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Sickofvirgin
29-09-2009, 23:51
About 2 weeks ago today, I phoned virgin customer (ha ha ha theres a joke) care because I had broken my modem while moving the PC upstairs.
I got put through to some call center in some far away land, only to have to speak to Mr Flow chart.
I explained that I had broken the coaxial plug off the back of the modem by treading on it.
The complete threaded socket had snapped off.

Spent 20 minutes going through the drill of trying to get it to connect when I couldn't even plug the main coaxial lead into the modem.. Tried several times to explain this but he wouldn't listen so I just humured him with answers I knew he wanted. Eventually he decided it would be an idea to book an engineer which he did, plus he kindly refunded me £10 for the loss of service. What an idiot I thought laughing to myself.

Engineer turns up saturday 19th Sept to install modem. Explains to him what had happened with the call center which he wasn't surprised about.
He checked my signal with his multi-tester hand held, then installed my modem.
He went into the modem to check everything was okay, signal etc... phoned up to take it out of test and put it live only to tell me "there ya go matey, 10 Meg".

Erm, no said I, actually it should be 20. Oh he said, let me call up and see what's going on.
He phones up to tell me I've got two packages showing on my account, M and L.
He advises me to call customer services and talk to them.
Now while I've got his attention, I thought I would mention that the V+ box has been going blocky.. So out he comes with his hand-held again, checks the line and says, Hmm it's a bit low.. Let me check that.

So whiles he's outside tweaking, I get onto customer services, that way if needs be he can speak to them.
Well, I never did... What I got was some miserable scroat trying to tell me I am senile or something.

No sir, you have never been on XL (meaning 20 Meg).
Now I know diferent me love, I said, I've been with you since the days of 128k and every speed increase since that day to this, all barr the 50meg, I've had so I should know. She disagreed saying the system says diferent.
Ok I said, so when I've gone into my account online, typed in my post code and upgraded, I imagined it did I? When I phone up every 6 months and speak to someone here to get a better broadband deal price on 20Meg like I was told to do, I imagined it did I?
She argued black and blue till I asked for a manager..
Eventually she came back on telling me that he is refusing to speak to me.

I've had two or three arguments like that now.. I've emailed a complaint and am yet to get a response.

And now, since this new modem my speed tests have been showing down load of around 0.16meg.
Pages are slow to load, movies are slow, pictures come in like on 56k. It's pathetic.

They sent the engineer again who came last thursday and he comes in, does the same speed test, on the same site and Boom.. just over 19Meg... soon as he's gone.. back to crap again. Been like that from then to now.

I've had a new modem which I hooked up and did the activation for tonight but it's still the same and trying to get any help out of virgin even if you threaten to leave is no hope.

I've just had enough... from verbal from staff to crappy service.. It's hard work being a customer, it really is.

The best of it is the bull they spin you to take one of thier services.
Sky were offering me a free HD box, so I phone virgin to see what they could do for thier V+...
Basicly, long time customer.. sweet FA.
Phoned disconnections to say bye, I'm going over to sky and low and behold, they're pulling deals out thier asses.

Oh no, you dont want to go to sky, they dont maintain thier boxes after 12 months, we do and you don't own the box with sky but with us you do...
Yeah rite so how much?... got told £49 for the box, a month up plus something else.. total about £170... told him I couldnt afford that, and sky would do it for nowt... He then agreed to me paying it in 3 installments.

Later found out I do not own the box, got a whacking bill to be paid in one go and when I phoned up was told he shouldn't have done that, the price was also wrong... Complete and utter idiots.. every last one of them.

Can't trust a bloody word they say. I knew from the day I took that telly package there would be trouble. Can't manage more than one thing them lot and they even struggle with a simple broadband account it would seem.
Had the same problems, exactly the same attitudes when the were NTL.
Had problems with accounts, services, attitudes... Nothings changed.

Told them tonight, was on the phone to them yet again and said what are you going to do about it?
Broadband specialist. Appointment for a weeks time.
I told them it's not good enough. Unfortunately, I had my hands full with a shopping delivery that turned up while on the phone or they would have gotten what for.
Tomorow however, I will phone them and give them an unholy wrath of "if an engineer isnt on my doorstep bright and early in the morning working his ass off then me and my £51 per month are walking to SKY where I can be insulted for a substantially cheaper price, where I know why my broadband is only a lousey 6 meg and it's not an error".

I've had enough, I really have. I told the poor lad on the phone taking the brunt of it tonight, it's real hard work being a customer with you guys.
I'm doing all the chasing, and not one phone call enquiring whether things had been resolved or to look into my complaint. I said I feel like I'm being taken for a tw*t mate. I shouldn't be working to keep your business and doing all the leg work.. Naturally he didn't know what to say.

But seriously, it drives you nuts. Sorry for the long post but this seemed the only place it would be semi-appreciated and sympathised with.

