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Downloads
23-03-2007, 07:55
Well, picked mine up at midnight (not cos i'm sad, cos i don't have any more holiday before the 1st of April gets here!) and my immediate first impressions are that blimey it's nicely designed! I thought something this big and heavy would look total garbage, but i have to say it looks great in the Unit and very polished.
I don't particularly like navigating through the PS3 menu, but i didn't like it on my PSP, so i guess that's no surprise. I much prefer the blades on my Xbox 360, maybe they will wake up to that one day.
Had some trouble signing up to the network, but sorted it in the end, i guess user error, but some better explanation would have helped me.
Can't comment on the Blueray side, hopefully my free copy of Casino Royale will turn up soon to test it out, which was a nice addition getting a free Blueray if you are one of the first 500k registering it.
I only bought one game as i really wanted Untold Legends, nearly bought Resistance but declined in the end. Motor Storm is an absolute corker though, absolutely bloody fntastic. Graphics are awsome, although it is a driving game, so they should be good.
Only bad thing is, i have to go to work now. Looking forward to the weekend though.
Bluffdemon
23-03-2007, 08:19
Congrats to you on your new PS3 !!! , I myself am a happy 360 owner but maybe oneday i will also get a PS3 if the price is right lol
Graham M
23-03-2007, 08:20
Congrats to you on your new PS3 !!! , I myself am a happy 360 owner but maybe oneday i will also get a PS3 if the price is right lol
You mean like £30 as a "Classic Console" in GameStation? ;)
You mean like £30 as a "Classic Console" in GameStation? ;)
Sounds good to me ;)
I hope you enjoy your console though :) My £425 is going ona month in Norway...
zing_deleted
23-03-2007, 08:24
mine will go on a R600 card soon as possible with a ton left for maybe some faster ram ;)
Bluffdemon
23-03-2007, 08:25
You mean like £30 as a "Classic Console" in GameStation? ;)
£30 now that is to expensive i was thinkin more on the £15 mark
ha ha ha ha ha
:p:
Wheres Parcel force when you need them? Sat here waiting for them to turn up... left the depot at 11pm last night.
Motorstorm is one of the top games... Dont support you had chance to download GT HD demo of the PS network did you?
Saaf_laandon_mo
23-03-2007, 09:02
do we need another Ps3 thread on the forum.... can't we just have one?
Tightscot
23-03-2007, 09:04
maybe we should have 3? ;)
too late, we already have....:D
DocDutch
23-03-2007, 09:06
Downloads, you should've gone to the Virgin on Oxford Street London.... read and weep http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23725
What makes me chuckle - if you look at the ebay completed listings for PS3, very few have been sold above the cost price :D, eg Sold for £400 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-Playstation-3-Premium-Console-60GB-PS3-UK-VERSION_W0QQitemZ290087106420QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem). Really glad I didn't jump on the bandwagon.
ukfletch
23-03-2007, 11:55
Sat here waiting for City (or is that Sh*ty) Link to deliver mine, which has been on a van in Coventry since 8.30am, and as I live 5 mins away from the damn place... ARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!
I took the damn day off as well. Wonder if the van has been 'jacked? Bast*rds...
Sat here waiting for City (or is that Sh*ty) Link to deliver mine, which has been on a van in Coventry since 8.30am, and as I live 5 mins away from the damn place... ARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!
I took the damn day off as well. Wonder if the van has been 'jacked? Bast*rds...
Maybe you will be getting it delivered at the end of the guys round as you are only a few mins from the depot and he'll get you you when he is on the way back.
Sat here waiting for City (or is that Sh*ty) Link to deliver mine, which has been on a van in Coventry since 8.30am, and as I live 5 mins away from the damn place... ARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!
I took the damn day off as well. Wonder if the van has been 'jacked? Bast*rds...
Mine went out for delivery at 11pm last night.... and it takes 20 minuites to drive to the depot... wonder what they have been doing for 13 hours?
ukfletch
23-03-2007, 12:24
Maybe you will be getting it delivered at the end of the guys round as you are only a few mins from the depot and he'll get you you when he is on the way back.
If he does, it'll be the LAST delivery he ever makes....
Grrrrr!:mad:
Got mine at midnight last night from Game, well impressed, got resistance and motorstorm (Oblivion on order from Amazon).
Strangely, no sign of life at Gamestation or Blockbuster for midnight openings, but crowd at Game were friendly and we all talked about what we'd traded in.
Apart from one guy whod traded in a PS2 and Wii, the rest of us had traded in our XBox 360's (total of 103 people in the line) so a lot of 360's traded in.
It's easy to set up, so now onto some good game playing.
Graham M
23-03-2007, 12:41
If he does, it'll be the LAST delivery he ever makes....
Grrrrr!:mad:
right... someone call the men in white coats.
If he does, it'll be the LAST delivery he ever makes....
Grrrrr!:mad:
lol, i know how you feel... want to know where mines its... but on the good side, they have to deliver it by 5:30 so the countdown is on...4:45 remaining :D
LostintheNW
23-03-2007, 13:24
Got mine at midnight last night from Game, well impressed, got resistance and motorstorm (Oblivion on order from Amazon).
Strangely, no sign of life at Gamestation or Blockbuster for midnight openings, but crowd at Game were friendly and we all talked about what we'd traded in.
Apart from one guy whod traded in a PS2 and Wii, the rest of us had traded in our XBox 360's (total of 103 people in the line) so a lot of 360's traded in.
It's easy to set up, so now onto some good game playing.
Yeah good game playing when something good comes out for it ;)
Thats not really many 360's at all. In Manchester I walked past game this morning and it was open and nicely empty, they are begging for people to buy the ps3, same at Virgin at lunch, no one is bothering with this machine - seems like Sony need to revisit the price for starters and what you get with it (or should that be what you dont get with it at the moment)
Early (and remember they are early) report seem to be that it did not sell a lot of the first day. Backed up by the fact they are all still ready to be sold. Please Please drop the price sony and i may get one if the price is right
Even if I was to get one with a discount I would still be paying £380, which is still to much.
TheBlueRaja
23-03-2007, 14:39
Early (and remember they are early) report seem to be that it did not sell a lot of the first day. Backed up by the fact they are all still ready to be sold. Please Please drop the price sony and i may get one if the price is right
What do you mean, the PS3 was a resounding success, selling out on the first day with barely a PS3 in stock anywhere in Europe.
Just wait and see - Sony will say it...
Oh - that and the Infernal American tanks are not in Baghdad!
Thank god they imported a million units into europe
Thank god they imported a million units into europe
What for??
To use as giant door stops:D
Oh they were Playstations, I thought they were George Foreman grills. Ooops.
ukfletch
23-03-2007, 15:37
It's here...
It's shiney, setting up WEP is pants!
Now updating to 1.60!
Thank god they imported a million units into europe
Yep. All those shelves were looking mighty empty.
Now they are full of large boxes to sit there, and sit there, and sit there, just waiting for people to walk past and pick up a Wii.
It's here...
It's shiney, setting up WEP is pants!
Now updating to 1.60!
Grr... Wheres Mine!!!!!!
Local Game had 14 units left in stock at 11.30am, having already sold 61 by then... They say they've taken over £30,000 in 2 hours... Ouch!
Still, apparently the units weren't pre-orders.
Downloads
23-03-2007, 17:02
All 3 of my local stores have sold out, i don't think it is as bad for them as predicted. I'm happy just to own the 360, Wii, PS3 and a kick **** PC, i'll leave the 'which one is better' to other people while i play on them.
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Downloads, you should've gone to the Virgin on Oxford Street London.... read and weep http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23725
Yeah man! Next time i am driving to London!
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do we need another Ps3 thread on the forum.... can't we just have one?
No.
If that's the case lets just have a thread for each console type. Or we can have multiple threads in the PS section, would look a bit stupid with just one.
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Congrats to you on your new PS3 !!! , I myself am a happy 360 owner but maybe oneday i will also get a PS3 if the price is right lol
Cheers dude, think it's just a case of more money than sense obviously.
LostintheNW
23-03-2007, 18:18
If you want one come to Manchester there are loads of them around in the stores, both staff in game and virgin were begging people to buy them. Virign had machines you could play yet no one was, except a couple of guys on ridge racer 7 which had shocking graphics and slowdown which many people laughed at. I had a go of VF5 on one of the machines...looks no different to a 360 and my god the game was shocking to respond to the controls!
paul nolan
23-03-2007, 18:37
or if you want one, there are currently over 1400 on sale on ebay, all struggling to get up to retail value.
...or 95% of the allocation are left in France :erm:
NEONKNIGHT
23-03-2007, 19:12
...or 95% of the allocation are left in France :erm:
They might as well store them in the car park at Euro Disney as that's not used either! :D :D :D
Dont worry! Amazon and Game have a load online!
gooner4life
23-03-2007, 20:27
Got home with mine just over an hour ago, picked it up with Motorstorm for £220 all in because i traded in 2 spare PSP's i had laying around with 6 games.
It's very nice I have to say
TheBlueRaja
23-03-2007, 21:04
Man this is bad for Sony, the Xbox was sold out for a good month or two and you couldnt get them anywhere, remember the Xbox 360 locator websites that were springing up.
Looked at Play.com just now - still in stock.... Oops!
Man this is bad for Sony, the Xbox was sold out for a good month or two and you couldnt get them anywhere, remember the Xbox 360 locator websites that were springing up.
Looked at Play.com just now - still in stock.... Oops!
You do know the PS3 has sold more on its launch ( especially now Europe has launched ) than the 360 did on its launch.
You do know the PS3 has sold more on its launch ( especially now Europe has launched ) than the 360 did on its launch.
link??
link??
http://videogamecharts.com/page3.html
http://kotaku.com/gaming/npd/npd-and-the--nextgen-launch-winner-is-228191.php
keithwalton
23-03-2007, 22:38
i would classify 'on launch' as its first month of sales, which according to that link puts the Wii on top with - 476k us units, followed by the x360 at 326k and the ps3 at 197k units.
Thats this generation devices which is down alot of the previous generations launch.
By month 2 yes the ps3 was ahead of the xbox 360, but now upto month 4 they are neck and neck.
These are us units though, you want to really look at global units sold
TheBlueRaja
23-03-2007, 22:41
You do know the PS3 has sold more on its launch ( especially now Europe has launched ) than the 360 did on its launch.
Those figures dont mean squat - you could get an Xbox 360 at launch for love nor money - Microsoft didnt have the stock for at least 2 months.
http://videogamecharts.com/page3.html
http://kotaku.com/gaming/npd/npd-and-the--nextgen-launch-winner-is-228191.php
you didn't read those sites did you ?????
i quote ' Why did you do a link to Japan only sales when asking what the 360 did worldwide? Not very bright, or did I miss something?'
these are japan only sales in the second link :) ,
quite obvious sony are gonna do better there , you need to look at the table at the bottom of the first link to see who is out selling who , as for us sales in the first four months of sales , x-box 360 sold more ?? , i don't see your point ?, the 360 sales were slow at launch also due to massive shortage
TheBlueRaja
23-03-2007, 22:44
In fact if you look at those figures the 360 outsold the PS3 significantly in the months available since launch..
http://videogamecharts.com/Gallery/albums/album01/MonthlyVideoGameSalesUS_003.gif
In fact the 360 sold 300,000 more units in the same month the PS3 launched, which is supposed to have been its strongest month LOL.
Thanks for the link shawty.
Those figures dont mean squat - you could get an Xbox 360 at launch for love nor money - Microsoft didnt have the stock for at least 2 months.
Ahhhhhh see, you cant have it both ways, it was either hard to get hold of or they were selling well.
"Man this is bad for Sony, the Xbox was sold out for a good month or two and you couldnt get them anywhere, remember the Xbox 360 locator websites that were springing up."
That implys that you mean they sold well and all sold out, and does not imply that the 360 had shortages and not many consoles available., so of course. they were sold out because once everyone got them, the stock had frooze. Just like the Wii has now.
But for the 4 months the PS3 has been out, it is outselling the 360 when that was out for 4 months. We will see what happens from here.
Woah, xbox had its strongest two months directly after the PS3 came out.
I wonder if awibble got his today. I got the impression he was kind of looking forward to it.
(I hope you did awibble ;) and are enjoying it as we speak)
TheBlueRaja
23-03-2007, 22:51
Ahhhhhh see, you cant have it both ways, it was either hard to get hold of or they were selling well.
"Man this is bad for Sony, the Xbox was sold out for a good month or two and you couldnt get them anywhere, remember the Xbox 360 locator websites that were springing up."
That implys that you mean they sold well and all sold out, and does not imply that the 360 had shortages and not many consoles available., so of course. they were sold out because once everyone got them, the stock had frooze. Just like the Wii has now.
But for the 4 months the PS3 has been out, it is outselling the 360 when that was out for 4 months. We will see what happens from here.
Eh, no its not - if you take the first 4 months of sales (see picture above) you will see that the 360 sold better in 3 of the 4 months DESPITE stock shortages...
paul nolan
23-03-2007, 22:52
http://videogamecharts.com/page3.html
in fact that video game chart link shows some quite damning numbers for Sony....
Only 127,000 consoles sold in its 3rd full month since launch! Looking at the rest of the stats on that chart, only the Gamecube sold lower in it's 3rd full month of sale.
the 360 sold 161,000 in the equivalent month (and that's the only time it sold under 190,000 in a month), and that equivalent month is when the 360's stock was only just becoming readily available. You can walk in and pick up a PS3 from any American store shelf.
you didn't read those sites did you ?????
i quote ' Why did you do a link to Japan only sales when asking what the 360 did worldwide? Not very bright, or did I miss something?'
these are japan only sales in the second link :) ,
quite obvious sony are gonna do better there , you need to look at the table at the bottom of the first link to see who is out selling who , as for us sales in the first four months of sales , x-box 360 sold more ?? , i don't see your point ?, the 360 sales were slow at launch also due to massive shortage
I think you need to read before jumping to conclusions, they are not Japanese sales. The second link adds up to the table, look at the dates. No the PS3 sold more in the first 4 months of the console launches. PS3 sales are slow due to the price, still seems to be leading when you compare both launches.
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Eh, no its not - if you take the first 4 months of sales (see picture above) you will see that the 360 sold better in 3 of the 4 months DESPITE stock shortages...
If you take the first 4 months from both the PS3 is winning, thats what i was pointing out to you.
Uncle Peter
23-03-2007, 22:55
Christmas will be the crunch time but Sony need exclusives - good ones.
Popped into game today hoping to try out Motorstorm but they didn't have a demo display despite having the consoles in stock.
If you take the first 4 months from both the PS3 is winning, thats what i was pointing out to you.
Only because of stock shortages though, if you look since the PS3 sold out the xbox is selling more per month than the PS3 dispite PS3 being new
TheBlueRaja
23-03-2007, 22:58
If you take the first 4 months from both the PS3 is winning, thats what i was pointing out to you.
YES, your correct but what im pointing out to you is that you couldn't get a 360 at launch for love nor money, the PS3's are still on the shelf.
Look at the figures for April 06 and beyond, they jump right up when stock starts to arrive.
Christmas 06 sales for the 360 which, at that time, was a year old console are almost 3 times as much as the newly release PS3.
The PS3 is getting humped.
YES, your correct but what im pointing out to you is that you couldn't get a 360 at launch for love nor money, the PS3's are still on the shelf.
Look at the figures for April 06 and beyond, they jump right up when stock starts to arrive.
And? Reasons, 360 had no consoles to ship, PS3 is to expensive. We will see what happens from here. But at this point in time the PS3 is outselling the 360 when you compare the launches of each. Dont forget the PS3 had stock shortages when these numbers came in to - http://kotaku.com/gaming/npd/npd-and-the--nextgen-launch-winner-is-228191.php
Yeah and on month 9 and 10 they are back down again.
Also dont forget, the 360 was the only new gen console and had no compertion the PS3 has the Wii and 360 to compete with.
TheBlueRaja
23-03-2007, 23:06
And? Reasons, 360 had no consoles to ship, PS3 is to expensive. We will see what happens from here. But at this point in time the PS3 is outselling the 360 when you compare the launches of each. Dont forget the PS3 had stock shortages when these numbers came in to - http://kotaku.com/gaming/npd/npd-and-the--nextgen-launch-winner-is-228191.php
Yeah and on month 9 and 10 they are back down again.
Also dont forget, the 360 was the only new gen console and had no compertion the PS3 has the Wii and 360 to compete with.
Sorry but your crazy man...
You basing your defence on two months, the summer months, which are quiet traditionally (as everyones out enjoying the sun) and these figures are still higher than 2 months out of the 4 since the playstations launch.
YES, your correct but what im pointing out to you is that you couldn't get a 360 at launch for love nor money, the PS3's are still on the shelf.
Look at the figures for April 06 and beyond, they jump right up when stock starts to arrive.
Christmas 06 sales for the 360 which, at that time, was a year old console are almost 3 times as much as the newly release PS3.
The PS3 is getting humped.
Come on play fair, use launch to launch to launch figures. Here is a stat for you anyway. The old PS2 has outsolde the 360 in the US every month apart from one ( APR 06 )
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Sorry but your crazy man...
Why because i actually have a valid point? You can compare Xmas sales to launch sales after Xmas as much as you want, i will stick with comparing launch figures.
You only want to compare launch figures because its the only one that you think you have a point, but the xbox could not sell anymore. Dispite the demand being there.
The point is Sony will be in 3rd place and by the sales figures you posed that seems correct.
Come on play fair, use launch to launch to launch figures. Here is a stat for you anyway. The old PS2 has outsolde the 360 in the US every month apart from one ( APR 06 )
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Why because i actually have a valid point? You can compare Xmas sales to launch sales after Xmas as much as you want, i will stick with comparing launch figures.
Well the old PS2 does only cost a lot less. I know Asda were knocking them out for £50 not so long ago. Its also been on sale for 7 years.
Well the old PS2 does only cost a lot less. I know Asda were knocking them out for £50 not so long ago. Its also been on sale for 7 years.
Its just him selecting a narrow point of the figures instead of the overall picture to try and avoid dealing with the fact that the PS3 is selling less the the xbox. Even in the month the PS3 came out
You only want to compare launch figures because its the only one that you think you have a point, but the xbox could not sell anymore. Dispite the demand being there.
