / Mbps of max speed is perfectly acceptable.

[uno]

So will current 50mb customers need new modems then for the 100mb upgrade ? I was talking to a friend last night who is a Virgin media service tech covering Hinckley in Leicestershire and I was saying how surprised i was that Hinckley has been upgraded so soon as Leicester and Coventry have not been done yet to the new upload speed and will be getting 100mb soon after launch but he said its due to BT having already launched their FTTC service and being popular so Virgin want to keep up

[Stephen]

So will current 50mb customers need new modems then for the 100mb upgrade ? I was talking to a friend last night who is a Virgin media service tech covering Hinckley in Leicestershire and I was saying how surprised i was that Hinckley has been upgraded so soon as Leicester and Coventry have not been done yet to the new upload speed and will be getting 100mb soon after launch but he said its due to BT having already launched their FTTC service and being popular so Virgin want to keep upNo the 50MB modem will quiet happily cope with 100MB.

[BenMcr]

No the 50MB modem will quiet happily cope with 100MB.Although the modem will do 100Mbit, the 100Mbit service will required the SuperHub as far as I'm aware.

There will be no option to use the existing kit - because the D-Link router can't do 100Mbit

[Stephen]

Although the modem will do 100Mbit, the 100Mbit service will required the SuperHub as far as I'm aware.

There will be no option to use the existing kit - because the D-Link router can't do 100Mbit
I thought that existing 50MB customers would use their current kit and new installs or upgrades from 10/20MB would get the superhub?

[BenMcr]

I thought that existing 50MB customers would use their current kit and new installs or upgrades from 10/20MB would get the superhub?Nope. As I said that would mean that customers with 50Mbit kit would be at a Wireless disavantage to those with the SuperHub

[pip08456]

Not if they had their own router. It could be made an option if they wanted to.

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The new VMNG300 Cable Modem has a GigE interface that also supports 100Mbps (and 10Mbps) Ethernet connections.

[BenMcr]

Not if they had their own router. It could be made an option if they wanted to.As not all routers can do 100Mbit between the LAN and WAN interfaces, Virgin would get complaints about slow speeds when it's customer's routers that are at fault

There will be a 'modem only mode' within the SuperHub so that if customers do have a router that is 100Mbit compatible they can use it if they so wish

[Chrysalis]

I am wondering what the PM is doing knowing VM's business plans, I dont like businesses and politics been tied together.

[BenMcr]

The new VMNG300 Cable Modem has a GigE interface that also supports 100Mbps (and 10Mbps) Ethernet connections.I know it does. The modem isn't the issue. It's a bigger picture of providing a complete solution that gives as much as possible the best service AND is something Virgin can support from end to end

[roger skillin]

Does this Superhub come with a mini cape?

[Ignitionnet]

I am wondering what the PM is doing knowing VM's business plans, I dont like businesses and politics been tied together.

They are an important part of the government's broadband plans, as are BT. They would both, necessarily, be in communication with the relevant sections of the government. Given there's a broadband minister you would hope that he has a better idea what VM and BT are doing than we do, would make him rather pointless otherwise.

Business and politics are tied together inexorably and always will be, this isn't a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with politicians and business communicating and it's a vital part of any reasonable democracy, the only danger is undue influence which this doesn't give any indication of.

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Does this Superhub come with a mini cape?

Yes, for people to put on as they jump out of high floor windows in frustration.

This is going by the experience of the pile of pap that is the normal hub ;)

[*sloman*]

Nope. As I said that would mean that customers with 50Mbit kit would be at a Wireless disavantage to those with the SuperHub


Does this mean i will have to pay another £50 'activation' fee for this new super hub???

[BenMcr]

Does this mean i will have to pay another £50 'activation' fee for this new super hub???Details of the pricing haven't been released yet

[whizzard]

I'd say it will be at least Qtr 2 next year before the majority of people will be able to take advantage of 100mb speeds.

[pip08456]

I would think it will follow the same route as the upstream upload increase as in a way the 2 go hand in hand.

[Ignitionnet]

I would think it will follow the same route as the upstream upload increase as in a way the 2 go hand in hand.

Quite right, there will be no 100Mbit service in areas which have not had the upstream upgrade.

[SideWeaver]

Quite right, there will be no 100Mbit service in areas which have not had the upstream upgrade.

So if you are like me and have had the upstream upgrade, there is a chance I could likely be able to get it at launch? Is that what you reckon?

I am considering getting it, but I am out of contract, so might try to use the few problems I have had to push them with so that I can get it cheaper etc hehe.

[BenMcr]

so might try to use the few problems I have had to push them with so that I can get it cheaper etc hehe.I have a feeling that Virgin will be the ones doing the laughing at that

[SideWeaver]

I have a feeling that Virgin will be the ones doing the laughing at that

Nah, even if they do let them giggle.

[Ignitionnet]

I have a feeling that Virgin will be the ones doing the laughing at that

Never underestimate the desperation of retentions to get their commission.

That said, I guess it may be in the billing system as being absolutely set in stone which would certainly make sense, discounting it at launch is pretty weak. This does of course assume that VM's retention policy makes sense and there's absolutely no indication of that but rather that it entirely depends on who you're speaking to.

I've seen a few strange ones in my time, even when the codes don't allow discounts if people get the right one they seem to find a way to get something off the bill.

In the case of the 100Mbit the correct answer to anyone asking for a discount is extremely simple - go elsewhere for 100Mbit if not happy with the price, and good luck with that. Any agent who even tries to discount it until the appropriate bundles are in place, likely once the product has been out a while, should be pulled up.

[|Kippa|]

Will 100mbit only be launched in areas that have only just got the 5mbit upload rate for 50mbit users?

[Ignitionnet]

Will 100mbit only be launched in areas that have only just got the 5mbit upload rate for 50mbit users?

It will not be launched anywhere that doesn't have the 5Mbit upstream on 50Mbit.

Once it's started to launch it's conceivable they could both be launched at the same time.

Until you're on DOCSIS 2 upstream though (doesn't mean 5Mbit, just DOCSIS 2 type upstream) you've no chance of getting it.

[roughbeast]

Someone has probably said this somewhere, but part from the Super Hub possibly coming with a mini cape :erm: what is its WAN to LAN throughput? Will it be future-proofed with a throughput in excess of 400Mb or will it just manage the 100Mb.

Glad to hear that the router function is optional. Presumably the router aspect can also be configured to be just an access point if I choose.

[Ignitionnet]

Someone has probably said this somewhere, but part from the Super Hub possibly coming with a mini cape :erm: what is its WAN to LAN throughput? Will it be future-proofed with a throughput in excess of 400Mb or will it just manage the 100Mb.

Glad to hear that the router function is optional. Presumably the router aspect can also be configured to be just an access point if I choose.

WAN to LAN throughput isn't an issue - the modem is inside the device and it should be able to handle whatever its' cable modem can deliver.

I changed it to should as the standard hub is a disaster, so who knows.

[BenMcr]

Will it be future-proofed with a throughput in excess of 400Mb or will it just manage the 100Mb. Well as I can't see Wireless managing to get much past 100Mbit even under optimal conditions I doubt they've even thought (or bothered) about 400Mbit yet!

[SideWeaver]

In the case of the 100Mbit the correct answer to anyone asking for a discount is extremely simple - go elsewhere for 100Mbit if not happy with the price, and good luck with that. Any agent who even tries to discount it until the appropriate bundles are in place, likely once the product has been out a while, should be pulled up.


I have no problem with the price of the connection atall, I just have the habbit of trying these things. Been on the VIP package for 3 years now and spend a lot with them, so I feel I can at least try the loyalty angle.

This post might be scoffed at, but that doesn't mean I can't try.

