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telfordcable
22-08-2007, 16:12
I had phone up virgin media tech support about my broadband was capped at 5Mb instead of 20Mb last night and they explain to me that VM does have traffic management because it still upgrading 20Mb speed area by area roll out, once it all completed by end of September, then the traffic management will be withdrawn and everything will be back to normal. It only do it because of trialing upgrade 20Mb and soon to be 50Mb next year.

LaineY
22-08-2007, 16:14
rofl... god knows where you got that info from.. as for the traffic management.. apparently its going to get worse "word from the inside"

although i like what they advised you better than what i "know" lol

Stuart
22-08-2007, 16:18
I had phone up virgin media tech support about my broadband was capped at 5Mb instead of 20Mb last night and they explain to me that VM does have traffic management because it still upgrading 20Mb speed area by area roll out, once it all completed by end of September, then the traffic management will be withdrawn and everything will be back to normal. It only do it because of trialing upgrade 20Mb and soon to be 50Mb next year.

I'd take that with a large pinch of salt..

LaineY
22-08-2007, 16:27
I'd take that with a large pinch of salt..

better make that a cup of salt lmao :P :angel:

xspeedyx
22-08-2007, 16:29
HAHAHAHAHA Doubt VM will do something that good

evilmonkey
22-08-2007, 16:38
I had phone up virgin media tech support about my broadband was capped at 5Mb instead of 20Mb last night and they explain to me that VM does have traffic management because it still upgrading 20Mb speed area by area roll out, once it all completed by end of September, then the traffic management will be withdrawn and everything will be back to normal. It only do it because of trialing upgrade 20Mb and soon to be 50Mb next year.


trust me they will not be removing STM in the near future. If they did the network would fail in a matter of days with 20Mbit users downloading terabytes per month they would kill the bandwidth quickly. Remember each segment is only about 40Mbit/s as a link so when you get a handfull of 20Mbit users downloading continuously the load is far too high for that segment to handle. That was why they brought in the dual downstream frequencies (331 and 339Mhz) to try and increase the level of multiplexing but even that only goes so far!

Rone
22-08-2007, 17:00
50 meg, good grief, get the 20 something like and i might try and work up some enthusiasm. [yawn]. :)

Daveoc64
22-08-2007, 17:05
More like a giant sized bucket of salt.

They wouldn't go to all the effort of trialling the STM if they didn't plan to use it long term.

Chris
22-08-2007, 17:11
/sniffs air

/smells bovine excrement

/gags

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I choose to believe your call was answered by a busy little CSR who goes to creative writing classes in his spare time.

xspeedyx
22-08-2007, 17:48
/sniffs air

/smells bovine excrement

/gags

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I choose to believe your call was answered by a busy little CSR who goes to creative writing classes in his spare time.

LMAO

Sirius
22-08-2007, 17:53
I'd take that with a large pinch of salt..

More like a truck load of salt :LOL:

amateurfool
22-08-2007, 17:56
More like a truck load of salt :LOL:

A salt mine perhaps :beer:

7@m3 G33k
22-08-2007, 18:01
I had phone up virgin media tech support about my broadband was capped at 5Mb instead of 20Mb last night and they explain to me that VM does have traffic management because it still upgrading 20Mb speed area by area roll out, once it all completed by end of September, then the traffic management will be withdrawn and everything will be back to normal. It only do it because of trialing upgrade 20Mb and soon to be 50Mb next year.

*plugs in VM CSA to English Translation Box* <-- £7.99 from Bullshyte Detector Monthly

"blah-blah I'm bored talking to you now blah blah Get off the line I have some serious surfing to do blah blah My spotty teenage mate at the other desk says there's some new Jessica Alba beach romp flicks on YouTube blah blah And now I have a new splash-resistant keyboard and mouse nothing is stopping me blah blah Bye!"

Of course this is not a literal translation... :erm:

dav
22-08-2007, 20:20
I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I choose to believe your call was answered by a busy little CSR who goes to creative writing classes in his spare time.


Are you suggesting that VM CSR's lie to customers?
I'm shocked at such an accusation :shocked:

Actually, no, I'm not. I've been lied to before by CSRs.
They'll continue to say anything they can to keep us pesky customers from complaining too much.

Fenlock
22-08-2007, 21:04
50 meg, good grief, get the 20 something like and i might try and work up some enthusiasm. [yawn]. :)

im all for more speed upgrades. the way i see it, if 20 megs currently running at 4, then 50mb should put me back to 10... roll on the 100MBXXXXXXL package so i can finaly get my 20MB that im paying for now.