The point is Sony will be in 3rd place and by the sales figures you posed that seems correct.
See the point is im not saying it wont be, ive upset you all and now your attacking with the PS3 will be last ect ect.
The only real estimation you can get is comparing launch figures. and 4 months in the PS3 is ontop. I never said it would stay there, we will have to see about that.
TheBlueRaja
23-03-2007, 23:14
Come on play fair, use launch to launch to launch figures. Here is a stat for you anyway. The old PS2 has outsolde the 360 in the US every month apart from one ( APR 06 )
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Why because i actually have a valid point? You can compare Xmas sales to launch sales after Xmas as much as you want, i will stick with comparing launch figures.
Mate, believe what you want, for your sake i hope its not 425 quid let down and you enjoy your PS3. Im not going to rationalise with you any more as your not seeing the big picture either because you choose not too or you just cant see it.
Its just him selecting a narrow point of the figures instead of the overall picture to try and avoid dealing with the fact that the PS3 is selling less the the xbox. Even in the month the PS3 came out
Not at all the PS3 has been out for 4 months, when the 360 was out for 4 months they had less consoles sold. Thats the only way of comparing the 2 launch to launch.
Not at all the PS3 has been out for 4 months, when the 360 was out for 4 months they had less consoles sold. Thats the only way of comparing the 2 launch to launch.
You cant compare them! The Xbox did not have enough consoles to sell. How is it a fair comparison.
Mate, believe what you want, for your sake i hope its not 425 quid let down and you enjoy your PS3. Im not going to rationalise with you any more as your not seeing the big picture either because you choose not too or you just cant see it.
Hmmmm, now you saying i have a PS3? Seems strange you dont even know me. I believe the launch to launch figures, if that shows in 1 month or 2 months time the 360 is selling more then thats fine with me.
I remember when the PS2 came out. I was working for Game(Well Electronics Boutique back then)
Our store got 187 consoles and of them 176 were pre orders. All picked up on launch day. Considering they were £299 each and the console was hard to get hold of for a while the PS3 launch doesn't seem as good at all.
Well the old PS2 does only cost a lot less. I know Asda were knocking them out for £50 not so long ago. Its also been on sale for 7 years....and it's got an amazing back catalogue. Some real classics were and are still being released for the PS2.
TheBlueRaja
23-03-2007, 23:18
Hmmmm, now you saying i have a PS3? Seems strange you dont even know me. I believe the launch to launch figures, if that shows in 1 month or 2 months time the 360 is selling more then thats fine with me.
I would have said it was a valid assumption, if i'm wrong, no matter, it has no baring on the discussion.
You cant compare them! The Xbox did not have enough consoles to sell. How is it a fair comparison.
The PS3 didnt for its first 1 month or 2, thats why the the launch figures went from a predicted 400.000 to actually only shipping/selling 197.000. Plus the PS3 price and compertion it has, Wii and 360. But the only way you can compare the two is the launches of them both, both had setbacks.
TBH, I hope that things improve for Sony, as I'd hate to see the only competition that MS face being the Wii.
I would have said it was a valid assumption, if i'm wrong, no matter, it has no baring on the discussion.
It has you have just assumed i have a PS3. Must mean something. You think im a fanboy who cant get enough of Sony, thats not the case. Im just saying the only way you can compare the two is launch to launch and not xmas sales 06 to launch sales.
The PS3 didnt for its first 1 month or 2, thats why the the launch figures went from a predicted 400.000 to actually only shipping/selling 197.000. Plus the PS3 price and compertion it has, Wii and 360. But the only way you can compare the two is the launches of them both, both had setbacks.
You could pick up a PS3 early on from a shop after the first week. Xbox were in short supply until April when the sales shot up because of the pent up demand. The fact is Microsoft were selling260s as they were making them, something that cannot be said of sony. In the four months the PS3 is out, where people have a choice. They go for xbox and wii before ps3
Yes the PS3 has compertion and both are more popular than the PS3 so i guess that hurt sales.
TheBlueRaja
23-03-2007, 23:23
It has you have just assumed i have a PS3. Must mean something. You think im a fanboy who cant get enough of Sony, thats not the case. Im just saying the only way you can compare the two is launch to launch and not xmas sales 06 to launch sales.
Here comes the paranoia...
I assumed you had a PS3 because you were defending it so vehemently when it was obvious that what you believe to be the case is simply wrong whatever way you choose to attempt to fiddle it.
You assumed i think your a fanboy, just like i assumed you had a PS3.
I just think your a bit delusional..
You could pick up a PS3 early on from a shop after the first week. Xbox were in short supply until April when the sales shot up because of the pent up demand.
Yes the PS3 has compertion and both are more popular than the PS3 so i guess that hurt sales.
As far as im aware, you stuggled to get a PS3 up until xmas. So whats to say the PS3 sales wont shot up? For all we know Sony may do a price cut in the US. And it is been talked about and rumored and not just to expect one in 2008, they might not have a choice.
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Here comes the paranoia...
I assumed you had a PS3 because you were defending it so vehemently when it was obvious that what you believe to be the case is simply wrong whatever way you choose to attempt to fiddle it.
You assumed i think your a fanboy, just like i assumed you had a PS3.
I just think your a bit delusional..
No, i know you think im a fanboy from previous run ins with you. You can deny it all you want though. Ive not had a bad thing to say about the compertion, but it seems no matter what the topic is, the same old peopl;e are there with PS3, rumors or bad press ect ect and not there when the good stuff is mentioned.
As far as im aware, you stuggled to get a PS3 up until xmas.Yes, but only in the countries where it hadn't been released at that time :D
TheBlueRaja
23-03-2007, 23:30
No, i know you think im a fanboy from previous run ins with you. You can deny it all you want though. Ive not had a bad thing to say about the compertion, but it seems no matter what the topic is, the same old peopl;e are there with PS3, rumors or bad press ect ect and not there when the good stuff is mentioned.
What good stuff?
Hope you're not implying moi...? I posted a thread about Little Big Project as I think it looks pretty neat.
What good stuff?
PS3 Home?
Littlebigplanet?
I thinbk the fact that you said what good stuff says it all really to.
Downloads
23-03-2007, 23:34
I think all 3 consoles are worth defending. I won't have anybody talking bad about my 360, PS3 or Wii!
I agree though, i hope Sony does well, the best only comes with competition.
Motor Storm is an absolutely fantastic game, and there's no getting away from that. I still favour my 360, but that's cos it got in there first, the titles near Christmas for the PS3 will say a lot, i remember many baron months waiting for a half decent game for the 360 to come out. Oblivion had to last me about 4 months cos there was nothing else worth getting.
Tech_Boy
24-03-2007, 00:07
£425 for a games console?:Yikes:
That's more than I just paid for a J reg E class Merc that is pretty much immaculate. :D
What good stuff?
i wonder if the future holds a VM PS3 STB perhaps, now that would be good stuff, and bransons crew might be in a position to commission that possible future box.
essentially remove the BR (or NOT,soas to sell BR too), put in the required cable tuners and you have a massive potential to tap into the future PS3 online community and its micropayment systems, hard for other ISPs to compeate with that kind of long term profit potential.
makes the investment in the advanced console/STB seem tiny and your users are renting these STB's anyway so the 3rd party is taking that risk not VM as such as they already have the crumby TVdrive for those that dont want to pay the extra £5 a month or what ever.
dont over price the box though so as to get massive growth of the profitable services that use this imaginary future PS3 STB.
i wonder if the future holds a VM PS3 STB perhaps, now that would be good stuff, and bransons crew might be in a position to commission that possible future box.
essentially remove the BR (or NOT,soas to sell BR too), put in the required cable tuners and you have a massive potential to tap into the future PS3 online community and its micropayment systems, hard for other ISPs to compeate with that kind of long term profit potential.
makes the investment in the advanced console/STB seem tiny and your users are renting these STB's anyway so the 3rd party is taking that risk not VM as such as they already have the crumby TVdrive for those that dont want to pay the extra £5 a month or what ever.
dont over price the box though so as to get massive growth of the profitable services that use this imaginary future PS3 STB.
Huh? You on drugs or something?
£425 for a games console?:Yikes:
That's more than I just paid for a J reg E class Merc that is pretty much immaculate. :D
£425 for a bluray player, hmm hard to say weather thats CURRENTLY good value or not, how much do you watch/spend on video content i guess.
keithwalton
24-03-2007, 00:45
Not at all the PS3 has been out for 4 months, when the 360 was out for 4 months they had less consoles sold. Thats the only way of comparing the 2 launch to launch.
4 Months is hardly 'launch' time frame, even so in total sales after this time period from just over a million units sold each the ps3 is ahead by 41k units.
Hardly a massive difference considering the wii is 800k units ahead of them both.
Interesting numbers however are when the 3 units are on sale at the same time, even though the xbox 360 is now some 16 months old compared to 4 months of the ps3.
over the 4 months they have been in direct competition the xbox has had 2.60x, 2.24x, 1.20x and 1.79x the sales for each month respectively
Huh? You on drugs or something?
what do you mean?, you are aware that the PS3/CELL was designed for, and they are officially looking to place this tech into the worlds STB markets?, i guess not...
perhaps your too busy taking your drugs to read the tech info and news sites over the last few years then.
what do you mean?, you are aware that the PS3/CELL was designed for, and they are officially looking to place this tech into the worlds STB markets?, i guess not...
perhaps your too busy taking your drugs to read the tech info and news sites over the last few years then.
Well unless you can provide links i will believe your on drugs rather than believing that. Yes the Cell was not just made for the PS3 but is in the future to go into TV's and a whole lot of electronic goods. Not sure where you got the STB's bit linked with the PS3 though.
what do you mean?, you are aware that the PS3/CELL was designed for, and they are officially looking to place this tech into the worlds STB markets?, i guess not...
perhaps your too busy taking your drugs to read the tech info and news sites over the last few years then.
Trust me - not worth it ;)
Trust me - not worth it ;)
You sure about that, you stalking me? Why dont you just ignore me, instead of trying to be clever. Would you like to provide the link to STB's?
Trust me - not worth it ;)
:D
well he's just 22 so he's got lots of time to learn.;)
theres a massive profit out there in micro payments if they do it right, the queston is , will they......
4 Months is hardly 'launch' time frame, even so in total sales after this time period from just over a million units sold each the ps3 is ahead by 41k units.
Hardly a massive difference considering the wii is 800k units ahead of them both.
Interesting numbers however are when the 3 units are on sale at the same time, even though the xbox 360 is now some 16 months old compared to 4 months of the ps3.
over the 4 months they have been in direct competition the xbox has had 2.60x, 2.24x, 1.20x and 1.79x the sales for each month respectively
Im not saying it is a massive difference, what i am saying is it is a difference in the PS3's favour. I was qouting this qoute -
"Man this is bad for Sony, the Xbox was sold out for a good month or two and you couldnt get them anywhere, remember the Xbox 360 locator websites that were springing up."
We will see what happens in the coming months, at the end of the day after 4 months of been on sale for both of them the PS3 is slightly ahead. Regardless of price, availability, games ect ect.
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:D
well he's just 22 so he's got lots of time to learn.;)
theres a massive profit out there in micro payments if they do it right, the queston is , will they......
You still havent provided the link to STB's. What has my age got to do with anything?
Im not saying it is a massive difference, what i am saying is it is a difference in the PS3's favour. I was qouting this qoute -
"Man this is bad for Sony, the Xbox was sold out for a good month or two and you couldnt get them anywhere, remember the Xbox 360 locator websites that were springing up."
We will see what happens in the coming months, at the end of the day after 4 months of been on sale for both of them the PS3 is slightly ahead. Regardless of price, availability, games ect ect.
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You still havent provided the link to STB's. What has my age got to do with anything?
when i get the time i will dont worry..
age is more than a persons time on the planet, theres some very good open minded younger people here, and there are some very closed minded people too, which are you, it appears so far with your drugs comment that you want to come across as closed minded (and thats fine if thats your way) , perhaps im wrong and you have just had a bad day at work (assuming you do !).
do you see the potential for a future PS3 STB as a good thing or bad, why?.
hi i got a ps3 and a hd ready tv but when u going to setting and display settings it is on standard pal do u have to buy the hdmi cable for it
when i get the time i will dont worry..
age is more than a persons time on the planet, theres some very good open minded younger people here, and there are some very closed minded people too, which are you, it appears so far with your drugs comment that you want to come across as closed minded (and thats fine if thats your way) , perhaps im wrong and you have just had a day day at work (assuming you do !).
do you see the potential for a future PS3 STB as a good thing or bad, why?.
I want to know why you are linking PS3's with STB's. Are you getting confussed with the cell chip maybe being used in TV's or maybe STB's. My drugs comment is all the stuff about Virgin Media PS3's, ive been following the PS3 since it got announced and no where have i seen anything about a PS3 STB, only that the Cell chip could be used in different electronic goods.
My age has nothing to do with it, im not closed minded, unless your willing to provide a link, it doesnt really excist, and ive never heard it mentioned before. And yes i work, why would you put that that at the end?
So come on were does it state about PS3 STB's?
hi i got a ps3 and a hd ready tv but when u going to setting and display settings it is on standard pal do u have to buy the hdmi cable for it
does any one know
hi i got a ps3 and a hd ready tv but when u going to setting and display settings it is on standard pal do u have to buy the hdmi cable for it
does any one know
Yes you will need a HDMI cable to play in HD. All though im sure you can play HD over component, which none come with the console.
Yes you will need a HDMI cable to play in HD. All though im sure you can play HD over component, which none come with the console.
ok thanks ii be going to buy one them
I want to know why you are linking PS3's with STB's. Are you getting confussed with the cell chip maybe being used in TV's or maybe STB's. My drugs comment is all the stuff about Virgin Media PS3's, ive been following the PS3 since it got announced and no where have i seen anything about a PS3 STB, only that the Cell chip could be used in different electronic goods.
My age has nothing to do with it, im not closed minded, unless your willing to provide a link, it doesnt really excist, and ive never heard it mentioned before. And yes i work, why would you put that that at the end?
So come on were does it state about PS3 STB's?
hmmm who said anything about this future PS3 STB already OFFICIALLY existing and/or its information is currently in the public domain.
im not currently aware of any future VM PS3/CELL STB plan, however just because you or i are not aware of such things doesnt mean they dont exist in prototype/reference design licenceable form etc from some company, probably the far east or IBM first if anywere.
while it may be cheaper over the long term to redesign the PCB for exclusive STB use for instance , its perfectly possible to take the current PCB and remove the unneeded parts if wanted.
you make claim that you follow the PS3 news,so its assumed with you saying "ive been following the PS3 since it got announced" that somewere you have read the spec and so on and are fully aware that the PS3 is essentially a CELL chip with a few extra chips to better the performance that gamers expect.
its also assumed that your aware in these years of posts you have followed that the CELL can reproduce the these current gfx and sound all on its own ?, sure not so many fpu's etc perhaps but they were going to release the PS3 without these extra chips and only changed last year
these are NOT the reworked PS3 PCB .
PS3 internals
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=35549
the PS3 Gfx system is
OpenGL ES, the embedded version of the popular OpenGL graphics API.
OpenVG, for hardware-accelerated 2D vector graphics.
OpenMAX, a collection of fast, cross-platform tools for general "media acceleration," such as matrix calculations.
COLLADA, an open format for 3D models.
IPv6, for connection to the next-generation Internet.
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2005/tc20050624_4088_tc024.htm
"JUNE 24, 2005
A Tech Trio's Hard Cell
IBM, Sony, and Toshiba hope designers will master new skills to tap the full potential of their jointly developed chip. History says that's a big "if"
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Twenty-two million units ain't bad for a brand new chip. That's the prospect for Cell in its first two years, when the innovative offering ships with Sony's (SNE (http://javascript<b></b>: void showTicker('SNE')) ) new Playstation 3 console. But that won't be enough to satisfy IBM (IBM (http://javascript<b></b>: void showTicker('IBM')) ). Big Blue, along with Toshiba and Sony, developed the chip over a period of four years, costing the partners over $400 million.
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IBM thinks Cell's innovative design is a perfect fit in TVs, set-top boxes, and a host of multimedia applications -- everything from entertainment to medicine and defense. The hurdle, however, is getting developers to write special software for Cell's unusual architecture. "Cell is not good for general-purpose code," says Kevin Krewell, editor-in-chief of The MicroProcessor Report, "The challenge is programming it."
"
some more overview of were sony and the other players will be making the cash (hint ,its not the hardware as such, though that is what enables the profits potential).
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/5829/
http://www.instat.com/Abstract.asp?ID=212&SKU=IN0602977CM
http://www.instat.com/catalog/ccatalogue.asp?id=162
http://tech.uk.msn.com/features/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4090816
not ps3 but stb related as to were their going, why not a PS3/cell at their hart and maximise the income long term....
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/03/20/samsung-launches-smt-h6155-high-def-wifi-stb/
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5189647857.html
as a final note for now (work to be done LOL)
dont you think it would be in IBM, Sony, and Toshiba's interests to offer Virgin Media the UK's largest cable operator a good deal on licencing and manufacture of PS3/CELL compatable STB's and services/advertising tie-in's to name but a few options........
hmmm who said anything about this future PS3 STB already OFFICIALLY existing and/or its information is currently in the public domain.
im not currently aware of any future VM PS3/CELL STB plan, however just because you or i are not aware of such things doesnt mean they dont exist in prototype/reference design licenceable form etc from some company, probably the far east or IBM first if anywere.
while it may be cheaper over the long term to redesign the PCB for exclusive STB use for instance , its perfectly possible to take the current PCB and remove the unneeded parts if wanted.
you make claim that you follow the PS3 news,so its assumed with you saying "ive been following the PS3 since it got announced" that somewere you have read the spec and so on and are fully aware that the PS3 is essentially a CELL chip with a few extra chips to better the performance that gamers expect.
its also assumed that your aware in these years of posts you have followed that the CELL can reproduce the these current gfx and sound all on its own ?, sure not so many fpu's etc perhaps but they were going to release the PS3 without these extra chips and only changed last year
these are NOT the reworked PS3 PCB .
