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Media Boy UK
02-12-2008, 21:54
Virgin Media looks set to launch its 50Mb broadband on December 15 after inviting journalists to a mystery event.
Although the company has thus far declined to give a firm date for the launch of its 50Mb service, it has always maintained that it would be before the end of the year.
Now, journalists have been told to 'hold the date' on December 15 – where the company will almost certainly show off the fastest broadband in the UK.
http://www.techradar.com/news/networ...dec-15--490060 (http://www.techradar.com/news/networking/virgin-media-50mb-broadband-arriving-dec-15--490060)
Info from Techradar.
Gimme :D
any idea for upload speed ?? ?
Any idea how much it'll cost?
Media Boy UK
02-12-2008, 22:06
I only know what I have posted on this page.
broadbandking
02-12-2008, 22:19
Upload is set to be 1.75Mbit whilst been rolled out and should be increasing to 2.5Mbit once roll out is completed, price is £52, no special price will be given on this product either, the only people that got a special pricing are the trialist which will end in Feburary I think.
on in an hour!
02-12-2008, 22:22
Virgin Media looks set to launch its 50Mb broadband on December 15 after inviting journalists to a mystery event.
Although the company has thus far declined to give a firm date for the launch of its 50Mb service, it has always maintained that it would be before the end of the year.
Now, journalists have been told to 'hold the date' on December 15 – where the company will almost certainly show off the fastest broadband in the UK.
http://www.techradar.com/news/networ...dec-15--490060 (http://www.techradar.com/news/networking/virgin-media-50mb-broadband-arriving-dec-15--490060)
Info from Techradar.
i know a couple of areas that are set for that date but the country (or VM's coverage of the country) is on a staggered release,some areas havent even had a confimed date for UBR updates and the like yet.;)
broadbandking
02-12-2008, 22:28
i know a couple of areas that are set for that date but the country (or VM's coverage of the country) is on a staggered release,some areas havent even had a confimed date for UBR updates and the like yet.;)
The same with all upgrades they have to make sure once a area has been enabled that its got no faults and then they move to the next area I know Dudley had massive issues due to Dudley been a bad part of VM network
Upload is set to be 1.75Mbit whilst been rolled out and should be increasing to 2.5Mbit once roll out is completed, price is £52, no special price will be given on this product either, the only people that got a special pricing are the trialist which will end in Feburary I think.
Hows that apply to the full package price then ??
If that is the price, it is £15 a month more that the 20Mbit/XL BB
telfordcable
03-12-2008, 00:07
i had been told it will be 50mb ready for all uk nationwide on the monday, december 15th 2008 and i had been told there will be no need of nationwide roll out but need to sign up online on the 1th december to order 50mb called XXL at £52 a month with free router cable (support 50mb) and will be in a 12 months contract. The upload will be 1.2mb. Going up to 2.4mb in 2009. also been told that 50Mb will be STM (traffic management) 12 hours of 16Mb throttling.
Well that isn't right. Virgin have already stated there will be a staged rollout for a start. http://www.virginmedia.com/customers/upto-50mb-broadband.php
We’ll be bringing it to our cable customers region-by-region – and we’ll be posting the dates for each region on our website closer to the time. Keep your eyes peeled to our website for more details.
Staff have had no briefs on the product, so if you get told anything at the moment it is speculation on the agents part
broadbandking
03-12-2008, 08:17
i had been told it will be 50mb ready for all uk nationwide on the monday, december 15th 2008 and i had been told there will be no need of nationwide roll out but need to sign up online on the 1th december to order 50mb called XXL at £52 a month with free router cable (support 50mb) and will be in a 12 months contract. The upload will be 1.2mb. Going up to 2.4mb in 2009. also been told that 50Mb will be STM (traffic management) 12 hours of 16Mb throttling.
All wrong apart from the price, the upload is 1.75Mbit and will increase to 2.5Mbit in 2009, router has not been decided yet as they havent trialed it yet will do in the next few days and it will either be a Dlink or Netgear, as for traffic management this has not been decided.
So 50mb is going to be STM, what a waste of time getting it then.
broadbandking
03-12-2008, 08:43
So 50mb is going to be STM, what a waste of time getting it then.
Whilst its been rolled out NO, after been rolled out no one knows
zing_deleted
03-12-2008, 08:50
Whilst its been rolled out NO, after been rolled out no one knows
course we know lol after roll out it will be STM and then I am surmising not long after that application management will be switched one. Of course I am only guessing but I know VM well enough to know they will shaft us. To think if you search back to early this year I used to support VMs stance on STM but that changed when they went to STM nearly all hours of daylight
broadbandbug
03-12-2008, 11:40
i had been told it will be 50mb ready for all uk nationwide on the monday, december 15th 2008 and i had been told there will be no need of nationwide roll out but need to sign up online on the 1th december to order 50mb called XXL at £52 a month with free router cable (support 50mb) and will be in a 12 months contract. The upload will be 1.2mb. Going up to 2.4mb in 2009. also been told that 50Mb will be STM (traffic management) 12 hours of 16Mb throttling.
There will be a % of the network available for sales from mid December, then it will increase through Jan 09.. Then full rollout will complete in stages throughout the first half of 2009.
So there will be areas that don't have 50Mb/s until around June/July 09.
Zhadnost
03-12-2008, 11:41
Well then fingers crossed there will be an early version of the roll-out plan released in a couple of weeks.
There bound to stm it, who's going to pay that just to send e-mails. :)
telfordcable
03-12-2008, 11:54
I think 50Mb will be STM same as goes for 2Mb, 10Mb, 20Mb and 50Mb. VM will never going to axed the traffic management.
I prefer that VM would scrap speed cap and replace it with usage allowance cap like eg:
2Mb - 15Gb a month, 10Mb - 30Gb a month, 20Mb - 60Gb a month and 50Mb - 120Gb a month
broadbandking
03-12-2008, 12:12
That would suck because once you have hit those limits you will get charged or cut off, atleast with STM you can continue to download, not that I support STM but rather have it than a cap, I remember when NTL was set to release 10Mb with a 75Gb limit, that soon went.
I doubt VM will use STM on 50Mb but as David said they have been known to shaft people.
telfordcable
03-12-2008, 13:09
no, what i mean is once, they hit usage cap, download speed will be limit to 128k until next billing date to reset the usage and speed back to normal. I really hate STM because i hardly downloading anything and they throttling my 20Mb down to 3Mb is a joke !!! (oh VM - why they say 5Mb cap speed but cap me at 3Mb ?)
Zhadnost
03-12-2008, 13:12
If that's the case, there may be something more fundementally wrong with your service.
I sometimes hit STM, but always get 5Mbit when I do.
zing_deleted
03-12-2008, 13:21
That would suck because once you have hit those limits you will get charged or cut off, atleast with STM you can continue to download, not that I support STM but rather have it than a cap, I remember when NTL was set to release 10Mb with a 75Gb limit, that soon went.
I doubt VM will use STM on 50Mb but as David said they have been known to shaft people.
the only way they could sell me 50 meg on a contract would be if it was not subject to STM cuz the minute they do it id cancel my contract as its just not worth 50 quid. Lets face it anyone can get all they need outside STM even if that means a big queue and a nighttime download. No one needs 50 meg some may need the bigger upload but not 50 meg down
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There will be a % of the network available for sales from mid December, then it will increase through Jan 09.. Then full rollout will complete in stages throughout the first half of 2009.
So there will be areas that don't have 50Mb/s until around June/July 09.
so if your first you get 6 months then when its fully rolled out and they STM it you cancel as a change of terms ;) only any real use if your area is first though
I think 50Mb will be STM same as goes for 2Mb, 10Mb, 20Mb and 50Mb. VM will never going to axed the traffic management.
I prefer that VM would scrap speed cap and replace it with usage allowance cap like eg:
2Mb - 15Gb a month, 10Mb - 30Gb a month, 20Mb - 60Gb a month and 50Mb - 120Gb a month
No thanks. I download well over 60Gb a month and can't remember the last time I was hit by STM. STM can stay for as long as they want as far as I'm concerned since the alternatives are much worse.
If they introduced caps i would be off i much prefer the STM and knowing you can download pretty much what you want than pathetic caps.
telfordcable
03-12-2008, 14:09
I disagree. I think usage cap is better than STM. Many uk's isps using usage cap and it work out pretty well better than STM.
Come on VM - act now bring back usage cap and scrap STM.
broadbandking
03-12-2008, 16:11
I disagree. I think usage cap is better than STM. Many uk's isps using usage cap and it work out pretty well better than STM.
Come on VM - act now bring back usage cap and scrap STM.
So for example you have a mad download session for 2 weeks and go over your cap and they you cant use the internet for 2 weeks
I disagree. I think usage cap is better than STM. Many uk's isps using usage cap and it work out pretty well better than STM.
Come on VM - act now bring back usage cap and scrap STM.That just replaces one problem with another.
Once 50mb is fully rolled out and un-stm'd as promised by VM's bosses to the City, the 10 and 20mb tiers will be moved onto the same network as the 50mb tier freeing up oodles of bandwidth for the bottom tier. There is no reason then why VM should have any kind of traffic management at all. It was only brought in because the current network couldn't cope with demand. Having one or two frequencies for your entire broadband service was ridiculous.
But, as always there's a sting in the tail and I would expect the application management to be implemented then to quell the illegal downloading.
