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I'm on 20mb and only seem to get 1.5 - 1.6mb/s download.
I'm on 20mb and only seem to get 1.5 - 1.6mb/s download.
Not that i am aware of, I downed over a terabyte of data last month and was not reduced in any way and i am downloading at 48 meg at the moment. However you might be STM'd
Hmmm, possibly, but I don't download anything of substantial size during peak hours.
What is the maxed out d/l speed on 20mb?
I was downloading at 1.5mb/s on newsgroups and I tested d/l something else off microsoft and was getting 0.5mb/s. So a combined on 2mb/s. Surely it should be more than this?
Stabhappy
31-03-2009, 18:23
2.4MB/s - 19.6Mb/s
I can't actually download at 19.6mb/s or expect to get anywhere near that, surely?
deathtrap3000
31-03-2009, 18:35
Yeh they do throttle usenet.
Yeh they do throttle usenet.
I have never been throttled
In the pic below the average is low as i had just started that download
Yeh they do throttle usenet.
Do you have anything to back that up ?
Any suggestions on a different news server?
Stabhappy
31-03-2009, 18:45
I am currently using astraweb, but astraweb and giganews have both netted me the 19.6 figure, stable.
Do you have anything to back that up ?
Any suggestions on a different news server?
The pic i just showed you was from virgins own news service however i also use newshosting as well
Didn't see that there mate. Nice..
I'm using Newsbin as my indexer and Usenet as server. So change Usenet for Astraweb maybe?
Stabhappy
31-03-2009, 19:03
You'll probably save a fair amount too.
I've just plugged directly into the router. Got a 19.8mb/s 'score' on speedtest.net and only managed 2 - 2.5mb/s off newsgroups. Fair enough what time of the evening it is, but still. I'll try later with a bigger file.
Cancelled subscription to Usenet...
hope your not mixing up MBps with Mbps, 2.4MBps is roughly the same as 20Mbps
1MBps == 8Mbps (megaBYTE and megaBIT) :)
scu11y69
31-03-2009, 20:05
Yeh they do throttle usenet.
I WOULD AGREE THEY DO THROTTLE USENET I CAN DOWNLOAD only AT 4.5 MEG ON MY 50MB WHICH IS DISCUSTING!!! seems VM are now telling you where you can and cannot download from!!!!!!
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4816/59477891.jpg
Using 'Grabit', the 521MB file said it was to take 4 mins and from this you can see the speed I was downloading where it says 'download speed' where the small graph is.
2252KB/s /1024 = 2.199MB/s X 8 = 17.59Mbps :D
I WOULD AGREE THEY DO THROTTLE USENET I CAN DOWNLOAD only AT 4.5 MEG ON MY 50MB WHICH IS DISCUSTING!!! seems VM are now telling you where you can and cannot download from!!!!!!
then account for my speed in the pic above ?
or below just now
dilli-theclaw
31-03-2009, 20:19
The only time I've been aware of this happening is when I switched to offnet.
Use standard port get 80 / 100k - switch to non standard port and I get my full 850k
Never had a problem when I still had cable tho.
2252KB/s /1024 = 2.199MB/s X 8 = 17.59Mbps :D
Where does the x8 come from?
The times 8 is converting from megaBYTE (that your usnet client is reporting speed in) to megaBIT that ISP's sell their speed in.
1 BYTE is made up of 8 BITS Its just 2 different methods of reporting speed. The key to identifying which is which is look at the "b" is it capatal ("B")? if it is then it is a BYTE not a BIT :)
20Mbps cable internet is 2.5MBps (or 2560KBps)
it can bee confusing and i have many times got them the wrong way round :)
jamiefrost
31-03-2009, 21:01
then account for my speed in the pic above ?
or below just now
Looks like your going to run out of space :D
Which leads me to my next question...
Why am I not getting 19.56MB/s down ; )
Looks like your going to run out of space :D
No i move it to my media centre pc with a raid drive in it. :D
homealone
31-03-2009, 21:55
Which leads me to my next question...
Why am I not getting 19.56MB/s down ; )
could be several possible reasons
you are only using 5 connections to download, check if the server you download from can do more (astraweb does 20, for example)
the server you are downloading from can't cope with a higher speed
you have a router & are sharing the connection with someone else
your area has many subscribers & that is slowing things down.
