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Oh dear... I knew things weren't looking good with the removal of the Emotion Engine, but I was expecting something better than this.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/14/ps3-hits-europe-and-by-backwards-compatible-we-mean-eragon/
Look, Eragon is great and all, with his pretty boy hair and that whole dragon thing he's got going on, but we wouldn't exactly describe him as ideal representation of a complete Euro-PS3 backwards compatibility list. Unfortunately, that's exactly what the folks at Cynamite found, who nabbed a pre-release Emotion Engine-free PS3 for testing a couple weeks before launch, and confirmed some of the worst fears about the PAL PS3's backwards compatibility. Granted, Sony could (and hopefully does) have a major software revision up its sleeve to boost emulation capabilities of the PS3 at launch, but they tested the top 12 PS2 titles in Europe (including such faves as God of War, MGS 3: Snake Eater and Guitar Hero 2) only to find that the sole game on the list that would even launch was Eragon.
DocDutch
14-03-2007, 20:36
and who thinks that the PS3 will make it in Europe that well....I dont think that there will be a massive rush on it myself
LostintheNW
14-03-2007, 22:06
What makes me laugh is the people who are buying a cut down version of what the americans and japanese got! why should we be given an inferior machine?
Good job it doesnt appear to be going to sell well as its just what sony deserve, a kick in the teeth for delaying this thing over and over and then bringing out a sub-standard book end!
don't forget that they're charging Europeans more for less ;)
If you were thinking of getting one, would backward compatibility (or lack thereof) be a big issue?
What you all seem to forget is that this is the PS3 with old firmware, the European PS3 have not got the new firmware to allow the backwards compatibility yet, it is getting released on launch day.
Saaf_laandon_mo
15-03-2007, 06:05
don't forget that they're charging Europeans more for less ;)
If you were thinking of getting one, would backward compatibility (or lack thereof) be a big issue?
i'm not too fussed about backward compatibility, but the closer and closer we get to launch date, the more and more I think I'd be better of buying a 360.
I'm hoping that on ps3 launch date there will be some amazing offers on 360 bundles.
STONEISLAND
15-03-2007, 07:20
I have said it before and i will say it again.
I do not want to play old PS2 games on the next gen console. Who cares!!!!!
Do we have anything positive to say here?
Yes we pay more we pay more for eveything.
I cannot wait till the 23rd.
Me neither, TV is setup, Cable is ready, Controlers/Console and extra games on preorder (all to be delivered on the 23rd).
The missus is going out for the night, and the lads will be round at 6 with beer and food.
Going to be a hell of a night, although it does need a few months to get the games out that are going to give the 360 a run for its money.
And of course, Casino Royal on Blu-Ray will show the 360 how its done.
Just hope my 360 and the wii doesnt feel left out.
Saaf_laandon_mo
15-03-2007, 09:00
Ok, I havent been keeping upto date with stuff regarding blu-ray, but will the PS3 play my existing DVDs?
LostintheNW
15-03-2007, 09:47
I love how everyone is going on about how blu ray will show the 360 how its done...seems simple for MS to update windows to accept blu ray, so it would be easy for them to release and add on blu ray player if needs be...
Usual fanboys posting in here as well about how they think an unreleased console thats inferior to the other versions released is going to beat a console thast already proving itself in the market.
And some people actually want BC seeing as they either don't own a ps2 but would like to play the games, or they just want to put their ps2 away for space purposes.
And of course, Casino Royal on Blu-Ray will show the 360 how its done.
But Blu-Ray is already an inferior technology compared to a HD drive... so Im not to sure what your basing that on. :confused:
Bad news about the backwards compatibility of the ps3, however its not surpring Sony have hit another major flaw with the UK model. Another feature that lacks in this so called "next gen" console makes the hardware look inadequate.
A no frills console, should have a no frils price tag in all honesty... and the ps3 should be priced around the same as a Wii (maybe a little less to be fair)
And of course, Casino Royal on Blu-Ray will show the 360 how its done.
See, I don't get this - I have a 360, but I don't care about its DVD capabilities; I care about its gaming capabilities :shrug: That's why I have a DVD recorder / player as well
As for HD-DVD / Blu-Ray - I'm just going to wait until the industry actually decides which way it's going to go...
Oh, and there's no way I'm getting a PS3 - far too much money, fairly lax release titles and the 360's had a year to take the market. Not bothered about backwards compatibility either, so that's not an issue either...
Saaf_laandon_mo
15-03-2007, 10:45
and no pro evo 6 on it till at least another 6 months or so right? :-(
and no pro evo 6 on it till at least another 6 months or so right? :-(
Ah well, I've always been bobbins at Pro Evo, so that wouldn't bother me either :D
But Blu-Ray is already an inferior technology compared to a HD drive... so Im not to sure what your basing that on. :confused:
Pretty simple, Blu-Ray has more backing, and the PS3 Includes a Blu-Ray drive.
As for inferior, Well BR disks have more storeage than HD, BR disks have a higher Data and Video transfer rate, BR doesnt need a secondary decoder, do not sure where you claim that BR is inferior to HD.
Bad news about the backwards compatibility of the ps3, however its not surpring Sony have hit another major flaw with the UK model. Another feature that lacks in this so called "next gen" console makes the hardware look inadequate.
Its not a major deal, they say there will still be backwards compatibility, but it will be software based not hardware based, so its not like they are dropping it.
A no frills console, should have a no frils price tag in all honesty... and the ps3 should be priced around the same as a Wii (maybe a little less to be fair)
No Frills? that doesnt make much sense... are you sure your not looking at the PS2?
Just compare the PS3 and the 360, the PS3 is a better console.
The PS3 includes the BR drive, the HD drive is extra for the 360
The PS3 includes a wireless network adaptor, its extra for the 360
The PS3 can have upto 7 controllers, 360 is only 4
The PS3 has 1080p output, the 360 doesnt
The PS3 has Bluetooth intergrated, 360 does not
The PS3 has a larger HDD as standard.
The PS3 has HDMI output
The PS3 has the Sixaxis controler which includes a motion sensor.
So where are the No Frills? it has way more frills than the 360.
And for reference, i just priced up a 360, with HD-DVD drive, and wireless adaptor, 3 games (first 3 on the list 1 is cheap 2 are normal price) and a 20GB HD and it was about £50 less than the PS3 Pack i have ordered, which for a machine, that has 40GB less Diskspace and is a year old atleast is a little crap IMO.
360 Fanboys forget all this detail, and just accuse people of been PS3 fanboys becaue that are correct.
End of the day, i am not a fan boy for either, i just look at the facts. To be honest, they are both different consoles, really the 360 is a year out of date, because of how game developmetn works, we wont see what the PS3 can really manage for atleast a year, just as we are starting to see games like gears of war for the 360, but eventually the PS3 will be able to develop past the 360.
So Slyder, where did your infomation come from, as i would be intrested in comparing it.
Sorry:
The pricing i did wasnt quite correct, so im updating it.
Official XBox 360 Wireless Adaptor @ £54.99 Delivered
Xbox 360 HD-DVD Drive @ £129.99 Delivered
Official XBox 360 Hard Drive (20GB) @ £64.99 Delivered
Xbox 360 Core Console @ £199.99 Delivered
Crackdown (includes invite to Halo 3 Multiplayer Beta Test) @ £39.99 Delivered
Blitz: The League @ £24.99 Delivered
Battlestations: Midway @ £39.99 Delivered
Miami Vice (2006) (HD DVD) @ £17.99 Delivered
Total: £572.92
PS3 including 3 Games and Click on Blu-Ray Click here (http://play.com/Games/PlayStation3/HP/3-/1032615/Sony_Playstation_3_PS3_Console_With_60GB_HDD_3_Gam es_+_FREE_HDMI_cable/Product.html)
Total £524.99
Total Saving buying the PS3 £50ish (£48 and a few pennies)
Kellargh
15-03-2007, 11:12
'Yes we pay more we pay more for eveything'
Umm, you pay more for a PS3, when a 360 is better and cheaper. The PS3 has always been known to be a technical disaster. I personally wouldn't waste my money.
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I'm happy with my Wii and it's backwards compatibility, as well as the retro gaming downloads!! :D
No Frills? that doesnt make much sense... are you sure your not looking at the PS2?
Just compare the PS3 and the 360, the PS3 is a better console.