PS3 internals
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=35549
the PS3 Gfx system is
OpenGL ES, the embedded version of the popular OpenGL graphics API.
OpenVG, for hardware-accelerated 2D vector graphics.
OpenMAX, a collection of fast, cross-platform tools for general "media acceleration," such as matrix calculations.
COLLADA, an open format for 3D models.
IPv6, for connection to the next-generation Internet.
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2005/tc20050624_4088_tc024.htm
"JUNE 24, 2005
A Tech Trio's Hard Cell
IBM, Sony, and Toshiba hope designers will master new skills to tap the full potential of their jointly developed chip. History says that's a big "if"
http://www.businessweek.com/common_images/bw_1x1.gif
Twenty-two million units ain't bad for a brand new chip. That's the prospect for Cell in its first two years, when the innovative offering ships with Sony's (SNE (http://javascript<b></b>: void showTicker('SNE')) ) new Playstation 3 console. But that won't be enough to satisfy IBM (IBM (http://javascript<b></b>: void showTicker('IBM')) ). Big Blue, along with Toshiba and Sony, developed the chip over a period of four years, costing the partners over $400 million.
[Mod edit (Gavin): Accidental link to advert removed] [/URL]
IBM thinks Cell's innovative design is a perfect fit in TVs, set-top boxes, and a host of multimedia applications -- everything from entertainment to medicine and defense. The hurdle, however, is getting developers to write special software for Cell's unusual architecture. "Cell is not good for general-purpose code," says Kevin Krewell, editor-in-chief of The MicroProcessor Report, "The challenge is programming it."
"
some more overview of were sony and the other players will be making the cash (hint ,its not the hardware as such, though that is what enables the profits potential).
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/5829/
http://www.instat.com/Abstract.asp?ID=212&SKU=IN0602977CM
http://www.instat.com/catalog/ccatalogue.asp?id=162
http://tech.uk.msn.com/features/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4090816
not ps3 but stb related as to were their going, why not a PS3/cell at their hart and maximise the income long term....
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/03/20/samsung-launches-smt-h6155-high-def-wifi-stb/
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5189647857.html
as a final note for now (work to be done LOL)
dont you think it would be in IBM, Sony, and Toshiba's interests to offer Virgin Media the UK's largest cable operator a good deal on licencing and manufacture of PS3/CELL compatable STB's and services/advertising tie-in's to name but a few options........
Thanks for proving my instincts right, look behind all that tech talk and you will see the PS3 is not just a a Cell processor. You will not get PS3 STB's, that makes no sense, like i said earlier your getting mixed up with then they said about using the Cell chip for stuff like TV's and STB's like you point out. I would quit with the speculation and just carry on with your work, lets hope thats a bit better.
The PS3 is not the Cell and the Cell is not the PS3. the Cell processor is just a part used in the PS3 that in the future could be used to power TV's ect ect. Im not sure where you have pulled a PS3 STB from, vert strange.
Virgin Media, who seem to be making things worse, for me at least and with slow channel change on the new V+ box, im sure the last thing they could afford is to start using the cell chip in there STB's and why justy Virgin? Why not Sky?
Im sorry but this PS3/STB your talking is crap. All you mean is the chip that is used in the PS3 might be used for other electronics yet. You wont get a PS3 STB, you might if they decide to do it get an STB powered by the cell processor.
Thanks for proving my instincts right, look behind all that tech talk and you will see the PS3 is not just a a Cell processor. You will not get PS3 STB's, that makes no sense, like i said earlier your getting mixed up with then they said about using the Cell chip for stuff like TV's and STB's like you point out. I would quit with the speculation and just carry on with your work, lets hope thats a bit better.
The PS3 is not the Cell and the Cell is not the PS3. the Cell processor is just a part used in the PS3 that in the future could be used to power TV's ect ect. Im not sure where you have pulled a PS3 STB from, vert strange.
Virgin Media, who seem to be making things worse, for me at least and with slow channel change on the new V+ box, im sure the last thing they could afford is to start using the cell chip in there STB's and why justy Virgin? Why not Sky?
Im sorry but this PS3/STB your talking is crap. All you mean is the chip that is used in the PS3 might be used for other electronics yet. You wont get a PS3 STB, you might if they decide to do it get an STB powered by the cell processor.
:rofl:
your a funny guy shawty, telling me what I mean when you cant even understand why the TVdrive is slow......
you cleary dont understand the concept of intigration,SOC and Co-processors, but thats OK as long as you want to learn you will.
it appears your the one thats mixed up and dont realise/understand that the PPC core and the SPU's that make up the CELL are what makes the PS3 what it it, else it would be just another PPC 360 with a different gfx chip and SOC for the ps2 emulation (ohh wait they took that out for the EU and replaced it with PPC/SPU software emulation).
your the one thats talking crap when you say this or that 'wont happen' without even making an effort to put your case why thats your opinion , next you will be stating as fact i suppose that the main players are not making STB/IPTV the center of their potential long term future income.
oh wait... they are(find the link yourself,instead of getting others to do the work), and that includes Microsoft's PPC based Xbox 360 and their future IPTV/STB plans.
:rolleyes: , perhaps Nugget was right ........:Yikes: ;)
ukfletch
24-03-2007, 09:18
hi i got a ps3 and a hd ready tv but when u going to setting and display settings it is on standard pal do u have to buy the hdmi cable for it
Yes :p:
And as for the NDF and MDF posters and Haters...
Guys, I have now had the PS3 in the house for around 18 hours, bought Tekken and dl'd GTHD, played Motorstorm & NHL2k7 (with the wife).
I love my PS3!
I also love my 360, our PS2, the daughters PSP & DS...
They are all great, and diversity in the market will make the line up stronger. I will buy games for both the 360 and PS3, as I will buy HD-DVD and Blu-Ray (until one maybe wins) BUT will still enjoy my catalogue of both disks.
PS3Wii60 FTW!
Stop hating, start loving again!
Downloads
24-03-2007, 09:50
Yes :p:
And as for the NDF and MDF posters and Haters...
Guys, I have now had the PS3 in the house for around 18 hours, bought Tekken and dl'd GTHD, played Motorstorm & NHL2k7 (with the wife).
I love my PS3!
I also love my 360, our PS2, the daughters PSP & DS...
They are all great, and diversity in the market will make the line up stronger. I will buy games for both the 360 and PS3, as I will buy HD-DVD and Blu-Ray (until one maybe wins) BUT will still enjoy my catalogue of both disks.
PS3Wii60 FTW!
Stop hating, start loving again!
Here here, no more hating!
What did you reckon of Motor Storm mate?
ukfletch
24-03-2007, 10:15
Motorstorm - OFFICIALLY the most fun I've had playing a racing game in years!
Start using 6-Axis and Cockpit view, and stick with it - AWESOME! Well, it was after 3 tries and coming last every other time, then trying it like this and hitting a 3rd place.
Some more practice later, then online I go!
And for £7 Tekken is the best value game I have ever bought. Especially the Panda!
:rofl:
your a funny guy shawty, telling me what I mean when you cant even understand why the TVdrive is slow......
you cleary dont understand the concept of intigration,SOC and Co-processors, but thats OK as long as you want to learn you will.
it appears your the one thats mixed up and dont realise/understand that the PPC core and the SPU's that make up the CELL are what makes the PS3 what it it, else it would be just another PPC 360 with a different gfx chip and SOC for the ps2 emulation (ohh wait they took that out for the EU and replaced it with PPC/SPU software emulation).
your the one thats talking crap when you say this or that 'wont happen' without even making an effort to put your case why thats your opinion , next you will be stating as fact i suppose that the main players are not making STB/IPTV the center of their potential long term future income.
oh wait... they are(find the link yourself,instead of getting others to do the work), and that includes Microsoft's PPC based Xbox 360 and their future IPTV/STB plans.
:rolleyes: , perhaps Nugget was right ........:Yikes: ;)
I understand why TV Drive is slow, as far as im aware its lacking memory, my point stilkl stands that if they cant have the latest box without slow down issues due to memory then i doubt they will be putting the Cell into the their STB's.
The Cell doesnt make the PS3 you fool, take everything else away apart from the Cell and you have a peice of hardware that will be useless, its part of a group of things that make the PS3. Just like my processor in my computer is not my computer and is part of it, the Cell is the same, its just a processor. It is just another 360 ( or games console ) just with a different processor chip in it.
Microsoft are bringing out IPTV STB's, these are not Xbox 360's, Microsoft is bringing out the IPTV service for the Xbox 360, this does not necessarily make it an STB but a games console with the software loaded onto it.
Let me tell you again. 1) I dont know why you used Virgin Media? What about Sky? 2) If they do put the Cell into a VIrgin Media STB, that will not make it an PS3 STB. IF someone brings out IPTV services for the PS3, that does not mean the PS3 will become a STB, it will still be a games/entertainment system.
I still dont get what your talking about here "i wonder if the future holds a VM PS3 STB perhaps" Whats a Virgin Media PS3 STB. If your talking about the Cell chip going into Virgin Media STB's, then yes that could happen but would not make it a PS3 STB, it would just beanother STB thats run by the Cell. If you mean Virgin Media will provide the software for IPTV on the PS3 then it will still be a gaming/entertainment system. Other than that i dont have a clue what you mean with a PS3 STB.
No nugget is not right, maybe by that comment he made, you can see he is quite childish.
Downloads
24-03-2007, 11:04
Motorstorm - OFFICIALLY the most fun I've had playing a racing game in years!
Thats what i thought, i generally go for FPS, mmorpgs, strategy, RPGs etc.
I pretty much hate racing games, but this one is awsome.
Aside from arguments about whether it's better than 360, how about some of the idiots on ebay. eg, this completed listing (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Brand-New-Sony-PlayStation-3-Console-PS3-UK-60-GB_W0QQitemZ260100300550QQcategoryZ149492QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem) is for a standard PS3 (£425), which as most people know are available in the shops (and plenty unsold on ebay) and yet two muppets payed £550 + delivery to get one BIN from fleabay - talk about stoopid. :shocked:
TheBlueRaja
24-03-2007, 12:23
Aside from arguments about whether it's better than 360, how about some of the idiots on ebay. eg, this completed listing (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Brand-New-Sony-PlayStation-3-Console-PS3-UK-60-GB_W0QQitemZ260100300550QQcategoryZ149492QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem) is for a standard PS3 (£425), which as most people know are available in the shops (and plenty unsold on ebay) and yet two muppets payed £550 + delivery to get one BIN from fleabay - talk about stoopid. :shocked:
Too right, imagine buying a PS3 :D
hi i just been and brought the hdmi cable for the ps3 and i pluged it in and it says an avalable hdmi device was detected do u want to output video and auido using hdmi?
and i clicked yes the screen just goes blank
does anybody kow what i need to do
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hi i just been and brought the hdmi cable for the ps3 and i pluged it in and it says an avalable hdmi device was detected do u want to output video and auido using hdmi?
and i clicked yes the screen just goes blank
does anybody kow what i need to do
its ok i found it u have to go on the channel hdmi
:rolleyes: , perhaps Nugget was right ........:Yikes: ;)
Never been wrong yet :D
Tezcatlipoca
24-03-2007, 17:02
Just caught up with this thread....
While I find PS3 vs 360 threads quite funny, could people please try and stop resorting to name-calling, insults, calling people fools, questioning maturity, etc.....Talk about the PS3, fine. Debate PS3 vs 360 vs Wii, fine. But not personal arguments or insults please...
keithwalton
24-03-2007, 18:03
hi i just been and brought the hdmi cable for the ps3 and i pluged it in and it says an avalable hdmi device was detected do u want to output video and auido using hdmi?
and i clicked yes the screen just goes blank
does anybody kow what i need to do
---------- Post added at 13:26 ---------- Previous post was at 13:20 ----------
its ok i found it u have to go on the channel hdmi
Glad you got it to work :-) is the hdmi cable just a bog standard hdmi cable (ie is it the same both ends) or does the ps3 have a bespoke connector that does everything (like the xbox 360) ?
Glad you got it to work :-) is the hdmi cable just a bog standard hdmi cable (ie is it the same both ends) or does the ps3 have a bespoke connector that does everything (like the xbox 360) ?Its your standard HDMI connecter at both ends.
keithwalton
24-03-2007, 19:13
Excellent thanks, already have one of those for connecting my pc to my hdtv i wont need to waste £14 on a new one then :)
I remember when the PS2 came out. I was working for Game(Well Electronics Boutique back then)
Our store got 187 consoles and of them 176 were pre orders. All picked up on launch day. Considering they were £299 each and the console was hard to get hold of for a while the PS3 launch doesn't seem as good at all.
It's interesting to note that I went into Bromley today, and every electronics/games shop I went in appeared to have the PS3 in stock. Not a good sign considering every other console I can think of (including all the Sony consoles up to the PSP) has sold out within hours.
I wasn't planning on shelling out on a PS3 till summer at least due to price, however I might be doing a spot of overtime next month as it appears the console is region free and that means I can get hold of MLB 2K7 from the USA as its region locked on the 360.
paul nolan
24-03-2007, 22:29
It's interesting to note that I went into Bromley today, and every electronics/games shop I went in appeared to have the PS3 in stock. Not a good sign considering every other console I can think of (including all the Sony consoles up to the PSP) has sold out within hours.
currently ebay have over 2000 PS3's for sale, (not inc. the number of sales that would have already finished). Sony have previously said 220,000 are available in the UK at Launch.
Simple maths says that around 1 % of the entire UK's Launch allocation have appeared on eBay already :disturbd:
It's interesting to note that I went into Bromley today, and every electronics/games shop I went in appeared to have the PS3 in stock. Not a good sign considering every other console I can think of (including all the Sony consoles up to the PSP) has sold out within hours.
Interesting to note, Amazon still have PS3s in stock, but are sold out of Wiis...
keithwalton
25-03-2007, 02:12
my local tesco's had at least 16 of them sat inside the main entrance this evening as part of a display thing. It looked to me as if the display was full (ie nobody had picked up at least a dummy box to go and buy one) this was about an hour before shop closing time.
NEONKNIGHT
25-03-2007, 09:08
Couldn't help but chuckle over this quote from Computer Games & Video report on the launch of PS3 in London:
The UK launch of the PS3 was, for one short moment, in danger of being delayed yet again. Ritatsu Thomas, 17 from Mitcham, was the first person in the queue and the world watched as he had to rifle through his wallet to find a card that actually worked - it looked like the first few he tried crumbled under the £425 weight of his decision.
:D
Graham M
25-03-2007, 10:39
LoL what's a 17 yo doing with £425 money to burn anyway? ;)
LoL what's a 17 yo doing with £425 money to burn anyway? ;)
Quite easy to get that kind of money at this age you know... :p:
No real outgoings, so just save what you do take in :)
handyman
25-03-2007, 12:53
Interesting to note, Amazon still have PS3s in stock, but are sold out of Wiis...
I was in Lancaster ADSA last night and there was an announcement that they had still got them in stock. If the CSA had not doubled my payments I may have been tempted.
Still cannnot get a Wii for a promotion our company are going to run though.
I've bought PS3 3days ago that I wasn't on forum :-)
That's very good console, I really feel what I play even I know that better games which use power of PS3 are coming soon.
Bluffdemon
25-03-2007, 18:22
All i care about is Great quality games , i own a 360 and wii and enjoy the games i have for both consoles , if sony can make some great games and lower the PS3 to a respectable price then they can have my money , i aint bothered about blue ray or HD DVD i am still happy with dvd , i just want to be entertained with a great game , i dont really care who is outselling who and whats the most powerful console , i just want games , thats the way it should be instead of many many debates on whats better :D
I've just read this (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/23/nplaystation123.xml) article over at the Telegraph... I know it's a couple of days old now, but this made me laugh.
Shanie Chatfield, 19, from Guildford, Surrey, was second in the queue.
She said: “I’m so proud - second is unbelievable. Number two has always been my lucky number. “It’s one of the best moments of our lives, and we’ve got to share this for the rest of our lives.”
Wow, I'm so jealous... I can really understand why she's so proud (..?) to have been 2nd in a queue to buy something :erm: Being 2nd in a queue really is "unbelievable"... who would've thunked it?!?
She must lead a very sheltered life is that was, as she put it, "one of the best moments of our lives," and that "we've got to share this for the rest of our lives" :erm:
ps - apart from the guy at the front of the queue, has anyone seen pics of any other people that supposedly bought one at Virgin Megastore?
Good news for those who bought a PS3 and got a free £2000 HDTV to play with as well. (lucky buggers).
Not bad for 450 odd quid
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I wonder how many of the TVs are on ebay
Damn, this place is no fun any more, since the PS3 bashing has quietened down.... so here's a funny song to annoy all those who've bought a PS3 recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98qC0fd_1w
:D
Damn, this place is no fun any more, since the PS3 bashing has quietened down.... so here's a funny song to annoy all those who've bought a PS3 recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98qC0fd_1w
:D
Haha that was so funny:D:tu:
NEONKNIGHT
01-04-2007, 08:25
Damn, this place is no fun any more, since the PS3 bashing has quietened down.... so here's a funny song to annoy all those who've bought a PS3 recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98qC0fd_1w
:D
Brilliant! Well funny! Hope it makes the download charts - should make number one!:D :D
Damn, this place is no fun any more, since the PS3 bashing has quietened down.... so here's a funny song to annoy all those who've bought a PS3 recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98qC0fd_1w
:D yada yada yada:rolleyes: bash this http://www.mcvuk.com/news/26354/PS3-notches-up-400-million-across-Europe
yada yada yada:rolleyes: bash this http://www.mcvuk.com/news/26354/PS3-notches-up-400-million-across-Europe
Lighten up.
Although, if you do want me to bash it, I could comment on the fact that Sony sold 600,000 consoles, yet only ¼ of those have been registered on PSN. Were the rest destined for ebay?
Lighten up.