[vanman]

Well as I can't see Wireless managing to get much past 100Mbit even under optimal conditions I doubt they've even thought (or bothered) about 400Mbit yet!
with all due respect ben 1943 statement "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers,"Thomas J. Watson Head of IBM

[BenMcr]

with all due respect benI meant in respect to the specifications for the SuperHub, not in general.

[Andrewcrawford23]

Well as I can't see Wireless managing to get much past 100Mbit even under optimal conditions I doubt they've even thought (or bothered) about 400Mbit yet!
wigig that what repalcing current n wirelss it cant substain at least 800mb just now 800 is not the exact wireless tranmit amoutn jsut roughfigure as i dnt have the exact oe to hand

[BenMcr]

wigig that what repalcing current n wirelss it cant substain at least 800mb just now 800 is not the exact wireless tranmit amoutn jsut roughfigure as i dnt have the exact oe to hand
eh?

[jtaylor06]

Ignitionnet, is it normal to have a slight hypnosis feeling when looking at your avatar? ;)

[roughbeast]

Ignitionnet, is it normal to have a slight hypnosis feeling when looking at your avatar? ;)

Antidote to accidental avatar hypnosis: Watch my avatar.

[Ignitionnet]

Ignitionnet, is it normal to have a slight hypnosis feeling when looking at your avatar? ;)

That's what it's there for sir.

[|Kippa|]

I sometimes get the feeling that the colours are moving when I stare at that avatar. I take it is an optical illusion.

[coderGeek29]

As not all routers can do 100Mbit between the LAN and WAN interfaces, Virgin would get complaints about slow speeds when it's customer's routers that are at fault

There will be a 'modem only mode' within the SuperHub so that if customers do have a router that is 100Mbit compatible they can use it if they so wish

The router I got with my 50mb service was, well, terrible, so I bought myself one that can easily handle GB/s. (And no, I'm not just talking about the WAN interface, but the switching/routing capacity)

So, I'm annoyed at the thought that VM are proposing to force people on to a new device, just for the sake of fixing a problem that might not exist. Perhaps VM could be a bit more flexible? Perhaps those with a suitable modem could be offered an upgrade if their infrastructure isn't up to it?

[Ignitionnet]

100Mbit.

Starts rollout before end of year.

First areas to be covered are Enfield, Chelmsford, Heckmondwike and Farnborough.

£35/month as part of a bundle, £45 without.

No STM but there will be shaping as per the other tiers.

10Mbps upstream as expected.

[Horizon]

Good price, assume the other prices will drop as a result. But shaping is STM to me. If I can't do exactly what I want, when I want, then it's not unlimited in any sense or form.

Now, where do I sign up? :)

[Ignitionnet]

The router I got with my 50mb service was, well, terrible, so I bought myself one that can easily handle GB/s. (And no, I'm not just talking about the WAN interface, but the switching/routing capacity

Unless you have a Linux box or a very expensive professional router no you didn't. Home routers with a gig routing performance don't exist and business equipment of that performance you're talking a 3 RU device.

[coderGeek29]

Good price, assume the other prices will drop as a result. But shaping is STM to me. If I can't do exactly what I want, when I want, then it's not unlimited in any sense or form.

Now, where do I sign up? :)

Here:
http://www.virginmediapeople.com/100mb/?buspart=OD_1

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Unless you have a Linux box or a very expensive professional router no you didn't. Home routers with a gig routing performance don't exist and business equipment of that performance you're talking a 3 RU device.

Actually, a linux box + Catalyst Switch + a time capsule for wireless.

[whizzard]

Anyone hoping to get it outside of the areas mentioned before the end of the year may as well ask for something else from Santa :-p

[Grimpy]

Will our current 50mb modem handle the new speeds? If not it says the new modem will be free of charge but i guess they'll hit us with a installation and activation charge.

Wonder how much extra it will be for those of us who already have 50mb as part of a bundle..

[SOSAGES]

why is it cheaper than what i pay for my 50 meg now :)

[whizzard]

Will our current 50mb modem handle the new speeds? If not it says the new modem will be free of charge but i guess they'll hit us with a installation and activation charge.

Wonder how much extra it will be for those of us who already have 50mb as part of a bundle..

Existing modem is fit for purpose, however existing N routers provided would not be able to handle the throughput, hence the need for new kit.

[devilincarnate]

6 Pricing: Virgin Media’s 100Mb broadband service will cost £45 per month as a stand-alone service or just £35 when taken with a phone line (currently £11.99). Customers with additional Virgin Media services will benefit from additional bundle discounts. Activation (£30) and installation (£40) charges apply.

http://pressoffice.virginmedia.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=205406&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1487663&highlight=

[Grimpy]

Existing modem is fit for purpose, however existing N routers provided would not be able to handle the throughput, hence the need for new kit.

Would my current router handle the speeds?

D-Link DIR-655 Wireless N Gigabit Firewall Router - IEEE 802.11n Compliant - 300Mbps - 10/100/1000Mbps

[adzii_nufc]

Cant wait for newcastle to be covered. £45 though, better than I expected considering I'm paying £38 for 50mb

£7 increase and double the speed :D

[roughbeast]

Here is that long-awaited announcement.

http://pressoffice.virginmedia.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=205406&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1487663&highlight=

Edit.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .......


I just registered.

[adzii_nufc]

Here is that long-awaited announcement.

http://pressoffice.virginmedia.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=205406&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1487663&highlight=

Someone beat you to it^^

[pip08456]

Would my current router handle the speeds?

D-Link DIR-655 Wireless N Gigabit Firewall Router - IEEE 802.11n Compliant - 300Mbps - 10/100/1000Mbps

Yes it would.

[browney]

Amazing price.

[crazyronnie]

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4441-virgin-media-announces-100-mbps-broadband-amp-q3-2010-results.html

Theres going to be traffic management on this. Can't say i'm surprised.

[BenMcr]

Would my current router handle the speeds?

D-Link DIR-655 Wireless N Gigabit Firewall Router - IEEE 802.11n Compliant - 300Mbps - 10/100/1000Mbps The Lan to Wan maybe ok, but it doesn't get anywhere near 100Mbit on wireless

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/index.php?option=com_wireless&Itemid=&chart=65

[roger skillin]

How annoying that i've only just upgraded to 50mb and now they bring 100mb out, mind you it'll probably be another year till i can get it in my area anyway

[Grimpy]

So if we already have the 50mb modem which can handle the new speeds if we upgrade to 100mb will we get the superhub free of charge?

[pip08456]

So if we already have the 50mb modem which can handle the new speeds if we upgrade to 100mb will we get the superhub free of charge?

As I understand it the superhub is free but there is an install and activation charge.

[roughbeast]

Someone beat you to it^^

Yeah! :mad:

[Grimpy]

As I understand it the superhub is free but there is an install and activation charge.

Will just hold onto my current kit then and save on the installation charge.

[BenMcr]

Will just hold onto my current kit then and save on the installation charge.You won't have that option. 100Mbit will only be available with the SuperHub

[haydnwalker]

I REALLY want to pre-register, but as we may be moving house (to a non-cabled area) there's no point :(

Does anyone know if 50mbit might get a bit cheaper because of this announcement? (just a thought)

[BenMcr]

Well as I can't see Wireless managing to get much past 100Mbit even under optimal conditions I doubt they've even thought (or bothered) about 400Mbit yet!Looks like I was wrong. According to the press release the SuperHub can do 400Mbit wired!

[haydnwalker]

Looking around the internet, it seems that wifi-N only has practical real-life speeds of about 50mbps anyway, so they need to do something rather special to let people get anywhere closer to 100mbps via wireless :)

[Chrysalis]

In all honesty I think VM would sell more 100mbit at £70 unshaped than at £45 shaped. Most people interested will be bulk downloaders of nttp/p2p.