We'll all be able to download what we want then at any time of the day at maximum speed, just not the good stuff for free.:(
Either way web browsing seems slower now on 20 meg than it was on 2 meg years back, and i cant see 50 meg making browsing any faster, so for most people its going to be mainly for downloading.
Having seen the size of a blue-ray disc to download, that would be one of the few benefits of 50meg if your in a hurry.
no, what i mean is once, they hit usage cap, download speed will be limit to 128k until next billing date to reset the usage and speed back to normal. I really hate STM because i hardly downloading anything and they throttling my 20Mb down to 3Mb is a joke !!! (oh VM - why they say 5Mb cap speed but cap me at 3Mb ?)
That's madness mate having those download limits!! 60gig is nothing on a 20mbit connection, now if it was 500gig a month that would be better.
You could easly do 60gig in a 10 hour period ish on a 20mbit connection. I agree with Snoopz 500gig would be more acceptable. I do hope initially they release 50mbit with no stm. Even if it is only for a short while, it will be worth while for me.
The problem is, if everyone who gets 50Mbit hammers the connection 24/7 because they can, it's going to make Virgin consider whether to look at STM a lot quicker
broadbandking
04-12-2008, 09:52
You could easly do 60gig in a 10 hour period ish on a 20mbit connection. I agree with Snoopz 500gig would be more acceptable. I do hope initially they release 50mbit with no stm. Even if it is only for a short while, it will be worth while for me.
It is been released without STM
telfordcable
04-12-2008, 10:05
glad to hear that 50mbps will be without STM !!! If it all true after roll out complete, I may consider move to XXL 50Meg :)
glad to hear that 50mbps will be without STM !!! If it all true after roll out complete, I may consider move to XXL 50Meg :)
Well if you think that 120gig is a large amount then it could be a pointless upgrade for you.
VM's roll outs are a joke at best, my area in west midlands usually always near the last to be done. 50mb this time next year for me maybe then.
telfordcable
04-12-2008, 10:17
I hope 50Meg come to Telford first !!! he he he :)
I changed me mind now, I agree not to bring cap allowance usage as it pointless !!!
VM - bring on No fair use policy, Truely Unlimited, No more STM - because Sky Max 16Mb is now No fair use policy, no traffic management, no throttling and genuine 100% unlimited.
STM isnt that bad I've never been on STM for about 1-2 months I make sure I don't go over during peak times
Last 30 Days
(04.12.2008 to 05.11.2008)
Down 191.30 GB
Up 5.21 GB
Total 196.51 GB
It is been released without STM
*only for a short time.
STM isnt that bad I've never been on STM for about 1-2 months I make sure I don't go over during peak times
Last 30 Days
(04.12.2008 to 05.11.2008)
Down 191.30 GB
Up 5.21 GB
Total 196.51 GB
Where on earth do you store 200Gb of data every month? That's 2 and a half terabytes a year!!! And what is it all anyway, the entire doomsday book in hi
-res raw format?
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According to the Virgin 50Mb page "As we can only bring up to 50Mb broadband to customers using our fibre optic cable, this means that it won’t be available to customers in National areas.". Is there any area within the nation that isn't a national area? I think I know what they mean but whoever came up with that terminology needs to be sacked immediately!
whydoIneedatech
04-12-2008, 11:26
According to the Virgin 50Mb page "As we can only bring up to 50Mb broadband to customers using our fibre optic cable, this means that it won’t be available to customers in National areas.". Is there any area within the nation that isn't a national area? I think I know what they mean but whoever came up with that terminology needs to be sacked immediately!
Here is the link for Virgin National the new name for Virgin.net:sniper: lets get them shot:D
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/noncable.html
telfordcable
04-12-2008, 11:33
i rather not having national up to 8mb through bt rubbish copper wire as my exchange is too far 4 miles away. good job i had cable in my area.
broadbandking
04-12-2008, 12:17
*only for a short time.
Atleast for 6 months for the people who get it first :)
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VM's roll outs are a joke at best, my area in west midlands usually always near the last to be done. 50mb this time next year for me maybe then.
That is the area that is most likely to get it first
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STM isnt that bad I've never been on STM for about 1-2 months I make sure I don't go over during peak times
Last 30 Days
(04.12.2008 to 05.11.2008)
Down 191.30 GB
Up 5.21 GB
Total 196.51 GB
Thats alot of linux distros
Atleast for 6 months for the people who get it first :)
From what i know rollout of STM will start 6-12 months after rollout is complete yes when there is enough data to see how much usage people use, so if you want higher STM limits, leech away.
That is the area that is most likely to get it first
;)
Thats alot of linux distros
I do more than that in a day...but i dont download linux distros :D
broadbandking
04-12-2008, 13:14
From what i know rollout of STM will start 6-12 months after rollout is complete yes when there is enough data to see how much usage people use, so if you want higher STM limits, leech away.
;)
I do more than that in a day...but i dont download linux distros :D
Well thats atleast a good year of leech for the 50Mb users
Zhadnost
04-12-2008, 13:18
If they introduce STM at the same time as the upstream increase, then I don't think I'd be too bothered (unless the levels are silly).
Well thats atleast a good year of leech for the 50Mb users
It's a lot like an all you can eat buffet, there's only so much you can eat. 50mb is just for the greedy that will just pile their plate up even though they'll never eat it all. Totally pointless, for the money anyway.
If it was free then I'd convince as many people as I could that VM are the bees knees that they should go with them. But for £52 when things are tight and unsure for many people I think they might be asking for too much. So for the time being I'll keep telling people that VM just rip off merchants.
The people who'll benefit most are those households with multiple PC's, laptops and games consoles and that really seems to be the target audience, not some nerd sat with the connection to himself downloading the whole of Usenet.
Apparently i'll be receiving my new modem on Tuesday and my 50mb trial will begin. Just have to wait and see as it should have been a week or too ago originally.
The people who'll benefit most are those households with multiple PC's, laptops and games consoles and that really seems to be the target audience, not some nerd sat with the connection to himself downloading the whole of Usenet.
Are they thinking they'll be making money from the fact there there will be no STM or the speed of 50mb? What can 50mb do in a normal (realistic) household than a 20mb (with no STM) can't do.
Zhadnost
04-12-2008, 13:43
My broadband's bigger than your broadband.
(That will sell a fair few units in itself).
I personally can see use for usenet with a 50mbit connection. There is so much stuff on there. Having a faster upload would be a definite postive benefit, especially for my lovely 4v4 games of Supreme Commander, that game is in insane.
Welshchris
05-12-2008, 14:35
is there such a thing as broadband envy? lol
broadbandking
05-12-2008, 17:20
When I used the 50Mb I couldnt max it out on giganews
I personally can see use for usenet with a 50mbit connection. There is so much stuff on there. Having a faster upload would be a definite postive benefit, especially for my lovely 4v4 games of Supreme Commander, that game is in insane.Well, it looks like Newzbin is finished and eventually the American usenet providers, I think, will be directly targeted too. So get the stuff while you can.
Well, it looks like Newzbin is finished and eventually the American usenet providers, I think, will be directly targeted too. So get the stuff while you can.
Do you have any more info to back that up (I do believe you, just curious). Ta.
Well, it looks like Newzbin is finished and eventually the American usenet providers, I think, will be directly targeted too. So get the stuff while you can.
Usenet itself wont go anywhere, nor will the files uploaded to it.
All because newzbin has removed -alot- of its posts and is in trouble dont mean the rest will be, besides, that's why you download headers :)
Do you have any more info to back that up (I do believe you, just curious). Ta.Go to their website and have a look yourself, half the stuff is missing. They're getting sued by the American film studios.
Usenet itself wont go anywhere, nor will the files uploaded to it.
Sorry, but I don't share your confidence. Usenet was tolerated because internet speeds were never fast enough for anyone to get anything substantial from them. But that's all changed now. Hope I wrong, don't think I am.
Go to their website and have a look yourself, half the stuff is missing. They're getting sued by the American film studios.
I must admit things ain't as quick or full as it used to be. Have to find things on raw now more than ever. My link to it is on another page so I don't read the main frontpage (news) at all really.
Go to their website and have a look yourself, half the stuff is missing. They're getting sued by the American film studios.
Sorry, but I don't share your confidence. Usenet was tolerated because internet speeds were never fast enough for anyone to get anything substantial from them. But that's all changed now. Hope I wrong, don't think I am.
They tried (and failed) to shutdown another usenet provider just recently, do you remember that?
Just aint gonna in my opinion.
Newzbin has never been *great* anyway, missed a hell of alot of stuff.
Newzbin and their like brought a lot of unwanted attention and a fixed target for Usenet haters, if they do go down it will be beneficial for the future of Usenet and not the opposite.
As for providers going down, well if the worst happens at least two of the biggest have server farms in Europe now and I'm sure they'll move to Sweden if that's what it takes.
You can't kill Usenet, you can only chop off one of the thousands of re-growing limbs.
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That is the area that is most likely to get it first
And you get this idea from where I might ask? Considering the midlands is usually always near the last to get updated.
spiderplant
05-12-2008, 19:55
It's already announced that Dudley will get it first.
The midlands is a huge area with many regions of the VM network (12 if I've counted right), so different parts will get it at different times. Someone has to be first, someone last, most will be somewhere in the middle. That's life.
Do you have a link to the rollouts plz?
whydoIneedatech
05-12-2008, 22:00
Do you have a link to the rollouts plz?
Not published yet, looks like Monday the 15th is the day everyone will find out and remember the 10Mb rollout.
homealone
05-12-2008, 22:10
Not published yet, looks like Monday the 15th is the day everyone will find out and remember the 10Mb rollout.