Although, if you do want me to bash it, I could comment on the fact that Sony sold 600,000 consoles, yet only ¼ of those have been registered on PSN. Were the rest destined for ebay? it would be great if you could back that up with a link showing 450000 units up for sale on ebay... face it sony are here to stay they have a great if somewhat overpriced piece of kit out to market and the negative media hype has tainted most peoples veiwpoint that do not own a ps3 or haven't tested it other than on a demo pod... i myself am very happy that i took the opportunity to trade in my 360 and get a ps3. i must say i got very tired of getting nickle and dimed by microshaft for every little thing (m$ points?? gimme pounds and pence please!) we'll see how thing take shape when the 1337 360 edition comes to pass...:erm: oh and while we're at it might i suggest that if you want people to lighten up then maybe you should stop posting links to stuff that you know will annoy other members just because you are consider things aren't as fun when they aren't being bashed..
TheBlueRaja
01-04-2007, 16:28
I bet Month two figures for PS3 are rank rotten - below 360 and wii.
it would be great if you could back that up with a link showing 450000 units up for sale on ebay... face it sony are here to stay they have a great if somewhat overpriced piece of kit out to market and the negative media hype has tainted most peoples veiwpoint that do not own a ps3 or haven't tested it other than on a demo pod... i myself am very happy that i took the opportunity to trade in my 360 and get a ps3. i must say i got very tired of getting nickle and dimed by microshaft for every little thing (m$ points?? gimme pounds and pence please!) we'll see how thing take shape when the 1337 360 edition comes to pass...:erm: oh and while we're at it might i suggest that if you want people to lighten up then maybe you should stop posting links to stuff that you know will annoy other members just because you are consider things aren't as fun when they aren't being bashed..
but you dont mind Sony charging you £425 for a console with backwards capability removed
Gareth, That was so awesome! I would rep you but I need to spread it
I bet Month two figures for PS3 are rank rotten - below 360 and wii.and i predict your premium xbox will be worth squat when the elite is released and you will either a: give microshaft another 100 quid for a new drive or b: buy the elite and take it good and propper in the wrong un!
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but you dont mind Sony charging you £425 for a console with backwards capability removed
Gareth, That was so awesome! I would rep you but I need to spread iteh?but the ps3 has the same crappy emulated backwards compatability as the 360 so what gives, you think i got a ps3 to play ps2 games? i never had a ps2 i had a an xbox hence the reason i bought a 360, i have no brand loyalty and i like to have the technically most acomplished kit in my collection of toys. the 360 is now yesterdays news so it's a gonner!
eh?but the ps3 has the same crappy emulated backwards compatability as the 360 so what gives, you think i got a ps3 to play ps2 games? i never had a ps2 i had a an xbox hence the reason i bought a 360, i have no brand loyalty and i like to have the technically most acomplished kit in my collection of toys. the 360 is now yesterdays news so it's a gonner!
I was referring to the price going up in Europe dispite them removing the hardware that allowed PS2 games to play. How is 360 yesterdays news? Sonys exclusives are jumping ship and its the most popular of this gen. In america it is still outselling the PS3
icestar2
01-04-2007, 18:15
Both consoles have there plus's and there Negatives. I hate all this oh my ps3 is better or my 360 is better. Its all about personal preferance. I personally like them both but I am slightly liking my PS3 more at the moment because its design and cause its my latest console.
Tezcatlipoca
01-04-2007, 19:29
The Elite is totally unnecessary at the moment though.... merely gimmicks so that MS can say the 360 has the same stuff as the PS3 (big HDD, HDMI).
Yes the Euro PS3 now has the same kind of backwards compatibility as the 360. But, seeing as Sony removed the Emotion Engine from the Euro PS3 to cuts costs, it would've been nice for them to pass those savings on to us, the lowly consumer.
I don't see how the 360 is "yesterday's news"..... it has a larger installed user base than the PS3, is selling more than the PS3 (in the US at least, dunno about UK/Europe numbers), is cheaper than the PS3, is pretty much a match for the PS3 when it comes to graphics & power [the Cell has the edge over the 360's CPU, while the 360's GPU has the edge over the PS3's RSX GPU], is easier to programme for than the PS3, has more games than the PS3, & has more decent exclusive games than the PS3.
I may get a PS3 in a year or so's time, when the price has been slashed, & when it's finally got enough decent exclusives to justify buying it.
But at the moment, though, I can see few reasons, if any, to justify spending £425 on a PS3.
Die hard PlayStation fans, & "early adopters", will buy it regardless.
And I guess some people will be buying it solely as a cheap Blu-ray player. [tbh, I would love to watch Casino Royale on BD, but not so much that I'd spend £425 for the ability].
But I fail to see why anyone else would honestly buy one now.
Yeah, Motorstorm looks awesome.
But that's about it.
Resistance is meant to be pretty average, while what few other launch games which are actually any good have already been out on the 360 and PC for ages (Oblivion, COD, Splinter Cell, etc.).
Virtua Fighter 5 is coming to the 360, as well the PS3.
Devil May Cry 4 is no longer PS3 exclusive, & is coming to the 360 & PC at the same time as the PS3.
Grand Theft Auto IV is no longer PS3 exclusive, & is coming to the 360 at the same time as the PS3.
And so on.
To be honest, out of the 2, I prefer the PS3. It's quieter, it's got F1 and you can install Linux on it :cool: There's no 360 exclusives that would sway me towards Microsoft.
However, the price of a PS3 is still too high for a console, imo. I could afford it, but I don't want to pay that amount of money just for a console. If Sony flogged it at the same price as they do in the US then I'd probably be tempted to get one. I don't fancy running the risk of importing a US version but losing the warranty and having to import R1 films.
I realise the value of all the components is higher than the RRP, so to some people it's like paying £212.50 for a console and £212.50 for a BR player, but I don't need/want the BR drive.
For this reason, I don't think I'll be getting one till the prices drop. I'm happy with the Wii for party gaming, and the PC for serious gaming (in Hi-Def already ;)).
Oh, and fwiw, MS should really have included a HD-DVD drive in the Elite version, and kept the Premium & Core packs with the DVD drive. :2cents:
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Thinking about this... what they've done with the 360 pricing is a classic Microsoft strategy. Whenever they arrive late, they always undercut the opposition.
They did this with Microsoft Operations Manager versus BMC's Patrol and IBM's Tivoli... they did it with SQL Server versus Oracle and Sybase... they're doing it too with their Forefront product versus the traditional antivirus vendors.
TheBlueRaja
02-04-2007, 09:45
I predict that you had no real answer for what he said! :D
The extra hard drive space is not an issue for me and i have no need for it as its mainly aimed at the American market where they get a lot of TV content they can download.
I dont need more than 20gb for saved games and arcade downloads.
Besides, with the 360 i can download movies and TV episodes of the net and stream them via windows media player to my Xbox 360 so i dont need the extra space for this feature anyway even if it did come over here.
So eh, what do you intend on using that 60gb for anyway? Linux perhaps, or a "portable" mp3 player, perhaps its to help speed up those PS3 loading times.. :D
Mod Edit (Matt D) - removed.
Alanmelon
04-04-2007, 22:53
Probably done already, but I like it...
http://everygamersblog.com/2007/03/21/ten-uses-for-your-ps3
Tezcatlipoca
10-04-2007, 21:28
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23997
The Wii is outselling the PS3 by a factor of 2 to 1 in Japan.
The gap is narrowing though... earlier in the year it was a factor of 4 to 1 :rofl:
TheBlueRaja
10-04-2007, 21:44
I see prices have dropped to under 400 quid now in the Uk in most shops already.
It MUST be because they are shifting sooo much stock that they can now afford to drop the price.
Why else?
I see prices have dropped to under 400 quid now in the Uk in most shops already.
It MUST be because they are shifting sooo much stock that they can now afford to drop the price.
Why else?
Yeah, and the 360 is cheaper than the PS3 ;)
Yeah, and the 360 is cheaper than the PS3 ;)
No, that's because the 360 has inferior hardware :D
icestar2
11-04-2007, 16:49
To many Playstation hater's on this thread. I have both the 360 and the PS3 and enjoy them both for diffrent reason's. I feel that I paid a fair price for both console's and am happy with both purchases. So what if the 360 is cheaper ? So what if the Wii is outselling the PS3 ? why do people feel they have to make these sly comments ? cant we just have our own personal enjoyment from a system without all the hater's jumping on our backs.
TheBlueRaja
11-04-2007, 20:11
To many Playstation hater's on this thread. I have both the 360 and the PS3 and enjoy them both for diffrent reason's. I feel that I paid a fair price for both console's and am happy with both purchases. So what if the 360 is cheaper ? So what if the Wii is outselling the PS3 ? why do people feel they have to make these sly comments ? cant we just have our own personal enjoyment from a system without all the hater's jumping on our backs.
Because people are bing ripped off buying a PS3, how is your Blu-Ray drive anyway? Found a use for it yet, worth the extra 150 quid?
I ain't a PS3 hater, I'd love one, but I won't pay out that stupid amount of money for an extra that I don't want (blu ray).
It's critisism, we ain't against PS3 as a whole, just the price and the way they've done business.
So I can laugh at the people who have bought one at those ridiculous prices, knowing that the games at the mo ain't worth the price (the whole package). It's not having at pop at the PS3 because I have a 360, far from it.
icestar2
11-04-2007, 22:57
Because people are bing ripped off buying a PS3, how is your Blu-Ray drive anyway? Found a use for it yet, worth the extra 150 quid?
Yes of course I have found a use for it - I play my blu-ray movie's on it. Plus the 360 wouldnt of been much cheaper had they decided to add the HD drive to the console.
I can accpet the criticism when its justified and People give decent reason's but I also notice alot of comments which are just people jumping in to shout down the PS3 when they probably aint even played on one.
I understand people's anger at the price but I can understand why its so high. For me it was fair enough because I got what I wanted from it.
Anyway I aint looking to start anything over it I just felt there was alot of negative comments that arent always justified.
I hope for a better world where we can all play our consoles and get along together lol :)
You have to remember that the next gen dvd formats are too early so most people do not want one. Even those who do are unlikely to spend a lot to commit to a format which may not survive. Who wants to build a collection of disks which may become useless?
The majority of people will look at the PS3 as a games console. The price is far too high for a games console and that is what has caused the ill-feeling and the poor sales.
I really don't think it's in anyway negative in the form of a personal attack to anyone with a PS3.
I can put down a PS3 even though I've not even seen one. Yet in the same breath I can say I wished I had one.
I can see where you're coming from, it must be frustrating to pay out £500 then people laugh at you (so to speak), hell, paying out that amount of money I it should be a very joyous occasion. The last thing you want to hear is ridicule.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks apart from what you think yourself, if you like it and you can justify it (just because you want one and you can afford it is good enough reason than any).
I think people need the justification, and when it goes against your own and someone does the opposite, it's the knee jerk response, eg debate and discuss and it will be opposite mainly so just take it as that.
Icestar2, I can completely see why you got one, as you're apparently interested in the BluRay player to watch films on. And I completely accept that in this case it's not bad value for money - not least because you'd have to pay a helluva lot more for a standalone BluRay player at the moment, and also because the equivalent set-up for the 360 owners is comparatively priced.
It's for those not interested in watching BluRay films, however, that the price is a major sticking point... and the fact that if you want to play PS3 games, you're forced to buy a model with an expensive BluRay drive.
Whilst the price of Hi-Def TVs is falling a lot at the moment, I think that the majority of people still have Standard Definition TVs, so would be happy enough with watching films on DVD for a while yet. There's no point in starting a BR or HD-DVD collection if you're not gonna be watching it on a HD TV.
TheBlueRaja
12-04-2007, 09:00
Yes of course I have found a use for it - I play my blu-ray movie's on it. Plus the 360 wouldnt of been much cheaper had they decided to add the HD drive to the console.
I can accpet the criticism when its justified and People give decent reason's but I also notice alot of comments which are just people jumping in to shout down the PS3 when they probably aint even played on one.
I understand people's anger at the price but I can understand why its so high. For me it was fair enough because I got what I wanted from it.
Anyway I aint looking to start anything over it I just felt there was alot of negative comments that arent always justified.
I hope for a better world where we can all play our consoles and get along together lol :)
Agreed incidentally i did say earlier in the thread i quite fancied a PS3, but not anywhere near the current price.
To many Playstation hater's on this thread. I have both the 360 and the PS3 and enjoy them both for diffrent reason's. I feel that I paid a fair price for both console's and am happy with both purchases. So what if the 360 is cheaper ? So what if the Wii is outselling the PS3 ? why do people feel they have to make these sly comments ? cant we just have our own personal enjoyment from a system without all the hater's jumping on our backs.
:clap:
Because people are bing ripped off buying a PS3, how is your Blu-Ray drive anyway? Found a use for it yet, worth the extra 150 quid?
Used my Blu ray drive many times with my 1080p LCD screen. Fantastic that Blockbuster now rent out blu-ray disks (thanks to PS3 launch).
I ain't a PS3 hater, I'd love one, but I won't pay out that stupid amount of money for an extra that I don't want (blu ray).
It's critisism, we ain't against PS3 as a whole, just the price and the way they've done business.
So I can laugh at the people who have bought one at those ridiculous prices, knowing that the games at the mo ain't worth the price (the whole package). It's not having at pop at the PS3 because I have a 360, far from it.
How patronising, you laugh at us? If you don't want an all in one console and media player for HD, stick with your 360. If you do, get a PS3. Its called having options.
I can see where you're coming from, it must be frustrating to pay out £500 then people laugh at you (so to speak), hell, paying out that amount of money I it should be a very joyous occasion. The last thing you want to hear is ridicule.
Most people are jealous.
Icestar2, I can completely see why you got one, as you're apparently interested in the BluRay player to watch films on. And I completely accept that in this case it's not bad value for money - not least because you'd have to pay a helluva lot more for a standalone BluRay player at the moment, and also because the equivalent set-up for the 360 owners is comparatively priced.
It's for those not interested in watching BluRay films, however, that the price is a major sticking point... and the fact that if you want to play PS3 games, you're forced to buy a model with an expensive BluRay drive.
Whilst the price of Hi-Def TVs is falling a lot at the moment, I think that the majority of people still have Standard Definition TVs, so would be happy enough with watching films on DVD for a while yet. There's no point in starting a BR or HD-DVD collection if you're not gonna be watching it on a HD TV.
So why don't these people just stick with 360 then? Why do you want a like for like copy of the 360 available for you to buy badged Playstation?
If you want next gen gaming - get a 360.
If you want next gen gaming, full 1080p HD and a media player for blu-ray - get PS3.
But please, stop the patronising abuse of the people who choose and buy a PS3. We realise how much it is, made the decision and got one as it is what we wanted. We don't need patronising by people who think they know our needs better than we do - because you don't!
:clap:
Most people are jealous.
So why don't these people just stick with 360 then? Why do you want a like
for like copy of the 360 available for you to buy badged Playstation?
If you want next gen gaming - get a 360.
If you want next gen gaming, full 1080p HD and a media player for blu-ray - get PS3.
But please, stop the patronising abuse of the people who choose and buy a PS3. We realise how much it is, made the decision and got one as it is what we wanted. We don't need patronising by people who think they know our needs better than we do - because you don't!
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
Think you missed one thing.... If your havent got anything nice to say, dont bother...
How patronising, you laugh at us? If you don't want an all in one console and media player for HD, stick with your 360. If you do, get a PS3. Its called having options.
So why don't these people just stick with 360 then? Why do you want a like for like copy of the 360 available for you to buy badged Playstation?
If you want next gen gaming - get a 360.
If you want next gen gaming, full 1080p HD and a media player for blu-ray - get PS3.
I think you will find that the 360 offers all the features you mention with HD DVD instead of blu ray as well as full 1080p and can be used as a media player when connected to windows. I use mine to stream movies and other stuff to my TV on a daily basis. Something which the PS3 can't do.
I think you will find that the 360 offers all the features you mention with HD DVD instead of blu ray as well as full 1080p and can be used as a media player when connected to windows. I use mine to stream movies and other stuff to my TV on a daily basis. Something which the PS3 can't do.
But if you want the HDDVD player... the 360 Costs more, something a lot of people forget.
keithwalton
12-04-2007, 11:52
Because people are bing ripped off buying a PS3, how is your Blu-Ray drive anyway? Found a use for it yet, worth the extra 150 quid?
Err yes, the Casino Royal that they sent me for free for registering the console is excellent, also most of the games are in blu-ray format as well which means the devs have had 25GB to store videos / textures etc on instead of the norm 4.7/8.5GB (single / dual layer dvd) which does make a difference.
I cant fathum how people can say "Who wants to build a collection of disks which may become useless?"
How will they become useless, even if blu-ray fails you will still own the discs and a ps3 to play them on. So they wont be 'useless' dvd's will go the same way eventually no new discs but plenty of players
TheBlueRaja
12-04-2007, 12:47
Err yes, the Casino Royal that they sent me for free
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You paid 150 quid extra for that disk.
You paid 150 quid extra for that disk.
<Mod Edit (Matt D) - removed.> the Disk was a free offer! I never paid a penny for the disk!
TheBlueRaja
12-04-2007, 12:56
<Mod Edit (Matt D) - removed.> the Disk was a free offer! I never paid a penny for the disk!
You may have missed the extra you paid for the PS3 to get Blu-Ray in the first place so you could watch your "free" disk.
I will say something nice about the PS3 though - its got a cracking coffee holder.
I didnt pay Extra for Just Blu-Ray, i paid extra for the better processor, the blu-ray player, the HDMI output, the built in web browser, the built in wireless internet connection..... Or maybe you think they other things where included for nothing.
Oh Wait... You baught a 360, so now you think the PS3 is crap, because you havent actually relized that you got less features for your money. And wait, the 360 that is going to come close to matching the PS3 is going to cost more than the PS3 and still not include WiFi and still not include the HD drive..... Thats right MS are ripping us off!!!!!! I've noticed you dont point that out to anyone.
<Mod Edit (Matt D) - removed.>
So why don't these people just stick with 360 then? Why do you want a like for like copy of the 360 available for you to buy badged Playstation?
If you want next gen gaming - get a 360.
If you want next gen gaming, full 1080p HD and a media player for blu-ray - get PS3.Well, as not all games are going to be released on both the PS3 and the 360, I can see why some people wouldn't necessarily want to buy a 360. If you're a huge Final Fantasy fan, for example, there's not much point in getting a 360.