The PS3 includes the BR drive, the HD drive is extra for the 360
The PS3 includes a wireless network adaptor, its extra for the 360
The PS3 can have upto 7 controllers, 360 is only 4
The PS3 has 1080p output, the 360 doesnt
The PS3 has Bluetooth intergrated, 360 does not
The PS3 has a larger HDD as standard.
The PS3 has HDMI output
The PS3 has the Sixaxis controler which includes a motion sensor.
So where are the No Frills? it has way more frills than the 360.
Well Sony are making you buy an expensive package whether you will use any of the extra features or not.
Microsoft give you a choice. If you don't have a wireless network you don't need to pay for the adaptor, same goes for the HD DVD. Why pay for things you aren't going to use or don't need.
Also the 360 does output in 1080p it was added at the last update.
Sixaxis controller is just a poor rip off of the Wii controller which does motion control a lot better.
Why have bluetooth on the 360 that uses an other form of wireless connection?
360 is cheaper as it gives you a choice of what you want to use the console for. It might have been out a year but that doesn't make it old or not as good. In fact most of the games/graphics are amazing especially in HD.
Also if the PS3 BC is now software based then surely they should be lowering the price of the console, as it will be cheaper to make???
Well Sony are making you buy an expensive package whether you will use any of the extra features or not.
Microsoft give you a choice. If you don't have a wireless network you don't need to pay for the adaptor, same goes for the HD DVD. Why pay for things you aren't going to use or don't need.
Also the 360 does output in 1080p it was added at the last update.
Sixaxis controller is just a poor rip off of the Wii controller which does motion control a lot better.
Why have bluetooth on the 360 that uses an other form of wireless connection?
360 is cheaper as it gives you a choice of what you want to use the console for. It might have been out a year but that doesn't make it old or not as good. In fact most of the games/graphics are amazing especially in HD.
Also if the PS3 BC is now software based then surely they should be lowering the price of the console, as it will be cheaper to make???
But most 360 fans claim its cheaper, but to compare a price you have to compare like for like, which is the point im trying to make, like for like there about the same price. And as i am going to be using all the features, its a null issue for me.
Sorry about the 1080p, havent tried it since the last update, but again, its taken the 360 a year to get it, but its already in the PS3, so it does show the PS3 is not out of date, or No frills as some say.
As i said, like for like at the moment, to get the same features from both consoles, the PS3 is slightly cheaper on play.com considering the 360 is a year old, it should be cheaper by now should it not?
As for lowering the price, they are still selling at a loss, so no real issue there, where as the 360 make a small profit on the consoles.
The PS3 has 1080p output, the 360 doesnt
Yes it does...
I cba quoting any more then that.. lol..
As for Blu-Ray being inferior and old technology, well there not my words mate...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBOfvw8mfr0
You dont need HMDI for true high def.. thats just bull to be fair... even test results which can be found all over the net back that up.
1. Even with the additional cost of the BR drive, the 360 is still cheaper then PS3
2.Same as above really as long as you shop around
3. Not sure what games your hoping for that will let 7 of you play but I seriously doubt you will see many.... (if any at all)
4. The 360 can do 1080p.. so not sure where you got that from
5. PS3 has bluetooth, 360 has Wifi... I think you will find Wifi has more of a range
6. Tell that to the poor yanks, they have to pay for there bigger hdd, thats ment to be "standard"
7. You dont need hmdi for high def - thats just a marketing ploy to increase cost to the end consumer.
8. PS3 can keep the sixaxis motion sensor controller - pity they had to copy Nintendo thou... I read they soon caved in and paid to get vibration in the controllers for the uk launch. If thats true or not, I would still prefer force feedback.
Yes it does...
I cba quoting any more then that.. lol..
As for Blu-Ray being inferior and old technology, well there not my words mate...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBOfvw8mfr0
Ok, well at least you heard it from somewhere, there needs to be some corrections to that, first you have to remember that its a MS employee thats saying the Blu-Ray is using MPEG2 compression, which is the part he is claiming to be old technollagy, however this is not true, Blu-Ray can Support MPEG2, VC1 and H264 just as HD-DVD does. So the his point on old technollagy is in accurate and its basically marketing to make HD-DVD sound better than it actually is.
The main difference between the 2 is the storage size, from a codec point of view which was his argument, there is no difference at this time.
You dont need HMDI for true high def.. thats just bull to be fair... even test results which can be found all over the net back that up.
Never said that you did, however it is needed for HDCP, which clearly the xbox360 doesnt support. Which means inside europe, xbox360 is not HD-Ready as it does not support HDCP.
1. Even with the additional cost of the BR drive, the 360 is still cheaper then PS3
2.Same as above really as long as you shop around
Quoting up on Play.com, it comes out about the same price, i showed that at the end of my previous post.
3. Not sure what games your hoping for that will let 7 of you play but I seriously doubt you will see many.... (if any at all)
No, but it is a frill on a console you said was no-frills
4. The 360 can do 1080p.. so not sure where you got that from
It was only added in a recent update, and i haven't tried 1080p since before that update, its probably something i will try tonight now theres a change.
5. PS3 has bluetooth, 360 has Wifi... I think you will find Wifi has more of a range
PS3 has Wifi too, but considering i can use my bluetooth headset at the end of the garden where the screen looks about 1'' i dont think its going to be an issue on the range Point of View
6. Tell that to the poor yanks, they have to pay for there bigger hdd, thats ment to be "standard"
They had a choice, im comparing it in the uk, because its all i can compare it against.
7. You dont need hmdi for high def - thats just a marketing ploy to increase cost to the end consumer.
See above, it is needed to be HD-Ready and HDCP complient.
8. PS3 can keep the sixaxis motion sensor controller - pity they had to copy Nintendo thou... I read they soon caved in and paid to get vibration in the controllers for the uk launch. If thats true or not, I would still prefer force feedback.
The sixaxis controler isnt really a copy from the Wii, the Wii has built the whole system around it, with the PS3 its just a feature.
Still it leaves the point of what Frills are not included?
You are clearly a 360 fan, that has had minimum infomation on the PS3, and really all the MS wanted you to hear, rather than the truth. As i have said, i know what the 360 has, and at the moment it is the better console, but considering the PS3 isnt even launched in the UK, its hard for the PS3 to be any compotition. I would like to see the 360 compared at launch to the PS3 at launch, including Cost, Games avaliable, Specs, Software features, as i think you will be shocked.
Specs wise the PS3 is a better console, we do have to said and see what happens software wise.
If there is something that you think i have missed, feel free to pull me up, as im using the latest infomation i have,
I am certainly not a 360 fan as such, yes I own one and have no intention of buying a PS3 until it gets a lot cheaper. However I am a massive console gamer and have owned every games system relelased since the SNES. I get my knowledge from a lot of different sources, and worked in the games industry for 4 yrs so know my stuff.
Its just with all the stuff Sony said about the PS3 that has turned out to be slightly untrue and all the things I have heard, its clear they have made a lot of mistakes with their new system.
Getting back on topic, as i postewd last night, only one game out of the top 12 works because it hasnt had its software update yet, thats why none of them would work.
TheBlueRaja
15-03-2007, 17:52
Sorry:
The pricing i did wasnt quite correct, so im updating it.
Official XBox 360 Wireless Adaptor @ £54.99 Delivered
Xbox 360 HD-DVD Drive @ £129.99 Delivered
Official XBox 360 Hard Drive (20GB) @ £64.99 Delivered
Xbox 360 Core Console @ £199.99 Delivered
Crackdown (includes invite to Halo 3 Multiplayer Beta Test) @ £39.99 Delivered
Blitz: The League @ £24.99 Delivered
Battlestations: Midway @ £39.99 Delivered
Miami Vice (2006) (HD DVD) @ £17.99 Delivered
Total: £572.92
PS3 including 3 Games and Click on Blu-Ray Click here (http://play.com/Games/PlayStation3/HP/3-/1032615/Sony_Playstation_3_PS3_Console_With_60GB_HDD_3_Gam es_+_FREE_HDMI_cable/Product.html)
Total £524.99
Total Saving buying the PS3 £50ish (£48 and a few pennies)
Your points a joke, i love how your trying to justify spending half a grand.
People want a games console, not a Hi-Def player - i have the choice and you dont NEED wireless so the 289 quid option for an Xbox 360 Premium will do fine for most.