I do remember the 10Mb-20Mb rollout & if anything like, this will definitely be a subject to avoid looking at...
first people will whinge until VM publish a schedule
then they will whinge because their area isn't yet included on the schedule
then when their area does have a tentative date announced they will whinge because it runs over the estimate.
Then they do get the service, they will whinge because it isn't what they expected ....
whydoIneedatech
05-12-2008, 22:17
I do remember the 10Mb-20Mb rollout & if anything like, this will definitely be a subject to avoid looking at...
first people will whinge until VM publish a schedule
then they will whinge because their area isn't yet included on the schedule
then when their area does have a tentative date announced they will whinge because it runs over the estimate.
Then they do get the service, they will whinge because it isn't what they expected ....
Only the British can whinge about virtually anything but still eventually accept the offering.
Only the British can whinge about virtually anything but still eventually accept the offering.
No, that is an English trait. :erm:
Are they thinking they'll be making money from the fact there there will be no STM or the speed of 50mb? What can 50mb do in a normal (realistic) household than a 20mb (with no STM) can't do.
thats easy, finally get to use a reasonable upload rate so it should allow you to run more PC,360,PS3 games servers to more of your friends and hopefully still leave enough upload bandwidth return path for smooth streaming of your early US "fringe/Hero's" Tv episodes streaming ;)
or get those cristmas videos remote uploaded to grannys IPTV server you gave her last cristmas a little faster, do a lot more video live streaming to and from your relatives/friends on the other side of the country/abroad,etc.....
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Go to their website and have a look yourself, half the stuff is missing. They're getting sued by the American film studios.
Sorry, but I don't share your confidence. Usenet was tolerated because internet speeds were never fast enough for anyone to get anything substantial from them. But that's all changed now. Hope I wrong, don't think I am.
you dont understand how Usenet works, its the old form of decentralised service, its just that most people are conned into thinking its a payed for service today, its not...and YOU CAN install your own personal Usenet server on your person computer TODAY....and share the content to whoever you like, just tell them about your server and give them peering/connection rights.
if every single zing ;) and Usenet crew were to setup their own user usenet servers for instance, and everyone on VM/here were to peer/connect with them/their Vm given Ip No. then all the offered content would stay inside the VM internal network and be available as long as its kept on YOUR personal (freeNAS!)PC servers HD's.
OC there are also P2p Usenet servers around (as there are P2p web servers etc)so it doesnt have to stay on just VM OC, and can potentially be faster than a single upload rate if you find the right moden day P2p based self contained usenet server app....
old school Usenet overview
http://tgos.org/newbie/general3.html
darkbeing
06-12-2008, 03:57
Any idea how much it'll cost?
too much
qasdfdsaq
07-12-2008, 12:34
Are they thinking they'll be making money from the fact there there will be no STM or the speed of 50mb? What can 50mb do in a normal (realistic) household than a 20mb (with no STM) can't do.
Well for one you can watch two HD TV channels at a time. iPlayer is coming out in HD for example. In an average student flat around here, with 5-12 people, most time spent in front of the TV is spent arguing about which channel somebody else wants to watch. With VOD I can just watch it on my PC instead.
Yet with the STM on the 20meg as it is now, I can watch it for about an hour before I become throttled. God forbid, two people streaming at the same time and you'll be throttled in 30 minutes, and at the 75% throttle it'll be too slow for concurrent use. One person wants to watch iPlayer? Another on Youtube? Third person uploading to Facebook? Fourth wants to download some stuff of iTunes? At 5 meg, you're screwed. God forbid if the other 4 people in the flat want to do anything on the internet like, er, study...
Yet with the STM on the 20meg as it is now, I can watch it for about an hour before I become throttled.
The highest quality iPlayer stream comes in at 800kbps (360MB / hour). The threshold for STM on 20meg is 3gig. I take it you're not studying maths.
qasdfdsaq
07-12-2008, 17:06
You'll see at the beginning of my post that I am emphasising HD, I don't use iPlayer (which suppodly only accounts for 1.2% of online video anyway, I was only using it as an example), but that will be coming to HD soon as well. Based on my current experiences the bandwidth use is around 4-6mbps, which makes 1.8-2.7 gigs an hour. That matches well with iPlayer HD's expected usage, which is around 4 meg. A good quality broadcast stream takes over 10mbps. Again I'm assuming I won't be the only person using the line so even if I'm only hitting 2 gigs the other 7 people in the flat combined will inevitably tip us over the 3 GB threshold anyway. And my point again, two people want to watch TV (iplayer or otherwise) for an hour? Throttle. Once throttled only one person can stream at any sane quality without being impacted by anyone else doing literally anything on the connection. So again, with VOD expanding so quickly, in a shared household the current 20 meg service is actually quite limiting.
Some interesting related info:
"Unless I misunderstood his remarks during the Q&A panel later, I believe he said we should see some HD content on the iPlayer "this side of Christmas," probably encoded at around 4Mbps."
"The BBC is starting [an SDTV] trial of 1.5Mbps H.264 on the iPlayer to Virgin Media's 10,000 50Mbps trial customers in Ashford, Kent."
"The BBC's view is that the minimum threshold bitrate for HD is >3Mbps (though it's interesting to note that their "true" broadcast HD content goes out at 16Mbps or higher)"
Virgin Media themselves admit that IPTV is now "driving network bandwidth" as a whole, and certainly everyone in my household uses it. When we can. If we're not throttled... 50 meg can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned.
saabmania2
07-12-2008, 20:05
so do we know when 20mb will go onto docsis 3 ?
Completely off topic but I like the Avatar...;)
broadbandking
07-12-2008, 20:28
so do we know when 20mb will go onto docsis 3 ?
It will start in January for the areas with 50Mb
saabmania2
07-12-2008, 21:24
Completely off topic but I like the Avatar...;)
i take it your talking about mine :D i thought it was fitting and i will try harder :angel:
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It will start in January for the areas with 50Mb
thanks that's good to know:)
It will start in January for the areas with 50Mb
which areas are those as i can not find anything on the vm website
qasdfdsaq
07-12-2008, 21:48
which areas are those as i can not find anything on the vm website
The info isn't available yet.
Also I don't think 20 meg is actually going DOCSIS 3 as much as it's just being switched over to the new gear and will still run DOCSIS 2 (after all, the modems don't support DOCSIS 3).
I don't quite get how this is supposed to improve performance, could anyone explain? It's still running on the same shared HFC, it'll be running the same slow DOCSIS 2 standard, so unless this change is a move in frequency to the new DOCSIS 3 bands, I can't see how it helps. Yet wouldn't moving 10/20mbps it to share the DOCSIS 3 bands slow the DOCSIS 3 50mpbs users down because the modems only run DOCSIS 2?
telfordcable
07-12-2008, 22:14
yes i do agree that my modem ambit only support docsis 1.1, 2.0 and will not support 3.0 ??
how is vm going to move 20mb to docsis 3.0 then we all faced alots of problem with unsupport docsis 3.0 in our modem, or maybe vm throw in a free modem that support 50mb ??
homealone
07-12-2008, 22:26
yes i do agree that my modem ambit only support docsis 1.1, 2.0 and will not support 3.0 ??
how is vm going to move 20mb to docsis 3.0 then we all faced alots of problem with unsupport docsis 3.0 in our modem, or maybe vm throw in a free modem that support 50mb ??
There are no plans to upgrade 20Mb to 50Mb, at the moment, 50Mb will be a separate product with a different modem that will be supplied when signing up for the 50Mb service at the increased subscription charge.
20Mb customers will continue using the same modems they have now, as this service will not move to docsis 3.0, yet.
Just curious about bandwidth costs for Virgin Media as an ISP. So far as the costs go, if they streamed IPTV with the source being within the Virgin Media ISP network would it cost significantly less as opposed to to streaming IPTV content that is not sourced via the internal network and connected to the outside internet?
Turkey Machine
08-12-2008, 01:04
yes i do agree that my modem ambit only support docsis 1.1, 2.0 and will not support 3.0 ??
how is vm going to move 20mb to docsis 3.0 then we all faced alots of problem with unsupport docsis 3.0 in our modem, or maybe vm throw in a free modem that support 50mb ??
You've completely misunderstood what's been written. 50Mbit customers will have a DOCSIS 3 modem. Everyone else has a DOCSIS 2 capable modem. The *infrastructure* (i.e cables, UBRs, gateways etc) is moving to DOCSIS 3 *which happens to be DOCSIS 2 compatible, but not DOCSIS 1, which is what is currently active*.
Read up on DOCSIS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS
actually, Docsis3 IS backward compatable all the way back to 1.0 Turkey Machine (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/members/53032.html)
yes i do agree that my modem ambit only support docsis 1.1, 2.0 and will not support 3.0 ??
how is vm going to move 20mb to docsis 3.0 then we all faced alots of problem with unsupport docsis 3.0 in our modem, or maybe vm throw in a free modem that support 50mb ??
what package of broadband are you on never got any where near that and i am on 20 meg al package
The info isn't available yet.
Also I don't think 20 meg is actually going DOCSIS 3 as much as it's just being switched over to the new gear and will still run DOCSIS 2 (after all, the modems don't support DOCSIS 3).
I don't quite get how this is supposed to improve performance, could anyone explain? It's still running on the same shared HFC,
it'll be running the same slow DOCSIS 2 standard, so unless this change is a move in frequency to the new DOCSIS 3 bands, I can't see how it helps.