I'm even going as far as logging in the modem and checking the signals myself now... FFS, this is an engineers job, not the customers.

All the signal tests the engineer did were nominal he said.
He tweaked about with the TV signal which was a bit low, but othwise everything was within normal parameters.

Perhaps someone could help me with my readings for my modem to confirm?
From what I've read these seem okay for upstream and downstream.
I'm not sure on the downstream, I think low is okay...

Downstream Info:
Downstream Lock : Locked
Downstream Channel Id : 6
Downstream Frequency : 402750000 Hz
Downstream Modulation : QAM256
Downstream Symbol Rate : 5360.537 Ksym/sec
Downstream Interleave Depth : taps32Increment4
Downstream Receive Power Level : 2.5 dBmV
Downstream SNR : 37.6 dB

Upstream Info:
Upstream Lock : Locked
Upstream Channel ID : 3
Upstream Frequency : 34000000 Hz
Upstream Modulation : QPSK
Upstream Symbol Rate : 2560 Ksym/sec
Upstream transmit Power Level : 41.0 dBmV
Upstream Mini-Slot Size : 2

It's the downstream receive power... now I read if it said 0 it didn't matter as strength could be guaged on signal to noise ratio which should be 30.0dB or higher which it is.
So I cant see any reason why my speed is so crappy. The modem is set to take 20meg as it says in the config here:

Network Access : Allowed
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000
Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 1600
Maximum Number of CPEs : 1

They're baffled and so am I and I'm not a VM technician. I repair PC's but the wiered and wonderfull world of ISP's is beyond my scope at the present.

I must say that the engineer who has been out has been brill. I give him his dues, he seems to have done all he could and was friendly. Infact, he couldn't beleive the way I was being spoken to by customer care.
Just a shame about the rest I've encountered over the past 2 weeks.

My advice, steer clear of virgin bloody media untill they hire people with decent attitudes and brains, better management..... At present, they stink. :dunce:

Heres the latest speed test for my aparently now 20 meg....
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/09/6.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Also tried other servers like in europe, paris etc like the engineer recomended when he pulled over 19meg out the bag that one time... Still all the same or there abouts.

Oh word of advice when dealing with vm technical support and low speed...
Always use speed test.net because it keeps a nice log of your results so that you can show them and use as evidence in fighting thier contract if they try and pull that stunt.
It also makes them look bad when they try and make you look like a **** and that you are lying or crazy or something.
I've done tests on other speed test sites as well and they are all the same kind of speeds.
I did that purely to shut them up because they moan about the speed test site you are using and try and blame that as un-reliable.
Also take screen shots like I did of other speed tests if no records are kept.

Also speedtest.net allow you to download your tests log in CSV format!!!!!

You will probably need it.

AbyssUnderground
29-09-2009, 23:56
The levels are perfect, so its some other issue sadly, most likely over-subscription.

highway1
30-09-2009, 00:25
if u got unlocked wireless internet next door might had download to ur ltd. that why speed might be low.

speed test go to london !

aiso some firewalls give speed problems.

Raistlin
30-09-2009, 06:51
I can't help solve your problems but I will say this.

I can understand that you've had some problems with the people that you've spoken to on the phone, and that you appear to be getting nowhere, but painting all VM tech support people with the same broad and abusive brush won't win you the sort of friends that you need to get proper advice on this (and by that I mean, the sort of friends who possibly just might work for VM, and who possibly just might come here in their own time, of their own free will, and without reward, purely so that they can help people like you with their problems and be a part of this community - and no, I don't work for VM ;) ).

Anyway.....that's my piece said.

:welcome: to Cable Forum, I hope that someone's able to help you get this sorted :tu:

---------- Post added at 06:51 ---------- Previous post was at 06:49 ----------

Oh, and I edited the naughty word that you accidentally placed within your post and which would certainly be against the Terms of Use of the forum too ;)

Sickofvirgin
30-09-2009, 17:28
I must say that the engineer who has been out has been brill. I give him his dues, he seems to have done all he could and was friendly. Infact, he couldn't beleive the way I was being spoken to by customer care.
Just a shame about the rest I've encountered over the past 2 weeks.


From my original post ;)

Sorry if anything I said was taken as offensive, I'm just getting really cheesed off now.

Phoned them again today and put it to them straight.
Either some one investigates it within the next 48 hours or I'm off to BT who will gladly fit me a line and have me up and running long before thier support specialist's aparently earliest apointment next week.
Told them I'm not paying what I pay per year for this kind of treatment and abuse from call staff.
I also said I'm not happy that the complaint I made on the 19th still hasn't been addressed either.

In the end, they managed to find another in house specialist who is aparently going to call me for definate this Friday at 11am.

Also to add, I connected up my lappy tonight and did some speed tests just incase after all this it was my own pc lol..
Results with laptop conected... 0.73 down and 0.53 (aprox) up.
So it aint that either.