Paul
22-08-2007, 21:08
....once it all completed by end of September, then the traffic management will be withdrawn and everything will be back to normal.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Sorry, but I'm inclined not to believe that too much. :)

Pushkar
22-08-2007, 21:43
You wish.

saabmania2
22-08-2007, 22:02
im all for more speed upgrades. the way i see it, if 20 megs currently running at 4, then 50mb should put me back to 10... roll on the 100MBXXXXXXL package so i can finaly get my 20MB that im paying for now.

rofl:clap::D

hokkers999
22-08-2007, 22:14
*plugs in VM CSA to English Translation Box* <-- £7.99 from Bullshyte Detector Monthly

"blah-blah I'm bored talking to you now blah blah Get off the line I have some serious surfing to do blah blah My spotty teenage mate at the other desk says there's some new Jessica Alba beach romp flicks on YouTube blah blah And now I have a new splash-resistant keyboard and mouse nothing is stopping me blah blah Bye!"

Of course this is not a literal translation... :erm:

Watch out VMTECH will be along in a moment to tell you how the vm network is perfect because d/l from internal servers works fine...

nicke261192
22-08-2007, 22:38
Hey comon guys! Traffic Shaping is a good thing! It means that all those heavy downloaders cant spoil it for the rest of us!

Sirius
22-08-2007, 22:44
Hey comon guys! Traffic Shaping is a good thing! It means that all those heavy downloaders cant spoil it for the rest of us!

Do you honestly think that is what they did this for. Think £££££ £Â£Â£Â£Â£ savings

xspeedyx
22-08-2007, 23:37
yjeu should only cap the 20mb downloaders to 10 leave the lower tiers as they really dont bother ppl on no someone is downloading at 200KB/s

7@m3 G33k
23-08-2007, 00:47
Watch out VMTECH will be along in a moment to tell you how the vm network is perfect because d/l from internal servers works fine...

Oh...so VMTECH is a Jessica Alba fan? ;) I hope he's checked this thread (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/19/33619704-keyboard-request.html)...

Hey comon guys! Traffic Shaping is a good thing! It means that all those heavy downloaders cant spoil it for the rest of us!

Do you honestly think that is what they did this for. Think £££££ £Â£Â£Â£Â£ savings

These two points are not contradictory - whilst we're complaining to VM to get them to invest more we all have a right to a reasonable service not totally clogged by mega-downloaders.

xpod
23-08-2007, 01:48
Watch out VMTECH will be along in a moment to tell you how the vm network is perfect because d/l from internal servers works fine...


ftp/http from VM network at an average of around 250-400Kb(make that ftp 179KB`s right now at 1am)`s for us atm...and thats since the new modem arrived a week or two ago:)

I`d be as well calling back up and having our NTL120`s mac address re-registered for all the good the new ones been.

At least i was getting a higher average with that old thing.This thing has dropped it to about 2-5Mb overall....if that.It still bounces around like mad and nothing consistent of course but the average DL speed has certainly dropped since the new modem came.

My next door neighbors just the same so theres surely no possibility of it being every single os,pc or nic we own..:)

Wed, 23 Aug 2007 00:46:11 GMT

Test 1: 1024K took 2187 ms = 468.2 KB/sec, approx 3858 Kbps, 3.77 Mbps
Test 2: 1024K took 2737 ms = 374.1 KB/sec, approx 3083 Kbps, 3.01 Mbps
Test 3: 1024K took 2611 ms = 392.2 KB/sec, approx 3232 Kbps, 3.16 Mbps
Test 4: 2048K took 4151 ms = 493.4 KB/sec, approx 4066 Kbps, 3.97 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 3560 Kbps, 3.48 Mbps

It`s worse than permanant stm just now,at least then i`d have a constant 5Mb:rolleyes:

Gareth
23-08-2007, 02:55
Hey comon guys! Traffic Shaping is a good thing! It means that all those heavy downloaders cant spoil it for the rest of us!Meanwhile, in the real world...

ladyboy
23-08-2007, 08:25
im all for more speed upgrades. the way i see it, if 20 megs currently running at 4, then 50mb should put me back to 10... roll on the 100MBXXXXXXL package so i can finaly get my 20MB that im paying for now.

its upto 20 meg..

slowcoach
23-08-2007, 09:11
Here we go again, every third day, :mad:

Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:50:00 GMT
Test 1: 1024K took 3195 ms = 320.5 KB/sec, approx 2641 Kbps, 2.58 Mbps
Test 2: 1024K took 3213 ms = 318.7 KB/sec, approx 2626 Kbps, 2.56 Mbps
Test 3: 1024K took 2538 ms = 403.5 KB/sec, approx 3325 Kbps, 3.25 Mbps
Test 4: 2048K took 4090 ms = 500.7 KB/sec, approx 4126 Kbps, 4.03 Mbps
Overall Average Speed = approx 3180 Kbps, 3.11 Mbps

Downloading from internal or external servers confirms the speed test figures.
So every third day I am being limited without any downloading coming into the equation.