Yet wouldn't moving 10/20mbps it to share the DOCSIS 3 bands slow the DOCSIS 3 50mpbs users down because the modems only run DOCSIS 2?
its pritty simple, all the NTL256/VM250 cable modems have Docsis2.0a chipsets but VM or those before them,never used the DS2.0a capabilitys, only DS1 to the other end of the wire (check your internal CM page logs,you will see thay getgiven a DS1.0 config file)and the UBR cards only talked DS1, the new UBR cards can obviously talk DS2.0B/DS3.0 and so can also do the old DS2.0a to the slower 20Mbit Cable modems DS2.0a chipsets then.
put simply, by moving all the NTL256/VM250's the new DS2.0B/DS3.0 infrastructure,means VM can finally talk DS2.0a (the old DS2) on the new DS2.0B/DS3 infrastructure.....
that means better potential bandwidth use and better upload rates if they see fit to rearange some channels etc, its been taked about, and for a long time in the other two long standing 50Mbit DS3 threads here....
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yes i do agree that my modem ambit only support docsis 1.1, 2.0 and will not support 3.0 ??
how is vm going to move 20mb to docsis 3.0 then we all faced alots of problem with unsupport docsis 3.0 in our modem, or maybe vm throw in a free modem that support 50mb ??
your modem will eventually be taking DS2.0a rather than the current DS1.0 its taking to your UBR card right now....
so you or rather VM, can finally start taking advantage of the DS2.0a spec your Ambit NTL256/VM250 chipset can do.
to be clear, they wont be talking DS2.0B/DS3.0, but talking the old DS2.0a and thats a big improvment over the old DS1.0 options, and they can only do this when they are moved over to the new DS3 and fully backward compatable infrastructure OC.
mojo8850
08-12-2008, 13:49
Hi There..
This is what I am told on my last talk with the tech side of virgin media..
20MB Users going to 50MB no charge same price as far as they are aware of, However there is the STM which will reduce it all the way down to 12.5MB once it has capped.
Which mean you loose almost 3 quaters of the line..
telfordcable
08-12-2008, 14:04
tech support got it all wrong information, the 20mb users will not going to be 50mb. it seperator as 50mb will be xxl and cost more than 20mb.
mojo8850
08-12-2008, 14:31
So we are assuming there will be a cap, if so we loose 3 quaters of the line..
Why pay so much but not get the line your suppose to get
just been told 2 differnet things 1 from india 50meg will be £47.50p
1 from uk it is going to be a free upgrade , that was from a man who is waiting for it
him self
broadbandking
08-12-2008, 15:06
The price is £52.00 STM wont introduce for awhile and I have heard it will be capped down to 12Mb after you have downloaded something like 15Gb
I heard that if your good Santa will bring you it for free this Christmas. :p:
I have a friend who works at Liverpool and he doesn't know.
What he does know is this:
He doesn't know, customer service doesn't know, TSC - Digi- Telco agents don't know and neither do their respective team leaders. The above also applies for those in Pune, Deli, Scotland & Swansea.
I'm sure those that work for VM who post here can also confirm that they don't know either. I guess we'll know when its released or just before ;)
broadbandking
08-12-2008, 15:14
It has been said that it will be a new tier
Yep, heard that too amongst other things.
I do remember the 10Mb-20Mb rollout & if anything like, this will definitely be a subject to avoid looking at...
first people will whinge until VM publish a schedule
then they will whinge because their area isn't yet included on the schedule
then when their area does have a tentative date announced they will whinge because it runs over the estimate.
Then they do get the service, they will whinge because it isn't what they expected ....
I think we can add the speculation of price and STM here Gaz :D
Does anyone know what areas will be available in December, if so will Lincoln be one of them ?
Sorry if this has already been asked I did skip through
:LOL: Gaz you soothsayer
GarryP I'd bookmark Evenfaster (http://www.virginmedia.com/evenfaster)
This is where all the other speed uplifts have been published in the past.
qasdfdsaq
08-12-2008, 16:23
You might also want to bookmark
http://www.virginmedia.com/customers/upto-50mb-broadband.php
can you preorder this as i seen xxl in the upgrade broadband section of my account
The price is £52.00 STM wont introduce for awhile and I have heard it will be capped down to 12Mb after you have downloaded something like 15Gb
It was some one from overseas that told me it would be £47.50,
broadbandking
08-12-2008, 17:58
They would be the very last too know
whydoIneedatech
08-12-2008, 18:07
It was some one from overseas that told me it would be £47.50,
That is the price we charge for the wireless router including £7.50 delivery charge.:D
Turkey Machine
08-12-2008, 18:22
It's amazing the amount of bulls**ting goes on in call centres. :D
As an aside, could this be merged with the *other* 50Mbit thread? ;)
Does anyone know what areas will be available in December, if so will Lincoln be one of them ?
Sorry if this has already been asked I did skip through
As previously posted, i'm due to receive my new modem tomorrow and start a 2 month trial, from what i understand the roll out will begin sometime after this trial, although i'm not 100% sure. As for price i was told the price has not yet been decided and i would be informed of the price during the trial period.
broadbandking
08-12-2008, 23:23
It has been decided, its £52 unless they decide last time but as I have been told by my friends in VM that its already on the system for the trials @ £52 so I think they have decided just not released it yet.
put simply, by moving all the NTL256/VM250's the new DS2.0B/DS3.0 infrastructure,means VM can finally talk DS2.0a (the old DS2) on the new DS2.0B/DS3 infrastructure.....
Does that mean better security as well?
Guys a 50mb is a waste of money unless you are a heavy downloader downloading illegal stuffs via torrents :D:D:D:D
Zhadnost
09-12-2008, 09:09
I'm tempted by it for the increase in upstream.
broadbandking
09-12-2008, 09:42
1.75Mbit aint bad but its terrible ratio that should be the upstream on 10Mbit
Zhadnost
09-12-2008, 09:52
It's still more than twice the rate I get on 20Mbit.
Upstream is one of the reasons as to why I won't migrate to 20Mb business...my 10Mb has a 700Kb upstream but the 20Mb has only a 1Mb upstream :(
Maybe the upstream will always be this way ie, poor?
telfordcable
09-12-2008, 10:29
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/news/EkkllEkulZjXNLeERz.html
It now been confirmed by VM that 50Meg will be ready on Monday, December 15th but still no word yet if it was a national roll out complete or for those (200 customers) who are on the 2 months trial free 50Meg before a roll out start in late February 2009.
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/news/EkkllEkulZjXNLeERz.html
It now been confirmed by VM that 50Meg will be ready on Monday, December 15th but still no word yet if it was a national roll out complete or for those (200 customers) who are on the 2 months trial free 50Meg before a roll out start in late February 2009.
I've just received an email asking how i want to receive my new modem, courier or engineer install, so i guess it not coming today then as expected.
"Up to 50Mb broadband is to be previewed in the Dudley, Huddersfield and Warrington regions, these are among the first regions selected to receive the 50Mb broadband service."
telfordcable
09-12-2008, 10:44
oh damn it ..... wish Telford is selection regions, Telford is ALWAYS the last regions to upgrade ! Not fair.
mojo8850
09-12-2008, 11:13
Halifax Is ?
Guys a 50mb is a waste of money unless you are a heavy downloader downloading illegal stuffs via torrents :D:D:D:D
Torrents :o:
I wouldn't waste my time on those, newsgroups on the other hand potentially over 5mbps downloads!
broadbandking
09-12-2008, 13:05
Torrents :o:
I wouldn't waste my time on those, newsgroups on the other hand potentially over 5mbps downloads!
My mate has the trial and giganews gave him something like 20Mb speeds 2.3Mb and lower
My mate has the trial and giganews gave him something like 20Mb speeds 2.3Mb and lower
On 50Mbit? sounds about right for VM, upgrade to 50 just to get the 20Mbit you wanted :p:
And for anyone wondering, giganews has no problem doing 200+mbit in experience ;)
Torrents :o:
I wouldn't waste my time on those, newsgroups on the other hand potentially over 5mbps downloads!
I agree - I thought with Torrrents your download is only going to be as fast as other people's uploads - so not much diff to 20Mb
tempted to try 50Mb as a newsgroup user, and then maybe cancel after one year if STM is brought in (although ATM my newsgroup useage stops/starts because it is downloading faster then can be written to disc) - might need new computer methinks
....the downloading should be fine even on a old computer. But, depending on what software you use, if its decoding and joining at the same time, then you're PC may be struggling. A cheaper option to getting a new PC, could be just to add more memory?
broadbandking
09-12-2008, 16:36
Also depends on the speed the drive can write the data
do not think it will be the 15th december this year nation wide , might just
be some areas
I agree - I thought with Torrrents your download is only going to be as fast as other people's uploads - so not much diff to 20Mb
tempted to try 50Mb as a newsgroup user, and then maybe cancel after one year if STM is brought in (although ATM my newsgroup useage stops/starts because it is downloading faster then can be written to disc) - might need new computer methinks
I think you people need to join better torrent sites if you cant get maxed out? i happily pull 10MB/s on most torrents.
broadbandbug
09-12-2008, 19:10
Does that mean better security as well?
Yes, BPI+ & DMIC (google it)
I think you people need to join better torrent sites if you cant get maxed out? i happily pull 10MB/s on most torrents.
Since when? unless you are paying to get that speed there is not a free torrent site out there that will give you what you say.
