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Panes XP
31-05-2007, 13:20
I am intending to share a 20mb Virgin Media Broadband connection with other people in my street.
Would I be able to use the old rediffusion cable ducts for my new cabling?
Do Virgin Media prohibit you from sharing your broadband with other households?
The other problem I have to overcome is that Cat5e cabling has a maximum distance of only 90 metres and I think Cat6 can be run for only 150 metres.
Thanks in advance.
dcclanuk
31-05-2007, 13:21
Not allowed to do that AFAIK with VM! [or any ISP for that matter!]
on in an hour!
31-05-2007, 13:22
I am intending to share a 20mb Virgin Media Broadband connection with other people in my street.
Would I be able to use the old rediffusion cable ducts for my new cabling?
Do Virgin Media prohibit you from sharing your broadband with other households?
The other problem I have to overcome is that Cat5e cabling has a maximum distance of only 90 metres and I think Cat6 can be run for only 150 metres.
Thanks in advance.
thats a big NO NO my friend.:td:
Moved to VM broadband forum.
Don't think you're allowed to do that... but you could just get a powerful wireless router and share that with your neighbours on your street. :)
prawncocktail
31-05-2007, 13:37
Don't think you're allowed to do that... but you could just get a powerful wireless router and share that with your neighbours on your street. :)
also illegal
Do not do any of what you have suggested, you can be heavily fined and even go to prison for it. Your 20mb connection or any connection with any isp if for your use only, you are not allowed to share it and it is YOUR responsibility to make sure nobody can access your connection (mainly applic. to wireless) other than you. If you dont do this you can get in serious trouble not just with your isp but also the police
also illegal
Do not do any of what you have suggested, you can be heavily fined and even go to prison for it
Really?! Sorry I didn't realise. Scrap my suggestion. :)
Don't think you're allowed to do that... but you could just get a powerful wireless router and share that with your neighbours on your street. :)
How is that any different to using a wired solution?
The OP could buy a business product/reseller product and charge the rest of the street to help cover the additional cost but there wouldn't be that much of a saving and the OP would be responsible for all maintenance and such like.:erm:
prawncocktail
31-05-2007, 13:40
Really?! Sorry I didn't realise. Scrap my suggestion. :)
no problem, just be careful
I am intending to share a 20mb Virgin Media Broadband connection with other people in my street.
Would I be able to use the old rediffusion cable ducts for my new cabling?
Do Virgin Media prohibit you from sharing your broadband with other households?
The other problem I have to overcome is that Cat5e cabling has a maximum distance of only 90 metres and I think Cat6 can be run for only 150 metres.
Thanks in advance.
Prey do tell us WHY you want to do this, as as said before "it's a NO NO"
How is that any different to using a wired solution?
The OP could buy a business product/reseller product and charge the rest of the street to help cover the additional cost but there wouldn't be that much of a saving and the OP would be responsible for all maintenance and such like.:erm:
Sorry LOL.... I obviously didn't think it through....
Panes XP
31-05-2007, 13:47
When I phoned up Virgin Media last week asking about download limits, contention ratio etc.. I also asked whether I will be able to share my broadband with my neighbor and they interestingly said it was fine and that I will need to purchase a wireless router.
So I suppose thats a verbal contract?
Tightscot
31-05-2007, 14:31
So I suppose thats a verbal contract?
not worth the paper it's written on...:)
brundles
31-05-2007, 14:39
When I phoned up Virgin Media last week asking about download limits, contention ratio etc.. I also asked whether I will be able to share my broadband with my neighbor and they interestingly said it was fine and that I will need to purchase a wireless router.
So I suppose thats a verbal contract?
I believe that technically it's against the Ts&Cs to share the broadband outside the household that it's installed to.
If nothing else, I wouldn't be comfortable sharing my broadband connection to any device I wasn't aware of and couldn't exert some form of control/restrictions over. Whatever gets done on your broadband connection, whoever by eventually leads back to your front door.
xspeedyx
31-05-2007, 14:44
lol nice guy but nooooooooooooooo way are u meant to not sure how they will know this but I wouldntr risk that
Raistlin
31-05-2007, 15:10
Apart from the fact that it's against the Ts&Cs I don't think it would be a very good idea either.
Your neighbours could be downloading all sorts of unsavory content using your BB connection and there's little or nothing that you could do to prove it wasn't you.
