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.... i'm being a typical blonde by being a rubbish driver at the mo :shocked:
I passed my test before Christmas, and haven't drove since.... Until i got my new (old) car on Saturday :D
It's an R reg Ford Escort Encore 1.3 (dark green if you were interested :D)
Okay so i'm really rusty with the driving, things like changing straight into second gear when set off etc, i find it hardest when in really slow moving traffic to keep the speed slow enough to not keep stopping, it feels like i need to use the brakes even after i've only touched the gas in 1st a tiny bit.
Anyway, i wanted to take it to a garage because it seems to have something wrong with it, or is it me? My boyfriend drove it and said it's not just me so i guess it's the car.
The problem is, sometimes when i come off the gas and press down the clutch to change gear or brake to stop, it revs quite loudly. If i free wheel it with just the clutch down while moving slowly it revs, and sometimes it stalls. Now, i'm deffo not on the gas when this happens, and also i make sure the clutch is all the way down....
Any idea what this is? And if it's dangerous or expensive to fix?
WHISTLED
12-05-2008, 20:04
Doesnt sound like its you ut dont you have a friend or relative you can ask to take it down the road...
This any help? (http://www.accordr.org/index.php?showtopic=15548)
Well as i said my boyfriend was the one who pointed it out... he said it's deffo not right for it to do that. My sister has driven it also but it doesn't always do it. So hopefully i'm not that bad :D
What i'm asking is for an idea of what it could be - if anyone has ever encountered something similar
I've had similar happen on a couple of cars in the past and its always one sensor or another playing silly buggers. You should be able to get any error codes from the ecu easy enough although you'll have to google how as I'm not familiar with escorts that new ;) (the only one I've ever owned was an old G Reg 1.3 with the OHV engine)
Rammy that link needs a registration :o:
i'll have a look though, i'm sure it's worth it ;) :D
zing_deleted
12-05-2008, 20:11
clutch on its way out maybe or throttle cable sticking? what rpm does it normally tick over at?
:shrug:It hasn't got a rev counter :shocked:
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Just found this linky, seems like i'm not the only one
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=22353
Very much doubt its the clutch, if the pressure plate was knackered you would have trouble shifting and/or be getting slipping.
Sticky Throttle body is a possibility though, should be easy to diagnose that though. Rev the engine and gently release the throttle a few times and make note of where the engine idles after each. If the throttles sticking the idle point will vary.
Does the engine rev when your rolling with the clutch in but drop back to idle when you stop? If so slightly tighten the throttle idle screw until the revs drop a bit, the ecu should try to compensate after a few seconds. Then give it another test.
This actually happened on my Lotus and the idle screw had somehow come lose, the ecu was managing to keep the revs down when the engine was stood still but when coasting it would sit at the higher revs, mine didnt stall though.
Rammy that link needs a registration :o:
Ah, sorry....:blush:
ad a bit of a problem with the idle on the car over the last few days, its ok when just sat there but when you let of the accelerator or depress the clutch it drops to nearly cutting out then for a min will flutter between 200rpm to 1k rpm
Sounds a lot like a vaccum leak - especially if its fine when the car is cold but then starts to play up when its warm
idle control valve sticking, had this on mine awee while ago and cleaned with carb cleaner and all was ok.
have you checked the new pcv valvee isnt broken or the hose is split?
this will cause a vacuum leak. pinch(pliers/mole grips) the hose on the pcv and see if idles goes back to norm
Most of that is greek to me btw......:D
Very much doubt its the clutch, if the pressure plate was knackered you would have trouble shifting and/or be getting slipping.
Sticky Throttle body is a possibility though, should be easy to diagnose that though. Rev the engine and gently release the throttle a few times and make note of where the engine idles after each. If the throttles sticking the idle point will vary.
Does the engine rev when your rolling with the clutch in but drop back to idle when you stop? If so slightly tighten the throttle idle screw until the revs drop a bit, the ecu should try to compensate after a few seconds. Then give it another test.
This actually happened on my Lotus and the idle screw had somehow come lose, the ecu was managing to keep the revs down when the engine was stood still but when coasting it would sit at the higher revs, mine didnt stall though.
Yeah it revs while the clutch is down, and when i lift up clutch and get back on the gas it goes normal again but not always straight away, only ever about 10 seconds or so though.
throttle screws and cables..... pressure plates....:confused: :erm: :shrug:
LOL. Okay so do i need to go to a garage? :(
thanks for taking the time to help by the way :)
What I mean is when you drive along and depress the clutch the revs rise and when you come to a stop (still with clutch depressed) the revs drop to normal idle.