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With regards to 50mb, from what I have seen with my 20mb not even the vast majority of streaming sites can keep up and these are low quality wait for full HD streaming it will pause all the time to buffer and its not down to slow internet speeds its down to the provider not being able to send the information across quick enough.
I wouldn't waste my money on 50mb until it is more widely support by out side sources
Since when? unless you are paying to get that speed there is not a free torrent site out there that will give you what you say.
---------- Post added at 20:29 ---------- Previous post was at 20:24 ----------
With regards to 50mb, from what I have seen with my 20mb not even the vast majority of streaming sites can keep up and these are low quality wait for full HD streaming it will pause all the time to buffer and its not down to slow internet speeds its down to the provider not being able to send the information across quick enough.
I wouldn't waste my money on 50mb until it is more widely support by out side sources
Yes there is,i'm a member of one which most of the time maxes out my 20mb.
telfordcable
09-12-2008, 20:31
I wouldn't waste my money on 50mb until it is more widely support by out side sources
Fair say !!!
Since when? unless you are paying to get that speed there is not a free torrent site out there that will give you what you say.
There is plenty, even TL seeders give out those sort of speeds.
Many european sites like hdbits can give out 10+Mbit speeds.
ScT you can get those speeds, if your on sites like demonoid, bitmetv etc then you should expect slow speeds.
With regards to 50mb, from what I have seen with my 20mb not even the vast majority of streaming sites can keep up and these are low quality wait for full HD streaming it will pause all the time to buffer and its not down to slow internet speeds its down to the provider not being able to send the information across quick enough.
I wouldn't waste my money on 50mb until it is more widely support by out side sources
This is a myth, most sources can easily handle streaming on a 20Mbit connection, most of the time it is down to poor routing if it cannot, get to better sites?
Infact.
Turkey Machine
09-12-2008, 20:41
[QUOTE=Fatec;34693466]There is plenty, even TL seeders give out those sort of speeds.
Many european sites like hdbits can give out 10+Mbit speeds.
ScT you can get those speeds, if your on sites like demonoid, bitmetv etc then you should expect slow speeds.
This is a myth, most sources can easily handle streaming on a 20Mbit connection, most of the time it is down to poor routing if it cannot, get to better sites?
Infact.
MOD:Oversized image removed
What kind of connection are you ON?! I'd kill (as in genocide) for that kind of upload. Max I get at the university off-peak is about 5MB/sec.
What kind of connection are you ON?! I'd kill (as in genocide) for that kind of upload. Max I get at the university off-peak is about 5MB/sec.
100Mbit Sysmetrical.
I max out at 11.2MB/s both ways.
And for people who thinks its just a random speed burst that will drop.
Turkey Machine
09-12-2008, 20:54
Seedbox I take it. ;)
Seedbox I take it. ;)
Nope.
Home connection, have FTTH with orange in paris actually :)
Only back in UK for xmas so having to VNC in.
Can people PLEASE not link to oversized images and use the ATTACHMENT feature instead.
Yes, BPI+ & DMIC (google it)
Well, if 10meg gets put onto Docsis2+ as well then VM's network will not only benefit from improved infrastructure but also less bandwidth raping by cloners. This place could be significantly quieter in future :).
Roll on 2009.
*sloman*
09-12-2008, 23:14
Fatec
Do you own the rights to the 'Dark knight'? this a public forum!!! i would blank that. lol!!
Oh man i cant wait for the free loaders to be kicked of this is why i think Derby area has such **** speeds.
Can this BPI+ or DMIC be broken or has it already in the USA?
We have always been ripped off in this country when it comes to broadband, we pay so much for less and this will be no exception, bring on STM forever!
telfordcable
11-12-2008, 10:46
Yep I agree .... I am been rip off with VM poor speed on 20Mb for £26 a month before downgrade to 2Mb speed and the speed lots faster than 20Mb but paying only £10 a month.
This country love 2Mb broadband not the 20Mb or 24Mb !!! Back to old day.
Virgin Media looks set to launch its 50Mb broadband on December 15 after inviting journalists to a mystery event.
Although the company has thus far declined to give a firm date for the launch of its 50Mb service, it has always maintained that it would be before the end of the year.
Now, journalists have been told to 'hold the date' on December 15 – where the company will almost certainly show off the fastest broadband in the UK.
http://www.techradar.com/news/networ...dec-15--490060 (http://www.techradar.com/news/networking/virgin-media-50mb-broadband-arriving-dec-15--490060)
Info from Techradar.
do not think it is 50 meg broadband , just enquiryed about it and mention
the 15th , they told me there no plans to launch it for sometime ,that was from uk call centre
General Maximus
11-12-2008, 12:17
I know that websites and journalists are free to say/report whatever they want but there is too much hype around for it not to be true. If you google virgin 15th december and see all the results for everyone claiming the 15th will be the release date, although they are all reporting the same thing, there are too many of them doing it and if virgin arent planning to launch on Monday they would have said something by now so that we all don't get our hopes up.
It is like news people saying Tescos are giving a free bottle of wine to everyone customer tomorrow, it might not be true but Tescos would have to let everyone know that to avoid disappointment.
Cableminow
11-12-2008, 12:54
*rushes off to the Tesco store aimlessly*
The thread title is............TRUE ;)
zing_deleted
11-12-2008, 13:32
Is that nationwide? and if so does the roll out come with STM as that was said to be implemented once full rollout is done
Hmmmm.........
YES ITS TRUE :)
Aparently the STM will not be applied for the first few months of the launch.
Unlikely to be nationwide, will be staged rollout.
AFAIK STM is not on at lauch. Is going to be considered once rollout is complete
The thread title is............TRUE ;)
i have just had a phone call from VM about another matter , and spoke
to 2 people and they both said that 50meg is not launching on the 15th
they have no idea when it will be and the one was from techincal support
think he was from secondline support as he knew more that the usual people
that answer
General Maximus
11-12-2008, 13:52
as much as I want 50mbit asap i dont see how they can do a nationwide rollout on the 15th unless they are expecting a very small % uptake. The thing which you have got to think about is how they are going to manage things from their end with regards to shipping new modems and stuff to people. If i remember correctly only something like 9% of virgin customers are 20mbit users so maybe they think only 3% will be 50mbit which will be alright i suppose, it might not be too much work for them.
Realisitcally though, if you were planning to release a new service you would do it area by area (as much as i hate the thought of waiting) because it is the only way you can manage equipment demand and monitor the level of service and load on the ubrs etc etc.
So as much as i would love them to announce 50mbit on Monday (early xmas present :) ) I cant see them doing it. If they do the whole thing is going to be one big mess and we'll be waiting for our modems to arrive this time next year.
i have just had a phone call from VM about another matter , and spoke
to 2 people and they both said that 50meg is not launching on the 15th
they have no idea when it will be and the one was from techincal support
think he was from secondline support as he knew more that the usual people
that answer
I'm special ;)
Seriously, I know what I'm on about
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So as much as i would love them to announce 50mbit on Monday (early xmas present :) ) I cant see them doing it. If they do the whole thing is going to be one big mess and we'll be waiting for our modems to arrive this time next year.
No-one has said it is going to be a full national launch. I would expect it to be confirmation of the price, bundles and initial avaliable areas
Unlikely to be nationwide, will be staged rollout.
AFAIK STM is not on at lauch. Is going to be considered once rollout is complete
To be fair, it's not going to be *considered* once rollout is complete.
STM has always been on the table for 50Mbit, it will come, they are doing it once rollout completes to make sure there wont be problems and so they can work out some sort of data usage survey, of course none of that matters if they just go for the 10GB limit b/w 4-9 as planned.
Sorry, I did mean considered as in considered what rules of STM to apply.
zing_deleted
11-12-2008, 14:03
To be fair, it's not going to be *considered* once rollout is complete.
STM has always been on the table for 50Mbit, it will come, they are doing it once rollout completes to make sure there wont be problems and so they can work out some sort of data usage survey, of course none of that matters if they just go for the 10GB limit b/w 4-9 as planned.
that is tolerable enough
Sorry, I did mean considered as in considered what rules of STM to apply.
I know but i just couldnt help myself :p:
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that is tolerable enough
If you enjoyed being ripped off lol.
zing_deleted
11-12-2008, 14:14
yeah but I have access in the day and @50meg you can download what 20 gig an hour is it? one hour of downloading a day at that speed is plenty for me anyway. I am not going to get it anyway there is no way I am paying 50 quid for my net
When ever they launch the 50mb, I would like to know how it going to work.
As if they upgrade you straight away, wouldn't you be without internet till the new modem comes by post or engineer.
Unless they don't upgrade you till you phone up to have the MAC addy changed or the engineer phone up to have it done
The upgrade won't happen until you get the new modem.
I'm special ;)
Seriously, I know what I'm on about
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No-one has said it is going to be a full national launch. I would expect it to be confirmation of the price, bundles and initial avaliable areas
ben
why are you special ben are you friends with mr b
It is launching on the 15th December as there have now been a couple of VM staff on this thread confirming the date :)
telfordcable
11-12-2008, 16:10
VM manager had told me that XXL price will be £30 for the first 6 months then £47 there after if I upgrade next year in June 2009. See here: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33642875-what-a-shocking-read-here.html#post34694626 on the post #7
General Maximus
11-12-2008, 16:39
that is a genious idea because it gives all the skeptics a chance to try it out for what it is and then if they like it they can pay full whack for it. It is good thinking on their part otherwise they would be inundated with complaints if they tied people to 12 month contracts only to find out that they couldnt receive the full 50mbit.
joglynne
11-12-2008, 16:48
It is launching on the 15th December as there have now been a couple of VM staff on this thread confirming the date :)
........and reported on 10th December (yesterday)
Although it hasn't exactly been a well-guarded secret, Virgin Media (Nasdaq: VMED - message board) CEO Neil Berkett confirmed this morning that the U.K.'s largest cable operator will launch its Docsis 3.0-based, 50 Mbit/s wideband service next week.
