View Full Version : New XXL 50Mbps STM
telfordcable
18-03-2009, 16:55
VM are to release new STM on XXL 50Mbps pretty soon here:
Current - Subscriber Traffic Management details
Broadband size L XL XXL
Downstream Speed 10 Mb 20 Mb 50 Mb
Upstream speed 512 Kb 768 Kb 1536 Kb
Evening peak time management (7 Days a week)
Downstream
When does it apply? 4pm until 9pm
Threshold 1200 MB 3000 MB TBA
Percentage throttled (Up & Down) 75 % 75 % TBA
Throttle duration 5 Hours
Upstream
When does it apply? 3pm until 8pm
Threshold 700 MB 1400 MB TBA
Percentage throttled (Up & Down) 75 % 75 % TBA
Throttle duration 5 Hours
Daytime management (7 days a week)
Downstream
When does it apply? 10am until 3pm
Threshold 2400 MB 6000 MB TBA
Percentage throttled (Up & Down) 75 % 75 % TBA
Throttle duration 5 Hours
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TRIAL - Subscriber Traffic Management details
Broadband size L XL XXL
Downstream Speed 10 Mb 20 Mb 50 Mb
Upstream speed 512 Kb 768 Kb 1536 Kb
Weekday peak time management (Monday to Friday)
Downstream
When does it apply? 4pm until 9pm
Threshold 1200 MB 3000 MB TBA
Percentage throttled (Up & Down) 75 % 75 % TBA
Throttle duration Up to 7hrs (Released at 11pm)
Upstream
When does it apply? 3pm until 8pm
Threshold 700 MB 1400 MB TBA
Percentage throttled (Up & Down) 75 % 75 % TBA
Throttle duration Up to 7hrs (Released at 11pm)
Weekend peak time management (Saturday & Sunday)
Downstream
When does it apply? 11am until 9pm
Threshold 3000 MB 7500 MB TBA
Percentage throttled (Up & Down) 75 % 75 % TBA
Throttle duration Up to 10hrs (Released at 11pm)
Upstream
When does it apply? 10am until 8pm
Threshold 1400 MB 2800 MB TBA
Percentage throttled (Up & Down) 75 % 75 % TBA
Throttle duration Up to 10hrs (Released at 11pm)
Note: Virgin Media plans to introduce application-specific restrictions this year (2009) to target BitTorrent users. Such a move would mark a significant departure from its current policy of application-agnostic throttling.
Ignitionnet
18-03-2009, 16:58
Yes, we knew it was coming the boss said so a few months ago, though someone really needs to tell the person making that page that it's actually 53Mbit downstream and 1750kbit upstream.
Nothing in there about Broadband M, uplifted 2Mbit either which is odd.
Do you have the original source for this information? The public facing page has none.
telfordcable
18-03-2009, 17:03
Found it under here: http://abcde.co.uk/virginmedia/broadband-faq.html#q48
I think VM are so stupid to put STM on it because I remember Neil, the boss say there will be no STM on our superfast 50Mbps because you pay for the premium service ! So, if the STM come in, then it a big blow for many of them who fork out £50 a month for rubbish and misleading superfast of premium service. This is totally wrong !
Ignitionnet
18-03-2009, 17:10
Found it under here: http://abcde.co.uk/virginmedia/broadband-faq.html#q48
I think VM are so stupid to put STM on it because I remember Neil, the boss say there will be no STM on our superfast 50Mbps because you pay for the premium service ! So, if the STM come in, then it a big blow for many of them who fork out £50 a month for rubbish and misleading superfast of premium service. This is totally wrong !
That's not an official page, it's maintained by someone with no knowledge of VM's future policies. XXL and 'TBA' have been listed on there ever since the launch of the product, it's in no way indicative that 50Mbit STM is coming 'soon' or when it is coming.
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I think VM are so stupid to put STM on it because I remember Neil, the boss say there will be no STM on our superfast 50Mbps because you pay for the premium service !
Neil Berkett specifically said that there would be restrictions on the 50Mbit once the rollout was complete. It's not a premium price, 35GBP is not massively expensive relative to the other tiers which partly explains its' rubbish upstream.
telfordcable
18-03-2009, 17:16
That's not an official page, it's maintained by someone with no knowledge of VM's future policies. XXL and 'TBA' have been listed on there ever since the launch of the product, it's in no way indicative that 50Mbit STM is coming 'soon' or when it is coming.
---------- Post added at 17:10 ---------- Previous post was at 17:07 ----------
Neil Berkett specifically said that there would be restrictions on the 50Mbit once the rollout was complete. It's not a premium price, 35GBP is not massively expensive relative to the other tiers which partly explains its' rubbish upstream.
Ok fair enough, look like my area will the last one of the roll out completed before they put me on 50Mbps STM probably a week after completed roll out. The rest who had 50Mbps can enjoy non-stm for now until the completed in the summer 2009.
How come you metion £35 a month for 50Mbps ?
Can we have (speculative) appended to the title please?
telfordcable
18-03-2009, 17:20
Maybe Neil Berkett will going to relax some of STM soon after the roll out completed by giving the customers more usage allowance and reduce the time of STM on XL and XXL ?
Ignitionnet
18-03-2009, 17:28
Ok fair enough, look like my area will the last one of the roll out completed before they put me on 50Mbps STM probably a week after completed roll out. The rest who had 50Mbps can enjoy non-stm for now until the completed in the summer 2009.
How come you metion £35 a month for 50Mbps ?
Loads of areas yet to run, nothing to suggest yours will be the last.