[pip08456]

Looking around the internet, it seems that wifi-N only has practical real-life speeds of about 50mbps anyway, so they need to do something rather special to let people get anywhere closer to 100mbps via wireless :)

Wireless N (draft) 75Mb/s realistically

Wireless N 150Mb/s

802.11n networks support approximately 300 Mbps of rated (theoretical) bandwidth under the best conditions. Unfortunately, an 802.11n network will sometimes operate at much lower speeds (130 Mbps and below).

source (http://compnetworking.about.com/od/wireless/f/80211n-300-mbps.htm)

[qasdfdsaq]

Looking around the internet, it seems that wifi-N only has practical real-life speeds of about 50mbps anyway, so they need to do something rather special to let people get anywhere closer to 100mbps via wireless :)

I get practical real-life speeds of 80-160mbps throughout my flat on wifi-N (maxes out at 180mbps next to the router). And the standard allows for at least 50% more (3x3 MIMO hardware, which is uncommon at the moment but do exist)



802.11n networks support approximately 300 Mbps of rated (theoretical) bandwidth under the best conditions.

600 mbps interface speed actually.

[BenMcr]

Wireless N (draft) 75Mb/s realistically

Wireless N 150Mb/s

802.11n networks support approximately 300 Mbps of rated (theoretical) bandwidth under the best conditions. Unfortunately, an 802.11n network will sometimes operate at much lower speeds (130 Mbps and below).
This seems to indicate that Wireless N tops out at 100Mbit

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/index.php?option=com_wireless&Itemid=&chart=65

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I get practical real-life speeds of 80-160mbps throughout my flat on wifi-N (maxes out at 180mbps next to the router). And the standard allows for at least 50% more (3x3 MIMO hardware, which is uncommon at the moment but do exist)What hardware do you have?

[Welshchris]

You won't have that option. 100Mbit will only be available with the SuperHub

yet another way of ripping off the customers in my opinion especially if they have a gigabit router themselves and current modems will handle the 100mb.

[BenMcr]

yet another way of ripping off the customers in my opinion especially if they have a gigabit router themselves and current modems will handle the 100mb.As the XXL modem is 100Mbit capabile, then it's always a possibility of in place upgrades later down the line.

However as 100Mbit is new product, I would much rather Virgin install 100Mbit with kit that has been tested and confirmed as being able to deliver it the service end to end

[muppetman11]

How can Virgin offer 100 meg speeds when at peak times the best they can manage on my 20 meg connection is 11 meg m m m m m interesting.

[Welshchris]

rubbish.. the 50mb is 100mb compatible and Virgin have stated that all along, they r just trying to blag more money and forcing people to pay for another install even if they have paid for a 50mb install and now have kit capable of 100mb.. OK admittingly their routers are not 100mb compatible but theres been a lot of complaints about the hubs not offering all the features people want. I think if ur a 50mb customer u should be given the option to use the current modem and buy another router either from Virgin or ur own and not be forced to HAVE! to buy a piece of kit that may not offer all the features that the user may require.

[qasdfdsaq]

This seems to indicate that Wireless N tops out at 100Mbit

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/index.php?option=com_wireless&Itemid=&chart=65

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What hardware do you have?
D-Link DIR-825 (2x2) + Intel 5100 (2x1) client card.

Up to 4x4 is supported by the standard but we won't be seeing them anytime soon. 3x3 is just hitting the market now (and should do ~250-300mbps actual TCP data speed)

[pip08456]

rubbish.. the 50mb is 100mb compatible and Virgin have stated that all along, they r just trying to blag more money and forcing people to pay for another install even if they have paid for a 50mb install and now have kit capable of 100mb.. OK admittingly their routers are not 100mb compatible but theres been a lot of complaints about the hubs not offering all the features people want. I think if ur a 50mb customer u should be given the option to use the current modem and buy another router either from Virgin or ur own and not be forced to HAVE! to buy a piece of kit that may not offer all the features that the user may require.

The 50Mb Kit is not capable, the modem is but that's only 1/2 the Kit.

Otherwise I agree, customers presently on 50Mb should be given the option.

[qasdfdsaq]

The modem is the only part of the kit I'll be using... Even on 50mb I won't be touching VM's router.

Hell I still wish 50mb had a self-install option. Even though my installation's free, it'd save me waiting a week for an engineer to come by, plug the modem in the same place we already have one, and leave.

[Welshchris]

Pip read what i said, i have stated that the routers ARE NOT! Compatible!

[qasdfdsaq]

The first areas to get the ultrafast service will include parts of London, the South East and Yorkshire, with the roll-out expected to be complete by mid 2012.

Mid 2012? With no detailed schedule? Jesus. This is going to be one long frustrating wait...

[pip08456]

This seems to indicate that Wireless N tops out at 100Mbit

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/index.php?option=com_wireless&Itemid=&chart=65[COLOR="Silver"]



Notwithstanding channel bonding as outlined in the link I gave.

[Chrysalis]

How can Virgin offer 100 meg speeds when at peak times the best they can manage on my 20 meg connection is 11 meg m m m m m interesting.

indeed, I find it amusing there is talk of VM wanting to make sure it works with proper equipment etc. when their own equipment cannot even work at lower speeds. Priorities wrong me thinks.

[muppetman11]

indeed, I find it amusing there is talk of VM wanting to make sure it works with proper equipment etc. when their own equipment cannot even work at lower speeds. Priorities wrong me thinks.

I wired my computer last night directly to the modem and about 7pm achieved a best speed of 11 meg.

[Welshchris]

i do think VM are aware that a lot of network upgrades are gonna be required for 100mb hence why they have stated its gonna take so long to rollout.

[Chrysalis]

i do think VM are aware that a lot of network upgrades are gonna be required for 100mb hence why they have stated its gonna take so long to rollout.

the point we making is they should do these upgrades and then NOT rollout 100mbit. have the upgrades just make current speeds work first.

[muppetman11]

the point we making is they should do these upgrades and then NOT rollout 100mbit. have the upgrades just make current speeds work first.

Very well put.

[Welshchris]

the point we making is they should do these upgrades and then NOT rollout 100mbit. have the upgrades just make current speeds work first.

VM would see that as pointless in my opinion as they would be spending so much on the network and getting very little back in return for it, they are doing it to introduce an new tier of service in order to get as much back as possible.

[muppetman11]

VM would see that as pointless in my opinion as they would be spending so much on the network and getting very little back in return for it, they are doing it to introduce an new tier of service in order to get as much back as possible.

While other people don't get there advertised speed sounds fair.

[Chrysalis]

VM would see that as pointless in my opinion as they would be spending so much on the network and getting very little back in return for it, they are doing it to introduce an new tier of service in order to get as much back as possible.

customer satisfaction should not be seen as very little. :(

[roger skillin]

indeed, I find it amusing there is talk of VM wanting to make sure it works with proper equipment etc. when their own equipment cannot even work at lower speeds. Priorities wrong me thinks.

Well there own equipment does work otherwise myself and other people who are getting a full 50mb speed wouldn't be getting it, it comes down to traffic and how many connections there are coming from the same box, over the next 2 years of this 100mb roll out i'm sure there will be a lot of upgrading to cope and therefore the lower tiers will improve as well

[pip08456]

The upgrades they are doing do more to relieve upstream congestion than provide the new tier.

ATM about 90.000 on 50Mb and all will have upstream split 50/50ish onto 2 channels rather than one.

The uptake onto 100Mb will be slow IMHO.

[sdacompany]

Earlier on the forum I read that you can set cable modem/N router to modem only mode. Can anyone post a souse to confirm that?

[haydnwalker]

While other people don't get there advertised speed sounds fair.

Remember... you only get UPTO your advertised speed....(but thats really for another thread)

[TheDon]

customer satisfaction should not be seen as very little. :(

When their churn is as low as it is it's really pointless sinking huge amounts of money into network upgrades across the board just to reduce an already low number a bit more.

Targeted network upgrades to deal with localised issues is the way it should be, and is being, done.

They need to keep raising headline speeds to bring higher revenue onto the platform. Revenue that will pay for the upgrades that need doing.