Spoke to a friend and said what AbyssUnderground had suggested, but he said wouldn't that cause the signals (db levels) to be bad as well then if it was all being used up?

Anyway, I don't know what else to try. I've even swapped out the ethernet cables twice with new ones but no joy.
Can't be this end then surely?

dB Levels into the modem are ok (confirmed here and by engineer), cables are ok, modem has been swapped, speeds are low on laptop as well as pc so cant be a NIC or spyware etc realated. For one thing the laptop runs XP unlike the pc which runs vista and the lappy is mostly used internally and not on the net often at all and the chances of getting the same spyware infection on both when one is hardly used...

I have a vonage tunnel adapter because I have a phone line with vonage and have never had a problem before.. I have disconnected it and connected to the modem directly where it has been for some time with the same speed problems.

If it can't be anything to do with the above then the problem has to be elsewhere outside of my control.. It just has to be. Logic dictates it.

What ever remains no matter how improbable and all that.

So now I really fail to see what a specialist can do that I haven't?

They have already perfomed line tests and checked for maintenance interuptions but it is neither of them. Lines are okay and no maintenance interferance.

I wanted to have a go at learning to create iPhone apps since a week or so ago but things are so painfully slow loading like pages and videos, it's not worth it :(

pigpen
30-09-2009, 19:18
Spoke to a friend and said what AbyssUnderground had suggested, but he said wouldn't that cause the signals (db levels) to be bad as well then if it was all being used up?


Nah, it doesn't work that way.

How were your speeds before the unfortunate treading on modem incident?

And speedtest.net has never been the most accurate gauge of speed, I don't think I've ever maxed my connection on it but from newsgroups with 10 connections I get full speed no problems. You can try downloading some files from here http://gamefiles.virginmedia.com/blueyondergames/demos/ , download some of the 1GB files, 3 or 4 at once and add up their combined download speed. That should give you a more accurate test.

Sickofvirgin
30-09-2009, 19:38
Nah, it doesn't work that way.

How were your speeds before the unfortunate treading on modem incident?

And speedtest.net has never been the most accurate gauge of speed, I don't think I've ever maxed my connection on it but from newsgroups with 10 connections I get full speed no problems. You can try downloading some files from here http://gamefiles.virginmedia.com/blueyondergames/demos/ , download some of the 1GB files, 3 or 4 at once and add up their combined download speed. That should give you a more accurate test.

Hi matey, thanks for replying.

Before the modem incident they were fine. Never had cause to complain.
It's only been since the treading on modem incident and the argument with customer care about my speed that it's been like this.

I only really do speed tests when I upgrade or when there has been problems technical or administrative. All reports prior to the modem incident were fine.
Was getting well over 18meg last test I did some months back.
Which is why the argument ensued about them telling me I've always been on 10 meg when I should have been on 20. There acount shows I havent yet my past tests show otherwise.

My pings prior to this in online games were around 25 - 30 average for UK game servers normally but now they are around 200 or more. Pages were fast, pics loaded in a blink and online video was a breeze.

Now it's terrible.

Tried watching the Iplayer last night... forget that.. stutter, freeze, stutter freeze buffer.. lol

It would seem from reading through these forums that some people have had this kind of issue going on for as long as a year! So maybe over subscription is the cause after all.

If lines test ok and all the stuff my end is doing what it should, it's gotta be it.

I would agree with the speedtest point, but everything I do online is affected and very slow so I would say it's correct.
This is nothing like the surfing I used to get... no where near.

Right... quick edit... pages just sudenly improved loading speed wise, did another speed test and got this. Probably the best result to date since the engineer got his 19mb reading.

London:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/09/3.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Paris:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/09/4.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Coventry:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/09/5.png (http://www.speedtest.net)


So now I ask myself... what the hell is going on?

Got to be over subscription. Proof right there the line can do more but choses not to 95 or more percent of the time.
Not the best readings but better than before and I can tell the change. I knew it before I did the test.
Things were loading quicker, speedtest.net being one of them.

pigpen
30-09-2009, 19:54
It does sound like theres something fundamentally wrong somewhere. Logic would dictate that if it was fine and dandy before the modem swap and now it's all gone wrong that it's the modem thats at fault... wouldn't it?

caph
30-09-2009, 20:06
Those speeds could well be symptomatic of oversubscription. I had exactly the same thing and same symptoms. You could have been transferred from a non-oversubscribed ubr to an oversubscribed ubr when the modem switchover happened.

Check your ubr by clicking the "Connection" link at the top of this page. Then post on the newsgroup and ask if it is oversubscribed. You'll get a reply within 4 working hours. At least then you'll know if it is oversubscription or some other problem - most likely the modem as PigPen said.