Ahhhh... hmmm i'm not too sure. I'm pretty certain it still does it when stopped until i release the clutch
clutch on its way out maybe or throttle cable sticking? what rpm does it normally tick over at?I was thinking throttle cable sticking but that doesn't usually cause it to cut out does it?.....Just increases revs at rest?
I don't know what a throttle cable is :cry:
I can barely drive the thing let alone fix it :D :rofl:
idi banashapan
12-05-2008, 20:35
sounds like an idling sensor issue or blocked filter/valve to me. does the car seem to hunt with the revs, or is it just an obvious, yet slow stepping as the revs drop?
zing_deleted
12-05-2008, 20:35
I was thinking throttle cable sticking but that doesn't usually cause it to cut out does it?.....Just increases revs at rest?
I dunno just guessing lol
sounds like an idling sensor issue or blocked filter/valve to me. does the car seem to hunt with the revs, or is it just an obvious, yet slow stepping as the revs drop?
I don't really know what you mean, but basically the car isn't trying to move with the revs it's just making the noise, it doesn't physically make the car do anything different. Well not that i'm aware of anyway, i have nothing to compare it with, i've been driving for about ohhhhh 2 days? :LOL:
If this only happens with the car moving it could be the vehicle speed sensor, if it happens even when stationary it could be a clutch position sensor (if its got one) or something in the gearbox dragging.
My advice, if you can get any error codes from the ecu do so. Also try reducing the idle revs with the adjustment screw on the throttle body, let it settle for a while then test to see if its still doing it.
Edit: Oh and get a friend who knows cars to have a quick look before taking it to a garage
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Another quick thought.
Start the engine and let it warm up. Whilst Parked and listening to the revs depress the clutch. Do the revs rise?
I believe this could give us a good idea at what we are looking at.
Graham M
12-05-2008, 20:55
Silly question Pia and no I'm not calling you an idiot, but are you sure you're not just pressing the clutch/brake brake/accelerator at the same time I do that if the shoes I'm wearing are too big!
If this only happens with the car moving it could be the vehicle speed sensor, if it happens even when stationary it could be a clutch position sensor (if its got one) or something in the gearbox dragging.
My advice, if you can get any error codes from the ecu do so. Also try reducing the idle revs with the adjustment screw on the throttle body, let it settle for a while then test to see if its still doing it.
Edit: Oh and get a friend who knows cars to have a quick look before taking it to a garage
Error codes from the ecu? How do i do that then?:p:
Another quick thought.
Start the engine and let it warm up. Whilst Parked and listening to the revs depress the clutch. Do the revs rise?
I believe this could give us a good idea at what we are looking at.
No they don't, i did already test this tonight when i got home. It will only start doing it generally when i'm already moving, but it doesn't stop as soon as i stop the car.... not much in time difference though
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Silly question Pia and no I'm not calling you an idiot, but are you sure you're not just pressing the clutch/brake brake/accelerator at the same time I do that if the shoes I'm wearing are too big!
Well this is what i wondered, because i am basically a new driver as of 2 days ago.... but my boyfriend did say it definitely wasn't that cos it did it for him too, plus i made him look at my feet when driving :D and he could see i wasn't on the gas and it was doing it then
Graham M
12-05-2008, 21:02
Oh well was worth a try, I do it sometimes if I'm wearing my gym trainers, I tend to drive in sensible shoes normally.
Wicked_and_Crazy
12-05-2008, 21:12
What colour is the soot on the inside of the tail pipe? If its dark (black) and damp would tend to suggest its running too rich
Does it only do this when cold? Could be the auto choke if its naturally aspirated
When it does this does it blip too fast and then slow down?? Could indicate a speed sensor fault
Is it apparent all the time or does it calm down after a few miles?
What colour is the soot on the inside of the tail pipe? If its dark (black) and damp would tend to suggest its running too rich
Does it only do this when cold? Could be the auto choke if its naturally aspirated
When it does this does it blip too fast and then slow down?? Could indicate a speed sensor fault
Hmmmmmm i'll get back to you on that :disturbd:
Is it apparent all the time or does it calm down after a few miles?
It happens less when i've not been driving for long.... we first noticed it after driving about 15 miles.... i drove the 3 or 4 mile round trip to school/work this morning and it didn't seem to be doing it, not until tonight when i'd been driving more/longer.
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I should also mention that the first day i had the car it was really hot weather and the car was in the red on the temp gauge, i live right near a tyre fitting garage and the bloke in there said it seemed to be circulating water (?) so was fine, anyway it's stayed at a good temp ever since then so i guess it was the weather?