But please, stop the patronising abuse of the people who choose and buy a PS3. We realise how much it is, made the decision and got one as it is what we wanted. We don't need patronising by people who think they know our needs better than we do - because you don't!Sorry, didn't realise I was patrionising nor "abusing" you. Apologies if that's how you perceived my post - it wasn't intentional on my part. :)
keithwalton
12-04-2007, 15:08
<Mod Edit (Matt D) - removed.> You paid 150 quid extra for that disk.
I'm sorry how did i pay £150 extra for it ? The offer was for the first 500k to register in europe. Which cut off on the 3rd of April or there abouts which is when they started sending discs out.
you can pick up a ps3 now for pretty much the same amount i paid and NOT get a free copy of casino royal (£25 rrp)
PS3 games are making use of the blu-ray disc and its extra capacity. Though anoyingly it doesnt remember that i want to load the game in english and asks me every time i start it what language i want. :mad:
The main reason i got a ps3 was of f1 championship edition a game thats not going to come out for my x360, yes thats right i have both consoles and i even have the hd-dvd addon for my x360 as well to play a film (serenity) thats not going to come out on blu-ray.
It is good to see however on amazon and alike there is now the full hundreds of titles in each format rather than the odd 25 of each there was a couple of weeks ago
and i even have the hd-dvd addon for my x360 as well to play 'a' film (serenity) thats not going to come out on blu-ray.
Now how can you argue against that. :LOL:
TheBlueRaja
12-04-2007, 15:31
I'm sorry how did i pay £150 extra for it ? The offer was for the first 500k to register in europe. Which cut off on the 3rd of April or there abouts which is when they started sending discs out.
you can pick up a ps3 now for pretty much the same amount i paid and NOT get a free copy of casino royal (£25 rrp)
PS3 games are making use of the blu-ray disc and its extra capacity. Though anoyingly it doesnt remember that i want to load the game in english and asks me every time i start it what language i want. :mad:
The main reason i got a ps3 was of f1 championship edition a game thats not going to come out for my x360, yes thats right i have both consoles and i even have the hd-dvd addon for my x360 as well to play a film (serenity) thats not going to come out on blu-ray.
It is good to see however on amazon and alike there is now the full hundreds of titles in each format rather than the odd 25 of each there was a couple of weeks ago
You paid an extra 150 quid for it because its not really necessary for the intended purpose of the console itself - games - you paid 150 quid for Casino Royal because you spent that extra cash to get the Blu-Ray drive in the first place.
However, you, specifically, are in quite a fortunate position, an early adopter who wanted the console for its gaming ability AND its Blu-Ray functionality.
My point is - your rare when it come to PS3 buyers, you want that extra stuff and the vast majority, IMO, dont.
For you in fact the PS3 is cheap compared to say an Xbox 360 and a stand alone Blu-Ray or HD-DVD Player.
I have nothing against the PS3 (waits for awibble to wibble at that one) excluding the price point. If it came in at around 200 quid i would go for it myself.
However at its current price point its joke of a rip off for anyone who is looking to use it solely as a games console i.e. the vast majority.
Bring it down in price to say 150 to 200 quid, different story, they can trojan Blu-Ray into my home all they want then.
keithwalton
12-04-2007, 16:26
You paid an extra 150 quid for it because its not really necessary for the intended purpose of the console itself - games - you paid 150 quid for Casino Royal because you spent that extra cash to get the Blu-Ray drive in the first place.
However, you, specifically, are in quite a fortunate position, an early adopter who wanted the console for its gaming ability AND its Blu-Ray functionality.
Err most of the launch titles are on blu-ray discs and need the extra capacity. They simply wont fit on a dvd as they are.
Give dev's the chance to use 25GB discs and they will, even if they dont really need it now in a few years time they will. It allows them to make games truelly massive.
Whilst microsoft have said no titles will be released on the hd-dvd format its purely for movies and alike. In the long run we may see cross platform titles taking up multiple discs on the x360 compared to a single one on the ps3
Considering the creators of Oblivion actually stated that they had to fill the Blu Ray disc up with extra rubbish just so the game would load quicker as they had not filled up the disc and the game was loading slower.
The PS3 price is about the same as the 360 and the HD DVD add on. However as has been said before the 360 isn't more expsensive than the PS3 as the majority of people are only buying the console to play games and are given the choice of the extra 'features' unlike the PS3 where by Sony have thrust them upoon you.
TheBlueRaja
12-04-2007, 17:04
Err most of the launch titles are on blu-ray discs and need the extra capacity. They simply wont fit on a dvd as they are.
Give dev's the chance to use 25GB discs and they will, even if they dont really need it now in a few years time they will. It allows them to make games truelly massive.
Whilst microsoft have said no titles will be released on the hd-dvd format its purely for movies and alike. In the long run we may see cross platform titles taking up multiple discs on the x360 compared to a single one on the ps3
I can neither confirm or deny what the storage requirements of PS3 launch games are but comparing the same game on both platforms shows that it does not affect the graphics in several cases even if the PS3 version had used more space than a normal DVD.
As for future games, no arguments there, it may well be the case that an Xbox game comes on a couple of DVD's whilst the PS3 has one Blu-Ray disk but i doubt it will involve much effort on the end users part other than to boot with disk one or disk two... But again were back to the price over features argument and its still overkill given the additional cost of the PS3 IMO.
The 360 is cheaper than the PS3. You seem to think everyone needs a HD-DVD player but the player is not selling because no one wants it.
Also the PS3 has not sold more than any other console, the sales have also dropped drastically in the last few weeks.
Tezcatlipoca
12-04-2007, 20:37
Just caught up with this thread...Hmm......
May I remind people of these:
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/about/21/terms-and-conditions
Carry on discussing the PS3, fine.
Carry on discussing PS3 vs 360 vs Wii, fine.
Slag off the various consoles too if you wish, fine.
But don't slag off each other.
The personal attacks & insults have to stop. Now.
It is quite easy to debate the PS3 etc. without resorting to insulting each other.
One PS3 thread has already been closed today.
If the insults etc. continue, then this one will get closed too, & I'll get my little black book out & start issuing Red Cards.
I didnt pay Extra for Just Blu-Ray, i paid extra for the better processor, the blu-ray player, the HDMI output, the built in web browser, the built in wireless internet connection..... Or maybe you think they other things where included for nothing.
Oh Wait... You baught a 360, so now you think the PS3 is crap, because you havent actually relized that you got less features for your money. And wait, the 360 that is going to come close to matching the PS3 is going to cost more than the PS3 and still not include WiFi and still not include the HD drive..... Thats right MS are ripping us off!!!!!! I've noticed you dont point that out to anyone.
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I agree with the the wireless but the rest is not required by many people. The better processor is a mute point since it balances out when you consider the better GPU in the 360. The blu-ray as we keep saying and you keep avoiding, is not a required feature by hardly anyone yet if you buy a PS3 you are forced to pay for it.
You right that the xbox would likely be more expensive to get with HD-DVD but the sales of that add-on are very low and thats because the population is not ready or wants it yet.
If the PS3 did not have Blu-Ray and was hence cheaper I may well have got one and so would a lot of other people. But the price is too high and this is whats causing the big slump in sales after the initial weekend (its dropped below 360, not sure about wii) despite it only just having been released. It needs to drop the price.
Or in very simple terms. A games console 360=£200, a PS3=£500 which is the cheapest.
Why is there a need to defend something that isn't not the point of the subject. It seems PS3 owners are defending their purchase as a whole, lock stock and barrel and ignoring everyone else who has an opinion.
Do I (I could say I as a whole), envy the people with a PS3? Maybe, maybe I look at those as someone with more money than sense, maybe I see it that way because I do have more sense than money. Eitherway, it's irrelevant, I got a bad rep for saying I can laught at PS3 owners yet I said I wished I had one. It doesn't matter, it's not personal.
Not being funny, but I think it is those with the ps3's that are the most argumentative here and it's those that are missing the point more, and blaming the 'other side' as being ignorant. (Hence this 'price' thing that is still ongoing). (yes we know if you buy a HD player and a wi fi etc etc etc etc).
Tezcatlipoca
12-04-2007, 22:05
No, that's because the 360 has inferior hardware :D
So a superior GPU, & a not-quite-as-powerful-but-much-more-developer-friendly CPU are inferior? ;)
Although, tbh, the 360 is much noisier, & early batches seem to have some reliability issues...
To many Playstation hater's on this thread. I have both the 360 and the PS3 and enjoy them both for diffrent reason's. I feel that I paid a fair price for both console's and am happy with both purchases. So what if the 360 is cheaper ? So what if the Wii is outselling the PS3 ? why do people feel they have to make these sly comments ? cant we just have our own personal enjoyment from a system without all the hater's jumping on our backs.
I'm not a PlayStation hater.
I loved the PS1 & PS2.
The PS3 however..... great as an all-singing all dancing home entertainment system, but horrendously overpriced for a games console. And, currently woefully lacking in decent exclusive games.
So where's the real justification to buy one?
Sony fanboys, & hardcore early-adopters, will buy it regardless.
People wanting a cheap BD player will get their money's worth out of it.
But otherwise... why? It's not currently worth buying as a games console. There simply are not enough good exclusives, while many others have already gone multiformat, & aside from the odd few games, most of the launch games are on the 360 too.
The Blu-ray feature is great if you want a cheap BD player... but, for the vast majority of people who still have standard definition TVs, it's an expensive & unnecessary add-on, which drives the price up & over anything remotely reasonable for a games console.
I don't like Sony, but neither do I like Microsoft. IMO both are arrogant corporate giants, & both have made various mistakes.
The only console company I actually really still have any fondness for is Nintendo, although that's starting to wane after their decades of disdain for Europe.
I've had most consoles from the 3rd generation ("8 bit") onwards, with the exception of... MegaDrive, 3DO, CD32 (had an A500 & A1200), & the Saturn. Oh, & the NeoGeo & PC Engine, although I'm not sure if they ever came out over here (& if they did, they were most likely prohibitively expensive).
I do find amusement in criticising the PS3, mainly out of feeling schadenfreude against Sony. They've been the Console King for so long, I find it rather funny for them to have - IMO - slipped up.
I've got a 360 & a Wii. I may get a PS3 in a year or so's time, when the price has become more reasonable, & when it's got some more exclusive games to actually justify buying it. But at the moment... nope, not worth it. The early adopter & gadget freak in me does lust after it a little bit, simply as a new toy, but my common sense has so far prevailed, plus I think my wife-to-be would give me a swift axe-kick to the head if I wasted money on one now.
If you want next gen gaming - get a 360.
If you want next gen gaming, full 1080p HD and a media player for blu-ray - get PS3.
And if you want next gen gaming, full 1080p HD and a media player for HD-DVD, - get a 360 ;) :)
But if you want the HDDVD player... the 360 Costs more, something a lot of people forget.
PS3, with in-built Blu-ray - £425
Xbox360 "Premium" - £280
Xbox360 external HD DVD drive - £130
= £410
If you're a huge Final Fantasy fan, for example, there's not much point in getting a 360.
Could always get one for Blue Dragon & Lost Odyssey instead...two 360-exclusive RPGs by Hironobu Sakaguchi, the creator of the FF series.
Err most of the launch titles are on blu-ray discs and need the extra capacity. They simply wont fit on a dvd as they are.
Only 'cos they're padded with crap 'cos of the slow read-speed, like Oblivion ;)
Most of the launch titles are multiformat.... and look just like their 360 equivalents.
Downloads
12-04-2007, 22:16
But otherwise... why? It's not currently worth buying as a games console. There simply are not enough good exclusives, while many others have already gone multiformat, & aside from the odd few games, most of the launch games are on the 360 too.
I guess i'm the hardcore early adopter as i bought all 3 consoles on launch. Agree with most of what you said apart from this... I think the 360 on launch didn't have enough good exlusives either and the only console at the time to compare it with was a PS2, what a rip off the 360 was compared to the PS2 considering the games. Anyone remember... GUN? old Quake? old and Perfect Dark Stinker? I think PGR3 and CoD2 stood out as the better 2 games of the launch games and i think Motor Storm and Resistance stand out as the better of the PS3 launch games (shame Untold Legends was delayed by a month). Motor Storm is deffinitely a better game than PGR3 though, but Resistance isn't better than CoD2 for a launch game.
I think they are fairly on a par with each other. The PS3 you get more for your money and if you want to wait till it drops then do so.
As the OP am i allowed to ask that the 360 is discussed in the 360 threads and leave the PS3 talk here, is getting kind of tedious now?
Slag off the various consoles too if you wish, fine.
Actually Matt, I'm just going to make one extra point related to this.
Reading this thread it seems certain members are"slagging off" the consoles other people have bought for no reason other than to wind up people and provoke a reaction. This will not continue, if it does, the members concerned will find themselves receiving warning points. The decision on whether a post is purely for 'wind up' value will rest with the team.
My advice, don't bother, if you don't have anything useful to say about a console, move on to another thread.
Tezcatlipoca
12-04-2007, 22:31
I guess i'm the hardcore early adopter as i bought all 3 consoles on launch. Agree with most of what you said apart from this... I think the 360 on launch didn't have enough good exlusives either and the only console at the time to compare it with was a PS2, what a rip off the 360 was compared to the PS2 considering the games. Anyone remember... GUN? old Quake? old and Perfect Dark Stinker? I think PGR3 and CoD2 stood out as the better 2 games of the launch games and i think Motor Storm and Resistance stand out as the better of the PS3 launch games (shame Untold Legends was delayed by a month). Motor Storm is deffinitely a better game than PGR3 though, but Resistance isn't better than CoD2 for a launch game.
I think they are fairly on a par with each other. The PS3 you get more for your money and if you want to wait till it drops then do so.
As the OP am i allowed to ask that the 360 is discussed in the 360 threads and leave the PS3 talk here, is getting kind of tedious now?
LOL, yeah, the 360 launch line up was pretty poor.
Getting tedious... true. And, as it's your thread, then fair enough :)
Although the 360 is relevant in here when comparing to the PS3, it has been done to death now, & this is a PS3 thread...
Actually Matt, I'm just going to make one extra point related to this.
:tu:
keithwalton
12-04-2007, 22:55
I'd hardly call myself an early adopter, I only got my X360 last october nearly a year after launch. Though i did get my ps3 a week after launch and i've had great fun and spent who know's many hours playing the f1 game on it. Somthing that isnt going to be on any platform for years to come.
Each console (and vs pc too) have there advantages and disadvantages. I guess thats why i have both.
In terms of being a media centre, the x360 is ahead, same with online stuff.
I am not a sony fanboy either since this is my first console from them i didnt have a ps1/2 and i have been checking the backwards list and picking up games for £2/3 from game exchange for games i'd never owned but wanted to (Gran turismo etc) and i've had great fun with those too.
As for the blu-ray drive, it is indeed only 2x which is just over 8x dvd i think which is all it can do in dvd mode!
If its getting better read speeds off the outside of the disc it must be a CAV drive which would make the outside of the disc quite abit faster than 2x
CAV or Constant Angular Velocity, means the disc spins at the same speed irrespective of where on the disc is being read. this means on the outside of the disc the data goes past the laser significantly faster than the inside of the disc and so will read faster
I believe in naming it a 2x drive would indicate the min read speed
Alanmelon
12-04-2007, 23:39
Err most of the launch titles are on blu-ray discs and need the extra capacity. They simply wont fit on a dvd as they are.
Give dev's the chance to use 25GB discs and they will, even if they dont really need it now in a few years time they will. It allows them to make games truelly massive.
But why would a developer spend the time and money producing the extra content to fill a 25Gb disc when they won't be able to charge any more than the going rate and when you can already get huge games (eg Oblivion) to fit on a regular DVD. If you'd currently pay £50 for 30 hours of gameplay, would you pay £100 for your Blu-Ray 'super' version? It will only make sense when 25 gig games are the norm (many years off), either that or they'll be charging £100 a time for your "truelly massive" experience.
But why would a developer spend the time and money producing the extra content to fill a 25Gb disc when they won't be able to charge any more than the going rate and when you can already get huge games (eg Oblivion) to fit on a regular DVD. If you'd currently pay £50 for 30 hours of gameplay, would you pay £100 for your Blu-Ray 'super' version? It will only make sense when 25 gig games are the norm (many years off), either that or they'll be charging £100 a time for your "truelly massive" experience.
Good point. :tu:
Take C&C 3 Kane, it's 5 gigs in size, I thought hey this WILL be good, being that size. Yet 3.5gigs of that was for the poxy video. I know it's another bad analogy, but it means size ain't everything (:erm: :disturbd: :D).
I suspect it they might be filled out with blu ray hi def quality video and then advertise the game as a hi def experience etc.
keithwalton
12-04-2007, 23:54
yup most of the ps3 discs is taken up by 1080p cutscenes and alike they are wasting space for now.
Though games like flight sim for the pc now comes on multiple dvd's
games like GTA4 i'd imagine could use the extra space as well.
It abit like when dvd's first started taking pc games. The discs were bigger, slower and no real need for it. (though i do have a game from back in the day thats on 6 cd's)
yup most of the ps3 discs is taken up by 1080p cutscenes and alike they are wasting space for now.
Though games like flight sim for the pc now comes on multiple dvd's
games like GTA4 i'd imagine could use the extra space as well.
It abit like when dvd's first started taking pc games. The discs were bigger, slower and no real need for it. (though i do have a game from back in the day thats on 6 cd's)
The developers have not used the space. As said above they pad it out like they did with resistance. The xbox footage can fit onto a disk and that is also 1080, so I dont know what they filled the disk with but a lot of PS3 games are ports.
The best thing about the discs would be very high quality textures but in Sonys wisdom the GPU In the PS3 has problems and can actually handle them less well than the 360 can.
We'll have to wait to seee if the space gets used, but I imagine only a few games could do that since the rest will get the file size down for cost reasons
Actually Matt, I'm just going to make one extra point related to this.
Reading this thread it seems certain members are"slagging off" the consoles other people have bought for no reason other than to wind up people and provoke a reaction. This will not continue, if it does, the members concerned will find themselves receiving warning points. The decision on whether a post is purely for 'wind up' value will rest with the team.