Berkett, speaking at the UBS Global Media and Communications Conference in New York, said Virgin Media will introduce the 50 Mbit/s (downstream) tier to about half its homes by next week and will offer it across the board by June.
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=169148&site=cdn
I do wonder about the statement that "Virgin Media will introduce the 50 Mbit/s (downstream) tier to about half its homes by next week" though.
General Maximus
11-12-2008, 17:37
well i hope it is true. Although many people report speed/connection issues I have never had a problem getting my max speed in Lincoln and when I whinge about Lincoln never being a trial area the dudes in the know say that it is because there are never problems in my area and they need to make sure new stuff like 50mbit works in the over subscribed areas etc etc, so bearing that in mind I am hoping that my area is going to be one of the areas it is going to be available in next given that they shouldn't be anticipating any problems. I would think that it is only going to be the high usage areas they might need to hold back on till next year so they have time to do whatever upgrades they need to.
well i hope it is true. Although many people report speed/connection issues I have never had a problem getting my max speed in Lincoln and when I whinge about Lincoln never being a trial area the dudes in the know say that it is because there are never problems in my area and they need to make sure new stuff like 50mbit works in the over subscribed areas etc etc, so bearing that in mind I am hoping that my area is going to be one of the areas it is going to be available in next given that they shouldn't be anticipating any problems. I would think that it is only going to be the high usage areas they might need to hold back on till next year so they have time to do whatever upgrades they need to.
No problems in lincoln? thanks for making me laugh!
Speeds are atrocious in lincoln, it's worse than dial up in some of the areas.
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=169148&site=cdn
I do wonder about the statement that "Virgin Media will introduce the 50 Mbit/s (downstream) tier to about half its homes by next week" though.What is there to wonder, the product is launching to 50% of the homes that are on net and by June 2009 it will be fully rolled out. They did the same with the 10MB when it changed from 1MB if I remember correctly.
well i hope it is true. Although many people report speed/connection issues I have never had a problem getting my max speed in Lincoln and when I whinge about Lincoln never being a trial area the dudes in the know say that it is because there are never problems in my area and they need to make sure new stuff like 50mbit works in the over subscribed areas etc etc, so bearing that in mind I am hoping that my area is going to be one of the areas it is going to be available in next given that they shouldn't be anticipating any problems. I would think that it is only going to be the high usage areas they might need to hold back on till next year so they have time to do whatever upgrades they need to.
the 50MB works off DOCSIS 3 and should not be affected by the problems experienced on the lower tiers which are on DOCSIS 2.0 and also why it will be rolled out to roughly half the network next week and the whole network by June 2009. They have also been trialing the service for a long time to make sure it all works properly.
General Maximus
11-12-2008, 18:39
Fatec do you like in Lincoln? I honestly never have any problems and can pull over 2mb/sec pretty much any time during the day or week. The time i notice slow down is Friday evening when it drops to 13mbit and I can live with it for a couple of hours.
Stephen I know it is going to be on docsis and they have been trialling it for a while to iron out the problems. The reason I said what I did is because Lincoln has always been one of the last areas to be upgraded when they went from 3 to 10 and 10 to 20 and we have never been a trial area and when I asked why i was told it is because our area is a very good area and they need to play around with the poorer areas to make sure they fix all the problems.
I just hope that when they roll it out on Monday that they have enough staff to manage the demand and I can sign up straight away and get my modem by Wednesday or Thursday. I hate waiting for stuff when I know I have ordered it.
Fatec do you like in Lincoln? I honestly never have any problems and can pull over 2mb/sec pretty much any time during the day or week. The time i notice slow down is Friday evening when it drops to 13mbit and I can live with it for a couple of hours.
Stephen I know it is going to be on docsis and they have been trialling it for a while to iron out the problems. The reason I said what I did is because Lincoln has always been one of the last areas to be upgraded when they went from 3 to 10 and 10 to 20 and we have never been a trial area and when I asked why i was told it is because our area is a very good area and they need to play around with the poorer areas to make sure they fix all the problems.
I just hope that when they roll it out on Monday that they have enough staff to manage the demand and I can sign up straight away and get my modem by Wednesday or Thursday. I hate waiting for stuff when I know I have ordered it.
Used to live just as your coming into lincoln, right next to south park, was a few years ago but from everyone i know the service has not improved, the state of the network in lincoln is pretty poor.
If you search google or select sites you'll see most of lincoln is very poor and in serious need of upgrades.
Lincoln wont have 50Mbit for a while yet.
on in an hour!
11-12-2008, 19:02
It is launching on the 15th December as there have now been a couple of VM staff on this thread confirming the date :)
it is coming on the 15th your right stephen,i do know where but am not at liberty to say (sorry). but as to the national roll-out it will be a structured roll-out almost franchise to franchise as oppose to headend by headend.e.g. Bolton has its date yet 2 other franchises off the same headend are still at the t.b.a. stage.
its not just a question of 'tweeking' a ubr or installing new gear at source and away you go!.there are many areas where if 50meg was launched now it simply wouldnt work due to the noise on those areas,as a consequence the network guys are working on the local cabinets in areas with a launch date to remove the noise,and this would have to then be made a rolling maintenance job to ensure the noise levels are kept at an acceptable level.;)
Zhadnost
11-12-2008, 19:03
They may not have been referring to network capacitance, they may have been talking about things like quality of cable in the ground.
greeninferno
11-12-2008, 19:17
Is it safe to assume that areas which have already had analogue switched off will be first ?
Or is it further dependant on which previous franchise the area is part of ?
Or both ?
:confused::confused:
zing_deleted
11-12-2008, 19:28
it is coming on the 15th your right stephen,i do know where but am not at liberty to say (sorry). but as to the national roll-out it will be a structured roll-out almost franchise to franchise as oppose to headend by headend.e.g. Bolton has its date yet 2 other franchises off the same headend are still at the t.b.a. stage.
its not just a question of 'tweeking' a ubr or installing new gear at source and away you go!.there are many areas where if 50meg was launched now it simply wouldnt work due to the noise on those areas,as a consequence the network guys are working on the local cabinets in areas with a launch date to remove the noise,and this would have to then be made a rolling maintenance job to ensure the noise levels are kept at an acceptable level.;)
well I am glad I aint a mod anymore in that case as wait till monday and there will be thousands of posts say why cant I get it yet. Good luck mods lol
on in an hour!
11-12-2008, 19:43
well I am glad I aint a mod anymore in that case as wait till monday and there will be thousands of posts say why cant I get it yet. Good luck mods lol
stop trying to wind em up zing,people only need to read my post,or mods can quote it (its official,ive seen roll-out schedule) if i didnt know better id say you were after a bit of banter!! :D :D
Zhadnost
11-12-2008, 21:13
Now why on earth did you want to admit that you'd seen the rollout schedule.
Queue floods of, 'do you know when it's coming to ....'. (In PM if nowhere else.)
General Maximus
11-12-2008, 21:19
I am going to be good and not ask. I am just happy knowing that there is a list, at least it shows progress
Now why on earth did you want to admit that you'd seen the rollout schedule.
Queue floods of, 'do you know when it's coming to ....'. (In PM if nowhere else.)
Considering 50Mbit is only ready to launch on the 15th at Warrington, London and Dudley before the real nationwide roll out starts in March 2009 i doubt it really matters if he has seen the rollout sheets, cuz everyone is still gonna have to wait :p:
General Maximus
11-12-2008, 21:22
poo, I am going to spend all weekend crying now, I was starting to get excited. I wouldnt call that a launch, I would call that an extended trial. I wonder how long it is going to take them to update http://www.virginmedia.com/customers/upto-50mb-broadband.php
poo, I am going to spend all weekend crying now, I was starting to get excited. I wouldnt call that a launch, I would call that an extended trial. I wonder how long it is going to take them to update http://www.virginmedia.com/customers/upto-50mb-broadband.php
Thats what the press conference is for, they are announcing that they intend on updating their customer portal to say that 50mb is coming soon :D
poo, I am going to spend all weekend crying now, I was starting to get excited. I wouldnt call that a launch, I would call that an extended trial. I wonder how long it is going to take them to update http://www.virginmedia.com/customers/upto-50mb-broadband.php
Suprised you want it so much.
Poor upload speed, multitasking will still be kind of impossible, get a few t hings going and it'll slow to a crawl due to poor upload speeds.
STM coming with heavy limits.
High price.
Cant wait to go back home, UK net depresses me :D
General Maximus
11-12-2008, 21:34
tbh I was more than happy with 10mbit at the time and although i have no probs reaching 20mbit and I appreciate the faster download speed, I wanted 20mbit for the increased upload speed. I like to maintain a high seed ratio with my torrents and it is very hard to do when you can download so much so quickly and then it takes forever to upload it again. As with 20mbit, I want 50mbit for the increased upload speed, it is going to half the amount of time it takes for me to upload stuff. Any increase I see in download speeds will be a plus.
tbh I was more than happy with 10mbit at the time and although i have no probs reaching 20mbit and I appreciate the faster download speed, I wanted 20mbit for the increased upload speed. I like to maintain a high seed ratio with my torrents and it is very hard to do when you can download so much so quickly and then it takes forever to upload it again. As with 20mbit, I want 50mbit for the increased upload speed, it is going to half the amount of time it takes for me to upload stuff. Any increase I see in download speeds will be a plus.
