View Full Version : Freesat set-up: an introduction, with photos!
Right, we're getting Freesat installed in our holiday flat. We're using a local, independent installer for the dish and cabling, but I've just been down to Currys to get the box myself. I bought the Goodmans SD box at £49.99. Argos are also doing this box, but at £10 more, and when I tried Comet, the sales assistant had never even heard that it was possible to get a SD Freesat box ... she seemed to think the service was HD only.
Anyway, I'm trialling the new STB at home and will be taking it down to the flat next week to meet the installer. It's currently connected up to our existing Sky minidish and has gone through all the set-up procedures. I thought I'd share the process with you all in case anyone's interested or thinking of getting one of their own.
First, this is the carton:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/thebox.jpg
And this is the back of the carton:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/boxback.jpg
The contents, unpacked:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/boxcontents.jpg
This is the STB, atop a Sky digibox for size comparison:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/boxcompare.jpg
This is the back of the STB showing all connections that can be made (the manual says the RS-232 port is for factory use only):
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Audio outputs, plus the Ethernet port, which allows broadcasters to build interactivity into their services:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/audioout.jpg
The remote:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/Remote.jpg
The package includes a quickstart guide, which starts at the very beginning with instructions for setting up a dish, assuming you don't already have one:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/quickstart.jpg
Right, so by this point I was ready to actually power the thing up. This is the very first screen you get:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/sigstrength.jpg
Next, the STB downloads system software:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/downloading.jpg
Then it pauses and performs a re-boot:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/rebooting.jpg
After re-booting, the STB asks for your home postcode so it can put the correct regional variations in slots 101-104:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/postcode.jpg
It then performs a full scan to identify and store channels:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/scanning.jpg
And that was it done. Simple as. :)
A couple more things worth noting. The EPG automatically displays the synopsis of the highlighted programme, at the top of the screen, without the need to press the 'info' button:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/epg.jpg
Unlike Sky, it is possible to view synopses for programmes other than the one you're watching, while using the now/next feature. This screenshot is Eastenders on BBC One, with a synopsis for what's on C4 at the same time:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/synopsis.jpg
Finally, this is what the BBC multiscreen feature looks like ... there is limited red button functionality available on Freesat at the moment, but what is available, works very well:
http://homepage.mac.com/towny/freesat/multiscreen.jpg
Hope that's useful to someone, anyway. If you have any questions about the service, or the Goodmans SD box, I'll have it operating here at home for another day or so, so fire away.
WHISTLED
11-08-2008, 13:02
Bit bored today by any chance Chris?
Losttheplot
11-08-2008, 15:26
To be fair the red button stuff looks identical to the Sky box.
How many days epg do you get Chris?
Channel 4 migrated transponders last week and are now FTA.
To be fair the red button stuff looks identical to the Sky box.
How many days epg do you get Chris?
Channel 4 migrated transponders last week and are now FTA.
I believe the BBC's aim was to mimic the Freeview red button stuff rather than Sky, however a certain similarity is inevitable across all platforms as the Beeb likes to brand them all the same, as 'BBCi'.
The EPG has eight days (today plus a complete week ahead).
C4 has been FTA since just before Freesat's formal launch in May and has been part of the Freesat line up from day one. However this was on a different transponder to the one Sky boxes are tuned. They have been broadcasting a parallel service ever since. If C4 has now gone FTA on Sky boxes, that means they have completed the migration process.
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Bit bored today by any chance Chris?
Actually I set it all up on Friday evening - thought that was obvious from the photos. ;)
Losttheplot
11-08-2008, 17:59
I believe the BBC's aim was to mimic the Freeview red button stuff rather than Sky, however a certain similarity is inevitable across all platforms as the Beeb likes to brand them all the same, as 'BBCi'.
The EPG has eight days (today plus a complete week ahead).
C4 has been FTA since just before Freesat's formal launch in May and has been part of the Freesat line up from day one. However this was on a different transponder to the one Sky boxes are tuned. They have been broadcasting a parallel service ever since. If C4 has now gone FTA on Sky boxes, that means they have completed the migration process.
The Beebs feeds are same on Sky and Freesat (its the same transponder like C4 now) so probably why the Freesat and Sky interactive look the same.
I know C4 had a London region broadcasting FTA for a quite a while but I think the 6 regions only became available in the last few weeks.
I wonder if the Freesat system will allow triggers to update an overrunning programming (like Sky's) or will be set (like Virgins)?
Not sure I'd be happy with a Goodmans box though, not exactly known for long lasting reliable products!
The Beebs feeds are same on Sky and Freesat (its the same transponder like C4 now) so probably why the Freesat and Sky interactive look the same.
I know C4 had a London region broadcasting FTA for a quite a while but I think the 6 regions only became available in the last few weeks.
I wonder if the Freesat system will allow triggers to update an overrunning programming (like Sky's) or will be set (like Virgins)?
Not sure I'd be happy with a Goodmans box though, not exactly known for long lasting reliable products!
It's a bargain basement product, but it's for a holiday flat so it's only going to get a few weeks' use per year - not really worth spending much on it.
Regarding the look and feel of the interactive stuff, I think that is dictated by the screen designer rather than what transponder the TV channel comes from.
In fact I think there must be separate transponders for BBCi on Freesat and on Sky because isn't the whole interactive thing dictated by the software in the box? Freesat doesn't use the same one as Sky.
Losttheplot
11-08-2008, 19:21
It's a bargain basement product, but it's for a holiday flat so it's only going to get a few weeks' use per year - not really worth spending much on it.
Regarding the look and feel of the interactive stuff, I think that is dictated by the screen designer rather than what transponder the TV channel comes from.