[pip08456]

Earlier on the forum I read that you can set cable modem/N router to modem only mode. Can anyone post a souse to confirm that?

BenMcr has confirmed this earlier in the thread and as he works for them I would consider it to be true.

[Chrysalis]

churn is low due to discounts.

these targeted network upgrades are not been done, else me and muppetman11 would not be posting this right now.

[Ignitionnet]

As little as £35 / month for 100Mbps/10Mbps and people are moaning their arses off about having to pay an install and activation fee. :rolleyes:

So, yeah, Chrysalis we were discussing in another thread how people in the UK are happy to pay for quality? (Keep conversation to that thread just thought it was noteworthy).

The other amusing thing being the complaints about performance when precisely the upgrades to release 100Mbit will resolve these performance problems. Clearly VM shouldn't upgrade any areas until absolutely everyone can get maximum performance 24x7. Best downgrade everyone to 2Mbps just to make sure no-one ever sees anything bar 100% performance all the time, even if that 100% sucks. :rolleyes:

Anyway I'm going to pre-order the 100Mbps, I know I won't be able to get it until at the earliest June-July 2011 but, hey, it's a bargain price for the fastest widely available service in the country. With or without an activation and install fee. Tight gimboids.

[Chrysalis]

ignition I didnt say everyone. :)

[pip08456]

As little as £35 / month for 100Mbps/10Mbps and people are moaning their arses off about having to pay an install and activation fee. :rolleyes:

So, yeah, Chrysalis we were discussing in another thread how people in the UK are happy to pay for quality? (Keep conversation to that thread just thought it was noteworthy).

The other amusing thing being the complaints about performance when precisely the upgrades to release 100Mbit will resolve these performance problems. Clearly VM shouldn't upgrade any areas until absolutely everyone can get maximum performance 24x7. Best downgrade everyone to 2Mbps just to make sure no-one ever sees anything bar 100% performance all the time, even if that 100% sucks. :rolleyes:

Anyway I'm going to pre-order the 100Mbps, I know I won't be able to get it until at the earliest June-July 2011 but, hey, it's a bargain price for the fastest widely available service in the country. With or without an activation and install fee. Tight gimboids.

I agree with you Igni, the upgrades to the network neccessary to provide a 100Mb service in itself help relieve the issues that lower tiers are suffering from so overall everyone should see an improvement.

I'm looking for a reduction in my 50Mb connection though as I won't be going to 100Mb.

[Welshchris]

While other people don't get there advertised speed sounds fair.

a lot of people forget that the service is advertised as UPTO!

[BenMcr]

I'm looking for a reduction in my 50Mb connection though as I won't be going to 100Mb.Why? You pay £7 less for it than the 100Mbit will cost, why should it be reduced further?

[pip08456]

Why not!! I'm one of those cheepskates!:D:D:D:D:D

[Chrysalis]

a lot of people forget that the service is advertised as UPTO!

again you miss the point.

on an adsl isp generally if there is congestion the entire customer base suffers.

here we have isolated customers getting substandard service to the rest. that isnt right.

in other words if you and everyone else had the same performance as me I would be more inclined to accept it.

[pip08456]

I would think you will find ADSL suffers per exchange rather than the whole customer base.

Igni!! help me out here!

[Chrysalis]

I would think you will find ADSL suffers per exchange rather than the whole customer base.

Igni!! help me out here!

thats true there is some exchange based issues as well, but I mean isp caused congestion.

in the case of exchange based congestion for what its worth I think that is also wrong.

[Sirius]

As little as £35 / month for 100Mbps/10Mbps and people are moaning their arses off about having to pay an install and activation fee. :rolleyes:

So, yeah, Chrysalis we were discussing in another thread how people in the UK are happy to pay for quality? (Keep conversation to that thread just thought it was noteworthy).

The other amusing thing being the complaints about performance when precisely the upgrades to release 100Mbit will resolve these performance problems. Clearly VM shouldn't upgrade any areas until absolutely everyone can get maximum performance 24x7. Best downgrade everyone to 2Mbps just to make sure no-one ever sees anything bar 100% performance all the time, even if that 100% sucks. :rolleyes:

Anyway I'm going to pre-order the 100Mbps, I know I won't be able to get it until at the earliest June-July 2011 but, hey, it's a bargain price for the fastest widely available service in the country. With or without an activation and install fee. Tight gimboids.

:clap: Well said

[Ignitionnet]

I would think you will find ADSL suffers per exchange rather than the whole customer base.

Igni!! help me out here!

You're right, per exchange or interconnect (http://noc.enta.net/21cn-interconnect-status/), but can we not let this thread fall into discussing congestion issues, it's to discuss 100Mbps.

[Chrysalis]

Am I tight for not wanting to pay for a service that is?

(a) not available yet
(b) wont run near the marketed speed

I will pay well for a service that is quality, I wont pay high for a service that is substandard.

[pip08456]

Am I tight for not wanting to pay for a service that is?

(a) not available yet
(b) wont run near the marketed speed

I will pay well for a service that is quality, I wont pay high for a service that is substandard.

(a) not wanting to pay is your choice.

(b) as it hasn't been launched yet you cannot state that with veracity. As the network on a whole has to be upgraded with an investment of millions you may be proved wrong.

[nashmills]

a lot of people forget that the service is advertised as UPTO!
It always bugs me how they get away with that. They should advertise MINIMUM speeds then we would know whether or not we were getting what we paid for.

[BenMcr]

It always bugs me how they get away with that. They should advertise MINIMUM speeds then we would know whether or not we were getting what we paid for.That's extremely difficult to do because the speed you get is affected by more than Virgin control

[pip08456]

It always bugs me how they get away with that. They should advertise MINIMUM speeds then we would know whether or not we were getting what we paid for.

That would take the majority of users to complain to OFCOM, they don't- end of story.

I do agree with you though and have said it many times in the past.

[Horizon]

I think once all broadband connections have been shifted over to the DOCSIS3 network, then hopefully, hopefully, all talk of poor speeds should be gone. For those of us on the lower tier speeds, we only have one download channel to share between us, meant to be two but in most areas its not. So that is where all the problems lie.

Berkett made clear today the broadband tiers upgrades for the next few years. VM will go back to having 3 tiers starting at 20, 50, 100, then they will all go to 50, 100, 200mb in time. We've all seen how they all do the upgrades, so no doubt the 20 and 50mb services will be aligned together, and the 10mb tiers will go to 20 to start with. Then some time after that, by the time of the Olympics (?) a 200mb service may well be with us then.

As much as I would love a FTTH service, I wouldn't say no to a 200mb cable service.

[muppetman11]

When their churn is as low as it is it's really pointless sinking huge amounts of money into network upgrades across the board just to reduce an already low number a bit more.

Targeted network upgrades to deal with localised issues is the way it should be, and is being, done.

They need to keep raising headline speeds to bring higher revenue onto the platform. Revenue that will pay for the upgrades that need doing.

As little as £35 / month for 100Mbps/10Mbps and people are moaning their arses off about having to pay an install and activation fee. :rolleyes:

So, yeah, Chrysalis we were discussing in another thread how people in the UK are happy to pay for quality? (Keep conversation to that thread just thought it was noteworthy).

The other amusing thing being the complaints about performance when precisely the upgrades to release 100Mbit will resolve these performance problems. Clearly VM shouldn't upgrade any areas until absolutely everyone can get maximum performance 24x7. Best downgrade everyone to 2Mbps just to make sure no-one ever sees anything bar 100% performance all the time, even if that 100% sucks. :rolleyes:

Anyway I'm going to pre-order the 100Mbps, I know I won't be able to get it until at the earliest June-July 2011 but, hey, it's a bargain price for the fastest widely available service in the country. With or without an activation and install fee. Tight gimboids.