- on topic, I have never been throttled downloading via usenet, except when I've triggered STM by accidently downloading too much during the peak times.
graf_von_anonym
31-03-2009, 22:26
Virgin Media do not distinguish between the ports or protocols that you download using in order to selectively manage elements of your connection. They almost certainly could, should they so desire, and they would almost certainly be legally able to do so under the Terms & Conditions, but, and this is the important thing, they don't. They don't have to. They (at the moment) don't seem to want to.
The Traffic Management procedures Virgin Media use are based on through bit rate as an average over a given window, which approximates to certain amounts of total download over a given period. They do not yet have a Protocal/Application/Routing Analysis Network Operation Inhibition Apparatus. They do have DPI equipment on the network, but not at a level that would allow them to target individual subscribers, because that's resource inefficient.
All that said, suck it up and stop complaining. I'm dreadfully sorry that you're not getting what you think you're paying for, but since what you seem to think you're paying for is carte blanche to download the same creative commons material and linux distributions again and again and again and again I've got little to no sympathy for you, because it isn't.
There are dozens of things that can slow your speeds down, and only a handful of them are where Virgin Media can affect them, and even fewer of them are things that involve changes Virgin Media can effect. Look at it this way - your posts on this forum give me reason to believe that you are regularly pirating copyright material and then complaining when you're not able to do so as quickly as you would hope, but obviously there are other explanations for your behaviour.
In this same way your evidence that Virgin Media are throttling newsgroups is solely that they are slow, which is a supposition. You have derived an ultimate cause solely from effect, with is poor practise. By such a measure I might hold all sorts of unflattering opinions about you and others who whinge on this forum but I'm not entitled to on the basis of the evidence presented. There's all sorts of other reasons you might be complaining, and those are more probable.
Of course you don't have to take my word for it. What I'm interpreting as an objective evaluation of evidence as presented might be the fever dreams of a lunatic, hallucinations brought upon by laudanum or simply the ravages of Branson-led indoctrination on my suggestible brain.
jamiefrost
31-03-2009, 22:52
No i move it to my media centre pc with a raid drive in it. :D
Have a nas drive tucked away in the corner, so very useful :D
Need to think about a HDD upgrade ...mmmm
Ignitionnet
31-03-2009, 22:58
While we're showing off our storage I have 2 machines each with 120GB on them and a further 2 with 160GB.
Downloading for me was so 2002 I guess ;)
When do we tell him no one was complaining, or at very least he missed the winky face which usually means a joke?
Where is the evidence that the Virgin network is slow? I'm pretty sure it was just proved that it is super fast and I do get what I am paying for.
You may hold unflattering opinions... Don't hold back now, it was just getting (mildly) interesting.
Ignitionnet
31-03-2009, 23:08
Which leads me to my next question...
Why am I not getting 19.56MB/s down ; )
Show me the bit of your contract that guarantees 20Mbit at all times and we'll discuss this ;)
Oh by the way here's my 20Mbit's usual peak time performance:
Date 31/03/09 20:30:35
Speed Down 12175.50 Kbps ( 11.9 Mbps )
Speed Up 715.65 Kbps ( 0.7 Mbps )
That's actually very good, it's usually sub-10 but you get the idea. None of us are guaranteed 20Mbit especially at peak times. To be honest 17.6Mbit is fine. Could even be your own Usenet supplier or something on the path to them being a bit slow.
Try the Giganews speedtest.
http://www.giganews.com/performance.html
Talking of Giganews I wish Virgin would sort their act out with regards to Giganews, my route to it goes on the following path:
VM Mortlake -> VM Croydon -> VM Poplar -> VM Amsterdam -> Giga
Nice and smooth and costs VM nothing as it's done over peering.
The path back is:
Giga -> Cable and Wireless Amsterdam -> C+W London -> C+W Leeds -> VM Leeds -> VM Poplar -> VM Croydon -> VM Mortlake
So either someone's messed up something or VM are intentionally using the Cable and Wireless link to ease loading on their own Amsterdam link, which is costing them money as they'll be paying C+W for the transit.
homealone
31-03-2009, 23:22
When do we tell him no one was complaining, or at very least he missed the winky face which usually means a joke?