So to say your "saving" by buying a PS3 is frankly stupid.
I think it says it all that the biggest selling point of the PS3 has become the one thing most people couldn't give a rats ass about.
I think in a year the PS3 might be worth it - but now - with no games of note and a huge price tag - Nah.
Enjoy Click..
STONEISLAND
15-03-2007, 19:25
Me neither, TV is setup, Cable is ready, Controlers/Console and extra games on preorder (all to be delivered on the 23rd).
The missus is going out for the night, and the lads will be round at 6 with beer and food.
Going to be a hell of a night, although it does need a few months to get the games out that are going to give the 360 a run for its money.
And of course, Casino Royal on Blu-Ray will show the 360 how its done.
Just hope my 360 and the wii doesnt feel left out.
Mate let us know your tag.
Great posts. Nice to have someone say somthing positive here about the PS3 for a change.
Enjoy!!!
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PS3 including 3 Games and Click on Blu-Ray Click here (http://play.com/Games/PlayStation3/HP/3-/1032615/Sony_Playstation_3_PS3_Console_With_60GB_HDD_3_Gam es_+_FREE_HDMI_cable/Product.html)
Total £524.99
Total Saving buying the PS3 £50ish (£48 and a few pennies)
Mines with Play too. Whats the chances of getting it Friday?
I will be gutted if i don't get it on launch.
You are clearly a 360 fan, that has had minimum infomation on the PS3, and really all the MS wanted you to hear, rather than the truth. As i have said, i know what the 360 has, and at the moment it is the better console, but considering the PS3 isnt even launched in the UK, its hard for the PS3 to be any compotition.
And your clearly a PS3 fan. The 360 is a true high def console and the HDCP issue is just its version of copy protection thus not a requirement to view high definition content. :confused:
If were out to make the worlds longest argument, Ill just let you win it.. lol, fact still remains the PS3 for the UK launch has been overpriced, under powered and will struggle to compare to the 360. Resistance has already been slated as "poor mans gears of war", Sony have tried to pass of screenshots of GT4 using HiDef images of 360's PGR3 and to be honest they have kept consumers waiting so long its no surprise the end result is more gamers are buying the 360. Sony already failed with ATRAC and its only a matter of time before BluRay dies a death for the sheer price of dated technology. :confused:
And your clearly a PS3 fan. The 360 is a true high def console and the HDCP issue is just its version of copy protection thus not a requirement to view high definition content. :confused:
Yes, you are correct, you can view HD content without HDCP, however inside euope to be a HDReady decive, it must support HDCP. As for been a PS3 fan, i actually own both (or will on friday). I love my xbox, im just tired of people saying the PS3 is crap without all the infomation, all i am trying to do is put accross all the infomation, which is why i asked you for your source about blu-ray been out of date, as i was sure it was incorrect, but wanted to make sure, as it turns out i was correct.
If were out to make the worlds longest argument, Ill just let you win it.. lol, fact still remains the PS3 for the UK launch has been overpriced, under powered and will struggle to compare to the 360. Resistance has already been slated as "poor mans gears of war", Sony have tried to pass of screenshots of GT4 using HiDef images of 360's PGR3 and to be honest they have kept consumers waiting so long its no surprise the end result is more gamers are buying the 360. Sony already failed with ATRAC and its only a matter of time before BluRay dies a death for the sheer price of dated technology. :confused:
See your still calling Blu-Ray dated technollagy, when its not, Blu-Ray discs support the VC1 codec, which is the next gen codec, as i tried to explain before. The place you got your infomation from said that it only supports MPEG2, which is incorrect (notice how its a guy from Microsoft giving the infomation).
Yes there has been a long wait, to be honest, if they had of changed their launch date again, i would of cancled my pre-order and payed the extra money to go with a HD-DVD player rather than Blu-Ray.
End of the day, all i have put accross is facts, which from everyone that has attacked the PS3 is little more than they can do.
You like your No-Frills Xbox360, so stay out of the PS3, unless you want to bring facts with you.
And your clearly a PS3 fan. The 360 is a true high def console and the HDCP issue is just its version of copy protection thus not a requirement to view high definition content. :confused:
If were out to make the worlds longest argument, Ill just let you win it.. lol, fact still remains the PS3 for the UK launch has been overpriced, under powered and will struggle to compare to the 360. Resistance has already been slated as "poor mans gears of war", Sony have tried to pass of screenshots of GT4 using HiDef images of 360's PGR3 and to be honest they have kept consumers waiting so long its no surprise the end result is more gamers are buying the 360. Sony already failed with ATRAC and its only a matter of time before BluRay dies a death for the sheer price of dated technology. :confused:
So the fact that the PS3 is on target to reach the sales or near the sales were the 360 is at now in the same timeframe means nothing? The fact that Blu-ray is beating HD-DVD for the 2nd month running means nothing? The fact that Motorstorm, F1 and GTHD are equal graphics wise to Gears of war means nothing? The fact that the European launch of the PS3 is one of the best games console launches ever means nothing? Dated Technolgy ( Blu-ray ) last i heard it was superior to HD-DVD. You sure it was not just a mistake about using PGR3 screenshot or you just jumping on the bandwagon?
They both have advatages and disadvantages, but to call it this early in the life of the next gen consoles is purely stupid.
Oh and under powered? How you figure that one out. If your talking about backwards compatibility, i wouldnt really call it under powered that they are taking the PS2 processor out of the PS3 and using software instead. With most PS1 games and over 1200 PS2 for the launch of the European PS3 with more to be added, its not really underpowered, just changed the way it uses it.
Your points a joke, i love how your trying to justify spending half a grand.
People want a games console, not a Hi-Def player - i have the choice and you dont NEED wireless so the 289 quid option for an Xbox 360 Premium will do fine for most.
So to say your "saving" by buying a PS3 is frankly stupid.
I think it says it all that the biggest selling point of the PS3 has become the one thing most people couldn't give a rats ass about.
I think in a year the PS3 might be worth it - but now - with no games of note and a huge price tag - Nah.
Enjoy Click..
Not trying to justify anything, i was point out a fact that the PS3 isnt as expecive as you make out. If i wanted to justify it, i would just do what the fan boys do, and just say its better. Rather than backing it up with hard facts. (which i havent seen anyone challenge).
I have seen that there may be packages to get everything for the 360 cheaper, however i have also seen that the 360 launch price was higher, so its pretty reasonable to compare them.
Would you compare a a DVD player to a DVD recorder?
Would you compare a basic model car to a sports edition?
No, you have to compare products like for like. To get the same Quality (infact less as its a 20GB HDD compared to a 60GB HDD) and same features, at the moment, it costs more to go the 360 route, and thats for a console that is now a year old.
I love my xbox, im just tired of people saying the PS3 is crap without all the infomation, all i am trying to do is put accross all the infomation, which is why i asked you for your source about blu-ray been out of date, as i was sure it was incorrect, but wanted to make sure, as it turns out i was correct.
Well I like gathering information from people in the industry and then making an informed choice. Not being told stuff from members of forums who like to think they "know the information"
Fact is for the price of a ps3, you can buy a Wii and 360 (as i have both myself) Personal opinion.. its overpriced, and I have every intention of buying one being an avid MGS and FF fan but only when the price drops to a more reasonable and sensible price point. Not sure what makes a 360 fanboy in your eyes thou if your accusing me of being one. Just because I favour 1 console is not fanboyism, more down to technical limitations of the PS3.
Ill leave this thread now and leave you to post your closing comment as Im sure you would like to have the last say.
Tezcatlipoca
15-03-2007, 21:58
Yes, you are correct, you can view HD content without HDCP, however inside euope to be a HDReady decive, it must support HDCP.
But... who cares? :confused:
It still does 720p, 1080i, & 1080p, & still gives an amazing HD picture over component or VGA.
HDMI & HDCP are just an excuse to shove more DRM down our throats.
HDCP is currently completely & utterly pointless for the 360.
The *only* reason the 360 would ever need HDCP would be if/when the movie studios etc. actually started enforcing the ICT...which they won't be doing for a few years yet (there's an unofficial moratorium, a "gentleman's agreement") as they know full well that it would drive people away rather than attract them, & a great deal of HDTVs in the US are not HDCP compliant.