That's okay if you still get near it at peak my 20 meg connection struggles to give me 10 meg some nights. Cable suffers contention wise just as bad as ADSL in my experience.

[pip08456]

That's okay if you still get near it at peak my 20 meg connection struggles to give me 10 meg some nights. Cable suffers contention wise just as bad as ADSL in my experience.

Of course contention is an issue. The upgrade should resolve it though.

[MadGamer]

I havent read through the whole thread, but i wonder what this will mean for customers that have got BT Infinity? I am aware that its a different product all together, but would still love to know someone else's opinion

[Stephen]

That's okay if you still get near it at peak my 20 meg connection struggles to give me 10 meg some nights. Cable suffers contention wise just as bad as ADSL in my experience.
I personally don't think it does. With the higher tiers now on Docsis 3.0 this should not be an issue.

My 50MB runs at full speed 99% of the time.

[pip08456]

I havent read through the whole thread, but i wonder what this will mean for customers that have got BT Infinity? I am aware that its a different product all together, but would still love to know someone else's opinion

It would mean nothing for those with BT infinity, not only is it a seperate product but a totally different network!

[MadGamer]

Thats not what I was getting at, i meant, does it mean that BT will provide faster than 40mb/10mb

[BenMcr]

Thats not what I was getting at, i meant, does it mean that BT will provide faster than 40mb/10mbBT have announced they will be doing an 'peak' 110Mbit service (off peak 20Mbit)

http://www.trustedreviews.com/networking/news/2010/10/21/BT-Broadband-to-hit-110Mbps-Next-Year/p1

Although who knows where that's going to be available

[Ignitionnet]

That's okay if you still get near it at peak my 20 meg connection struggles to give me 10 meg some nights. Cable suffers contention wise just as bad as ADSL in my experience.

I used to go between 6 and 10Mbit during peak periods when on VM 20Mbit cable. Browsing was still responsive, hardly noticed it except when downloading.

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Thats not what I was getting at, i meant, does it mean that BT will provide faster than 40mb/10mb

No. Not right now, they were well aware VM were releasing 100/10.

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BT have announced they will be doing an 'peak' 110Mbit service (off peak 20Mbit)

Guaranteed 20Mbit, burst up to 110Mbit. No 'peak / off peak' as most would understand it as people are likely to think that refers to time periods.

Hardly anyone will be able to get it. BT are doing FTTP to virtually nowhere.

[muppetman11]

I appreciate that during peak speeds drop off but seems crazy to pay for 100 meg if during peak your only getting 50 meg.

[v0id]

I appreciate that during peak speeds drop off but seems crazy to pay for 100 meg if during peak your only getting 50 meg.

Not realy crazy considering 3 and 4Mbps used to cost £50 p/m

[Chrysalis]

I pre regged me and a few houses on my street, see if this speeds up upgrade work for my area.

[Ignitionnet]

I appreciate that during peak speeds drop off but seems crazy to pay for 100 meg if during peak your only getting 50 meg.

Why, when you'll see 100Mbit off peak?

£35 / £45 without phone line for 50Mbps peak, 100Mbps off peak seems great to me.

[telfordcable]

I had pre-registered for superhub and 100Meg. I start to put my £70 into my saving for installation charge and activation fee, I just wish they shouldn't charge any fee for any 50Meg customers as I knew our 50Meg modem can cope with 100Meg anyway.

[pip08456]

I pre regged me and a few houses on my street, see if this speeds up upgrade work for my area.

Both why and how would it???

[Ignitionnet]

I had pre-registered for superhub and 100Meg. I start to put my £70 into my saving for installation charge and activation fee, I just wish they shouldn't charge any fee for any 50Meg customers as I knew our 50Meg modem can cope with 100Meg anyway.

Doesn't matter sadly. It's Virgin's service and they decide how it is to be provided. If people object the simple option is to not purchase it.

[philwhite100]

Wow 100meg, we have 50meg at the moment which is plenty fast enough at the moment. As and when we feel we need for 100meg we will probably go for it.

[Chrysalis]

Both why and how would it???

it would if VM are using it as a demand indicator. However it doesnt actually look like a pre reg form but more an availability checker. :(

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Why, when you'll see 100Mbit off peak?

£35 / £45 without phone line for 50Mbps peak, 100Mbps off peak seems great to me.

if it was 50mbit peak due to rate limiting (to maintain QOS) then it would seem great to me also, but if speeds are going to halve during peak then that means jitter etc. if its from congestion. 100mbit off peak is an assumption, there is no way of knowing that will be the case unless trying out the service. :(

[jab1990]

if people on the 20mb get upgraded to 50mb, dies that mean they will have to send a new modem to everyone again?

[roughbeast]

if people on the 20mb get upgraded to 50mb, dies that mean they will have to send a new modem to everyone again?

You can have mine! :D

[pip08456]

it would if VM are using it as a demand indicator. However it doesnt actually look like a pre reg form but more an availability checker. :([COLOR="Silver"]

(

As 50Mb only account for just over 90,000 of the 13 million or so customers VM have and only a percentage of those will upgrade I cannot for the life of me see why VM would change their planned upgrade strategy for the whole network just because a few are showing an interest in upgrading.

[roughbeast]

Why, when you'll see 100Mbit off peak?

£35 / £45 without phone line for 50Mbps peak, 100Mbps off peak seems great to me.

But, if your reason for upgrading to 100Mb is because of multiple users around the house then peak time is just when you would want it to stay at 100Mb, i.e When everyone gets home and starts caning their connection.

[pip08456]

if people on the 20mb get upgraded to 50mb, dies that mean they will have to send a new modem to everyone again?

Yes you would need a new modem if upgrading from 20Mb

[muppetman11]

But, if your reason for upgrading to 100Mb is because of multiple users around the house then peak time is just when you would want it to stay at 100Mb, i.e When everyone gets home and starts caning their connection.

Is 50 meg not good enough for multiple users , you must be downloading some content LOL.

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I see the 100 meg is going to be 35.00 if took in a bundle , does this mean that XL may become 50 meg and the xXL will become 100 meg.

[Downloads]

As little as £35 / month for 100Mbps/10Mbps and people are moaning their arses off about having to pay an install and activation fee. :rolleyes:

So, yeah, Chrysalis we were discussing in another thread how people in the UK are happy to pay for quality? (Keep conversation to that thread just thought it was noteworthy).

The other amusing thing being the complaints about performance when precisely the upgrades to release 100Mbit will resolve these performance problems. Clearly VM shouldn't upgrade any areas until absolutely everyone can get maximum performance 24x7. Best downgrade everyone to 2Mbps just to make sure no-one ever sees anything bar 100% performance all the time, even if that 100% sucks. :rolleyes:

Anyway I'm going to pre-order the 100Mbps, I know I won't be able to get it until at the earliest June-July 2011 but, hey, it's a bargain price for the fastest widely available service in the country. With or without an activation and install fee. Tight gimboids.

I never post on these boards anymore due to the moaning, I still read tho, however I felt the need to give a massive thumbs up to this post :tu:

[roughbeast]

Is 50 meg not good enough for multiple users , you must be downloading some content LOL.[COLOR="Silver"]

OK. One person on iPlayer or similar, one person on a PC game online, one on XBox/Wii game on line possibly acting as server, one sharing video in Paltalk, one using online applications for work, another streaming HD film. This could be any large family with teenagers or a student house. 50Mb with only 1.6Mb upload may cope. I have seen it struggle. 50Mb with 5Mb upload looks almost comfortable, but 100/10Mb peak time is desirable because you have an assured comfort margin and be ready for bandwidth-hungry developments.

[Stephen]

I pre regged me and a few houses on my street, see if this speeds up upgrade work for my area.

That won't work. They will have a planned rollout strategy.

[telfordcable]

Virgin Media, please bring 100Meg to Telford this December 2010, I want it for xmas.

[pip08456]

Virgin Media, please bring 100Meg to Telford this December 2010, I want it for xmas.