My area was supposed to get the new equipment nearly a month ago though there are a few issues, the access network here struggles to maintain a very conservative upstream standard, the DOCSIS 3 recombining would cause nightmares.
---------- Post added at 17:28 ---------- Previous post was at 17:24 ----------
Maybe Neil Berkett will going to relax some of STM soon after the roll out completed by giving the customers more usage allowance and reduce the time of STM on XL and XXL ?
He personally won't do anything, whoever makes these decisions will. These decisions are based on usage patterns on the network, VM will offer as small an allowance as they can while staying inside that 5% of customers over the entire network simultaneously STM'd.
Dated 4th March and only posted on someone's website whose name is at the bottom of the page and as that person regularly posts on Digitalspy I find it strange nothing has been posted there either.
So as yet uncorroborated supposition with no official links to Virginmedia.
She is a regular on the VM newsgroup feeds too, well liked apparently.
How come you metion £35 a month for 50Mbps ?
Because XXL with a phoneline is £46 (http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/bb_deal_size_xxl.html) is why
Take away £11 phoneline rental = £35
Ignitionnet
18-03-2009, 17:48
She is a regular on the VM newsgroup feeds too, well liked apparently.
'Annie' hasn't posted on there in a long time, ever since he/she moved to Be.
'Annie' hasn't posted on there in a long time, ever since he/she moved to Be.
OK, she "was" a regular.
broadbandking
18-03-2009, 22:55
Ok fair enough, look like my area will the last one of the roll out completed before they put me on 50Mbps STM probably a week after completed roll out. The rest who had 50Mbps can enjoy non-stm for now until the completed in the summer 2009.
How come you metion £35 a month for 50Mbps ?
I am enjoying it thank you
Welshchris
18-03-2009, 23:48
i have seen so many people leave Virgin for other ISPs because of this STM and usually for Sky who doesnt offer any sort of STM on their higher packages. Admittingly its slower than Virgin being an upto 16mb service but from what have heard from many people its reliable and faster than VM 10mb and only costing £10 per month if u have sky TV and talk.
My sister gets between 9-12mb almost all the time for example with sky where on VM she was fed up of being STM because my nephew plays online games.
*sloman*
19-03-2009, 10:26
So 50MB will have close to 7.5GB to download in the day time =( could be worse like 3GB!!!!
Hum may still upgrade as 7.5GB is an ok amount 10GB woul have been better!
telfordcable
19-03-2009, 10:31
I think 50Mb could be target as 4Gb per day on the STM when it come out !
I think Virgin Media should scrap the upload as a bandwidth usage allowance on the STM.
So 50MB will have close to 7.5GB to download in the day time =( could be worse like 3GB!!!!
Hum may still upgrade as 7.5GB is an ok amount 10GB woul have been better!
You do realise that the link is is unofficial and that Virgin have not announced any STM for 50Mb at this time.
broadbandking
19-03-2009, 11:20
I am really not looking forward to the STM on 50Mb but o well if it happens it happens
telfordcable
19-03-2009, 11:23
I am really not looking forward to the STM on 50Mb but o well if it happens it happens
No ones like STM at all ! Exspecially all the tv streaming out now eg: you tubes, bbci player, itv catchup and five demand, and sky player etc. It will eat up all bandwidth quickly and then lose buffering on it when being throttling.
Ignitionnet
19-03-2009, 11:34
So 50MB will have close to 7.5GB to download in the day time =( could be worse like 3GB!!!!
Hum may still upgrade as 7.5GB is an ok amount 10GB woul have been better!
Hrm?
That's the 20Mbit / XL figures. There is no STM on 50Mbit officially nor on that link.
broadbandking
19-03-2009, 11:35
I think 50Mb could be target as 4Gb per day on the STM when it come out !
I think Virgin Media should scrap the upload as a bandwidth usage allowance on the STM.
Hows that when 20Mb has a 6gb limit in the day at the moment and in the trails there is no daytime STM on any package until its released I suggest you don't post your views of what STM might unless you have some hard cold fact you can back it up with.
You do realise that the link is is unofficial and that Virgin have not announced any STM for 50Mb at this time.
Yet ;)
To be fair STM trials are set to begin as soon as the 50Mbit rollout is complete.
The figure which was laid out (good few months ago now)
Was 12.5GB during 10am-11PM @ weekends.
9GB during 4pm-9pm weekdays.
With a 7.5Mbit throttle.
Stabhappy
19-03-2009, 13:34
If that's the case, I will _never_ get 50mb. Those limits are horrendous.
I would think they will throttle by 75% which is 12.5mb
As 10mb and 20mb is throttled by 75%
graf_von_anonym
19-03-2009, 15:57
Am I imagining that you've poorly copied and pasted a table here? When I look at the link that's credited as the source, all I see for 50Mb is TBA. Which would mean To Be Announced. Which would suggest that it has not yet been announced. Which would make this thread useless speculation predicated upon improper formatting, yes?
You would indeed be right. Nowhere has it been announced what the STM on 50Mbit will be or when it will be introduced
You would indeed be right. Nowhere has it been announced what the STM on 50Mbit will be or when it will be introduced
It's been known that it is going to be trialled as soon as the rollout is complete, those were neils own words ;)
Yup it will be but nothing has been announced as to when that will be or what levels will part of the trial
telfordcable
19-03-2009, 16:56
Why is STM throttle by 75% on all packages eg: L (10mb), XL (20mb) and XXL (50mb) it doesn't seem very fair !
should be like this:
L - 50% XL - 65% XXL - 75%
There is no STM on XXL!!!!
Everything you have posted for XXL says 'TBA' including how much the throttle will be!
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