By the time HD DVDs start having the ICT enabled, the 360 will be getting pretty old anyway, & standalone players will be much cheaper.
Well i couldnt let you leave the thread without point out, that you made an imformed choice from a biased source.... Maybe i should ask RedHat which the best OS is?
Not sure how you can keep claiming that on the price, Like for like i have shown you, from an external source (play.com) that the playstation is currently cheaper (Like for like) thats not saying that you couldnt get less games, accessories and get both, but Like for like the PS3 is cheaper.
As ive said, im not about trying to win an argument, If you want to discuss it fine, but just because the infomation you have is inaccurate, doesnt mean that other forum members shouldnt be allowed to get the truth..
Lets face it, you tried to compare the PS3 to the same quality of the Wiil, i mean come 'on.
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But... who cares? :confused:
Dont know, no body really, but the fact remains, Legally the 360 is not a HD-Ready Console, and it means that when HDCP is enforced, it will not be usuable as a HD-DVD player, which still means it is a feature that the PS3 has and the 360 doesn't, and this point came from the PS3 been called a no-frills console.
Dont know, no body really, but the fact remains, Legally the 360 is not a HD-Ready Console, and it means that when HDCP is enforced, it will not be usuable as a HD-DVD player, which still means it is a feature that the PS3 has and the 360 doesn't, and this point came from the PS3 been called a no-frills console.
Out of curiosity, does anyone actually buy a console because of it's DVD capability? As I said earlier, that's why I have a DVD recorder. That way, I can record something whilst playing my 360 :shrug:
Out of curiosity, does anyone actually buy a console because of it's DVD capability? As I said earlier, that's why I have a DVD recorder. That way, I can record something whilst playing my 360 :shrug:
I am doing, ive ordered the HDDVD drive and the PS3, partly to make sure i can play all disks, But as i keep saying, it doesn't matter if you do or not, its still a feature, and with many pointing at the PS3 and saying its crap, someone needs to point out that in fact, its not!
Out of curiosity, does anyone actually buy a console because of it's DVD capability? As I said earlier, that's why I have a DVD recorder. That way, I can record something whilst playing my 360 :shrug:
Well with Blu-ray players being £600 - £800 and the PS3 for £425 with what is said to be the same/better quality as the £800 machine then i would say a quite a few people.
I am doing, ive ordered the HDDVD drive and the PS3, partly to make sure i can play all disks, But as i keep saying, it doesn't matter if you do or not, its still a feature, and with many pointing at the PS3 and saying its crap, someone needs to point out that in fact, its not!
Each to their own, I'spose :) Like I said, I'm not changing any of my DVDs until the industry decides to go with either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, so I'm sticking with my 360 as a console for the time being. If the price comes down (a lot!), and the games are up to it, I may buy a PS3 i a year or so :)
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Well with Blu-ray players being £600 - £800 and the PS3 for £425 with what is said to be the same/better quality as the £800 machine then i would say a quite a few people.
But why would you buy a Blu-Ray specific machine when Blu-Ray may not be the way forward?
Each to their own, I'spose :) Like I said, I'm not changing any of my DVDs until the industry decides to go with either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, so I'm sticking with my 360 as a console for the time being. If the price comes down (a lot!), and the games are up to it, I may buy a PS3 i a year or so :)
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But why would you buy a Blu-Ray specific machine when Blu-Ray may not be the way forward?
First of all you wouldnt have to replace all your DVD's you would just keep them and then start buying HD-DVD or Blu-ray discs.
Secondly if everyone thought like you then we would still be watching black and white 10" screens. A tad extreme there maybe but you get the point, people have to be the first adopters or nothing would advance.
First of all you wouldnt have to replace all your DVD's you would just keep them and then start buying HD-DVD or Blu-ray discs.
Secondly if everyone thought like you then we would still be watching black and white 10" screens. A tad extreme there maybe but you get the point, people have to be the first adopters or nothing would advance.
Yup, and look at all those people who bought Betamax - technically superior machine, but beaten by VHS ;)
tbh, I don't get your point - I'm not advocating buying nothing; you can buy whatever you want for me :) . What I'm saying is that, seeing as both systems are being developed at the same time, I'm quite happy to wait to see which one 'wins out' :)
Yup, and look at all those people who bought Betamax - technically superior machine, but beaten by VHS ;)
tbh, I don't get your point - I'm not advocating buying nothing; you can buy whatever you want for me :) . What I'm saying is that, seeing as both systems are being developed at the same time, I'm quite happy to wait to see which one 'wins out' :)
But some people are willing to spend the money, like you said look at Betamax v VHS. This is just the same war really. Your always going to get people being the early adopters of things, if you never then things would not advance or not as quick.
Tezcatlipoca
15-03-2007, 22:33
Dont know, no body really, but the fact remains, Legally the 360 is not a HD-Ready Console, and it means that when HDCP is enforced, it will not be usuable as a HD-DVD player, which still means it is a feature that the PS3 has and the 360 doesn't, and this point came from the PS3 been called a no-frills console.
... but only if/when HDCP is enforced (be a few years yet at least apparently), & only then for specific HD DVDs which have the ICT flag enabled, & only if MS are stupid enough to not have already thought of this potential future problem [already been rumours of an inbuilt-HDMI/HDCP enabled 360 later this year, plus MS have previously said they'd release an HDMI cable "when the demand was there"]. Plus, only a potential future problem for those who do buy the HD DVD drive... HDCP won't affect games or anything else.
But, yes, it is something the PS3 has & the 360 hasn't (I don't myself consider the PS3 no-frills... just too expensive at the moment with too few decent exclusive games...I'll wait a while yet).
But some people are willing to spend the money, like you said look at Betamax v VHS. This is just the same war really. Your always going to get people being the early adopters of things, if you never then things would not advance or not as quick.
But, bearing in mind the fact that most people have only just got around to getting rid of all of their videos in the last couple of years, what's the point of forking out again so soon? Surely it makes more sense to wait and find out which way the industry goes?
It's not 'early adoption' - I'd argue that to change now would be more a case of under-informed, bad economic judgement :shrug:
But, bearing in mind the fact that most people have only just got around to getting rid of all of their videos in the last couple of years, what's the point of forking out again so soon? Surely it makes more sense to wait and find out which way the industry goes?
It's not 'early adoption' - I'd argue that to change now would be more a case of under-informed, bad economic judgement :shrug:
But thats life, its always been like this. Why by that PC when in 2 year it will be out of date. Early adopters are the ones buying them its always the same and always will be and they are doing it so they can watch HI Def movies. Its just life and it helps if only a little to decide the winner.
But thats life, its always been like this. Why by that PC when in 2 year it will be out of date. Early adopters are the ones buying them its always the same and always will be and they are doing it so they can watch HI Def movies. Its just life and it helps if only a little to decide the winner.
But to use the video example again, Betamax should have been the winner, but wasn't. Anyway, PCs are a bad example, seeing as you can upgrade them yourself ;)
To use your example, 'early adopters' (hateful phrase, by the way) will always be caught out if industry shifts the other way, meaning that not only do they have useless technology, but that they also can't afford to buy the replacements. As I said, bad economic judgement :shrug:
Kellargh
15-03-2007, 23:07
Nobody slags off the Wii!!! Whoever thinks of saying 'oh, don't compare the quality of a PS3 to a Wii' and laughs is a fool.
People have already seen that the biggest selling factor is actually ENJOYMENT. Arguing over features is absolutely ridiculous.
So let's actually see who makes the biggest profit, because at the moment, it isn't either the 360 or PS3.
Suck my butt!!!
But to use the video example again, Betamax should have been the winner, but wasn't. Anyway, PCs are a bad example, seeing as you can upgrade them yourself ;)
To use your example, 'early adopters' (hateful phrase, by the way) will always be caught out if industry shifts the other way, meaning that not only do they have useless technology, but that they also can't afford to buy the replacements. As I said, bad economic judgement :shrug:
But it still happens, your asking why and im telling you then your arguing against it, but its still happening and always has.it happened with Betamax and VHS and it is happening now.
But it still happens, your asking why and im telling you then your arguing against it, but its still happening and always has.it happened with Betamax and VHS and it is happening now.