Yep, as above if they download any games from P2P which are being monitored or any really nasty stuff then it's your IP, your internet account and you thats going to prison mate....not worth it, doesn't matter how much they're gonna pay ya ! ;)
also illegal
Do not do any of what you have suggested, you can be heavily fined and even go to prison for it. Your 20mb connection or any connection with any isp if for your use only, you are not allowed to share it and it is YOUR responsibility to make sure nobody can access your connection (mainly applic. to wireless) other than you. If you dont do this you can get in serious trouble not just with your isp but also the police
Since when can you go to prison for sharing your connection with someone else?
It's against the T&C of the service but not a criminal act punishable by imprisonment.
Since when can you go to prison for sharing your connection with someone else?
It's against the T&C of the service but not a criminal act punishable by imprisonment.
Using the redifusion pipes might be tho.
If you want to share the broadband, then i belive that you will need to goto ntl:telewest business
It will cost you more, but they will probably allow you to resell bandwidth (this is assumed but as they are going to be supplying my local datacenter, probably the case).
If you talk to your street, you may find that its worth it, If it say costs £100 a month, and you can get 10 people to pay £10 then your sorted.
If you want to use the redifusion pipes, i think you would have to do some re-search into who owns them. If it turns out that each household owns the pipe on their property, then you need to find out who owns the bits under the road etc. The local council may be able to help you with this, but it will probably take you hours of re-search.
georgepomone
31-05-2007, 19:47
Hi All,
Not 100% sure but I seem to remember that he will also need a Telecom License. I think it's anymore than two connected.
P.S.
different addresses I was meaning.
yeah, thats also possiable... never as simple as you think :)
For Wifi if you go that route, if it crosses public land you need a lience, and you need permission if it goes onto someoneselse land if i remember correctly.
So if you are on a private road, in theory you can do it using wireless but you would need everyones permission.
Apart from the fact that it's against the Ts&Cs I don't think it would be a very good idea either.
Your neighbours could be downloading all sorts of unsavory content using your BB connection and there's little or nothing that you could do to prove it wasn't you.
Luckily you dont have to.
They have to prove it WAS you. For all it's faults this country still runs on the basis of innocent until proven guilty.
Also, if there wasn't the legal grey area of you redistributing the connection (terms of service dont make something illegal) you wouldn't be liable for what anyone did with it as ISP's aren't liable for what passes through their network, only what they personally host.
Luckily you dont have to.
They have to prove it WAS you. For all it's faults this country still runs on the basis of innocent until proven guilty.
Also, if there wasn't the legal grey area of you redistributing the connection (terms of service dont make something illegal) you wouldn't be liable for what anyone did with it as ISP's aren't liable for what passes through their network, only what they personally host.
I was under the impression that as they can prove it arrived at your modem, they can prove it was your responsibility?
Steve-o||[^]
01-06-2007, 15:17
If you talk to your street, you may find that its worth it, If it say costs £100 a month, and you can get 10 people to pay £10 then your sorted.
on the leased line front, last time i checked i was quoted;
Install - FOC
Annual Rental - £9,000 (currently on half price offer)
Router Rental - £2,303/year
for a 4mbit line
I was under the impression that as they can prove it arrived at your modem, they can prove it was your responsibility?
I can force my pc to send you anything, it never has to be recieved the other end by anyone, it'll just be discarded by the router/pc. Does that mean that you're responsible for it?
I could fake http get requests to every child porn site in the world coming from your ip, the servers will attempt to serve the pages to you, your ip will show up in the logs, does that mean it's your responsibility?
The burden of absoloute proof lies with the accuser. They need solid concrete proof that it was YOU that requested the information, and YOU that recieved it.
People have got off charges because their pcs were infected with trojans that were acting as proxies, it's the same thing, unless there is concrete proof that you were the one downloading it (i.e. the file, or partial file is recoverable from a pc that belongs to you) then there is no proof, there is just circumstantial evidence.
For Wifi if you go that route, if it crosses public land you need a lience, and you need permission if it goes onto someoneselse land if i remember correctly.
So if you are on a private road, in theory you can do it using wireless but you would need everyones permission.
I'd like to see a link to info on this as my (and nearly every other) Wifi network is accessible from public land.
I'd like to see a link to info on this as my (and nearly every other) Wifi network is accessible from public land.
I found it on one of the Wisp forums a couple of months ago when i was looking at buying a full WISP billing system. I think it only comes into play when you try to sell access to it (again, i think, but the info is on one of the WISP forums)
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