My advice, don't bother, if you don't have anything useful to say about a console, move on to another thread.
Thankyou Paul
So a superior GPU, & a not-quite-as-powerful-but-much-more-developer-friendly CPU are inferior? ;)
The GPU in the PS3 isn't acutally that much worse than the one in the PS3, The Nvidia chip they where givven is pretty powerful, and the ATI chip in the 360 isn't as much better as MS and their supports claim. This is especailly true when you take into account the Tricore Vs. the seven thats running in the PS3. This shows that before the data gets to the GPU there is more than twice the processing power for the developers to use, which means that the GPU in the xbox 360 would have to work alot faster to keep up.
Although the differece is not yet noticable, its worth looking at how things change. Game developers actually have had a much longer time to build games for the xbox360, compared to the PS3, and the Graphics are currently keeping up quite well, COD is a little behind the 360 IMO. However if you compare them when the developers have had a fair amount of time to get used to the engine, then the difference in power will become clear. You only have to compare launch day PS2 games to recent PS2 games to see the difference a few years of development can make.
Although, tbh, the 360 is much noisier, & early batches seem to have some reliability issues...
From what i have heard it wasn't just the early batches, it does appear tho that the Core system is more reliable than the preimum. Not sure why it would make a difference, but between my firends and family we have 7 360s, 4 of them have been tragically lost to the red circle of death, all of which where preimums yet the 3 cores lasted fine. One of thease units died at ony 2 months aold (about a week ago). But thats for a different thread.
I'm not a PlayStation hater.
I loved the PS1 & PS2.
The PS3 however..... great as an all-singing all dancing home entertainment system, but horrendously overpriced for a games console. And, currently woefully lacking in decent exclusive games.
So where's the real justification to buy one?
Sony fanboys, & hardcore early-adopters, will buy it regardless.
People wanting a cheap BD player will get their money's worth out of it.
But otherwise... why? It's not currently worth buying as a games console. There simply are not enough good exclusives, while many others have already gone multiformat, & aside from the odd few games, most of the launch games are on the 360 too.
The Blu-ray feature is great if you want a cheap BD player... but, for the vast majority of people who still have standard definition TVs, it's an expensive & unnecessary add-on, which drives the price up & over anything remotely reasonable for a games console.
I have to ask, have you had a proper go on a PS3 yet?
I ask this for one important reason. For months a firend of mine came out with every excuse under the sun for not buying a PS3, joked about playing my 360 when he came round on launch day and having more fun, you know the usual PS3 hater stuff examples of which can be seen all around this forum.
Guess what? He now owns one, he saw the games, loved them, and he also love the quality that the BRDVD played back at. He was acutally as excited as i was before i got it when he saw it.
Playing on one in Game is different to actually having a hardcore night on one. You can mess with a lot of the cool features that there is (I'm still shockingly awful at using the tilt sensor for drving on motorstorm) and you start to see that theres alot of things that seem to of gone un mentioned where the PS3 really does outgun other consoles (including desktop PC's to some extent)
I do find amusement in criticising the PS3, mainly out of feeling schadenfreude against Sony. They've been the Console King for so long, I find it rather funny for them to have - IMO - slipped up.
To be honest if you look at it, all the 3rd Gen consoles have slipped up in someway or another.
the 360 made the mistake of not having a HDD in the core, many studios say that it means they now have to develop games as if there was no HDD, where as on the PS3 they know they have atleast 20GB to play with. The Elite is going to be their next big mistake, as USA pricing is making the 360Elite more expencive than the PS3, and they are going to have to justify that. Not sure how they will manage that, you know Still no HD drive and still not Wifi... Its alot of money extra that they are charging for 60GB of Disk space.
The Wii clearly wasnted produced enugh, and the wrist straps where not strong enugh... Dont forget the Wii has cost some people more than a 360 and a PS3 with every optional extra, when you see the £2000 screens that are now dead.
The PS3 took too long to launch, if they could of beaten or atleast matched the 360 launch date they would of had much better success, IMO. They also messedup dropping the 20GB version for europe, as that would of increaced sales.
I've got a 360 & a Wii. I may get a PS3 in a year or so's time, when the price has become more reasonable, & when it's got some more exclusive games to actually justify buying it. But at the moment... nope, not worth it. The early adopter & gadget freak in me does lust after it a little bit, simply as a new toy, but my common sense has so far prevailed, plus I think my wife-to-be would give me a swift axe-kick to the head if I wasted money on one now.
Ah, what you want is a WiiS3 :P I saw this at one point but i havent been able to find it again, there are some people that are trying to make a way of using the Wii controller on the PS3. It looked great fun, but there was a huge amount of bugs to work out.
And if its your wife to be, Dont tell her about the amount of dust it collects, i mean it mine goes ballistic at me everytime she sees it.
And if you want next gen gaming, full 1080p HD and a media player for HD-DVD, - get a 360 ;) :)
PS3, with in-built Blu-ray - £425
Xbox360 "Premium" - £280
Xbox360 external HD DVD drive - £130
= £410
Hmm, prices have changed since i checked play, last time i checked the PS3 worked out £5 cheaper... there again, the PS3 is how many months old and the 360 is how old? £15 isnt an awful lot, to have a 360 that still does have less features than the PS3... Just need someone to find a Wifi adaptor for less than £15 now :P
Only 'cos they're padded with crap 'cos of the slow read-speed, like Oblivion ;)
I seem to remember that the padding when it was looked at came out to be only a very very small amount of the over all data, i think the total was a few hundread Mb.. Which compared the the amount of data it actaully had on the disk was nothing..
As for the Size of the disk not getting used... You all remember what developers did when they first had a DVD to use... Remeber everyone saying oh they dont need all that space, they could fit it all on a CD, blah blah blah... Well they used it well in the end, not stright away, at first it was used very badly, but in the end they where running out of room (checkout Snake Eater from what i remember thats nearly the whole disk) So although its not needed at the moment, it might be soon. One thing that you have to remember is that everyone did say that the PS2 was not needed to have a DVD player, and alot of the comments been made now where made about the PS2, including the price at first. Did you know that the 360 Core launched with the same price as the PS2! scary isnt it, that sony got it right when everyone said they had it wrong last time. The only difference i see this time is that they pushed a lot more units into the countries and missed the chirstmas launch. If i remember correctly, the PS2 still sells more than any other console everyday! They now have over 100Million units shipped and it all started off the same way, the same comments, the same problems.
You might put sony down at the moment, but really thats only playing into their hands, as last time they had their console put down so much, they sold a lot of them!
If you look back at some of the consoles that where popular, and people will agree then you find that you become shocked at the price... Did you know that 13 Years ago the Saturn launched with a price of $400 now with inflation thats a lot of money, i wasnt working 13 years ago so i cnanot work out the difference, but that comes pretty close to the price of the current consoles.
Carn't wait for the PS4, when the PS3 has sold their 100Million units and everyone says that sony have made a mistake again :P
P.S. All figures where confirmed on Wikipedia :)
Thanks moderators, this has now become an intelligent thread.
The big issue with PS3 in most peoples minds is the cost of having a blu-ray drive built in to all units. Which I can understand.
But I also remember when the PS2 came out, and all the people complaining about it having a built in DVD drive, and how people didn't want it because it made the console more expensive! We all know how well that unit did as a result of that decision.
DVD was already a proven format and the price of it was not that much more expensive because of it. They do need to drop the price.
Everyone is saying look at the PS2 but its different, everyone wanted a PS2 when it came out. There were a lot of complaints about Sony but none that were serious. The PS2 also did not have a serious rival, it has one maybe two now. The sales of the PS3 dropped drastically after the first weekend it cant reach the market share of the PS2 IMO and they need to drop the price to ensure it remains an attractive target for developers.
A successful console format depends on shifting the units into the homes.
I dont hate the PS3 i just think they made a mistake, that does not count as a hater. Having a Playstation for both generations means I would have got one if it was not for those mistakes.
But I also remember when the PS2 came out, and all the people complaining about it having a built in DVD drive, and how people didn't want it because it made the console more expensive! We all know how well that unit did as a result of that decision.
I don't remember people complaining about that. I remember them complaining that movie playback didn't work when hooked up via anything but a composite cable though.
That is off topic.
I have to admit, I think Sony are taking a huge gamble here. They are trying to establish a new gaming platform, and a new technology (Blue Ray). If Blue Ray fails (and it's recent success is no indication it won't, Video CD was apparently successful when launched, but sales soon dropped, same with Betamax), then Sony have asked people to pay over £400 for a games system.
Hardened gamers are less likely to object to that kind of money (after all, a lot are happy to spend £800+ on a PC that has less power than a PS3), but your average joe soap may well not be too happy with that price. The problem is that Games manufacturers, if they are going to fill the 35 Gig (or whatever storage blue ray has) disk, then their production costs are going to rise massively, and there is a relatively small amount of hardened gamers. Possibly not enough for them to make a profit on a game at £40 - £60 a copy. So, they will either have to raise prices, or attract non-gamers to the console. That is, of course, assuming that Blue ray fails. I do not know if it will. I don't know if either format of High Definition DVD will take off. It depends how many people care about the difference in quality (I know a lot of my friends don't).
Having said all that, I personally have every intention of getting some form of High Definition DVD player. I'm just waiting to see if Blue ray or HDDVD take off.
Also, please note: This post isn't intended to be pro or anti any console. Just an explanation of what I see the problems facing Sony as. As I have often said, if I see a few games for the PS3 I like, I would probably get one. Similarly, if Blue Ray takes off (and Blue Ray drives for the PC stay as expensive as they are currently), I'll probably get a PS3.
DVD was already a proven format and the price of it was not that much more expensive because of it. They do need to drop the price.
Everyone is saying look at the PS2 but its different, everyone wanted a PS2 when it came out. There were a lot of complaints about Sony but none that were serious. The PS2 also did not have a serious rival, it has one maybe two now. The sales of the PS3 dropped drastically after the first weekend it cant reach the market share of the PS2 IMO and they need to drop the price to ensure it remains an attractive target for developers.
A successful console format depends on shifting the units into the homes.
I dont hate the PS3 i just think they made a mistake, that does not count as a hater. Having a Playstation for both generations means I would have got one if it was not for those mistakes.
DVD was not fully released to the world until 1999, the PS2 was released in 2000 and priced £299. Expensive back then, and I would say at the time as expensive as PS3 today. The PS2 did have serious rivals, it was just that they were a year behind (as PS3 is now) to microsoft and nintendo.
I agree, it is all about how many units you shift, but I don't think we can seriously say we know what is going to happen until after Christmas this year when they all go head to head. That to me will be the real test of who is going to win.
I don't remember people complaining about that. I remember them complaining that movie playback didn't work when hooked up via anything but a composite cable though..
If i remember rightly it was Sega that laucnhed that campain against them :)
DVD was already a proven format and the price of it was not that much more expensive because of it. They do need to drop the price.
It only became the standard about 3 years after the PS2 was launched, i have seen several industy spokesmen say that the PS2 helped. Sony have done questionaires and found people baught the PS2 purly for DVD playback.
in 2000 DVD was still a growing format, Just as Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is today. The formats are both proven, they are just still growing. It has already been seen by many that Blu-Ray sales are growing, somewhere i read 70% -> 30% so in terms on the format blu-ray is well on its way compared to HDDVD. Some have already contrbuted the rise in BR sales to the PS3, as some did the DVD in 2000 (except it was the PS2).
Everyone is saying look at the PS2 but its different, everyone wanted a PS2 when it came out. There were a lot of complaints about Sony but none that were serious. The PS2 also did not have a serious rival, it has one maybe two now. The sales of the PS3 dropped drastically after the first weekend it cant reach the market share of the PS2 IMO and they need to drop the price to ensure it remains an attractive target for developers.
A successful console format depends on shifting the units into the homes.
I think they need the christmas season to really see how they are doing, as they havent had a full shopping season yet.
As with all the consoles, time will tell.
It only became the standard about 3 years after the PS2 was launched, i have seen several industy spokesmen say that the PS2 helped. Sony have done questionaires and found people baught the PS2 purly for DVD playback.
in 2000 DVD was still a growing format, Just as Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is today. The formats are both proven, they are just still growing. It has already been seen by many that Blu-Ray sales are growing, somewhere i read 70% -> 30% so in terms on the format blu-ray is well on its way compared to HDDVD. Some have already contrbuted the rise in BR sales to the PS3, as some did the DVD in 2000 (except it was the PS2).
The DVD was always going to win, everyone knew that. It was further down the line as well. I find it odd that people brought the PS2 for the DVD playback when cheaper players were around then.
We do not know about the current generations of disks. The BR rise in sales is down to the PS3 because Blu-ray included the free disks in the sales figures for one.
If i remember rightly it was Sega that laucnhed that campain against them http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/../images/smilies/smile.gif
No, My release day console had the green screen problem as well.
TheBlueRaja
13-04-2007, 10:50
Thanks moderators, this has now become an intelligent thread.
The big issue with PS3 in most peoples minds is the cost of having a blu-ray drive built in to all units. Which I can understand.
But I also remember when the PS2 came out, and all the people complaining about it having a built in DVD drive, and how people didn't want it because it made the console more expensive! We all know how well that unit did as a result of that decision.
Wrong - the DVD drive had nothing to do with the success of the PS2, the games made the PS2 a success and its reasonable starting price point...
Which in 2000 / 2001 is not equivalent to 425 quid today and even that is without the HDMI lead you need to buy as an extra.
The DVD was always going to win, everyone knew that. It was further down the line as well. I find it odd that people brought the PS2 for the DVD playback when cheaper players were around then.
You mean you didn't want one of those fantastic Video discs the size of records! ;)
PS2 was a cheap alternative to the quite expensive DVD players at the time. I remember that being a major factor in me buying one (same reason as PS3 really)
Wrong - the DVD drive had nothing to do with the success of the PS2, the games made the PS2 a success and its reasonable starting price point...
Which in 2000 / 2001 is not equivalent to 425 quid today and even that is without the HDMI lead you need to buy as an extra.
You read any review on why PS2 was a success they will mention the DVD player.
Take a look at house prices, and the cost of Mars bars in 2000!
Wrong - the DVD drive had nothing to do with the success of the PS2, the games made the PS2 a success and its reasonable starting price point...
Ok, well here the first quote to start you off
......just as people who play PS2s were the early proponents of the DVD format. It drove the DVD format.
So it seems like Sony know that the DVD drive did the PS2 a lot of good, and the DVD was early, just as the Blu-Ray
Which in 2000 / 2001 is not equivalent to 425 quid today and even that is without the HDMI lead you need to buy as an extra.
You dont NEED to buy it, you have the CHOICE as to if you want to buy it or now, however may bundles include it.
TheBlueRaja
13-04-2007, 11:23
Ok, well here the first quote to start you off
So it seems like Sony know that the DVD drive did the PS2 a lot of good, and the DVD was early, just as the Blu-Ray
DVD had been around since late 95 and sales took off before the introduction of the PS2 in late 2000. Blu-Ray is a new format and is nowhere near established.
You dont NEED to buy it, you have the CHOICE as to if you want to buy it or now, however may bundles include it.
Finally getting it are you...
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You read any review on why PS2 was a success they will mention the DVD player.
Thats because people WANTED one, and it was far from the sole reason the PS2 was a success.
Graham M
13-04-2007, 11:24
Why should you have to pay extra for a HD-enabling cable when the console is supposed to be HD from the off?
DVD had been around since late 95 and sales took off before the introduction of the PS2 in late 2000. Blu-Ray is a new format and is nowhere near established.
But it didnt become dominent till 2003, and the PS2 did have a lot to do with the adoption speed.
Finally getting it are you...
I think you will find its called taking the mick. Theres a limit to how many cables can come with a console, it happens that they provide you with the ompsite and scart adaptor, so its only missing some of the cables.
Thats because people WANTED one, and it was far from the sole reason the PS2 was a success.
It was one of the big reasons, and many of the industry experts say so, as well as the owners that sony asked.
TheBlueRaja
13-04-2007, 11:33
Why should you have to pay extra for a HD-enabling cable when the console is supposed to be HD from the off?
Better ask Sony that one...
Its also been reported that some distributors are pushing punters to the more expensive HDMI cables as well for the PS3 when a cheap ass HDMI cable is all you need as its not like SCART where a good cable will make a hell of a difference.
Why should you have to pay extra for a HD-enabling cable when the console is supposed to be HD from the off?
Its not much for the cable, but the HDMI cable isnt a HD enabling cable, there are other cables that you might of wanted. As seen as most bundles include the HDMI cable anyway, its a null problem.
Wrong - the DVD drive had nothing to do with the success of the PS2,
Thats because people WANTED one, and it was far from the sole reason the PS2 was a success.
With all due respect, you said the DVD had nothing to do with the success, now it is not the sole reason. Which is it?
Why should you have to pay extra for a HD-enabling cable when the console is supposed to be HD from the off?
Yep, I agree, should have been included.
DVD and Blu-Ray are the not the same.
DVD was a massive step over from VHS. Easier to use, small, better quality. Also it had no rival format and was already established as the future, PS2 may have speed it up (although the sales of PS2 compared to DVD players makes me question this) but it was already on its way.
Blu-Ray is only DVD in HD. It offers no more advantages over DVD than that so it is less popular and will take longer to become mainstream and thats only if it beats HD DVD which has advantages for makers since it is cheaper to produce and you can have HD DVD On one side and DVD on the other which allows people to buy their DVD's with future-proofing.
So, unlike the dvd player in the PS2, Blu-ray does not add much value to most of the population. If you want Blu-Ray thens it fine but most people want a games console and hence the price is too much. Most people dont have HD tvs yet. Look at the sales of HD DVD drive for the 360 to see just how popular the next gen formats are.
Its far to early for either format and unlike DVD there is less incentive to upgrade and most people cannot without a new TV.
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Oh the PS2 was a success because it had the games, it really is that simple. It also had no real rivals until it already shifted a large amount of consoles. It was technically inferior but it won. Games and its exclusives are what did it.
Its also been reported that some distributors are pushing punters to the more expensive HDMI cables as well for the PS3 when a cheap ass HDMI cable is all you need as its not like SCART where a good cable will make a hell of a difference.