I'm not arguing about anything - I've made it perfectly plain that I won't be upgrading any time soon :)
All I want to know is why people would do it when a) there's the potential to choose the wrong one, and b) it's only 30ish years since it happened with Betamax / VHS, so is relatively fresh as an example - I don't particularly care if you (or anyone else) gets the PS3 for its DVD capability or not, but I was just curious :shrug:
If you want to have an argument, you might want to find someone who cares enough to do so :)
I'm not arguing about anything - I've made it perfectly plain that I won't be upgrading any time soon :)
All I want to know is why people would do it when a) there's the potential to choose the wrong one, and b) it's only 30ish years since it happened with Betamax / VHS, so is relatively fresh as an example - I don't particularly care if you (or anyone else) gets the PS3 for its DVD capability or not, but I was just curious :shrug:
If you want to have an argument, you might want to find someone who cares enough to do so :)
Im not having an arguement, ive already told you why and then you argued the point with me.
Im not having an arguement, ive already told you why and then you argued the point with me.
And then my dad was bigger than yours :)
Whatever matey - each to their own...
what are we 'arguing' over here exactly? whether someone has £400+ to burn on a ps3, or £800-odd on a blu-ray (?) thingy :confused: - I don't see the point in either (or a 360 come to that) tbh - though if people have that kind of money to throw around then I look forward to picking up the bargins of the games and dvds they abandon in their need to upgrade. :p:
abandon??
whats this abandon?
I still have Casettets, VHS, even got an atari with a crap load of games.
Just because you upgrade, doesnt mean you have to abndon :P
Wasnt really arguing, but i was trying to put accross the truth over the crap that was been posted.
Saaf_laandon_mo
16-03-2007, 08:56
the only way to resolve this argument is to get Harry Hill to set up a FIIIIIGGGGGGGGHHHHHHTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
the only way to resolve this argument is to get Harry Hill to set up a FIIIIIGGGGGGGGHHHHHHTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
:bsmack:
:D
And then my dad was bigger than yours :)
Whatever matey - each to their own...
See what i mean? You asked, i answered then you argue then play the im not bothered card.
hi is the ps3 going to be wirless like the psp u can go on the net with it if u have a wirless box will be able 2 do that with the ps3
See what i mean? You asked, i answered then you argue then play the im not bothered card.
Fair enough. I'm still not going to argue with you though :)
Have a nice day
Fair enough. I'm still not going to argue with you though :)
Have a nice day
Its to late you already did. Thats what we are talking about now. I dont understand what your trying to do now? What are you not going to argue about? I dont get it. Earlier in the thread you asked the question and i answered it then you argued and couldnt understand why it happened. So what you not willing to argue about now?
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hi is the ps3 going to be wirless like the psp u can go on the net with it if u have a wirless box will be able 2 do that with the ps3
The 60GB version will be.
Its to late you already did. Thats what we are talking about now. I dont understand what your trying to do now? What are you not going to argue about? I dont get it. Earlier in the thread you asked the question and i answered it then you argued and couldnt understand why it happened. So what you not willing to argue about now?
Okay, for the last time:
1) I'm not arguing. I've said on a number of occasions that I'm not bothered enough to argue, because I'm not going to buy a PS3 anyway. I was just curious.
2) If you'd actually read my posts instead of looking for an argument that isn't there, it may have occurred to you that you probably haven't answered my question - that's why I keep asking it. If you (or anyone else, for that matter) actually answered it to a satisfactory level, then I wouldn't have to keep asking it.
3) We established a while ago that you either don't like what I say on here, or just want to start an argument (I seem to remember that you did much the same thing in Zephs 'Motorway' thread). As I said, if you want an argument, find some other mug to have it with - I'm too old, too intelligent and, frankly, too bored to have one with you. It takes two to have an argument, but I'm not going to be one of them .
Have a nice day :)
Okay, for the last time:
1) I'm not arguing. I've said on a number of occasions that I'm not bothered enough to argue, because I'm not going to buy a PS3 anyway. I was just curious.
2) If you'd actually read my posts instead of looking for an argument that isn't there, it may have occurred to you that you probably haven't answered my question - that's why I keep asking it. If you (or anyone else, for that matter) actually answered it to a satisfactory level, then I wouldn't have to keep asking it.
3) We established a while ago that you either don't like what I say on here, or just want to start an argument (I seem to remember that you did much the same thing in Zephs 'Motorway' thread). As I said, if you want an argument, find some other mug to have it with - I'm too old, too intelligent and, frankly, too bored to have one with you. It takes two to have an argument, but I'm not going to be one of them .
Have a nice day :)
First of all you asked this -
"Out of curiosity, does anyone actually buy a console because of it's DVD capability? As I said earlier, that's why I have a DVD recorder. That way, I can record something whilst playing my 360"
You got these answers -
From awibble -
"I am doing, ive ordered the HDDVD drive and the PS3, partly to make sure i can play all disks, But as i keep saying, it doesn't matter if you do or not, its still a feature, and with many pointing at the PS3 and saying its crap, someone needs to point out that in fact, its not!"
From me -
"Well with Blu-ray players being £600 - £800 and the PS3 for £425 with what is said to be the same/better quality as the £800 machine then i would say a quite a few people."
You then asked -
"But why would you buy a Blu-Ray specific machine when Blu-Ray may not be the way forward?"
I replyed with this -
Secondly if everyone thought like you then we would still be watching black and white 10" screens. A tad extreme there maybe but you get the point, people have to be the first adopters or nothing would advance.
You then said -
"Yup, and look at all those people who bought Betamax - technically superior machine, but beaten by VHS ;)
tbh, I don't get your point - I'm not advocating buying nothing; you can buy whatever you want for me :) . What I'm saying is that, seeing as both systems are being developed at the same time, I'm quite happy to wait to see which one 'wins out' :)"
So I replyed with -
But some people are willing to spend the money, like you said look at Betamax v VHS. This is just the same war really. Your always going to get people being the early adopters of things, if you never then things would not advance or not as quick.
You replyed -
"But, bearing in mind the fact that most people have only just got around to getting rid of all of their videos in the last couple of years, what's the point of forking out again so soon? Surely it makes more sense to wait and find out which way the industry goes?
It's not 'early adoption' - I'd argue that to change now would be more a case of under-informed, bad economic judgement"
I replyed with -
But thats life, its always been like this. Why by that PC when in 2 year it will be out of date. Early adopters are the ones buying them its always the same and always will be and they are doing it so they can watch HI Def movies. Its just life and it helps if only a little to decide the winner.
You said -
"But to use the video example again, Betamax should have been the winner, but wasn't. Anyway, PCs are a bad example, seeing as you can upgrade them yourself ;)
To use your example, 'early adopters' (hateful phrase, by the way) will always be caught out if industry shifts the other way, meaning that not only do they have useless technology, but that they also can't afford to buy the replacements. As I said, bad economic judgement :shrug:"
I replyed with -
But it still happens, your asking why and im telling you then your arguing against it, but its still happening and always has.it happened with Betamax and VHS and it is happening now.
You said -
"I'm not arguing about anything - I've made it perfectly plain that I won't be upgrading any time soon :)
All I want to know is why people would do it when a) there's the potential to choose the wrong one, and b) it's only 30ish years since it happened with Betamax / VHS, so is relatively fresh as an example - I don't particularly care if you (or anyone else) gets the PS3 for its DVD capability or not, but I was just curious :shrug:
If you want to have an argument, you might want to find someone who cares enough to do so :)"
Ect ect.
1) I told you why. Im not getting a PS3 on launch either, but thats not got anything to do with it.
2) I have answered your question fully, which was "Out of curiosity, does anyone actually buy a console because of it's DVD capability?" and "But why would you buy a Blu-Ray specific machine when Blu-Ray may not be the way forward?" The answer is, a) yes, they do, b) because they have the money to do it, c) because they want to watch Hi Def movies, d) thats life and the way techonolgy gets better, due to early adopters of it, bugs can be ironed out and after they have got the early adopters out of the way they can bring the price down, e) due to the early adopters, the name of Blu-ray or HD DVD is out there and how good or bad or how many films are available.
3) Im not having an arguement with you, you asked and I told. You didnt agree for some strange reason, even though it is happening and has happened for years.
You then played the im not bothered card and start putting me down ect ect. Now without playing the mod game, ive already been warned before about taking threads off topic and when i argued agaisnt it got banned. Lets get this topic back on topic like i tryed to do on page 2.