Removing STM my ****, looks like things are going to get worse, much worse.

Maybe I am on a trial, or maybe VM are a bunch of thieving *******s. :upyours:

xspeedyx
23-08-2007, 09:44
slowcoach I opt for the second answer lol

evilmonkey
23-08-2007, 09:45
The problem is that STM is not a permanent or even good solution to the problem of a lack of bandwidth. What it does mean for them as a company is that they can continue to oversubscribe some areas without too much of an affect on the "average" user. People who are heavy downloaders (Top talkers) will be hit the most until that is they figure out exactly how to avoid the STM by not downloading at a constant rate.

7@m3 G33k
23-08-2007, 10:36
<snip>
Maybe I am on a trial, or maybe VM are a bunch of thieving *******s. :upyours:


Freudian slip? Sure you're not just on trial slowcoach? ;)
C'mon - you can tell us: what was your crime? :D

tweetiepooh
23-08-2007, 10:54
I`d be as well calling back up and having our NTL120`s mac address re-registered for all the good the new ones been.



Please see http://www.virginmedia.com/customers/servicestatus/ambit.php

Also downloading from an internal site is a good test, it rules out peering and issues outside VM's network. If that figure is good then it's not your equipment or the local network.

xpod
23-08-2007, 11:11
Please see http://www.virginmedia.com/customers...atus/ambit.php

Also downloading from an internal site is a good test, it rules out peering and issues outside VM's network. If that figure is good then it's not your equipment or the local network.

I can only assume you have not seen any of my previous posts since our upgrade at the start of June....;)
Been there,done that & got the t-shirt m8:)

Thanks for the info anyway:)

slowcoach
23-08-2007, 12:36
Freudian slip? Sure you're not just on trial slowcoach? ;)
C'mon - you can tell us: what was your crime? :D
Innocent of all charges guv. :p:

They must think I am downloading torrents all night.
Oh goody, they have just decided to move me back to the 20 Meg pipe .... for the moment.
Should be alright now for a couple of days. :rolleyes:

dev
23-08-2007, 15:47
Do you honestly think that is what they did this for. Think £££££ £Â£Â£Â£Â£ savings

tbh i'd be happy for VM to take cost cutting measures. why? gets them more money to spend on the network without increasing the cost to us. Everyone wants a company to make 0 profit yet expects them to throw endless amounts of invisible cash to make things better for the customer without charging the customer more

LaineY
23-08-2007, 15:54
I can only assume you have not seen any of my previous posts since our upgrade at the start of June....;)
Been there,done that & got the t-shirt m8:)

Thanks for the info anyway:)

OMG i want the t-shirt too!

goldoni
23-08-2007, 15:55
I'd take that with a large pinch of salt..

should that be a very small pinch of salt as it is bad for you. :D

Stuart
23-08-2007, 15:57
should that be a very small pinch of salt as it is bad for you. :D

So's traffic shaping according to some posters..

xpod
23-08-2007, 17:31
OMG i want the t-shirt too!

OMG i want the t-shirt too!

What,this one????

vmtech
24-08-2007, 11:19
Watch out VMTECH will be along in a moment to tell you how the vm network is perfect because d/l from internal servers works fine...

who says a think the vm network is perfect??
everyone knows it has its faults!!
vm can only guarantee speeds from there servers they can hardly expect people to upgrade there equipment just so you can get faster speeds

Central
24-08-2007, 11:37
Notice how when these threads pop up the OP never replies

LaineY
24-08-2007, 18:07
who says a think the vm network is perfect??
everyone knows it has its faults!!
vm can only guarantee speeds from there servers they can hardly expect people to upgrade there equipment just so you can get faster speeds


Eh?

bonzoe
24-08-2007, 20:09
A simple comparison regarding speeds at busy periods-

The network is like a motorway, have you noticed that at busy times the speed on the motorway slows? Despite the notional speed being 70mph (sorry, that should be upto)

7@m3 G33k
24-08-2007, 22:34
who says a think the vm network is perfect??
everyone knows it has its faults!!
vm can only guarantee speeds from there servers they can hardly expect people to upgrade there equipment just so you can get faster speeds

Hook (STM), line (CAT5E) and sinker (Motorola Surfboard in my case) :D

moaningmags
25-08-2007, 00:36
A simple comparison regarding speeds at busy periods-

The network is like a motorway, have you noticed that at busy times the speed on the motorway slows? Despite the national speed being 70mph (sorry, that should be upto)


Love the above example!!