In fact I think there must be separate transponders for BBCi on Freesat and on Sky because isn't the whole interactive thing dictated by the software in the box? Freesat doesn't use the same one as Sky.
I know they are defintely using the same transponders. They have to send two lots of data (Open TV and MHEG I believe) but its the same transponders. They also now do both DVB and Teletext subtitling, DVB for the Freesat boxes.
RealDiamond
11-08-2008, 19:28
yep it limited by the software built in to the box.
Thats one problem SKY can't ever fix, SKYs EPG has to work on every box ever released as they add more channels it gets harder to do.
Cableminow
12-08-2008, 14:56
Excellent information, thanks.
Going to give Freesat a go when I move house and might dump Sky, depending on how its loss impacts my broadband price :) .
(Open TV and MHEG I believe)
Absolutely right, although for some distressing reason I couldn't remember the name of either of them yesterday.
MHEG is what's used in Freeview boxes, which is why it was chosen for Freesat, to try to ensure the simplest possible route to carry development work already done on one platform over to the other (although it's not quite as simple as that - there was an interesting post on this on one of the BBC blogs a couple of months back, the Internet Blog, I think).
They won't use Open TV because it is anything but open.
Im really confused now. It says in one of your photos,
"FreeSat - the best digital services with no subscription" or something to that effect.
Well, is that not what freeview is, or does, accept without the need for a dish :confused:, also, in the top right hand corner of this page of this forum, it says "Free digital TV for the whole of South Wales - no monthly bills."
So am I right in assuming, this is purely for the South Wales area which can not receive Freeview?
Im really confused now. It says in one of your photos,
"FreeSat - the best digital services with no subscription" or something to that effect.
Well, is that not what freeview is, or does, accept without the need for a dish :confused:, also, in the top right hand corner of this page of this forum, it says "Free digital TV for the whole of South Wales - no monthly bills."
So am I right in assuming, this is purely for the South Wales area which can not receive Freeview?
Freesat exists for a number of reasons. First and foremost, it allows the public service broadcasters to reach the entire UK population, something analogue terrestrial broadcasts have never quite achieved, and which Freeview broadcsts most certainly won't ever achieve.
Second of all, it allows them to do this without relying on Sky, which does offer a 'free satellite' service but doesn't advertise it to any significant degree.
Thirdly, it offers a viable platform for free-to-air HD, something else Freeview will never be able to do (don't be fooled by anything you may have heard Ofcom saying about HD Freesat, it's a messy compromise - if you want free HD, then Freesat is, ultimately, the only place you're going to get it.
the-cable-guy
06-09-2008, 19:09
Not sure I'd be happy with a Goodmans box though, not exactly known for long lasting reliable products!
plus Alba make the Freesat receivers for Goodmans which says it all really dont it :dunce:
plus Alba make the Freesat receivers for Goodmans which says it all really dont it :dunce:
Alba Group make Goodmans, Bush and Alba branded products. They're the bargain basement product, cheap as chips ... but in our case we're only going to use the thing a few weeks per year, on an equally cheap flat-panel TV from Tesco, so it's just not worth splashing out on a better quality unit.
the-cable-guy
08-09-2008, 02:05
yes your correct there & by the sounds of it you know already ;) im just pointing out as some other members on this forum my not be aware.
...and Grundig, and Ministry of Sound, and Roadstar, and Carl Lewis Fitness, and...
http://www.albaplc.com/html/Products.htm
wdfortyplus
15-09-2011, 16:06
well done Chris! lets people see what to expect when they go through installation. As for a first time user, you never know what is right or standard! And for anyone out there that is a technophobe then pics help more than words!!!!!!
So well done to you for simplifying the process for others!
You're welcome. :)
That little Goodmans box is still going strong. These days, there's a Freesat HD box down at the holiday flat and I brought the Goodmans back here for the guest bedroom 12 months ago. It has been used more extensively than we envisaged but it's still going strong.
It is a minority product though - there are now 2 million Freesat boxes and integrated TVs sold and about three quarters of them are HD.
:bump:
That Goodmans box is still steaming away happily in our guest bedroom. Four years service without a hiccup from something cheap and nasty can't be bad. :D
I just noticed that the photos have all vanished from the OP. This I guess is because they were all hosted on my MobileMe webspace, which vanished into the ether at the end of last month. As luck would have it, we have just decided to ditch our 8-year-old Sky box with a very funky Echostar Freesat PVR. It's such a strange-looking device, I might just do another show-and-tell as I set it up at the weekend.
Graham M
16-08-2012, 13:00
I bought an EchoStar months back when I ditched Sky+HD, great box, never tried the streaming features though
I bought an EchoStar months back when I ditched Sky+HD, great box, never tried the streaming features though
£20 for the app will probably put me off. That and the fact that our upload speed is never going to be up to it.
Mrs T saw the photo of the thing and said, "Ooo, it looks like something off Battlestar Galactica!" That sort of reaction always makes it easier to justify a purchase. :D
Daydreamer
18-08-2012, 19:18
why cant I see the pictures. All I get is a box with a red cross in it. Any ideas
LondonRoad
18-08-2012, 19:42
why cant I see the pictures. All I get is a box with a red cross in it. Any ideas
Read Chris' post 19. It seems the hosting webspace has disappeared.
Yep, blame Apple's decision to kill off iDisk after more than 10 years for the lack of photos in the first post of this thread.
My new Battlestar Galactica Echostar box is up and running, in single-tuner mode until I can get on the roof with some cable and make use of one of the spare terminals on my LNB. No photos of it yet, I had to do the set-up in a hurry, surrounded by bored kids on their summer holidays who wanted to play with it ASAP and find out the EPG numbers for their favourite channels :D
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