<snip>
But hasn't it occurred to you that, if I keep asking it, it's because you haven't actually answered the question?
Anyway, I think you were probably banned for picking fights that weren't there...
Have a nice day :)
But hasn't it occurred to you that, if I keep asking it, it's because you haven't actually answered the question?
Anyway, I think you were probably banned for picking fights that weren't there...
Have a nice day :)
Just like you are now, hmmmmm? I never said i was banned for going off topic, i was banned for arguing in the forum about a mod telling me not to go off topic, which i never did, and even if i did he has not warned anyone else in the same thread for talking about the same thing i was. Maybe you shouldnt comment on something you dont know about?
Your question has been answered. If you dont like it then fine, but the answer is there and it is the right answer, if you feel its the wrong one maybe you could comment on why? and comment on what you think the answer is.
Just like you are now, hmmmmm? I never said i was banned for going off topic, i was banned for arguing in the forum about a mod telling me not to go off topic, which i never did, and even if i did he has not warned anyone else in the same thread for talking about the same thing i was. Maybe you shouldnt comment on something you dont know about?
Your question has been answered. If you dont like it then fine, but the answer is there and it is the right answer, if you feel its the wrong one maybe you could comment on why? and comment on what you think the answer is.
FFS - if I knew what the answer was, I wouldn't have asked the question, would I? And for the record (and as I said before), in my opinion, you haven't answered my question satisfactorily - if you had, I wouldn't keep asking the question...
Anyway, please accept my congratulations - you've won first prize in the 'How to spout rubbish at someone who doesn't care' award. The prize is extremely rare, and is addition to my ignore list because you're just boring me now.
Have a nice day :)
FFS - if I knew what the answer was, I wouldn't have asked the question, would I? And for the record (and as I said before), in my opinion, you haven't answered my question satisfactorily - if you had, I wouldn't keep asking the question...
Anyway, please accept my congratulations - you've won first prize in the 'How to spout rubbish at someone who doesn't care' award. The prize is extremely rare, and is addition to my ignore list because you're just boring me now.
Have a nice day :)
1) you obviously do care as you asked the question in the first place.
2) If you dont know what the answer is, how on Earth do you figure i have not answered it satisfactorily if you dont have a clue what the answer is. Ive told you what the answer is, if you dont like that answer fine, you will never find out the answer to the question you asked as you fail to to see what the answer is after me reapetedly telling you.
3) Oh im flattered at how so childish someone of the age of 31 acts.
TheBlueRaja
17-03-2007, 15:48
Its amazing how excited people are getting over the PS3 isn't it!
Its amazing how excited people are getting over the PS3 isn't it!
Not really, its a new product, the same happens with the Wii, 360 or the new release of the BMW M3.
TheBlueRaja
17-03-2007, 16:18
Not really, its a new product, the same happens with the Wii, 360 or the new release of the BMW M3.
What do you mean? People wanted those...
What do you mean? People wanted those...
Yes and people want the PS3. Or are you trying to act clever by using that comment.
What do you mean? People wanted those...
And there was a waiting list for them.
Unless of course Sony have managed to produce so many PS3's that you can pre-order them just about anywhere.
And there was a waiting list for them.
Unless of course Sony have managed to produce so many PS3's that you can pre-order them just about anywhere.
You could swing that around and say there was only a waiting list for the 360 because they released less consoles worldwide than what the PS3 did to just America and Japan in the first few months?
STONEISLAND
17-03-2007, 16:43
This thread is doing my head in.
:tiptoe:
Yes, someone in here is like a broken record just like in the last thread.
STONEISLAND
17-03-2007, 17:02
Yes, someone in here is like a broken record just like in the last thread.
I disagree.
Its slag off PS3 all over again instead of the subject matter.
Yes, someone in here is like a broken record just like in the last thread.
Or we could just get back on topic like ive stated about 3 times now. Which if we did we would realise that what originally was posted is incorrect.
We'll see on the 23rd (if anyone is daft enough to actually buy one of them)
Personally I wouldn't hold my breath for any major updates.
LostintheNW
17-03-2007, 17:09
I disagree.
Its slag off PS3 all over again instead of the subject matter.
like you do with the 360? as you can't even talk about that console without slagging it off yourself.
Whenever BC has been mentioned in a topic you have gone off on one and started having a go at people.
We'll see on the 23rd (if anyone is daft enough to actually buy one of them)
Personally I wouldn't hold my breath for any major updates.
Why do you feel the need to call people daft if they are buying a PS3?
Surely as a mod, you should know different.
And what do you mean about any major updates?
TheBlueRaja
17-03-2007, 17:16
Yes and people want the PS3. Or are you trying to act clever by using that comment.
Hell i want(ed) a PS3 but i don't want to pay 425 quid, i dont want a Blu-Ray player, i do want a good selection of games and as such i will not be buying one until there selling at a SIGNIFICANTLY lower price and IF they get some good games on it.
Right now the PS3 is NOT worth the money as there is NOTHING worth playing on it - that's a fact - its the price it is due to added functionality i don't want or need.
Add to that we are being charged more for an inferior console and Sony can swing im afraid.
I'm here to tell anyone who will listen that if they have the cash for a PS3 WAIT, get a Wii for now and play some good games then when the price comes down and the games come out get a PS3 then.
2 for the price of one..
Hell i want(ed) a PS3 but i don't want to pay 425 quid, i dont want a Blu-Ray player, i do want a good selection of games and as such i will not be buying one until there selling at a SIGNIFICANTLY lower price and IF they get some good games on it.
Right now the PS3 is NOT worth the money as there is NOTHING worth playing on it - that's a fact - its the price it is due to added functionality i don't want or need.
Add to that we are being charged more for an inferior console and Sony can swing im afraid.
I'm here to tell anyone who will listen that if they have the cash for a PS3 WAIT, get a Wii for now and play some good games then when the price comes down and the games come out get a PS3 then.
2 for the price of one..
But we knew the price was going to be high when they announced the Blu-ray was going to be in it in 2005, we actually know the price from march 2006. I dont think you do want one the way you have jumped on it especially even before it was launched.
Its not worth the money to you, thats your opinion, who are you tel tell someone that its not worth the money they are going to spend on it.
Nothing worth playing on it is not a fact. There is some good games for the European release. Many of the estimated 2 million people would disagree with you, make that 2.5 - 3 million at the beginging of April.
But be honest, they are only taking the Emotion Engine out and replacing it with software backwards compatibility, which play nearly all PS1 games and said to play 1200 PS2 games from launch. With more to be added. The same thing is happening to America and Japan in April. This is what they wanted to do from the begining but failed to have it ready on time. Plus to be honest its not that hard just to keep the PS2 if you really feel the need to play your old PS2 games.
They might not want to wait, they might want to play Blu-ray movies, or play some games that they have been waiting for. They have no reason to wait if they have the money to spend.
TheBlueRaja
17-03-2007, 17:29
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2007/03/24.jpg
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2007/03/24.jpg
Another person resorting to silly tactics.
But the point of having BC is that you don't need to keep the old console.
Shawty you really do sound like you should or do work for Sony sometimes.
But be honest, they are only taking the Emotion Engine out and replacing it with software backwards compatibility, which play nearly all PS1 games and said to play 1200 PS2 games from launch. With more to be added. The same thing is happening to America and Japan in April. This is what they wanted to do from the begining but failed to have it ready on time. Plus to be honest its not that hard just to keep the PS2 if you really feel the need to play your old PS2 games.
But we would still have to pay the same amount? Bah.
Sony have, as usual, treated the european market with utter contempt and disrespect. They think the name 'Playstation' should be able to carry them. Most people buy consoles for games, if you want the PS3 as a blu-ray player then thats ok but the fact this seems to be your main argument in defense of the PS3 shows that its lacking substance in the games area, which should be the main reason to buy a console.
At the end of the day if the PS3 is not a good games console it will fail. Regardless of add-ons and if it fails no games will come out for it and it will become a worthless piece of junk as blu-ray will become cheaper (if blu-ray becomes accepted).
The Playstation is meant to be about the games. Its a shame sony have lost their way with this
But the point of having BC is that you don't need to keep the old console.
Shawty you really do sound like you should or do work for Sony sometimes.
I never said it was did i, i said it didnt really matter if you had to. Anyway how many xbox games does the 360 play? Surely it works both ways.