And for all the moaners moaning about paying for 20mb, give it a rest,
cos you're not!!
You pay for 10mb, £35 a month recently increased to £37.

And the traffic shaping is almost certainly about to get worse not disappear.

xspeedyx
25-08-2007, 09:44
A simple comparison regarding speeds at busy periods-

The network is like a motorway, have you noticed that at busy times the speed on the motorway slows? Despite the national speed being 70mph (sorry, that should be upto)


Love the above example!!

And for all the moaners moaning about paying for 20mb, give it a rest,
cos you're not!!
You pay for 10mb, £35 a month recently increased to £37.

And the traffic shaping is almost certainly about to get worse not disappear.



true true

dav
25-08-2007, 16:34
And for all the moaners moaning about paying for 20mb, give it a rest,
cos you're not!!
You pay for 10mb, £35 a month recently increased to £37.

And the traffic shaping is almost certainly about to get worse not disappear.

By that example, those paying for 20Mb should be quite happy to receive 'up to' 1Mb, as I'm sure that at one time in the past, when 1Mb was the premium service, it would have cost the equivalent of today's 20Mb.:rolleyes:

Chris
25-08-2007, 22:02
There was indeed a time when 1Mb was £37 a month.

TraxData
25-08-2007, 22:03
Indeed there was.

Just thought id add my info in.

STM is most certainly not going anywhere.

Infact they are trialing lower STM tiers right now, ready for implementation.

With the STM limit being 2GB on 20mbit, not sure about the others though.

dav
25-08-2007, 22:09
Well, the other tiers limits are far too low to start with.

What do they think we spend our time doing? Sending "Hello, how are you?" emails to each other?

v0id
25-08-2007, 22:12
There was indeed a time when 1Mb was £37 a month.

..and 3Mb was £50 :shocked:

Chris
25-08-2007, 22:26
And NTL's entry-level 'broadband' was 150k. :Yikes: :rofl: Bunch of chancers.

WillPS
26-08-2007, 22:51
Is it just me or did a representative from NTL sometime last year go on Click (on News 24) and say they were not going to enforce traffic shaping? Or am I mistaken?

Mick Fisher
27-08-2007, 01:38
:LOL:
If it was Steve Burch then it looks like he just got the sack...

sav112
27-08-2007, 12:34
And NTL's entry-level 'broadband' was 150k. :Yikes: :rofl: Bunch of chancers.

that was fast!

My first was only 56K......:D

and thats was fast to the old days on the BBC model B and prestel.....

christopherw
27-08-2007, 17:02
:LOL:
If it was Steve Burch then it looks like he just got the sack...

You do know he's just left VM, right?


;)

TraxData
27-08-2007, 19:53
You know you guys could just order the business package and get a deal on it.

As the business packages dont have STM.

only 10mbit though, 20mbit config is on the servers but not at headend yet.

goldoni
28-08-2007, 11:09
Here in Letchworth I can’t remember the name of the cable company but they started off with free dial-up service and if you were lucky you could trial the ever on broadband service entry level was 64k while the dial-up was 33k if you had loads of money you could get their top service of 128k

I had the 64k broadband and I know our memory plays tricks but I could swear those early days the speed at which the pages came up was astounding. Today I have the 20Mb service and it’s oh so slow. When does the countdown begin and have VM got another traffic shaping method but by another name.

janipewter
28-08-2007, 12:32
Is it just me or did a representative from NTL sometime last year go on Click (on News 24) and say they were not going to enforce traffic shaping? Or am I mistaken?

I remember that but it wasn't on Click, it was on the business report programme.

slowvirgin
28-08-2007, 22:22
VM need traffic shaping to go into overdrive as the teenagers return from their hols and clog up evening surfing -- once again my speed slows down. Can teenagers have their own WWW? It could be called WWTW at a discount rate?

Grumpy old man!