The modem used in the trials has drop out issues with torrents :o:
zing_deleted
11-12-2008, 21:41
stop trying to wind em up zing,people only need to read my post,or mods can quote it (its official,ive seen roll-out schedule) if i didnt know better id say you were after a bit of banter!! :D :D
No mate ive seen it before and actually I got banned from this forum for being a git when they introduced 3 meg. We will get hordes of posts of people who do not want to wait but have you just you wait and see. You seeing the roll out schedule and not dishing info is teasing
it is coming on the 15th your right stephen,i do know where but am not at liberty to say (sorry). but as to the national roll-out it will be a structured roll-out almost franchise to franchise as oppose to headend by headend.e.g. Bolton has its date yet 2 other franchises off the same headend are still at the t.b.a. stage.
its not just a question of 'tweeking' a ubr or installing new gear at source and away you go!.there are many areas where if 50meg was launched now it simply wouldnt work due to the noise on those areas,as a consequence the network guys are working on the local cabinets in areas with a launch date to remove the noise,and this would have to then be made a rolling maintenance job to ensure the noise levels are kept at an acceptable level.;)I am one of the staff members I was referncing, lol. Although I don't know the rollout plans. ;)
broadbandking
12-12-2008, 18:49
Suprised you want it so much.
Poor upload speed, multitasking will still be kind of impossible, get a few t hings going and it'll slow to a crawl due to poor upload speeds.
STM coming with heavy limits.
High price.
Cant wait to go back home, UK net depresses me :D
Fatec your normally right but I have seen someone who is on the trial Host a game on COD 5 Torrent with the upload going at 92Kb/s or more and someone surf the web all at the ame time with no problems, so your wrong on that part
does COD 5 use tcp or udp for its data exchange,and at what average rate ?
torrenting at 92Kbit/s still leaves something like 75/80Kbit/s for random single person web browsing, if thats pulling CF type pages, thats plenty for allowing full return Acks. assuming the new 1.75Mbit upload rate and the UBRs/cards not over subed yet ;)
and OC VM are going to allow small (or perhaps not so small right now)micro bursts well above the set rate in average trial usage....
Stabhappy
12-12-2008, 21:11
downloading and uploading at the same time (torrenting) would have a negative effect on the speed though.
downloading and uploading at the same time (torrenting) would have a negative effect on the speed though.
as per the ratio i spoke about above, you take them both in to consideration, we are talking about the used upload rate here, due to the download rate being far higher OC....
unless the torrent download, the COD5 AND the random web page pulling were anywere near the 48/50Mbit download rate at the time, then we are only concerned with the used upload rate, if its within the set rate for the average time then download will not be effected from the CM/UBR POV.
the VM techs and people that only see the 50Mbit/s headline without understanding the requirement for ballanced upload ratio, were insisting that the old 1.5 Mbit/s upload rate was good enough to pull full 50Mbit/s tcp downloads, and good enough for them as they dont upload :rolleyes: (you do ,every time you pull something using tcp)
its not good enough for 50Mbit/s download, as maxing out the download will require 1.87Mbit in return tcp ACKs....
its got nothing to do with torrenting as such , you could use UDP for torrents and remove most of the tcp ACK ovehead for instance, its everything to do with using any TCP related apps to the max speed your package is allowing you to use and pay for and the ACKs that requires in upload rates.
Stabhappy
12-12-2008, 21:40
is the 1.87 figure involving ack supression? seems a little high.
back of the envolope generic windows ack settings, and ethernet frames, not allowing for any special settings or overhead in cable DS additions to the frames or any other potential additions , generic ethernet best case to be fare....
broadbandbug
14-12-2008, 10:03
Well, if 10meg gets put onto Docsis2+ as well then VM's network will not only benefit from improved infrastructure but also less bandwidth raping by cloners. This place could be significantly quieter in future :).
Roll on 2009.
Could not agree more!:)
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i have just had a phone call from VM about another matter , and spoke
to 2 people and they both said that 50meg is not launching on the 15th
they have no idea when it will be and the one was from techincal support
think he was from secondline support as he knew more that the usual people
that answer
There will be a big fanfare on Monday.. So not alot of people in VM know about it yet.. However it was made viewable from internal intranet sites on Friday.
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Considering 50Mbit is only ready to launch on the 15th at Warrington, London and Dudley before the real nationwide roll out starts in March 2009 i doubt it really matters if he has seen the rollout sheets, cuz everyone is still gonna have to wait :p:
Absolute Tosh! There will be around a dozen areas launched this side of Christmas then up to 50% of areas in Q1 then remainder by beginning of Q3 09.
Sir John Luke
14-12-2008, 10:21
The Beeb seems to have a low opinion of VM's Warrington customers.
"The service will be rolled out throughout 2009 and it is thought that Warrington will be the first place to be upgraded because of the density of Virgin customers in the area."
Roll on tomorrow thats all I can say :)
Lets hope Hemel Hempstead (Luton UBR) is not left till last.........
I need my 50MB FIX!!! ;)
(Anyone with the low down on the rollout, a PM would be nice ;))
Lets hope Hemel Hempstead (Luton UBR) is not left till last.........
If they follow the 10Mb rollout plan then Luton was about 3/4 way down the list
Zhadnost
14-12-2008, 11:01
Well hopefully we will see the initial rollout plan tomorrow.
C'mon Southampton (something I've never called before).
General Maximus
14-12-2008, 11:01
that is what I am worried about as well. Lincoln was about 2/3 of the way down as well. It would be nice if they did the people who were last last time first this time just to make things fair.
If they follow the 10Mb rollout plan then Luton was about 3/4 way down the list
I agree Kymmy, same with the VOD rollout as well.
Ah well at least we wont be last, well lets hope not :)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7776139.stm
Article on the BBC website today
Billy-Bob
14-12-2008, 12:29
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7776139.stmArticle on the BBC website today
I saw that earlier...and now it's gone from the BBC Technology page (but still accessible from the above link). Maybe someone at Virgin saw it and told the Beeb to take it down?
[quote=Rik;34696445]Roll on tomorrow thats all I can say :)
Lets hope Hemel Hempstead (Luton UBR) is not left till last.........
I need my 50MB FIX!!! ;)
(Anyone with the low down on the rollout, a PM would be nice ;))[/quote
Only 1 hour 45 miniutes till the 15th so not long to know how it is being rolled out, and which area get's it first , and who has to wait, i do no mind waiting a bit myself
ufitm
Well, has it! has it!! ;)
It's unlikely they'll put the pages up until after the press conference ;)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7776139.stm
Article on the BBC website today
I saw that earlier...and now it's gone from the BBC Technology page (but still accessible from the above link). Maybe someone at Virgin saw it and told the Beeb to take it down?
It's back on the Technology page, and the front page (also currently in the 'Latest' ticker)
Full details of the package will be unveiled at a media event in London on Monday.
Click Here to read more! (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/technologynews/3725888/Virgin-Media-to-launch-fastest-broadband-in-Britain.html)
Just saw the front page of Cable Forum:
Virgin Media’s Chief Executive, Neil Berkett, told investors at a UBS conference in New York last week that the new 50Mbps service will be ‘premium priced’ and also said he saw no reason to ‘go cheap’.
I really do hope they don't stick STM on the 'premium' service, not now, not ever.
Ooooo Exciting stuff this 50mb Action isnt it? :D
id like to think rumours are true, but no-one knows :o
VM are officially launching 15th December - only certain staff were told - who were then told to tell everyone.. pointless really.
Only other info ive been told was it were to be £10.00 extra per month for our staff contracts (who currently pay 1.50/mo for 20mb)
Only reason id get 50meg? = bragging rights :D haha sad init?
heres hoping theres gonna be mega upload, no stm and free broadband for everyone...
Cheekykid
15-12-2008, 04:02
Credits to VM for their 50mb product but the upload speed is pathetic. It should be no less than 5mb.
broadbandking
15-12-2008, 08:19
It will be 5Mb when channel bonding on the upstream has been introduced
It will be 5Mb when channel bonding on the upstream has been introduced
So, that's the 32nd of Never then?
broadbandking
15-12-2008, 08:47
q3 or q4 of 2009
DocDutch
15-12-2008, 08:49
well just checked on the website.... its a bloody £52 p/m for 50meg :(
stairpotato
15-12-2008, 08:53
Self upgrade available now.
Just not in my area.
Bugger.
Self upgrade available now.
Just not in my area.
Bugger.
How did you find out it not in your area ?
How did you find out it not in your area ?
I was thinking that
http://browneyonline.co.uk/imagehosting/images/371_Capture.JPG (http://browneyonline.co.uk/imagehosting/images/view-371_Capture.JPG)
Mine just says there is no higher package.
*NThell only atm*
well just checked on the website.... its a bloody £52 p/m for 50meg :(
I'd strongly advise you to delete that attachment and re-upload the image minus your e-mail address.
Edit: Infact - just done it for you.
tomw|neowin
15-12-2008, 09:14
Posted and linked back to you guys :)
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/12/15/virgin-to-launch-50mbps-service-for-uk-customers-today
stairpotato
15-12-2008, 09:16
How did you find out it not in your area ?
Because self upgrade is now available online.....so I tried it....but it's not currently available in my area.....