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But we would still have to pay the same amount? Bah.
Sony have, as usual, treated the european market with utter contempt and disrespect. They think the name 'Playstation' should be able to carry them. Most people buy consoles for games, if you want the PS3 as a blu-ray player then thats ok but the fact this seems to be your main argument in defense of the PS3 shows that its lacking substance in the games area, which should be the main reason to buy a console.
At the end of the day if the PS3 is not a good games console it will fail. Regardless of add-ons and if it fails no games will come out for it and it will become a worthless piece of junk as blu-ray will become cheaper (if blu-ray becomes accepted).
The Playstation is meant to be about the games. Its a shame sony have lost their way with this
Bloody hell, its only been out for 4 months. How many killer games did the 360 have in its first 4 months? Oh thats right the 360 didnt even have as many consoles sold as the PS3 has ( on launch )
Come on give it a break. They are making some great games, trying to get the backwards compatibility as good as they can, releasing an online community for free.
You seem to be basing the PS3's shelf life on how many games they have had for the first 4 months, wasnt the 360 the same?
TheBlueRaja
17-03-2007, 18:18
Bloody hell, its only been out for 4 months. How many killer games did the 360 have in its first 4 months? Oh thats right the 360 didnt even have as many consoles sold as the PS3 has ( on launch )
Come on give it a break. They are making some great games, trying to get the backwards compatibility as good as they can, releasing an online community for free.
You seem to be basing the PS3's shelf life on how many games they have had for the first 4 months, wasnt the 360 the same?
PGR3, Oblivion, GRAW, Call of Duty...
PGR3, Oblivion, GRAW, Call of Duty...
Yup and we know there is also some for the PS3. Well at least a few of us do.
Tezcatlipoca
17-03-2007, 19:16
Resistance and MotorStorm are the only "must haves" at launch. Most of the rest either don't look too good or are good but are really just old 360 games.
However, most consoles do tend to have pretty crap launch line-ups.
Xbox... Halo & PGR1, &...not much more.
GameCube...erm, Resident Evil (gorgeous but crap controls) & hmm, nothing else.
etc.
There will eventually be some really kick-ass PS3 exclusive games, but not for a while.
'Till then, & 'till the price drops...more than happy to wait.
Resistance and MotorStorm are the only "must haves" at launch. Most of the rest either don't look too good or are good but are really just old 360 games.
However, most consoles do tend to have pretty crap launch line-ups.
Xbox... Halo & PGR1, &...not much more.
GameCube...erm, Resident Evil (gorgeous but crap controls) & hmm, nothing else.
etc.
There will eventually be some really kick-ass PS3 exclusive games, but not for a while.
'Till then, & 'till the price drops...more than happy to wait.
Well exactly, but some people are basing the first 4 months of games on the shelf life and not looking what is coming out later this year. I mean how long did it take Gears of War to come out, a year? Halo 3 aint out yet.
No. I said that the cost of the console would leave a lot of people out of the system. A system which is still mostly meant to play games, that is after all what Playstation has always meant.
With the high entry point to the console, it is likely that it will mean games are more profitible if they are released for the 360 which has a large installed base. Sales of the PS3 dropped quickly in america and they cannot find enough people to pre-order them in the UK.
This is why less good games will come out for the system.
keithwalton
17-03-2007, 20:31
The new f1 game is the only thing that has me interested in a ps3 simply as there wont be a new f1 game for the pc or xbox360 as sony are hogging the license on them and have done since 2003 and have it for a few more years yet i think.
Just going back to the 1080p issue, the xbox360 can now do it just fine and convert any content into 1080p as it has an upscaler.
A feature which is missing in the ps3, unless the game was written to support 1080p/i the ps3 will just output it at 720p if your tv doesnt support that (some 1080i tv's can only do 1080i) then you'll get 480p nice!
AndyIggs83
18-03-2007, 14:19
I think everyone should stop arguing and disagreeing with each other and just see what happens.
If you don't like the PS3 just don't buy it, I won't be getting one as it is way overpriced and I have a 360 so its pointless getting another console thats technically the same. I think Sony made a massive mistake in delaying the console as everyone I know that was getting one now have a 360 instead and they wouldn't swap that for a PS3 no way.
Don't get me wrong the PS3 looks impressive on paper but as soon as they hit us with the delay, that put me right off!
http://nexgenwars.com/
This is a good little site, it shows a rough sales chart for the next-gen consoles, as you can see the PS3 is way behind the Wii which was released around the same date (pointless looking at the 360 as it has been released a lot longer)
LostintheNW
18-03-2007, 15:39
No matter what some peopel say on here BC is a big thing to some people, and given the high price of this bookend it would have been better for Sony to ensure we had the same product as other places as this would have at least helped ease the pain of shelling out such a high price.
Oh and Skunk4u cheers for the rep, love the comment - given up swearing in threads and have to do it this way do we? nevermind when you grow up we can have an adult conversation ;)
STONEISLAND
18-03-2007, 15:44
No matter what some peopel say on here BC is a big thing to some people, and given the high price of this bookend it would have been better for Sony to ensure we had the same product as other places as this would have at least helped ease the pain of shelling out such a high price.
Oh and Skunk4u cheers for the rep, love the comment - given up swearing in threads and have to do it this way do we? nevermind when you grow up we can have an adult conversation ;)
All I want is you :romance:
LostintheNW
18-03-2007, 16:16
All I want is you :romance:
Pathetic :)
Enjoy your ps3 anyway - must be good knowing you bought an overpriced heater :)
No matter what some peopel say on here BC is a big thing to some people, and given the high price of this bookend it would have been better for Sony to ensure we had the same product as other places as this would have at least helped ease the pain of shelling out such a high price.
Oh and Skunk4u cheers for the rep, love the comment - given up swearing in threads and have to do it this way do we? nevermind when you grow up we can have an adult conversation ;)
But America and Japan are also getting the same PS3, the BC is just as good as the 360, so i dont see what the fuss is about. Yes it will only will 1200 PS2 titles from launch, if its that bad all you have to do is keep your PS2 its not really such a big deal.
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Pathetic :)
Enjoy your ps3 anyway - must be good knowing you bought an overpriced heater :)
Haha that was really funny, do you remember what you typed in your last post?
"Oh and Skunk4u cheers for the rep, love the comment - given up swearing in threads and have to do it this way do we? nevermind when you grow up we can have an adult conversation"
Hmmmm, yes maybe you need to take your own advice to.
STONEISLAND
18-03-2007, 16:37
Pathetic :)
Enjoy your ps3 anyway - must be good knowing you bought an overpriced heater :)
I want you so bad :kiss:
All I want is you :romance:
I want you so bad :kiss:
How old are you Skunk4u ?
LostintheNW
18-03-2007, 17:21
But America and Japan are also getting the same PS3, the BC is just as good as the 360, so i dont see what the fuss is about. Yes it will only will 1200 PS2 titles from launch, if its that bad all you have to do is keep your PS2 its not really such a big deal.
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Haha that was really funny, do you remember what you typed in your last post?
"Oh and Skunk4u cheers for the rep, love the comment - given up swearing in threads and have to do it this way do we? nevermind when you grow up we can have an adult conversation"
Hmmmm, yes maybe you need to take your own advice to.
Sorry but I happen to think the PS3 looks like a gone wrong heater, not quite sure where you are coming from there, try again :)
1200 titles working from launch? its been proven thats not the case - and why should people keep 2 consoles out which takes up space - ever thought of that?
My opinion is the machine is overpriced, crap and useless, and American and Japan may get the same machine but they have had the option of buying a proper machine aka the one that was announced as being released.
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How old are you Skunk4u ?
I am thinking he is not old enough to play the majority of the launch titles for the ps3 :)
Sorry but I happen to think the PS3 looks like a gone wrong heater, not quite sure where you are coming from there, try again :)
1200 titles working from launch? its been proven thats not the case - and why should people keep 2 consoles out which takes up space - ever thought of that?
My opinion is the machine is overpriced, crap and useless, and American and Japan may get the same machine but they have had the option of buying a proper machine aka the one that was announced as being released.
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I am thinking he is not old enough to play the majority of the launch titles for the ps3 :)
Care to explain where it says 1200 games will not work at launch?