This revving problem does warm the car up though as you'd expect....
Error codes from the ecu? How do i do that then?:p:
No they don't, i did already test this tonight when i got home. It will only start doing it generally when i'm already moving, but it doesn't stop as soon as i stop the car.... not much in time difference though
I'm thinking Vehicle Speed Sensor or loose Idle control screw then. I'll try and find some pictures if you know which type of engine its got probably CVH or Zetec. In basic terms it'll be next to the end of the throttle cable in the engine bay, bit that moves on the intake when you press the throttle.
To check the fault codes theres normally a plug that is used to plug into a computer the garage have, you can normally read error codes by shorting a particular pair of wires with a paperclip and then turning on the ignition. The engine check light should then flash the code.
Without knowing this car though I dont know if this procedure is possible and if so where the plug is or what wires to short, the safest bet would be to get a garage to check the error codes. I would still check the idle control screw first though.
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What colour is the soot on the inside of the tail pipe? If its dark (black) and damp would tend to suggest its running too rich
Does it only do this when cold? Could be the auto choke if its naturally aspirated
When it does this does it blip too fast and then slow down?? Could indicate a speed sensor fault
I thought they were all EFI by that point and they dont have a choke as such?
It happens less when i've not been driving for long.... we first noticed it after driving about 15 miles.... i drove the 3 or 4 mile round trip to school/work this morning and it didn't seem to be doing it, not until tonight when i'd been driving more/longer.
If it was apparent all the time I would suggest cold start is playing up
I should also mention that the first day i had the car it was really hot weather and the car was in the red on the temp gauge, i live right near a tyre fitting garage and the bloke in there said it seemed to be circulating water (?) so was fine, anyway it's stayed at a good temp ever since then so i guess it was the weather?
This revving problem does warm the car up though as you'd expect....
An efficient car should never do that, but having said that the temp gauge on your type of car does commonly play up so unfortunately it really is impossible to pin point any specific fault over an internet forum.
Coupled with the revving issue you really are going to have to get it looked at by a garage, I would try a reputable Ford dealer and ask them to diagnose only first before repairing as they have good product knowledge and should be able to diagnose quickly albeit a higher labour rate, a smaller, cheaper garage may spend longer trying to find the fault.
I know it is not what you want to hear and if you were nearer I would gladly take a look but it's the best advice I can offer.
Wicked_and_Crazy
12-05-2008, 21:46
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=33005
BTW the throttle cable is the one that connects from the accelerator to the engine (somewhere) to make more fuel go through to speed the engine up.
Thanks :p:
I've just been over to see a friend and i asked her husband about it - he's not a mechanic but he said the accelerator cable could be sticking - i guess this is the throttle cable you're talking about? :erm:
Anyway, he put some WD40 on it, i'll see how it goes tomorrow, i didn't drive it on the way home for long enough for it to start doing it.
Hi all - just an update....
Took the car to a garage a few days ago, he spent about 45 minutes on it, also testing it with an error code reader or something - but he said it didn't give him any errors, and presumably that's because the specific problem needs to occur 5 times in a row for it to send a code to the computer, but my particular "revving" problem doesn't happen everytime i hold the clutch down....
Anyway, he didn't charge me for what he did the other day, and i took it in today for him to spend another 40 mins or so trying to diagnose it.
He said something was full of gunk (i don't know what it was, throttle something?? and the idle thingy?? :erm: :shrug:)
so he cleaned that out.
But he's found a problem with a caliber(?) on the front brake which is sticking, and will cost about £90 to fix/replace...
Anyway - it hasn't revved on me so far, so fingers crossed the problem stays away!
Caliper, it's the bit that pushes the brake pads against the brake disc which slows you down.
Remember when you had a bike? You'd pull the brake lever and the U shaped thing over the wheel would squeeze the rubber pads against the wheel's rim? That's a caliper.
If one is sticking, it can't apply the brakes as hard as it should do, and so your car can end up being pulled to one side, not good in an emergency if you slam your foot on the brake and your car merrily heads into oncoming traffic!
Aaaaah yeah, when my fella drove it back into town the day i bought it, he was testing the brakes and noticed it pulled to the side.
My mother reckons i'm quite a jerky driver when stopping in slowish traffic, but i feel like i'm braking as smooth as i can, is this related to this issue??
Aaaaah yeah, when my fella drove it back into town the day i bought it, he was testing the brakes and noticed it pulled to the side.