Because self upgrade is now available online.....so I tried it....but it's not currently available in my area.....
You on NTL? Seems its not up for ex-by users yet.
Hi,
I just logged into the self help on Virgin Media site and click to upgrade Broadband speed.
Picked 50mb and click go, then it went to a page with a link saying: order or register for more info I click that then told not available in my postcode area
stairpotato
15-12-2008, 09:24
You on NTL? Seems its not up for ex-by users yet.
Yep
looks like its unavailable for me down SOuth near Brighton, i have the option to upgrade but then says not available when clicking links
I've got reloadevery (firefox extension) reloading the upgrade.do page every 5 seconds in its own little tab, as soon as I See the title change from "Sorry, no fur.." I'll know its up for ex-by/tw.
well just checked on the website.... its a bloody £52 p/m for 50meg :(
it was on the website but taken off now, spoke to customer service,
they do not even know it happing today but one person told me before i was cut off it was happing in warrington and wolerhampton so the thought without looking up any thing, so you people in those to places might be luckly, i hope your are ,
Zhadnost
15-12-2008, 09:41
It's still on the self upgrade part of the site, takes you to a page to register your interest.
It's nice to see they've actually been doing something behind the scenes though, I hated watching that "blueyonder.co.uk/evenfaster" to see when we were getting 20!
This is what comes up on mine now, yet early on it
showed the upgrade at £52 pounds but could not go past that page,
Sorry, no further upgrades available!
Your existing package is Virgin Media broadband Size XL
Unfortunately, there are no additional Broadband options available to you at present.
This is what comes up on mine now, yet early on it
showed the upgrade at £52 pounds but could not go past that page,
Sorry, no further upgrades available!
Your existing package is Virgin Media broadband Size XL
Unfortunately, there are no additional Broadband options available to you at present.
I get the 2nd message, but I don't even see the £52 upgrade, grr maybe I should log out and log back in!
It's still on the self upgrade part of the site, takes you to a page to register your interest.
can you please post the link you have for me to try, are you ex ntl or ex t/w
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I get the 2nd message, but I don't even see the £52 upgrade, grr maybe I should log out and log back in! tried it a few times but no change
All i could do was register my interest.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2008/12/41.jpg
"£52, are they having a laugh, are they having a laugh" :D
General Maximus
15-12-2008, 10:19
They must have changed it because I can't find any sign of it anywhere now :(
It just logged in to self help again and click upgrade broadband speed (or what every it says) and it there, this time I register my interest
Postcode check results
Sorry, your home is not eligible for 50Mb broadband.
General Maximus
15-12-2008, 10:32
same here, and I have registered my interest. I am not confident though because I remember doing it with 20mbit and I never heard a peep out of them
Welshchris
15-12-2008, 10:33
Download Failed (1) (http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bbupgradelm1.jpg)
according to this i can upgrade mine now and not just register my interest.
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/5386/bbupgradelm1.th.jpg (http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bbupgradelm1.jpg)
according to this i can upgrade mine now and not just register my interest.
I got that, I had to dot it and click go then it took me to a page with a link saying something like: order or register your interest, I clicked it then got told it was not available for me
Impz2002
15-12-2008, 10:40
Postcode check results
Sorry, your home is not eligible for 50Mb broadband.
is there a link to a postcode search for 50meg ?
Not that I'm aware of.
That was the message I got when I tried to upgrade through the Selfcare Home page. I had the option to:
Pick your new package
Your existing package is Virgin Media broadband Size XL . This is a £37 per month subscription.
Upgrade to Virgin Media broadband: Size XXL £52 per month subscription
When I clicked on the the Upgrade option I then got:
Want our Size XXL 50Mb service?
Going XXL is easy, just click on the link below and order the new service.
Not in your area yet? Then you can register and we'll let you know when the service comes to your area.
Order or Register for Size XXL Broadband
Then clicked on Order or Register then got:
Postcode check results
Sorry, your home is not eligible for 50Mb broadband.
Impz2002
15-12-2008, 10:52
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/websales/50Mb/index.do
We're busy rolling out up to 50Mb broadband across our fibre optic network, so it won't be available everywhere straight away. This month though, we'll be able to sign up around 1.3 million homes in parts of Scotland, the Midlands and South London
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/websales/50Mb/index.do
Jinx :D
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From the FAQ (http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/50Mb/faq.html):
Where is 50Mb broadband available?
We're busy rolling out up to 50Mb broadband across our fibre optic network, so it won't be available everywhere straight away. This month though, we'll be able to sign up around 1.3 million homes in parts of Scotland, the Midlands and South London. The rest of the 12.6 million UK homes covered by our fibre optic network will be ready for 50Mb by next summer. To find out if your street is ready now, just fill in the postcode checker and we'll tell you!
Impz2002
15-12-2008, 10:55
lol , beat the vm man himself :)
It will be 5Mb when channel bonding on the upstream has been introduced
were are you getting this Meme from ?,
1:theres not been ANY official talk about any such upload rate any time soon
2: the current DS2.0b/DS3.0 CMs are only certified as "bronze" ,and to Bond the upstream you need official "silver" certification at the very least, there are NO Silver or gold/full certified DS2.0b/DS3.0 CPE CM kit as yet, never mind in mass production ready to be deployed anywere in the world.
3: IF and when this gold/full CPE certification does happen, your looking at a full hardware swap out of any currently installed "bronze" certified CPE CM kit in your home sat on your desk etc to take advantage of any offered greater than single channel DS2.0B/DS3.0 speeds.
the simple fact is, current DS2.0b/DS3.0 bronze certified chipsets cant be firmware updated as they didnt use FPGAs to be re-programed later with the erata fixed firmware and the current DSP fixed chips would need to do this in pure software, the CPUs inside the CM DS2.0b/DS3.0 SOCs (System On a Chip)being produced now are not good enough to run gold/full cert in software only mode.
4: so IF we do see anywere near this 5Mbit upload rate your assuming we will get ,it will be purely running off the current single channel DS2.0B protocol.
from a protocol and chipset POV, it can run already well above that 5Mbit upload rate speed fine (as can the current old DS2.0a NTL255/VM250 DS2.0a chipsets and even the DS1.0 chipsets can manage upto 10Bit/s on the upload speed OC)but VM will need to find far more freqs to put these new DS2.0B upstreams on, and the related ISP kit is even today restrictive of finding more upstream freq space.... see the other 50 Mbit threads for more info....
Apparntly my post code is not eligable, has anyone got a postcode that IS?
Apparntly my post code is not eligable, has anyone got a postcode that IS?
That is the question.............
No, mine is'nt either, but i only looked out of interest.
Where is 50Mb broadband available?
We're busy rolling out up to 50Mb broadband across our fibre optic network, so it won't be available everywhere straight away. This month though, we'll be able to sign up around 1.3 million homes in parts of Scotland, the Midlands and South London. The rest of the 12.6 million UK homes covered by our fibre optic network will be ready for 50Mb by next summer. To find out if your street is ready now, just fill in the postcode checker and we'll tell you!
"parts of Scotland, the Midlands and South London"
So i wasted my time even looking. ;)
Can someone point me to the postcode checker please.
Why does scotland always get the upgrade first?
Really irks me, Yorkshire is always last as well.
Postcode check results
Sorry, your home is not eligible for 50Mb broadband.
Cable services
Because you're in a fibre optic cable area, you can get all this.
Up to 20Mb broadband
Up to 145 digital TV channels
Flexible phone packages
Want to know when you can get 50Mb?
Just register your details with us, and we'll let you know when it's on the way.
I also see those that sign up today get a free netgear router and usb adaptor i wonder if the offer still applies to those of us who have to wait until next year to be upgraded?
Can someone point me to the postcode checker please.
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/forms/existingCustomer.html
broadbandking
15-12-2008, 11:35
£52 or £35 when taken with vm phone line, you get a free router not bad lol and they have gone back to the 1.5Mb upload its a joke
Do we know what happens to the price of the other packages for existing customers now that we have 50mb at £52? Are they staying the same? I can see info for new customers on their website.
I think I'm currently paying £35 for XL and £11 for the telephone rental = £46 for 20Mb.
So, that's the 32nd of Never then?
:p: LOL, not never, but dont take the PR monkys word for it and put them right whenever and werever you can , just understand the basic realwork capabilitys of whats available right now in the current DS2.0B/DS3.0 SOC and what the ISP can actually buy off the shelf right now to offer their latest and greatest DS3 packages to you.
just look to the US cable to see that you can today get far faster upload rates offered at reasonable prices 30Mbit/5Mbit is a reasonable ratio ,far better than Virgin media are offering us in the UK today and tomorrow than thats on the old DS2 chipsets and UBR cards.
VM BB could have been so much more by today, and we would gladly advocate VM for that faster real speed if they stopped milking the old UK speeds/pricing, and just offered us more.....and more than one single CM per account OC..:angel:
£52 or £35 when taken with vm phone line, you get a free router not bad lol and they have gone back to the 1.5Mb upload its a joke
Is this just for new customers as i already have the xl package.
zing_deleted
15-12-2008, 11:39
I pay 52 quid a month for xl bb m phone xl tv on a v+ and v box I do not think I am gonna screw up this price by going to 50 meg yet.
Its only £35 when you take a £11 phone line, so its £46 for BB XXL & Telco line..
General Maximus
15-12-2008, 11:41
i hope they put a schedule up saying who is going to be upgraded and when because i hate waiting around for stuff not knowing when it is going to happen
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