Sickofvirgin
30-09-2009, 20:32
Just had another new modem matey... had original replacement saturday 19th when the probs started, then just had another sent out over the weekend which I received, fitted and activated last night. Not saying both modems couldn't be faulty but it would be real bad luck if it were.

And another test half hour later:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/09/2.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

I know speedtest.net is inacurate, but not this inacurate. My readings are all over the place lol.

I'm now deliberately testing with the speed test sites virgin itself recomend and ironically, speedtest.net was as of Jan 2009 the most favoured.
http://www.virginmedia.com/customers/speedtesters/

I'll grab my UBR and post it and see what comes back as I'm starting to favour the over subscription theory myself. and if it is, there seems little that can be done since virgin aren't likey to kick off customers to improve services to me lol.
Ironically again, I saw a virgin crew over the road today hooking up or preparing to hook up another house in our street. :(

Thanks for the help and advice so far guys, it's good to know I'm not alone in the dark banging my head against a wall.

PS.. where is this newsgroup I should post my UBR to.. I can't find it?

caph
30-09-2009, 21:12
You'll need to use Windows Mail on Vista or Outlook Express on XP. The newsgroup you're after is:-

virginmedia.support.broadband.cable

Sickofvirgin
30-09-2009, 21:34
Hmm I don't use newsgroups so I'm not sure what to do with that address.
I followed some google info which said to open windows mail, go to accounts and add new newsgroup... I added my display name, my email address and then it asked for NNTP address which I asumed was the one above...It adds sucessfully but after it tells me the server doesn't exsist.

A box pops up telling me Im not subscribed to any newsgroups in that account and would I like to view a list of available news groups. I say yes and it tells me the server could not be found.

joglynne
30-09-2009, 22:05
If you give me the start of your post code ie M41 I will go on the newsgroup and see if any one near you has been asking any thing about over subscription.

Sickofvirgin
30-09-2009, 23:16
Hi joglynne and thanks!

Post code is LE5....

Just thought I'd add that the best speed so far tonight is:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/09/1.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Still up and down though.
But it's not been this high since that engineer test.

joglynne
30-09-2009, 23:30
Ok, I've had a look and nothing much shows up. There were problems for LE5 in August as a result of a blown power supply, more recently someone in LE4 had a downstream power level problem and that's about it.

Sorry I couldn't track down anything that could help. It looks like you will have to post your full details on the newsgroup to get any information. :(

Sir John Luke
01-10-2009, 08:03
Hmm I don't use newsgroups so I'm not sure what to do with that address.
I followed some google info which said to open windows mail, go to accounts and add new newsgroup... I added my display name, my email address and then it asked for NNTP address which I asumed was the one above...It adds sucessfully but after it tells me the server doesn't exsist.

A box pops up telling me Im not subscribed to any newsgroups in that account and would I like to view a list of available news groups. I say yes and it tells me the server could not be found.

NNTP address is news.virginmedia.com

Sickofvirgin
01-10-2009, 10:03
Hi guys, and thanks for all the help!
Well touch wood, it would seem my speed has returnd (for now).
Been getting over 15 meg most of last night and this morning as well so far.
Won't hold my breath as to if it stays but it's a big improvement.

It's left me really baffled though.

I'm not sure it's cured completely yet but it's a start :)

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/10/86.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

shippo4
03-10-2009, 00:33
I can't help solve your problems but I will say this.

I can understand that you've had some problems with the people that you've spoken to on the phone, and that you appear to be getting nowhere, but painting all VM tech support people with the same broad and abusive brush won't win you the sort of friends that you need to get proper advice on this (and by that I mean, the sort of friends who possibly just might work for VM, and who possibly just might come here in their own time, of their own free will, and without reward, purely so that they can help people like you with their problems and be a part of this community - and no, I don't work for VM ;) ).

Anyway.....that's my piece said.

:welcome: to Cable Forum, I hope that someone's able to help you get this sorted :tu:

---------- Post added at 06:51 ---------- Previous post was at 06:49 ----------

Oh, and I edited the naughty word that you accidentally placed within your post and which would certainly be against the Terms of Use of the forum too ;)

In all fairness over the past 9 months I have made at least 50 calls, speaking to a different agent/tech each time and they were all equally useless. So I think it is fair to say Virgin Media has a serious knowledge gap.

The ONLY people worth talking to are the retentions team or the complaints team at head office. They are also the only people with any real power over your account.

LincsGuy2005
04-10-2009, 12:47
the complaints team at head office

Are there contact details for them? I have an outstanding complaint that is just being ignored;.

webcrawler2050
04-10-2009, 12:59
Since, this has happened since the new modem - maybe worth a modem change - also, ar eyou using wifi etc?

can you look at this thread: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/94/33653957-simple-self-test-steps-will-assist.html

And follow steps 4 & 5 - I take it, it's 'slow' 24/7 or is there time specifics?