Better ask Santa for something else.

[vanman]

Virgin Media are launching their 100meg broadband service in style with a fleet of supercar taxis which will be roaming the streets of London tomorrow, Thursday 28th October. The cars will be available for the general public to hail, free of charge, between 10am and 4pm, being driven to their destination in Central London.
The three car fleet of premium taxis are made up of a Porsche 997 Turbo Gen 1, a Ferrari 430 F1 Coupe and an Aston Martin DBS, in black and the iconic yellow taxi light donning their roof.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/10/6.jpg"With today's announcement of our new 100Mb service, we wanted to do something fun and iconic to celebrate - our fleet of Ultrafast Taxis rolling out in London tomorrow will provide commuters a bit of excitement to liven up their day and the opportunity to get a taste of life in the fast lane courtesy of Virgin Media."
Jon James, (Executive Director Broadband) Virgin Media
nice :D

[Gavin78]

Just wondering will I need a new modem for 100mb? I am on 50mb already using the netgear router and modem they supplied?

I have to admit if they stick to the £35 a month price its not bad at all. I remember paying £50 a month for 1mb when that first came out or was that the 512 I can't remember

[roughbeast]

Just wondering will I need a new modem for 100mb? I am on 50mb already using the netgear router and modem they supplied?

I have to admit if they stick to the £35 a month price its not bad at all. I remember paying £50 a month for 1mb when that first came out or was that the 512 I can't remember

Check the rest of this thread for your answer.

[telfordcable]

You don't have to pay for installation charge if you already had virgin media 50Mb modem as it will support up to 200Mb anyway. I think superhub is only an option if you wish to exchange your current 50Mb modem and have to pay installation charge. I think virgin media will let you pay just for activation charge except those who are on 10Mb or 20Mb and never had 50Mb yet will have to fork out both installation + activation charge.

Also, all speedtest sites could be a problem of 100Mb and 100Mb will be traffic shaping eg:
5pm-midnight on weekdays and noon to midnight on weekends!

[AdamD]

Shame VM didn't use the money spent on those superfast taxies on exchanges which need upgrading.

But with that said, I wonder if the 10mb upload will be limited like the 5mb upload is for the 50Mb product? (in that it decreases after X gb of uploads)

[blenky]

I'm not sure how the pricing for this will effect my current package:confused:. I'm paying £62.99 broken down as follows

Telephone Line Rental - £11.99
Phone, TV, B'Band Xl, XXL Discount - £-18.50
TV Size: X L - £24.50
V+ HD Box - £0.00
XXL 50Mb Broadband - £45.00

Surely my broadband potion won't decrease to £35?

[BenMcr]

No it wouldn't. You are currently paying £28 for XXL, so it's likely 100Mbit will show on the bill has a higher price and then be discounted back to the sold price

[Ignitionnet]

You don't have to pay for installation charge if you already had virgin media 50Mb modem as it will support up to 200Mb anyway. I think superhub is only an option if you wish to exchange your current 50Mb modem and have to pay installation charge. I think virgin media will let you pay just for activation charge except those who are on 10Mb or 20Mb and never had 50Mb yet will have to fork out both installation + activation charge.

Also, all speedtest sites could be a problem of 100Mb and 100Mb will be traffic shaping eg:
5pm-midnight on weekdays and noon to midnight on weekends!

100Mbps will only be available with the new modem, there has been no mention anywhere of the ability to upgrade and keep the existing modem. Indeed a few posts in this very thread complain about it.

Speed testing is not a problem - the shaping hardware will recognise the traffic as such and leave it alone.

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Shame VM didn't use the money spent on those superfast taxies on exchanges which need upgrading.

But with that said, I wonder if the 10mb upload will be limited like the 5mb upload is for the 50Mb product? (in that it decreases after X gb of uploads)

Different budget, one didn't affect the other.

No STM according to the announcement. Subject to change and clarification of course.

[crazyronnie]

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4441-virgin-media-announces-100-mbps-broadband-amp-q3-2010-results.html

According to thinkbroadband.com

Traffic Management–Network-level protocol based traffic management will be in place which protects the quality of service for quality-sensitive applications such as video streaming. This will mean that during peak times (5pm-midnight on weekdays and noon to midnight on weekends), peer-to-peer protocols and newsgroup downloads may be shaped to manage capacity, however it is not expected that subscriber-based traffic management (i.e. managing heavy users) will be in place at this time.

[telfordcable]

I just spoken to guy at VM. If you already with 50Mb modem, and want to upgrade to 100Mb when it available in your area, you will have an option:

1) keep 50Mb modem but already had N wireless router and not in use and they will only charge you activation fee and no need for techicial man to come out to you.

2) keep 50Mb modem but already had N wireless router and will be in use then you will need a brand new superhub to support 100Mb wireless and will be activation fee only.

3) Want a new superhub to replaced 50Mb modem, there will be installation charge and activation fee plus a renewal of 12 months contract applied.

The 12 months contract will be applied only if you request a brand new superhub modem for all 50Mb customers who already owe a 50Mb modem. And also for customers who already on 10Mb or 20Mb will be upgrade to 100Mb as a new 12 months contract with full charge of both installation and activation fee with a new superhub for those who are on 10Mb / 20Mb customers.

So, if you are 50Mb customers who had 50Mb modem but never use N wireless router and you can upgrade to 100Mb with just a one off fee of activation fee and it all done at their end without any tech guy coming out and will not be in a renewal 12 months contract. (only for 50Mb customers)

[BenMcr]

1) Wrong

2) Wrong

3) This will be the only option

The 100Mbit service will be a new 12 month contract under all circumstances

[pip08456]

I just spoken to guy at VM. If you already with 50Mb modem, and want to upgrade to 100Mb when it available in your area, you will have an option:

1) keep 50Mb modem but already had N wireless router and not in use and they will only charge you activation fee and no need for techicial man to come out to you.

2) keep 50Mb modem but already had N wireless router and will be in use then you will need a brand new superhub to support 100Mb wireless and will be activation fee only.

3) Want a new superhub to replaced 50Mb modem, there will be installation charge and activation fee plus a renewal of 12 months contract applied.

The 12 months contract will be applied only if you request a brand new superhub modem for all 50Mb customers who already owe a 50Mb modem. And also for customers who already on 10Mb or 20Mb will be upgrade to 100Mb as a new 12 months contract with full charge of both installation and activation fee with a new superhub for those who are on 10Mb / 20Mb customers.

So, if you are 50Mb customers who had 50Mb modem but never use N wireless router and you can upgrade to 100Mb with just a one off fee of activation fee and it all done at their end without any tech guy coming out and will not be in a renewal 12 months contract. (only for 50Mb customers)

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

At least you are consistant in being wrong all the time!!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Perfect Choice]

"I just spoken to guy at VM" - VM guy wrong then?

[muppetman11]

Seems like BT has spat there dummy out saying Virgin are charging to much.

http://www.itpro.co.uk/628159/bt-slams-virgin-100mbps-broadband-pricing

[BenMcr]

Wouldn't expect any different from a rival company lol

[blenky]

No it wouldn't. You are currently paying £28 for XXL, so it's likely 100Mbit will show on the bill has a higher price and then be discounted back to the sold price

So am I right in thinking that if I took the 100Mbit I would end up paying £7 PM more?

[Grimpy]

"I just spoken to guy at VM" - VM guy wrong then?

Well ive spoken to a few of them over the years and i wouldnt trust what comes out of them as golden.

[BenMcr]

So am I right in thinking that if I took the 100Mbit I would end up paying £7 PM more?*In his best Teal'c voice* Indeed

[Chrysalis]

Seems like BT has spat there dummy out saying Virgin are charging to much.

http://www.itpro.co.uk/628159/bt-slams-virgin-100mbps-broadband-pricing

BT lost the plot years ago on pricing. They seriously trying to say they cant understand why VM charge for download burst speed?