Dont think thats true, better cables are made out of better metals, you tend to find the good ones have 24k Gold connectors. Thats beause that gold has a lower resistance. That means that there is less singnal loss, and with less singnal loss you get a better quality picture, Espically over distancces.
Also with better cables, you get better protection from interference, many people forget to keep power and video cables seperate (i have 2 seperate conduits in the wall). With better protected cables you are less likly to get interference.
Although you may not notice the difference, it doesnt mean it isnt there. HDMI is less efectied than Scart, but still efected.
I noticed it on my run, granted its 10m but in then end i sent the cheap cable back and got a better one.
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DVD and Blu-Ray are the not the same.
*snip*
Its far to early for either format and unlike DVD there is less incentive to upgrade and most people cannot without a new TV.
Hate to say it, but even my mum can tell the difference between SD and HD. More and more TV's are HD-ready, and dont forget the next year of so there is going to be a huge rise in TV sales with the digital switch over. During switch over a huge amount of people will be buying HD-Ready TV's and many people will do the maths and make everything HD ready with the upgrade.
Oh the PS2 was a success because it had the games, it really is that simple. It also had no real rivals until it already shifted a large amount of consoles. It was technically inferior but it won. Games and its exclusives are what did it.
And the Games ad exclusives it didnt have at launch.
Hate to say it, but even my mum can tell the difference between SD and HD. More and more TV's are HD-ready, and dont forget the next year of so there is going to be a huge rise in TV sales with the digital switch over. During switch over a huge amount of people will be buying HD-Ready TV's and many people will do the maths and make everything HD ready with the upgrade.
I never said people could not tell the difference, just that its not as pivotal as the change to DVD. Also HD will eventually come but its not a incentive to get a PS3 now, it may be if blu-ray wins but honestly its not worth the price for most people.
The PS2 was the only next gen console at launch, it had exclusives before the xbox came which was the only major rival to the PS2 but came far to late.
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All i am saying is that Blu-ray is not going to be a big selling point for most people. So for a games console that makes the 360 cheaper.
I dont really care anymore, I may get a ps3 in a year or so but the sales figures in the US and now here show the 360 and wii outselling the PS3 so unless the PS3 gets a big game and a price drop soon it wont overtake the 360 as the 1st place console
TheBlueRaja
13-04-2007, 12:00
Dont think thats true, better cables are made out of better metals, you tend to find the good ones have 24k Gold connectors. Thats beause that gold has a lower resistance. That means that there is less singnal loss, and with less singnal loss you get a better quality picture, Espically over distancces.
Also with better cables, you get better protection from interference, many people forget to keep power and video cables seperate (i have 2 seperate conduits in the wall). With better protected cables you are less likly to get interference.
Although you may not notice the difference, it doesnt mean it isnt there. HDMI is less efectied than Scart, but still efected.
HDMI is digital, the signal either gets there or it doesn't. Scart is Analogue and is subject to interference.
You will see no difference with a better HDMI cable.
Yep. The PS3 official cable is HDMI 1.3, allowing for a greater capacity of data to run through it. All HD tvs in the market at the moment are HDMI v 1.1, so there is no point in getting the 1.3 cables.
HDMI is digital, the signal either gets there or it doesn't. Scart is Analogue and is subject to interference.
You will see no difference with a better HDMI cable.
And because its digital, instead of getting a worse signal you get jumpy blocky singnals...
Feel free to order a cheap 10m HDMI and an expencive one, you can tell the difference. Otherwise i would of stuck with the first one i baught.
I assume that you have only tried it on short 1m cables, where you are unlikly to notice the difference even with Scart.
Digital is just as prone to interference, but the result of it is different.
Graham M
13-04-2007, 12:57
And because its digital, instead of getting a worse signal you get jumpy blocky singnals...
Feel free to order a cheap 10m HDMI and an expencive one, you can tell the difference. Otherwise i would of stuck with the first one i baught.
I assume that you have only tried it on short 1m cables, where you are unlikly to notice the difference even with Scart.
Digital is just as prone to interference, but the result of it is different.
Interference maybe, but not so much attenuation, because the signal is either on or off rather than many different voltages/frequencies (depending on the modulation type) you're much less likely to see degradation over lengths than on Analogue
Ya, thats exactly it... but over a longer distance you can tell better. There is a difference in quality, just most people wont notice :)
keithwalton
13-04-2007, 15:32
HDMI cables should be fit for purpose if you get a 10m one and you get a jumpy picture etc then its not doing what it says on the box so take it back!
The price of hdmi cables has fallen since the intro of the ps3 they did used to be £25-30 a time now its more like £15 for an ok one.
As for the next gen dvd war, just take a look at amazon now. As of this moment there is 465 blu-ray titles on there and 444 HD-dvd titles on there. Just ONE month ago when i looked there was about 25 of each (doing a search ended up with more hardware than media) hopefully the high street stores will be following suit and having more than just a handfull of discs to buy.
Just looked round town.
HMV 4 rows of blu-ray, 1 row HD-DVD
Virgin 3 blu-ray disks I could find, 0 HD-DVD
Blockbuster Video, whole section blu-ray, 0 HD-DVD
Before PS3 was launched, only HMV had HD disks, then it was 2 rows of each.
Because the Playstation 3 is out but whats your point? The sales are still under 1-3% of the discs with DVD being the biggest. I have seen HD DVD in xbox sections.
I dont want to get into the the next gen disc format discussion but it is far too early to decide. I think HD DVD should win simply because it allows the dual dvd/HD-DVD on disc so we could all buy dvd disks as normal but HD-DVD in the future.
Either way, The point was most people do not want a HD disc player yet which is why we consider the PS3 to be highly priced.
HDMI cables should be fit for purpose if you get a 10m one and you get a jumpy picture etc then its not doing what it says on the box so take it back!
Yeah, but cables have always been like that, i tried the cheap ones and sent some of them back for the more expencive ones... I sent back the Scarts, HDMI and VGA.. the others seemed to be fine.
Just looked round town.
HMV 4 rows of blu-ray, 1 row HD-DVD
Virgin 3 blu-ray disks I could find, 0 HD-DVD
Blockbuster Video, whole section blu-ray, 0 HD-DVD
Before PS3 was launched, only HMV had HD disks, then it was 2 rows of each.
Ive been seeing similar things, also its worth noting last time i checked there was only 1 studio that was exclusive to HDDVD
Either way, The point was most people do not want a HD disc player yet which is why we consider the PS3 to be highly priced.
where you also one of the ones that said something like
Either way, The point was most people do not want a DVD player yet which is why we consider the PS2 to be highly priced.
No I wasnt. I got one on release day. The PS2 cost was not pushed up a lot by the DVD player. You yourself have said Blu-Ray is one of the reasons the cost is up. Also I made a lot of points why people did want to move to DVD.
You quite clearly do not want to debate this like a adult, you can calling us haters dispite me telling you I have always used Sony up to now and the fact I have said I may buy one in future. This is a pointless discussion. You seem unwilling to see any other point of view. I would suggest you look at the sales figures and see that maybe we have a point.
I can not agree with anyone who suggests that people do not want HD players (whether blu-ray or HD-DVD) when HD televisions are selling phenomenally at the moment. The appetite is there for this technology.
When launched the PS2 DVD player did push up the consoles price, it was £299 - a lot of money in 2000 for a console! DVD's were still a new technology and the drives were very expensive back in 2000. As DVD technology became more and more popular (it only over took VHS for sales in 2003 don't forget) the PS2 price came down.
Sony are obviously trying the same trick again. Will it work? I am not saying it will, but I think it has a good chance.
No I wasnt. I got one on release day. The PS2 cost was not pushed up a lot by the DVD player. You yourself have said Blu-Ray is one of the reasons the cost is up. Also I made a lot of points why people did want to move to DVD.
It was still significanly more expencive than other consoles, and part of that was no doubt the DVD drive.
You quite clearly do not want to debate this like a adult, you can calling us haters dispite me telling you I have always used Sony up to now and the fact I have said I may buy one in future. This is a pointless discussion. You seem unwilling to see any other point of view. I would suggest you look at the sales figures and see that maybe we have a point.
I'm willing to debate it, i've backed up everything that i have said with facts, links and industry quotes, so i carnt put my point accross any better.
You will also find that i have posted a very unbiast review of the PS3.
I have looked at the sales figures, they are well down for where i would of expected, but they have yet to have a chrstmas rush, and they are still suffering a lot of bad press.
People do not want to pay that much for a console. Its simple overpricing from Sony. People dont have £425 to pay for a console
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I can not agree with anyone who suggests that people do not want HD players (whether blu-ray or HD-DVD) when HD televisions are selling phenomenally at the moment. The appetite is there for this technology.
When launched the PS2 DVD player did push up the consoles price, it was £299 - a lot of money in 2000 for a console! DVD's were still a new technology and the drives were very expensive back in 2000. As DVD technology became more and more popular (it only over took VHS for sales in 2003 don't forget) the PS2 price came down.
Sony are obviously trying the same trick again. Will it work? I am not saying it will, but I think it has a good chance.
There lies the problem, £300 is the price people are willing to pay and expect to pay. Also DVD was certain to be the main format and everyone had heard of it. A lot of people outside the techincally community has not. Having 'Blu-ray' would mean nothing to them
Some people must have, and with the Elite comming, its not just Sony that think that.
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There lies the problem, £300 is the price people are willing to pay and expect to pay. Also DVD was certain to be the main format and everyone had heard of it. A lot of people outside the techincally community has not. Having 'Blu-ray' would mean nothing to them
Thats fine.. I think anyone that wants a PS3 knows what Blu-Ray is :)
Some people must have, and with the Elite comming, its not just Sony that think that.
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Thats fine.. I think anyone that wants a PS3 knows what Blu-Ray is :)
Indeed, Thats what I meant when I said Sony last the price advantage when they removed the 20gb PS2. The Elite seems a bit cheaper now. For the record I think the elite is a waste of money.
As for 'anyone that wants a PS3 knows what Blu-Ray is'. I agree, look how many people have brought one :D If you want Blu-Ray than the PS3 is not as expensive as it seems. The problem is, People dont want it (yet).
Christmas will be intresting but they need to cut the price to keep up for the 360 which, expect for the respective first weekends, have outsold the PS3 week on week. There will be a point where sony wont ever be able to catch up and the difference in installed base will effect the exclusive games.
don't know if this will go down well, but I've sold my PS3 and returned to using my Xbox 360.
Reasons; well, compared to XBox live, the sony PS3 store is deserted, it's like wanting a drink badly, but the PS3 store will get them in september.
Plus, I'm used to the 360 control pad, feels right in the hand, and the sony kinda small and unreal now.
Perhaps things may improve in the future for the PS3, but I for one will not miss it one bit (now back to oblivion game).
Ironically, One game at the moment that would make me buy a PS3 is God Of War 2 since my ps2 has died on me now :(
i do not understand this argument over whether the console plays hddvd/blu ray discs , these are games consoles and if you want better , wider range , better looking games to play the obvious choice is the 360 . i realise that the ps3 owners amongst us will not like that reply but thats how it is, yes the 360 has been out a year longer and it shows with the quality of games that it has , granted the ps3 has motorstorm and resistance (mixed reviews but i like the look of it) , but are these two games worth shelling out £500ish , not on your life and more fool you ps3 owners for thinking otherwise. the blu-ray argument is a no starter for a lot of households at the moment as they don't have hdtv, i agree the older gamers would buy a hdtv for themselves but can you really see parents of younger gamers buying their kids a hdtv just to play hd media on it, yet again naa. Now we are left with the fact that you can not buy a ps3 without bluray (which would have made it a lot cheaper) , so save yourself a packet , buy a hddvd drive or bluray drive when they are £99 from tesco or you can get one from your local co-op for
£25 and play you GAMES on your GAMES CONSOLE , and seeing as the 360 has better , more , will run at the same resolutions and whether ps3 like it or not has a far superior graphics chip (yes i know the old argument about the ps3 having a better proccessor , its only slightly , and i would much rather be slightly cpu limited than gpu limited)
Yes the ps3 can play blu-ray ... WHO CARES its to play games on.
Tezcatlipoca
14-04-2007, 19:41
Although the differece is not yet noticable, its worth looking at how things change. Game developers actually have had a much longer time to build games for the xbox360, compared to the PS3, and the Graphics are currently keeping up quite well, COD is a little behind the 360 IMO. However if you compare them when the developers have had a fair amount of time to get used to the engine, then the difference in power will become clear. You only have to compare launch day PS2 games to recent PS2 games to see the difference a few years of development can make.
True. Although by the time the PS3 has its "2nd gen" games, the 360 will be on its "3rd gen" games.... and how many developers will have the time & money to really squeeze everything out of the Cell, especially as it makes more financial sense to develop multi-format games? [& unlike the last gen., Sony are playing catch up this time]
But you definitely have a point.
I remember the PS2 launch line up.... utter, utter crap.
Yet look at God of War & the upcoming God of War 2 :drool:
I have to ask, have you had a proper go on a PS3 yet?
I ask this for one important reason. For months a firend of mine came out with every excuse under the sun for not buying a PS3, joked about playing my 360 when he came round on launch day and having more fun, you know the usual PS3 hater stuff examples of which can be seen all around this forum.
Guess what? He now owns one, he saw the games, loved them, and he also love the quality that the BRDVD played back at. He was acutally as excited as i was before i got it when he saw it.
Playing on one in Game is different to actually having a hardcore night on one. You can mess with a lot of the cool features that there is (I'm still shockingly awful at using the tilt sensor for drving on motorstorm) and you start to see that theres alot of things that seem to of gone un mentioned where the PS3 really does outgun other consoles (including desktop PC's to some extent)
Not a proper go yet, no.
Although one of my friends is considering one, so I may get a chance to play on his if he does.
Still - for me - no justification to buy one yet though, not 'till the price drops & it gets more games.
To be honest if you look at it, all the 3rd Gen consoles have slipped up in someway or another.
the 360 made the mistake of not having a HDD in the core, many studios say that it means they now have to develop games as if there was no HDD, where as on the PS3 they know they have atleast 20GB to play with. The Elite is going to be their next big mistake, as USA pricing is making the 360Elite more expencive than the PS3, and they are going to have to justify that. Not sure how they will manage that, you know Still no HD drive and still not Wifi... Its alot of money extra that they are charging for 60GB of Disk space.
MS did definitely screw up by not giving the 360 an HDD as standard. The Core was a waste of time. As you say, when developers make games for the 360, they can't simply take it for granted that every 360 has an HDD. WiFi... not such a big issue at all I think, but still something they should have added, seeing as the PS3 *and* the cheap & cheerful Wii both have it.
Ah, what you want is a WiiS3 :P I saw this at one point but i havent been able to find it again, there are some people that are trying to make a way of using the Wii controller on the PS3. It looked great fun, but there was a huge amount of bugs to work out.
And if its your wife to be, Dont tell her about the amount of dust it collects, i mean it mine goes ballistic at me everytime she sees it.
Wiimote on a PS3? lol. I've seen that you can use it on a PC.
I'll make do with Wii60 for now, then perhaps upgrade to PSWii60 next year. Hmm, maybe I could put "PS3" on the wedding gift list, lol.....
Hmm, prices have changed since i checked play, last time i checked the PS3 worked out £5 cheaper... there again, the PS3 is how many months old and the 360 is how old? £15 isnt an awful lot, to have a 360 that still does have less features than the PS3... Just need someone to find a Wifi adaptor for less than £15 now :P
Standard RRPs for the Premium & the HD DVD drive have always been £280 & £130. You can find both of them cheaper, although you can also find the PS3 cheaper (£399 some places).
I seem to remember that the padding when it was looked at came out to be only a very very small amount of the over all data, i think the total was a few hundread Mb.. Which compared the the amount of data it actaully had on the disk was nothing..
I've since read another story with someone else from Bethesda saying the "padding stories" were exaggerated.
If i remember correctly, the PS2 still sells more than any other console everyday! They now have over 100Million units shipped and it all started off the same way, the same comments, the same problems.
Yeah, AFAIK it still outsells pretty much everything else. Although I think the Wii & DS may be currently selling more that the PS2 in the US. I did see an up to date sale chart recently, but can't remember where.
No, My release day console had the green screen problem as well.
Yeah, horrible green screen when using RGB SCART.
DVD had been around since late 95 and sales took off before the introduction of the PS2 in late 2000.
The DVD standard itself was agreed in late 1995, & the CSS protection not agreed until 1996.
Players & discs took until '97 to come out (US, I think Japan was earlier, & we would've been later), & were horrendously expensive.
My first PC to have a DVD-ROM drive was bought in 1999, & IIRC it was still a fairly big/new thing back then to have DVD on a PC.
Around 1999/2000, standalone DVD players were still very expensive. The cheapest "budget" players available were e.g. the Wharfedale sold by Tesco & the Proline sold by Woolworths - both cost £150. Region 2 discs around that time were pricey, & were also often utter crap compared to their R1 counterparts (lack of extras, & the Flipper farce).
The PS2 was the only next gen console at launch, it had exclusives before the xbox came which was the only major rival to the PS2 but came far to late.
You forget the beloved & shortlived Dreamcast :(
The first 6th gen console, released in Europe in 1999, around 1 year before the PS2.
Xbox was definitely too late as you say... Autumn 2001 in the US, Spring 2002 in Europe. Could never catch up with the PS2, & was hampered by MS being the new kid on the block.
Ironically, One game at the moment that would make me buy a PS3 is God Of War 2 since my ps2 has died on me now :(
Yeah :(
I *really* want to play God of War 2 (pretty much universally acclaimed as The Best PS2 Game Ever), but no longer have anything to play it on.
It is also rumoured to have some sort of hidden HD (or at least ED) mode, making it look even better on the PS3 than PS2.
You forget the beloved & shortlived Dreamcast http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/../images/smilies/frown.gif
The first 6th gen console, released in Europe in 1999, around 1 year before the PS2.
Everyone waited for the PS2, That was the problem. The Playstation Brand was very strong then. Its weaker now and the 360 has really done well. It will be intresting to see what happens but the sales figures have the 360 outselling the PS3 so the gap is actually getting larger.
A price drop is needed soon.