You might not like it, but it doesnt mean its a "gone wrong heater" its a games console which is on par with the 360 and a Blu-ray player which is on par with HD DVD and the double the price Blu-ray players. You can have an opinion but to say what you say is just, well stupid. And at the age of 30 its pretty imature to have an opinion like that, no it really is. At that age if you dont like something you ignore it and dont buy it and have your opinion on why you dont like it, but saying its a "gone wrong heater" is really imature.
Its not particulary hard to find space for the PS2 ot just keep it somewhere in easy reach if you want to play on it every week. Its a none issue basically, a very minor one at the most, nothing to stop someone buying a PS3.
Why do people feel the need to slag something of which all they have to do is ignore it.
LostintheNW
18-03-2007, 18:07
Care to explain where it says 1200 games will not work at launch?
You might not like it, but it doesnt mean its a "gone wrong heater" its a games console which is on par with the 360 and a Blu-ray player which is on par with HD DVD and the double the price Blu-ray players. You can have an opinion but to say what you say is just, well stupid. And at the age of 30 its pretty imature to have an opinion like that, no it really is. At that age if you dont like something you ignore it and dont buy it and have your opinion on why you dont like it, but saying its a "gone wrong heater" is really imature.
Its not particulary hard to find space for the PS2 ot just keep it somewhere in easy reach if you want to play on it every week. Its a none issue basically, a very minor one at the most, nothing to stop someone buying a PS3.
Why do people feel the need to slag something of which all they have to do is ignore it.
Oh you crack me up, so I am not allowed to actually say that I think it looks like that?
Sorry but as I said my opinion on the machine, if you don't like what I say perhaps you should ignore it? But considering the pre-orders do not seem to be shifting, many stores in manchester have hardly taken any orders for the machine - given the fact Sony have deemed it necessary that we only have one option of the package, and thats the high end one that costs the most money - wonder why that is? surely can't be because they are not making any money on the machines now is it.
For me the machine is a none issue - wont be gracing my house until they bring the price down, and actually release something decent for it, but then again all the games for it are on the 360 which I am more than happy with, and whats to stop MS updating the firmware/software on the 360 to take a blu-ray drive in the future.
Oh you crack me up, so I am not allowed to actually say that I think it looks like that?
Sorry but as I said my opinion on the machine, if you don't like what I say perhaps you should ignore it? But considering the pre-orders do not seem to be shifting, many stores in manchester have hardly taken any orders for the machine - given the fact Sony have deemed it necessary that we only have one option of the package, and thats the high end one that costs the most money - wonder why that is? surely can't be because they are not making any money on the machines now is it.
For me the machine is a none issue - wont be gracing my house until they bring the price down, and actually release something decent for it, but then again all the games for it are on the 360 which I am more than happy with, and whats to stop MS updating the firmware/software on the 360 to take a blu-ray drive in the future.
Right ok, i cant be bothered no more. But care to answer the question anyway about the BC? You seemed to miss that out.
Whats to stop Microsoft from using Blu-ray in the future? Sony probablly.
STONEISLAND
18-03-2007, 18:15
How old are you Skunk4u ?
My name is skunk and I am 4.
I really cannot be arsed any more, with any of your or LostintheNW opinions.
And I will keep typing balls untill this childish thread is closed.
And I will keep typing balls untill this childish thread is closed.
Why not just unsubscribe - it's only an internet forum.:sleep:
MovedGoalPosts
18-03-2007, 18:33
My name is skunk and I am 4.
I really cannot be arsed any more, with any of your or LostintheNW opinions.
And I will keep typing balls untill this childish thread is closed.
If you want to act like a child, that's your prerogative. However, I'd suggest that you, and indeed others in this thread, avoid making a nuisance of yourselves and don't get into flaming.
If you don't have anything constructive to say, then don't post.
Oh you crack me up, so I am not allowed to actually say that I think it looks like that?
Sorry but as I said my opinion on the machine, if you don't like what I say perhaps you should ignore it? But considering the pre-orders do not seem to be shifting, many stores in manchester have hardly taken any orders for the machine - given the fact Sony have deemed it necessary that we only have one option of the package, and thats the high end one that costs the most money - wonder why that is? surely can't be because they are not making any money on the machines now is it.
For me the machine is a none issue - wont be gracing my house until they bring the price down, and actually release something decent for it, but then again all the games for it are on the 360 which I am more than happy with, and whats to stop MS updating the firmware/software on the 360 to take a blu-ray drive in the future.
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I thought games consoles were all about playing games? if we have to now start searching lists to find games that might or might not work then I'll be giving it a miss. Where is the fun anymore? I know, it's called the WII & that's what I have on order. Thank you & goodnight Sony & Microsoft.
The list is only going to be at the launch, they will at more and more as time goes on, untill they are all compatiable.
Enjoy the Wii, Its a cool console, but make sure you have the wrist strap on tight, other wise it might cost you more than expected (already cost someone i know an extra £700 for a new LCD)
Kellargh
19-03-2007, 11:27
The list is only going to be at the launch, they will at more and more as time goes on, untill they are all compatiable.
Enjoy the Wii, Its a cool console, but make sure you have the wrist strap on tight, other wise it might cost you more than expected (already cost someone i know an extra £700 for a new LCD)
Misuse my friend, and its his own fault it'll cost him!
The list is only going to be at the launch, they will at more and more as time goes on, untill they are all compatiable.
Enjoy the Wii, Its a cool console, but make sure you have the wrist strap on tight, other wise it might cost you more than expected (already cost someone i know an extra £700 for a new LCD)Was he wearing the strap, or did it snap? What damage did he do to his LCD? If it's just the perspex cover that's smashed, I'll buy it off him for £20. :D
Misuse my friend, and its his own fault it'll cost him!
never said it wasnt his fault (which i dont think it was totally his fault) but it was just a friendly warning :)
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Was he wearing the strap, or did it snap? What damage did he do to his LCD? If it's just the perspex cover that's smashed, I'll buy it off him for £20. :D
Strap was on, and no, not just the cover enugh damage that the insurace company has written it off.
Niles Crane
19-03-2007, 18:26
This has probably already been posted, but i've just stumbled upon this quite amusing website:
http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/
LostintheNW
19-03-2007, 18:32
This has probably already been posted, but i've just stumbled upon this quite amusing website:
http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/
lol oh dear me what a shame, seems like the delays and all the messing around Sony have done has actually bitten them on the ass this time...did they honestly expect to rest on the laurels of the ps2 and think people would come running for this machine? A year later than the 360 and it still not much different in terms of what the machine can do, and even the Wii which is graphically no match for the thing has outsold the thing at every turn
TheBlueRaja
19-03-2007, 18:48
LOL, oh dear.
Looks like game are a bit of a dubious retailler though...
In case you PS3 owners aren't already aware, here's the list of games that are compatible...
http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/bcGames.htm
A few notable omissions - no GT4, FFVII, MGS2, etc... No Guitar Hero either!
In case you PS3 owners aren't already aware, here's the list of games that are compatible...
http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/bcGames.htm
A few notable omissions - no GT4, FFVII, MGS2, etc... No Guitar Hero either!
Sony really took the p*** removing hardware from the European version.
Sony really took the p*** removing hardware from the European version.
How you figure? It wasnt working properly anyway, at least they are been honest about what gaes will work for once.
Maybe if its not working as intended they should reduce the price instead of increasing it?
How you figure? It wasnt working properly anyway, at least they are been honest about what gaes will work for once.
Can you explain? I have not heard that the emotion engine had any problems in the states?
Hold on, GTA4 doesn't exist yet so how can it be compatible?
Uncle Peter
21-03-2007, 16:43
Hold on, GTA4 doesn't exist yet so how can it be compatible?
It's GT4 (Gran Turismo4) which isn't on the compatibility list at this point.
It's GT4 (Gran Turismo4) which isn't on the compatibility list at this point.oops, misread it as GTA4, yes I do wear glasses ;)
hi what do u get with the ps3 consol do u get a control with it
hi what do u get with the ps3 consola very large bill :D
but what do u get with the ps3 thats in the box i getting it today
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do u get a control with it the wirles one
but what do u get with the ps3 thats in the box i getting it today
do u get a control with it the wirles oneYes, you get one wireless controller (that is what you meant, right?).
However, you don't get an HDMI cable... considering "the HD era doesn't start until Sony say so" (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=13578), this is a stupid omission.
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