[nomadking]

So is it just an extra £10/month for someone with a bundle package with BB L(£25/month)?

[BenMcr]

No cos the £25 price for bb l is before bundle discounts. The £35 price for 100mb is after bundle discounts

[nomadking]

No cos the £25 price for bb l is before bundle discounts. The £35 price for 100mb is after bundle discounts
Well, seeing as I am only provided with the £25 price on my bills and no specific price for bundled BB L, what price am I expected to use to compare with?

Virgin Media have announced in their 3rd QTR results yesterday that they are to start rolling out 100Mb speeds. Their 100Mb service will be rolled out across their network throughout 2011 but will be first available in parts of London, the south east and Yorkshire from the start of December 2010. Right now, existing and potential customers can pre-register their interest. The price will be £45 per month — or £35, if part of a bundle.
From VM Press release (http://pressoffice.virginmedia.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=205406&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1487663&highlight=)
Pricing: Virgin Media’s 100Mb broadband service will cost £45 per month as a stand-alone service or just £35 when taken with a phone line (currently £11.99). Customers with additional Virgin Media services will benefit from additional bundle discounts. Activation (£30) and installation (£40) charges apply.

[Ignitionnet]

I just spoken to guy at VM.

I prefer 'Once upon a time' as a start to fairy tales to be honest.

Never been able to take you seriously given your abysmal history of posting nonsense on Thinkbroadband and even less so since you posted this pointless exercise in make believe (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33662075-problem-with-50-meg.html#post34970894).

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Well, seeing as I am only provided with the £25 price on my bills and no specific price for bundled BB L, what price am I expected to use to compare with?

There will be a discount covering all products to take the price down somewhere along the line. You should be paying whatever the prevailing rate is on the website at this time for the broadband part of your service, £12.50.

So an additional £22.50 to go from 10 to 100Mbps.

[techguy]

interesting observation on the 100mb pre-reg checker online... Entering a Milton Keynes postcode now returns the result - coming soon rather than no chance.

[cnewton2k]

I for one cant wait for the launch in grimsby! My 50meg has been rock solid since i have had it installed.

I was the first customer in the area to have 50meg installed and with a bit of luck i will be the first to have 100meg :)

[Awesome Dude]

Am I the only one thinking whats the point of 100mb exactly?

I mean Virgin only has 90,000 customers out of millions on 50mb. I would imagine 100mb having even less.

So why speand all this money to serve a small minority?

If Virgin Media were serious about competing with BT they would upgrade ALL 20mb customers to 50mb for free, and all 50mb customers to 100mb for free, and 10mb to 20mb for free too.

No thats not me being cheap but its hardly headline worthy launching a service only a small fraction of your userbase will even adopt.

I hope someone at Virgin Media does this. I mean if they can give 50mb as standard that would put the nail in BT Infinity before it even launches. Could you imagine the advertising posibilitys of saying we offer 50mb for £20 a month with the phoneline for £11,a much cheaper and faster service than BT Infinity?

Yeah sadly Virgin will always do things on the cheap whilst bleeding the customers dry.

I'm guessing this new tier will be XXXL?

[hemelvirgin]

Hi,

have put my details towards 100mb.

i used to be on vip 20 have removed all sky prem channs recently.
now bb XL,tv M+ & phone unlimited.

my query is (sorry not about 100mb) it looks like for £20 activation i can be upgraded to 50 mb XXL. paying £37 a month for 20mb.

HAS ANY ONE USED THIS VM WEB BASED UPGRADE FROM XL TO XXL and only been charged £20 & presumably keep on paying £37 a month ???

it's a good deal till 100 mb arrives in HP1.

[Chrysalis]

Am I the only one thinking whats the point of 100mb exactly?

I mean Virgin only has 90,000 customers out of millions on 50mb. I would imagine 100mb having even less.

So why speand all this money to serve a small minority?

If Virgin Media were serious about competing with BT they would upgrade ALL 20mb customers to 50mb for free, and all 50mb customers to 100mb for free, and 10mb to 20mb for free too.

No thats not me being cheap but its hardly headline worthy launching a service only a small fraction of your userbase will even adopt.

I hope someone at Virgin Media does this. I mean if they can give 50mb as standard that would put the nail in BT Infinity before it even launches. Could you imagine the advertising posibilitys of saying we offer 50mb for £20 a month with the phoneline for £11,a much cheaper and faster service than BT Infinity?

Yeah sadly Virgin will always do things on the cheap whilst bleeding the customers dry.

I'm guessing this new tier will be XXXL?

that would be a very bad idea.

even if there is no takeup VM can brag about having the speed available.

[dsmuk]

More than 10,000 people signed up to Virgin Media's new 100Mb broadband service on the first day the cable company opened registration for the new product.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/oct/29/virgin-media-100mb-broadband

Wonder how many of these will turn into actual customers.

Also not sure if this is new...
The 100Mb service will initially be made available to a potential 200,000 homes and will be available to Virgin Media's entire cable footprint, covering up to 12.7m homes, by mid-2012.

[hemelvirgin]

Hi,

have put my details towards 100mb.

i used to be on vip 20 have removed all sky prem channs recently.
now bb XL,tv M+ & phone unlimited.

my query is (sorry not about 100mb) it looks like for £20 activation i can be upgraded to 50 mb XXL. paying £37 a month for 20mb.

HAS ANY ONE USED THIS VM WEB BASED UPGRADE FROM XL TO XXL and only been charged £20 & presumably keep on paying £37 a month ???

it's a good deal till 100 mb arrives in HP1.

150 say its an extra £8 a month for 50 meg. SO £45 A MONTH FOR 50 MB.

" i said no thanks"

(new customers its £28 (plus vm phone))

[BenMcr]

150 say its an extra £8 a month for 50 meg. SO £45 A MONTH FOR 50 MB.

" i said no thanks"

(new customers its £28 (plus vm phone))Yes it's £45 a month before discounts

The £28 price is after discounts:

£45 - £17 = £28

50Mbit is £8 more than 20Mbit

[hemelvirgin]

hi ben,

yes we have discounts BUT it is still £8 extra at the end of the day.

WHEN WILL THE DISCOUNTS BE INCREASED ??.

NEW customers have a GREAT DISCOUNT.

[BenMcr]

hi ben,

yes we have discounts BUT it is still £8 extra at the end of the day.

WHEN WILL THE DISCOUNTS BE INCREASED ??.

NEW customers have a GREAT DISCOUNT.I have no clue what you are on about.

New customer pay the same £8 increase to go from 20Mbit to 50Mbit

BB XL shows on the bill as £37 before discounts for everyone

Anyway, why are we discussing this in a thread about 100Mbit?

[cnewton2k]

so am i right in thinking that if you have got the 5meg upload speed then 100meg will be available not long after launch?

[Andrewcrawford23]

so am i right in thinking that if you have got the 5meg upload speed then 100meg will be available not long after launch?
the 100mb areas at launch are london south east and yorkshire

as far a i am aware tehre some area that have uplod boost but aint part of thoee areas

[Gavin78]

Well at the moment when I went to the website it just asked for my detials so there doesn't appear to be any date set at the moment

[Ignitionnet]

Well at the moment when I went to the website it just asked for my detials so there doesn't appear to be any date set at the moment

Same for everyone including those in the launch areas.

[Sirius]

I prefer 'Once upon a time' as a start to fairy tales to be honest.
.

:rofl::rofl:

[Bluffdemon]

Who needs 100mb ???? i am happy with 50mb Dam i am happy its just works hahahaha

[theoldbill]

Virgin Media, please bring 100Meg to Telford this December 2010, I want it for xmas.

Right now in Telford I'd like an up-to-speed 50meg service, could I ask what ubr (ahem, cmts) you're on and what part of town pls??