Its odd thinking the dreamcast had an online mode so early on in the console wars. I am just glad to see Nintendo doing well, they are the best selling next gen console (i think) and are actually coming up on MS already. Be wonderful to see nintendo leading the pack :)
anybody know of any new stuff coming to the ps3 store
I can not agree with anyone who suggests that people do not want HD players (whether blu-ray or HD-DVD) when HD televisions are selling phenomenally at the moment. The appetite is there for this technology.
Yet shops, where they are selling HD discs, have only devoted (at most) one or two racks. Some (like smaller branches of HMV) only have one or two shelves of HD (both formats) discs.
Remember DVD Audio, or SACD? They were both formats of the future, offering better than CD quality. Both launched with a lot of hype. They were expected to do to CD what CD had already done to Tape and Vinyl.
They didn't. Why? I don't know. It could be that people are happy with the quality of reproduction they get from CD. There may be some truth to this: tape and vinyl were both worse quality than CD, as are all lossy compression systems (WMA, MP3, MP4, AAC) yet people are happy to use them.
It could also be that people bought into CD for reasons OTHER than the quality, such as ease of storage (CDs being smaller than records) or life (we were told that CDs would last a lifetime). It could also be conveniance (simply type a track number and go to it, no windind or moving the needle).
DVD video offered similar advantages over Video. It undoubtedly offered better quality (576 lines, compared to around 300 for VHS and 400 for SVHS). It also offered near CD quality sound ( I say near CD quality as both Dolby Digital and DTS are lossy compression systems) that, if you had the right equipment, could surround you. DVD also offered the possibility of extras (documentaries, games etc), as well as multiple picture angles, multiple soundtracks, subtitles etc. It also offered branching which can either be used (as it has been) to integrate making of documentaries into a film, or to select alternative plot lines or scenes (such as alternate endings).
Apart from improving the quality of that lot, what new features does HD DVD (either format) bring? None, that I can see.
Now, DVD was (and I believe, still is) the fastest growing consumer video system ever. I think there were two reasons for that. One is (for the reasons I talk about above) it is a massive improvement over VHS. The other is that it was standardised. People could buy DVDs and be fairly certain that it would play on any player that they happened to have. Even the players for the one competing format (Divx) would play it. At the moment, neither Blue Ray nor HDDVD can offer that. Until they can, I would be surprised if the market really took off.
People can argue that most of the film studios have commited to Blue Ray. At the moment, they have. However, when DVD was launched, half of them commited to it's competing format (Divx - nothing to do with the codec of the same name). When divx failed, they just switched allegiances.
Also, bear in mind that apart from the Playstation, Sony don't have a good track record in picking formats :Betamax, Minidisc (which failed as a commercial format, although did well in the home recording market), UMD video. Those formats while often techinically superior to competing formats have all failed, or are failing.
Dont forget HD-DVD best quality. The dual format disks ;)
Tezcatlipoca
15-04-2007, 00:00
Dont forget HD-DVD best quality. The dual format disks ;)
I think HD DVD & Blu-ray movies are meant to have fairly equal quality now.
Early BDs didn't look as good as early HD DVDs, as for some strange reason they still used MPEG-2 rather than AVC or VC-1.
However, the newer BDs do use VC-1 or AVC, like HD DVDs do.
I think HD DVD & Blu-ray movies are meant to have fairly equal quality now.
Early BDs didn't look as good as early HD DVDs, as for some strange reason they still used MPEG-2 rather than AVC or VC-1.
However, the newer BDs do use VC-1 or AVC, like HD DVDs do.
No, they are equal. I was refering to the discs can have HD on one side and DVD on the other. I.E Get a Disc which can be played on either player. So they could release all DVDs with a HD on the other side. So as far as everyone is concerned they are getting a DVD but in the future it will also be HD-DVD.
Everyone will get a HD-DVD player if they can play their existing discs in HD on them ;)
Not too sure HD-DVD will win they seem to be getting a right pasting in sales. Admitedly 3m Ps3's are boosting the Blu ray movies sales but a sale is a sale and toshiba panicked to give 5 free movies to every sold player to boost flagging fortunes. I wonder if Toshiba made a massive error in judgement of the market they seem to be getting hit all over. They already ditched there fabled SED technology for OLED TV development leaving Cannon there partners in the cold.
Microsoft never really showed a great conviction to endorse toshiba's HD-DVD technology from day one. Even with the impending Elite they have shunned toshiba. Even had microsoft hint they may go blu ray at some point.
I can not agree with anyone who suggests that people do not want HD players (whether blu-ray or HD-DVD) when HD televisions are selling phenomenally at the moment. The appetite is there for this technology.I'm thinking about getting an HD TV... more for the reduced footprint over my current SD TV... I'd probably just get an upscaler for my DVD player though, rather than decide now on the BR versus HD-DVD format war. Then, once that is decided, I can get a standalone player when they're cheap-as-chips in supermarkets.
TheBlueRaja
15-04-2007, 18:25
I'm thinking about getting an HD TV... more for the reduced footprint over my current SD TV... I'd probably just get an upscaler for my DVD player though, rather than decide now on the BR versus HD-DVD format war. Then, once that is decided, I can get a standalone player when they're cheap-as-chips in supermarkets.
BR vs HD-DVD is a non starter.
HDTV's are being bought for the following reasons mainly, a decrease in the footprint in the home that a TV takes up and the emergence of HD television broadcasting.
BR or HD-DVD ain't even in the equation which is why the PS3 having Blu-Ray is a waste of money for most people.
change of heart time, as my "final" 360 bites the dust yesterday, lots of tile effects, freeze up playing oblivion (onscreen message says "this disc is unreadable, press OK to continue".
So enough is enough, I've traded it back into game, and bought a new PS3.
(Eats humble pie after last posted comment).
Now the software says its updated 'version 1.70' to download PS1 games from the playstation store, so going to look afterwards to see what's on there.
keithwalton
19-04-2007, 15:29
1.7 is a new update today i havent tried it yet but hopefully its much better than 1.6!
icestar2
19-04-2007, 15:42
Ah right I had no idea that 1.7 was out yet - gonna go get it and see if its any good.
keithwalton
19-04-2007, 17:50
wahey gran turismo 4 is now supported in version 1.7 :D
hopefully by the time they get to 2.0 they will have most of the games resolved.
I have been told to report all none working games, as they will support them on priority.
icestar2
20-04-2007, 00:06
Got the update - no ps1 games around yet though. Not much to this one really.
Tezcatlipoca
20-04-2007, 00:40
So enough is enough, I've traded it back into game, and bought a new PS3.
(Eats humble pie after last posted comment).
You traded in a faulty 360? :disturbd:
Did GAME know it was faulty? ;)
1.7 is a new update today i havent tried it yet but hopefully its much better than 1.6!
Firmware v 1.7 -
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/19/ps3-firmware-upped-to-1-7-issues-with-playing-ps-classics-on-ps/
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/a45436/playstation-3-system-update-now-available.html
PSOne & PS2 controllers will now rumble.
Adds support for the coming ability to download PS1 games from the store & play them on the PS3. Some can also then be transferred to a PSP.
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UK sales figures, from leaked "Chart Track" data which Sony does not dispute:
PS3's 1st week of sale - 165,000
PS3's 2nd week of sale - 34,000
PS3's 3rd week of sale - 17,000
Compare the PS3's 3rd week to...
Xbox360 - 11,000 (lower than the PS3's 17,000... however the 360 has been out since December 2005... the PS3 has only been out for a few weeks & is already low)
Wii - 25,000 (this is despite it still suffering from supply problems...unlike the PS3, which every store seems to have an abundance of stock of).
Source: http://shopping.guardian.co.uk/games/story/0,,2061159,00.html
Sony *really* need to drop the price. Fast.
£425 is killing it, now the early-adopters & so on have got theirs already at launch.
The 60GB PS3 is only $599 in the US (~ £300 at the current exchange rate!) :(
The PS2 launched at £300, & after a year was £200. The Xbox launched at £300, & I'm pretty sure it also dropped a similar amount after around a year.
I think Sony can't afford to wait a year for any significant PS3 price cuts though.
Although they lose money on each PS3 sold*, if they want people to actually buy the damned thing, they're gonna have to bite the bullet early & cut the price & lose even more money on each one.
It's the software & peripherals that they make their money on, anyway.
Cut the price = more units sold. More units sold = more software & peripherals sold.
And, of course, more units sold = more people with Sony's very own Blu-ray... which may well be more important to Sony in the long run than losing some money on PS3 sales.........
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* Funnily, Nintendo are the only company to actually make a profit from each unit sold AFAIK... I believe the 360 is still sold at a loss too.
TheBlueRaja
20-04-2007, 18:13
Sales figures for North America in March - PS3 takes a pasting (again) as predicted.
* Nintendo DS: 508K
* Sony PlayStation 2: 280K
* Nintendo Wii: 259K (2.1 million total)
* Microsoft Xbox 360: 199K (5.3 million total)
* Sony PSP: 180k
* Nintendo Game Boy Advance: 148K
* Sony PlayStation 3: 130K (1.2 million total)
* Nintendo Gamecube: 22K
* Microsoft Xbox: N/A
Beat the Gamecube i suppose, fantastic to see the Wii back up there.
What a supprise, you didnt post it as general infomation, It was just another Dig at the PS3.....
How about looking at it another way, Sony combined (PSP,PS2,PS3) sold more consoles than anyother company combined.
Why do you spend so much time trolling the PS3 anyway?
icestar2
20-04-2007, 18:34
Sales figures for North America in March - PS3 takes a pasting (again) as predicted.
* Nintendo DS: 508K
* Sony PlayStation 2: 280K
* Nintendo Wii: 259K (2.1 million total)
* Microsoft Xbox 360: 199K (5.3 million total)
* Sony PSP: 180k
* Nintendo Game Boy Advance: 148K
* Sony PlayStation 3: 130K (1.2 million total)
* Nintendo Gamecube: 22K
* Microsoft Xbox: N/A
Beat the Gamecube i suppose, fantastic to see the Wii back up there.
Your getting a bit boring now m8 - if you dont like ps3 fair enough but your constantly looking for more reason's to have a go. Please just leave it alone we all know your opinion by now.
Personally I'd say it was relevant information.
Some people (names omitted to protect the guilty) were claiming the first week figures showed the PS3 was the greatest thing ever. A few others said wait and see, I bet it'll drop like a lead coated stone after a few weeks.
And lo and behold look whats happened.
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How about looking at it another way, Sony combined (PSP,PS2,PS3) sold more consoles than anyother company combined.
Errr are you sure about that?
Sony
PSP + PS2 + PS3 / 280k + 180K + 130K = 590K
Nintendo
DS + Wii + GBA + GC / 508K + 259K + 148K + 22K = 937K
Just thought I'd point that out.
*Waits for "But, but the GBA and DS aren't the same as the PSP, they don't count" argument to start.* :D
TheBlueRaja
20-04-2007, 19:30
What a supprise, you didnt post it as general infomation, It was just another Dig at the PS3.....
How about looking at it another way, Sony combined (PSP,PS2,PS3) sold more consoles than anyother company combined.
Why do you spend so much time trolling the PS3 anyway?
Your getting a bit boring now m8 - if you dont like ps3 fair enough but your constantly looking for more reason's to have a go. Please just leave it alone we all know your opinion by now.
:rolleyes: Facts are facts...
Personally I'd say it was relevant information.
Some people (names omitted to protect the guilty) were claiming the first week figures showed the PS3 was the greatest thing ever. A few others said wait and see, I bet it'll drop like a lead coated stone after a few weeks.
And lo and behold look whats happened.
And some said they would drop, and some only come in the this forum to troll :)
Errr are you sure about that?
Sony
PSP + PS2 + PS3 / 280k + 180K + 130K = 590K
Nintendo
DS + Wii + GBA + GC / 508K + 259K + 148K + 22K = 937K
Just thought I'd point that out.
*Waits for "But, but the GBA and DS aren't the same as the PSP, they don't count" argument to start.* :D
Missed the DS :erm: Console wise tho :)
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:rolleyes: Facts are facts...
Trolls are trolls :)
icestar2
20-04-2007, 23:44
Yes but why do you keep spamming us with this information ? its easy to see that your looking for reason's to call it down. I like looking at this post to find out updates and new games etc etc but all I ever find is you pulling it down.
I dont want to make a big thing about it - And fair enough its your right to your opinion but please stop pulling it down in almost all your post's here. I mean why are you posting in this thread anyway ? you dont like it so why bother ?
TheBlueRaja
21-04-2007, 00:31
Trolls are trolls :)
Fanboys are Fanboys... ;)
Yes but why do you keep spamming us with this information ? its easy to see that your looking for reason's to call it down. I like looking at this post to find out updates and new games etc etc but all I ever find is you pulling it down.
I dont want to make a big thing about it - And fair enough its your right to your opinion but please stop pulling it down in almost all your post's here. I mean why are you posting in this thread anyway ? you dont like it so why bother ?
Your wrong, i do like it, the console is actually quite good, if youy had bothered to read all my post you would have read that i wouldnt mind one.
However, what i wont put up with is the bull that Sony spread about the PS3, the fact that they put in Blu-Ray and expect us to pay for it when its not needed and the "one-upmanship" practice they have employed when it comes to marketing the console.
All of which makes it more expensive to you pocket.
I would like a PS3 but not at this price or anything like it and i detest Sony.
icestar2
21-04-2007, 00:48
Ok maybe I worded it wrong - You hate sony, fair enough but as I say please stop with the attack's(again maybe not the right word) and allow us to use the thread for playstation related stuff and not just having this same old debate.
Again I am not just aiming this at you its just your the one who keeps replying lol.
At the end of the day we all see things diffrently and are entitled to our opinion. Just fedup of seeing this stuff.
EDIT**
Just to make sure no1 think am a fanboy I enjoy both the 360 and the ps3. I like them both for diffrent reason's. I look forward to hopefully owning a WII as this also looks like alot of fun.
keithwalton
21-04-2007, 01:52
Personally i couldnt care less if sony only sold one more ps3 in the entire world then gave up making them. As I own one i think its great i've logged in alot of hours on it already and i've only had it a few weeks (i play it more regularly than i ever did my x360, but then im playing more ps2 games than ps3 games)
Its a good console that is getting better, just a random fact for you since owning a ps3 for 3 weeks now, my x360 has been turned on once to watch serenity on hd-dvd, where as my ps3 has not yet been turned off for more than 5 minutes (it folds when its idle)
does anybody know when home is coming on the ps3
Downloads
21-04-2007, 09:00
Sales figures for North America in March - PS3 takes a pasting (again) as predicted.
* Nintendo DS: 508K
* Sony PlayStation 2: 280K
* Nintendo Wii: 259K (2.1 million total)
* Microsoft Xbox 360: 199K (5.3 million total)
* Sony PSP: 180k
* Nintendo Game Boy Advance: 148K
* Sony PlayStation 3: 130K (1.2 million total)
* Nintendo Gamecube: 22K
* Microsoft Xbox: N/A
Beat the Gamecube i suppose, fantastic to see the Wii back up there.
Yeah but your facts seem quite funny. You say it takes a pasting and yet it's only 70k behind the 360 when it costs a lot more.
http://www.totallyps3.com/gameinfo.php?details=newsid&newsid=88
The link provided is from the totally network which was set up to report on the 360 and then created PS3 and Wii sites as an after thought. They favour the 360 but report it realistically.
The top graph on the link provides all the information you need TBR, the PS3 is tracking at exactly the same rate in the US as the 360 did for the first 5 months of it's launch and it was cheaper. I don't seem to remember you banging on about how poor sales were then? The bottom graph shows the entire life on the consoles, obviously 360 is better here but you would expect it to have sold more being out longer. The trend lines are the same though, and that really is all that matters.
And what about outside the US? You think they are tracking at the same rate? Nope.
I love my 360, but your facts aren't facts.
blah blah blah.... 360 supply issues... blah blah blah... PS3s sitting on shelves... blah blah blah... 360 faced no competition... blah blah blah... we've done all this before and seem to just be going round and round in circles. :spin:
Seriously though, imo, Sony need to strongly consider introducing a price cut sooner rather than later. As Matt said, they'd make so much money, in the longer term, if BluRay became the dominant format of the future that it would be worth spending (i.e. by losing) the extra tens of millions of dollars that a price cut would cause.
Sony must have already spent hundreds of millions developing the console, so it's not as if they can afford to sit back and wait. They need to capitalise on the strength of their brand - there are in excess of 100 million PS2 owners, and at the moment, it seems as though Microsoft's market share is increasing at Sony's expense.
TheBlueRaja
21-04-2007, 10:44
Yeah but your facts seem quite funny. You say it takes a pasting and yet it's only 70k behind the 360 when it costs a lot more.
http://www.totallyps3.com/gameinfo.php?details=newsid&newsid=88
The link provided is from the totally network which was set up to report on the 360 and then created PS3 and Wii sites as an after thought. They favour the 360 but report it realistically.
The top graph on the link provides all the information you need TBR, the PS3 is tracking at exactly the same rate in the US as the 360 did for the first 5 months of it's launch and it was cheaper. I don't seem to remember you banging on about how poor sales were then? The bottom graph shows the entire life on the consoles, obviously 360 is better here but you would expect it to have sold more being out longer. The trend lines are the same though, and that really is all that matters.
And what about outside the US? You think they are tracking at the same rate? Nope.
I love my 360, but your facts aren't facts.
blah blah blah.... 360 supply issues... blah blah blah... PS3s sitting on shelves... blah blah blah... 360 faced no competition... blah blah blah... we've done all this before and seem to just be going round and round in circles. :spin:
Exactly... You couldnt get one.
Downloads
21-04-2007, 11:03
Exactly... You couldnt get one.
Then when they became available freely why didn't the trend line increase rapidly if there was so much demand. Answer: Because even if they saturated the market, they wouldn't have sold hundreds of thousands more. These are typical trend lines, nothing out of the ordinary. I see them every day at work doing analysis.
Facts of the matter are, the 360 and PS3 are doing very similar. The Wii has a typical trend line too, it's just outperforming the other 2.
Who knows what the future will hold, maybe the PS3 will drop off and flatline a bit, but it's doing just fine as it stands.
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