Where is the evidence that the Virgin network is slow? I'm pretty sure it was just proved that it is super fast and I do get what I am paying for.
You may hold unflattering opinions... Don't hold back now, it was just getting (mildly) interesting.
check your post, the 'winky' you mention is shown as ; ) not ;) - very easy to miss that you were jesting, imo :p:
It was a joke...
Speed test on the desktop PC that's hard wired to the router gets 19.8 and my laptop upstairs in the study, wireless, gets 16ish now I've moved the router.
I can't complain for £1.50 a month, though.
graf_von_anonym
01-04-2009, 01:05
I was more annoyed by those ranting about things being "discusting". Though in truth like most things here it's displacement activity. Tonight, for sleep.
scu11y69
01-04-2009, 20:36
Show me the bit of your contract that guarantees 20Mbit at all times and we'll discuss this ;)
Oh by the way here's my 20Mbit's usual peak time performance:
Date 31/03/09 20:30:35
Speed Down 12175.50 Kbps ( 11.9 Mbps )
Speed Up 715.65 Kbps ( 0.7 Mbps )
That's actually very good, it's usually sub-10 but you get the idea. None of us are guaranteed 20Mbit especially at peak times. To be honest 17.6Mbit is fine. Could even be your own Usenet supplier or something on the path to them being a bit slow.
Try the Giganews speedtest.
http://www.giganews.com/performance.html
Talking of Giganews I wish Virgin would sort their act out with regards to Giganews, my route to it goes on the following path:
VM Mortlake -> VM Croydon -> VM Poplar -> VM Amsterdam -> Giga
Nice and smooth and costs VM nothing as it's done over peering.
The path back is:
Giga -> Cable and Wireless Amsterdam -> C+W London -> C+W Leeds -> VM Leeds -> VM Poplar -> VM Croydon -> VM Mortlake
So either someone's messed up something or VM are intentionally using the Cable and Wireless link to ease loading on their own Amsterdam link, which is costing them money as they'll be paying C+W for the transit.
could this explain why i can only download at 4.5meg instead ov 50mb from giganews????
I havent been capped on usenet...unless i did cross the Limit set between 4 and 9 lol
Ignitionnet
02-04-2009, 09:00
could this explain why i can only download at 4.5meg instead ov 50mb from giganews????
No, you're on 50Mbit which has been shonky for some people due to its' rushed rollout and hurried implementation. Rather than do it right VM are just doing it and are having to fire fight a bit fixing issues afterwards.
scu11y69
07-04-2009, 21:57
I have never been throttled
In the pic below the average is low as i had just started that download
aint you downloading from virgin media newsgroup im not suprised at all it will max u
topmantony
04-08-2009, 15:39
I'm on 20mb and only seem to get 1.5 - 1.6mb/s download.
yup they throttle i been on phone and got all the info and why they do it.
Throttled like hell on ADSL - 12kpbs. I do know why though, they just dont want me downloading at 2meg lol
dilli-theclaw
04-08-2009, 17:32
I get 6.5mb on my adsl with my newsgroups.
Im sure you do - after 1am though :-) or else you know something no one else does?
dilli-theclaw
04-08-2009, 18:13
Im sure you do - after 1am though :-) or else you know something no one else does?As I explained to you in your previous pm's.
After midnight - and up until 4pm.
The rest of the time I don't do any heavy downloading as it counts (or counted due to the new rules) towards their fup and thus you'd get a slow download anyway.
Man, i cant wait to leave virgin :-)
darkrage
09-10-2009, 23:32
i can confirm they will throttle if you dl 4gig at peak on 20mbps - just had a 5hr 1mbps cap - ive now read the throttling rules at length and cant wait until next saturday as i join 50mbps which has no throttling in place at present according to their guide. well im back upto half capacity now 10mbps - think i will stick to late night dls
deathtrap3000
10-10-2009, 00:14
On XL (20meg) you can download 7gig between 10am and 3pm and then 3.5gig between 4pm and 9pm. If you go over the limits you are capped at 5meg for 5 hours.
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