[General Maximus]

I think the whole thing is a joke. It is typical of VM to start offering something new before they have even finished delivering what they promised on the last product. This time 2 years ago when they started rolling out 50mbit they said it would go up to 2.5mbit up and they still havent got round to that yet. What will be interesting is seeing what 100mbit comes with on the initial roll out.

[Ignitionnet]

This time 2 years ago when they started rolling out 50mbit they said it would go up to 2.5mbit up and they still havent got round to that yet.

VM said nothing of the sort that would have been the rumour mill.

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What will be interesting is seeing what 100mbit comes with on the initial roll out.

It's already been announced as being 10Mbit. Same 10:1 ratio as the rest of the products will be.

Upstream uplift for 10, 20, 50Mbit will be completed before or at latest simultaneously with the 100Mbit release.

[|Kippa|]

I know 10mbit upload rate is great with the new 100mbit connection, I just wonder if there will be any futher increases in future of the upload rate. If upload rate enters the public consciousness and becomes a big issue do you think VM in the future might offer a faster upload rate?

I am not ungratefull, just wondering if in future if there is high demand for a faster upload rate, could VM offer a faster upload rate in future taking into consideration the current state of the network. I know the docsis 3 standards can offer like 100mbit up, I am just curious about the real world and the state of the network, what is the most they could possibly realistically offer?

[weesteev]

I know 10mbit upload rate is great with the new 100mbit connection, I just wonder if there will be any futher increases in future of the upload rate. If upload rate enters the public consciousness and becomes a big issue do you think VM in the future might offer a faster upload rate?

I am not ungratefull, just wondering if in future if there is high demand for a faster upload rate, could VM offer a faster upload rate in future taking into consideration the current state of the network. I know the docsis 3 standards can offer like 100mbit up, I am just curious about the real world and the state of the network, what is the most they could possibly realistically offer?

No point speculating really

[Ignitionnet]

Well the 200Mbit tier will almost certainly have a 20Mbit upstream speed.

What they can offer now is irrelevant. What they see fit to invest to deliver is the main thing. Without investment most areas wouldn't have been able to do 100M/10M but by 2011 that investment will have been made.

[General Maximus]

VM said nothing of the sort that would have been the rumour mill

They sure did, I remember reading an article at the time stating that although it was initially going to ship with 1.75mbit up, it would be increased to 2.5mbit upon completion of the rollout, and that was summer 2009. It is now the end of 2010 and despite the fact that I had a flawless 5mbit upload trial, it has now been removed for the sake of it and I am probably going to have to wait till Easter to get it back as part of the official rollout, at which point I'll be upgrading to 100mbit.

[BenMcr]

I know there were certainly suggestions it would happen, I think that was based on bonded upstream to go with the bonded downstream.

However nothing was ever officially confirmed, and it's probably likely that the priorities changed - especially once the BT Infinity products were announced

[jtaylor06]

Right now in Telford I'd like an up-to-speed 50meg service, could I ask what ubr (ahem, cmts) you're on and what part of town pls??
I've not noticed any problems, however am on 20 mb/s.
What speed are you getting?

[Ignitionnet]

They sure did, I remember reading an article at the time stating that although it was initially going to ship with 1.75mbit up, it would be increased to 2.5mbit upon completion of the rollout, and that was summer 2009. It is now the end of 2010 and despite the fact that I had a flawless 5mbit upload trial, it has now been removed for the sake of it and I am probably going to have to wait till Easter to get it back as part of the official rollout, at which point I'll be upgrading to 100mbit.

I remember reading a few articles stating that there were rumours and leaks that this would be the case and precisely nothing official from Virgin.

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I know there were certainly suggestions it would happen, I think that was based on bonded upstream to go with the bonded downstream.

However nothing was ever officially confirmed, and it's probably likely that the priorities changed - especially once the BT Infinity products were announced

It's a bit weird that bonding was even contemplated as being required for 2.5Mbps upstreams. Bonding 2 of the existing upstreams would give the same bandwidth as the newer DOCSIS 2 upstreams offer and 5Mbps is being shifted on that.

Bonded DOCSIS 2 upstreams coming soon though, maybe in time for 100Mbit/10Mbit rollout.

[Chrysalis]

bonded docsis2 is basically docsis3 right?
so would then be docsis3 both ways?

[pip08456]

bonded docsis2 is basically docsis3 right?
so would then be docsis3 both ways?

????????????????????

[BenMcr]

It's a bit weird that bonding was even contemplated as being required for 2.5Mbps upstreams. Bonding 2 of the existing upstreams would give the same bandwidth as the newer DOCSIS 2 upstreams offer and 5Mbps is being shifted on that.

Bonded DOCSIS 2 upstreams coming soon though, maybe in time for 100Mbit/10Mbit rollout.This is a guess, but maybe it was because they were looking to do it on the old upstream network, without all the work they are now doing?

[Ignitionnet]

This is a guess, but maybe it was because they were looking to do it on the old upstream network, without all the work they are now doing?

Would still need work, whether using a 6.4MHz upstream or bonding 2 3.2MHz upstreams you still need 6.4MHz.

[qasdfdsaq]

It's a bit weird that bonding was even contemplated as being required for 2.5Mbps upstreams. Bonding 2 of the existing upstreams would give the same bandwidth as the newer DOCSIS 2 upstreams offer and 5Mbps is being shifted on that.


Actually they'd have to bond 3. The existing 1.x upstreams are 10.24mbit/s, 2.0 upstreams are 30.72mbit/s

[Ignitionnet]

Actually they'd have to bond 3. The existing 1.x upstreams are 10.24mbit/s, 2.0 upstreams are 30.72mbit/s

I am grateful you took the time to try and correct a 2 week old post of mine though you're quite wrong and I suspect took this from Wikipedia ;)

That's the maximum performance sure, Virgin aren't using that they're using an upstream that is 20.48Mbit/s line rate and about 18Mbit/s usable, equivalent to two of the legacy upstream channels.

DOCSIS 2 upstreams can be 30.72Mbit, they are also anything that either uses a 6.4MHz channel width or uses SCDMA or 64QAM ATDMA. They even come in 10.24Mbit varieties, the channels fall back to 10.24Mbit QPSK if they can't support the standard 16QAM, there is no 64QAM on the network at this time.

I wrote a post that had the list of different levels of performance available somewhere, can't for the life of me find it.

Hope that makes sense.

[qasdfdsaq]

Whoops, sorry. Wasn't aware VM were going to stick with 16QAM on 5120ksym channels... There's my hopes dashed of having my upstream contention issue fixed with the speed uplift...

I'd just assumed that since upstream is a big bottleneck on the current HFC network they'd actually try to use the full capacity of the DOCSIS 2 upstreams being made available.

[Ignitionnet]

Whoops, sorry. Wasn't aware VM were going to stick with 16QAM on 5120ksym channels... There's my hopes dashed of having my upstream contention issue fixed with the speed uplift...

I'd just assumed that since upstream is a big bottleneck on the current HFC network they'd actually try to use the full capacity of the DOCSIS 2 upstreams being made available.

More work to do getting the networks 64QAM ready.

A few operators are actually running 3.2MHz 64QAM and bonding those in lieu of 6.4MHz channels. RF is more accommodating.

Some upstream services are being pushed quite hard, Videotron Canada are bonding 4 x 64QAM channels (http://www.cedmagazine.com/Blog.aspx?id=171465) to deliver their 120Mbps/20Mbps service (http://www.dslreports.com/archive?cid=16), a small Netherlands cable company are testing symmetrical 100Mbps (http://www.telecompaper.com/commentary/cai-harderwijk-first-with-symmetric-100mbps-service-over-docsis-3-network).

[|Kippa|]

Has the 100mbit rollout actually started and is active in some places, or is it just announced?

[Ignitionnet]

Has the 100mbit rollout actually started and is active in some places, or is it just announced?

Announced, the thread title could do with an update to 'Announced This Week'.