My mother reckons i'm quite a jerky driver when stopping in slowish traffic, but i feel like i'm braking as smooth as i can, is this related to this issue??
Could be, or it could just be that being in the passenger seat feels totally different to being behind the wheel.
Just get a sign for the dashboard next time she's in the car saying "Shush mother" and that should do the trick :D
he was testing the brakes and noticed it pulled to the side.
Hi, a faulty caliper will cause a car to pull under braking as one side will have more braking efficiency.
Glad your revving problem looks sorted.
You could always get a second hand caliper from the scrappy and get that fitted to save some dosh.
LSainsbury
22-05-2008, 20:26
Welcome to the world of motoring Pia....get ready to spend your hard earned cash on food for the car (ie petrol!)
:)
Welcome to the world of motoring Pia....get ready to spend your hard earned cash on food for the car (ie petrol!)
:)
omg i know :(
i've put £128 in 10 days in it :erm:
homealone
22-05-2008, 21:56
Hi, a faulty caliper will cause a car to pull under braking as one side will have more braking efficiency.
Glad your revving problem looks sorted.
You could always get a second hand caliper from the scrappy and get that fitted to save some dosh.
Ditto best wishes that the revving problem is fixed - but, to be honest I would never consider buying second hand braking parts, myself. :shrug:
Check exactly what you will get for your repair, though, Pia, for example if it includes pad changes to the affected wheel, the other wheel should get new pads, as well. Also is the hydraulic fluid going to be replaced rather than just topped up - and is that extra?
Wicked_and_Crazy
22-05-2008, 22:06
If one is sticking, it can't apply the brakes as hard as it should do, and so your car can end up being pulled to one side, not good in an emergency if you slam your foot on the brake and your car merrily heads into oncoming traffic!
Its actually the reverse, if its sticking it will be sticking on and therefore creating friction slowing the car when it shouldnt. If it was sticking when the brakes were being applied it would be sticking very hard as the hydraulic pressure on the brake caliper is significant. Where as the return pressure on a caliper is very light
The ECU was most likely getting confused in that the speed sensor said a speed and the car would expect an amount a fuel to be needed for tick over however the extra drag was casuing it to over copensate. Once the drag inerti was overcome the car would have the effect of over reving or surging.
Its actually the reverse, if its sticking it will be sticking on and therefore creating friction slowing the car when it shouldnt. If it was sticking when the brakes were being applied it would be sticking very hard as the hydraulic pressure on the brake caliper is significant. Where as the return pressure on a caliper is very light
Out of interest, how would that explain why under braking the car pulls to to one side?
If it's sticking on, then wouldn't it pull when you take your foot off the pedal rather than when you're applying pressure?
Would it be something else causing the veering then?
Graham M
23-05-2008, 18:05
omg i know :(
i've put £128 in 10 days in it :erm:
Ouch! Going where!?
I put £30ish per month in mine!
Ouch! Going where!?
I put £30ish per month in mine!
£30?? That barely gets me round town for a week!:shocked:
Well in the first week or so i was driving as much as possible to get practice and gain confidence. And i drove to Chesterfield and back (M1 :shocked: :erm:) which is a good 250 miles.
£30?? That barely gets me round town for a week!:shocked:
Well in the first week or so i was driving as much as possible to get practice and gain confidence. And i drove to Chesterfield and back (M1 :shocked: :erm:) which is a good 250 miles.
Should have bought a Xantia ;)
frogstamper
24-05-2008, 04:27
clutch on its way out maybe or throttle cable sticking? what rpm does it normally tick over at?
I'd have to agree with zing.
Well this is what i wondered, because i am basically a new driver as of 2 days ago.... but my boyfriend did say it definitely wasn't that cos it did it for him too, plus i made him look at my feet when driving :D and he could see i wasn't on the gas and it was doing it then
I dont think this is the thread for discussing your fetishes here.:D
Its difficult from your description, but you can eliminate a worn out clutch by driving up a hill and if the clutch is worn the revs will rise as it slips.
Your problem doesn't sound like the clutch but it may be worth trying this.
Wicked_and_Crazy
26-05-2008, 09:47
Out of interest, how would that explain why under braking the car pulls to to one side?
If it's sticking on, then wouldn't it pull when you take your foot off the pedal rather than when you're applying pressure?
Would it be something else causing the veering then?
Who can tell without seeing it?? could be that when its sticking on release the caliper that is sticking is going to hit the disc first and cause it to veer, could be the its putting less pressure on in the sticking caliper and forcing the pressure to the opposite rear wheel.
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