Carling Cup Final [Archive]

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25-02-2007, 17:52

Yeah pretty good game, whilst Chelsea won obviously, i think Arsenal were the winners long term. Some of their play against very experienced and World Class players was great. I think they said the average age at one point was 20.9 wasn't it? Incredible. Looks like yet again he won't need to dish out millions to bring quality in as it's already there.

Good game though (apart from the punch up), footy was a good advertisement for the league again.

iadom

25-02-2007, 18:27

Arsenal team involved in mass brawl, two players sent off.

DÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â©ja vu anyone.:rolleyes:

smicer07

25-02-2007, 18:30

Chelsea players too, one of whom started the whole thing off.

Russ

25-02-2007, 18:34

It's not an Arsenal game unless there's a brawl :D

I wonder if they'll win anything this year?

Nick1

25-02-2007, 18:47

Fabregas is a disgrace. Absolute idiot. Needs to grow up.

Chelsea deserved to win.

Hope Terry's alright, though.

(I'm a Man United fan.)

Down the Pub

25-02-2007, 19:45

Fabregas is a disgrace. Absolute idiot. Needs to grow up.

Chelsea deserved to win.

Hope Terry's alright, though.

(I'm a Man United fan.)

thought he was.......but not as much as robben needs to

Delta Whiskey

25-02-2007, 21:23

I feel sorry for the fans caught up in the train signal problem, seven or eight trains didn't make it to Cardiff before half time.

DW

TheDaddy

25-02-2007, 23:33

I wonder if they'll win anything this year?

League cup is next to nothing anyway, I doubt they'll lose a second's sleep over it

Paul

25-02-2007, 23:39

Funny, the fans and players didn't seem to think it was a "next to nothing" match ...

Shadow Demon UK

25-02-2007, 23:42

League cup is next to nothing anyway, I doubt they'll lose a second's sleep over it

I'm sure they would have rather won the final than lost it and both would have wanted to get one over their rivals.

TheDaddy

25-02-2007, 23:46

Funny, the fans and players didn't seem to think it was a "next to nothing" match ...

Arsenal obviously didn't or they wouldn't have played reserves all the way through, the only people who have any respect for this competition are the fan's of lower league clubs who make money from it and lower Prem club's who qualify for Europe from it and bizarrely Jose and Russ

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I'm sure they would have rather won the final than lost it and both would have wanted to get one over their rivals.

You know it would have really knocked Chelsea if they had lost, imagine the confidence blow they'd feel losing to Arsenal's youth/ reserve team, would of served the title up to you guy's on a plate

Russ

26-02-2007, 07:38

League cup is next to nothing anyway, I doubt they'll lose a second's sleep over it

True the League Cup isn't the most glamorous tournament but they lost that, they won't win the league, I can't see them getting progressing much further in Europe so I suppose all they've got left is the FA Cup. Or maybe they'll just end up with another empty season like last year.

TheDaddy

26-02-2007, 11:14

True the League Cup isn't the most glamorous tournament but they lost that, they won't win the league, I can't see them getting progressing much further in Europe so I suppose all they've got left is the FA Cup. Or maybe they'll just end up with another empty season like last year.

Maybe they will end up empty handed but then I doubt they were banking on winning the League Cup, to call their season a success, unlike Fergie last year

Shadow Demon UK

26-02-2007, 12:54

Maybe they will end up empty handed but then I doubt they were banking on winning the League Cup, to call their season a success, unlike Fergie last year

I don't remeber him ever saying last season was a success :confused:

TheDaddy

26-02-2007, 13:06

I don't remeber him ever saying last season was a success :confused:

I do

But Ferguson insisted: "Winning one trophy is good, I'm telling you. "No matter what it is, you have to take that as a successful season"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4746394.stm

Shadow Demon UK

26-02-2007, 13:11

I do

But Ferguson insisted: "Winning one trophy is good, I'm telling you. "No matter what it is, you have to take that as a successful season"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4746394.stm

So he did.

I suppose he is right in a way though, there are only four trophies available and even if you win the lesser of the four it's still a success.

Russ

26-02-2007, 13:14

Maybe they will end up empty handed but then I doubt they were banking on winning the League Cup, to call their season a success, unlike Fergie last year

I suppose winning the League Cup alone doesn't constitute success, however we came second last year to the team who bought the title so yeah, add those together and I'd call that fairly successful.

TheDaddy

26-02-2007, 13:24

I suppose winning the League Cup alone doesn't constitute success, however we came second last year to the team who bought the title so yeah, add those together and I'd call that fairly successful.

Fergie begs to differ

But Ferguson insisted: "Winning one trophy is good, I'm telling you. "No matter what it is, you have to take that as a successful season"

I doubt he will ever call coming second a success though

I also love the way you keep saying they bought the title, nobody has ever bought the title, Liverpool have invested hundreds of millions over the years and never won the prem, where as Arsenal have made a profit overall and won it a few times, Chelsea have made a massive investment this season and look like falling short, money is just one aspect and with the league unlike the cup you genuinely get what you deserve

Russ

26-02-2007, 13:31

Fergie begs to differ

I decide for myself what I call success, thanks very much!

I also love the way you keep saying they bought the title, nobody has ever bought the title, Liverpool have invested hundreds of millions over the years and never won the prem, where as Arsenal have made a profit overall and won it a few times, Chelsea have made a massive investment this season and look like falling short, money is just one aspect and with the league unlike the cup you genuinely get what you deserve

Notice how Chelsea suddenly became really successful when the russian took over?

TheDaddy

26-02-2007, 13:40

I decide for myself what I call success, thanks very much!

Notice how Chelsea suddenly became really successful when the russian took over?

Yes but unlike Fergie you don't decide what Man Utd call a success

Yes I did notice the Russian's effect, I noticed how team's gave up, settled for second best, played for draws against them etc. Money is important but it's not the be all and end all, you get what you deserve, my team will almost certainly get relegated now, I could say that we have been unlucky, how we play team's of the pitch until they score and then fall to pieces and it would be true, it still doesn't mean we don't deserve to be at the bottom though

Russ

26-02-2007, 13:46

Yes but unlike Fergie you don't decide what Man Utd call a success

And if you check my posts, I did not say that I do!

Yes I did notice the Russian's effect, I noticed how team's gave up, settled for second best, played for draws against them etc. Money is important but it's not the be all and end all, you get what you deserve, my team will almost certainly get relegated now, I could say that we have been unlucky, how we play team's of the pitch until they score and then fall to pieces and it would be true, it still doesn't mean we don't deserve to be at the bottom though

So you agree that Chelsea's resurgence was based on money?

smicer07

26-02-2007, 13:54

At least when Man Utd won it, they won it fair and square and with some really good football. Chelsea play crap football and are only where they are now due to the massive instant cash injection. The likes of Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal have had lots of cash over the years, but not all in one go. They've had to be careful with the money, unlike Chelsea.

TheDaddy

26-02-2007, 13:58

And if you check my posts, I did not say that I do!

So you agree that Chelsea's resurgence was based on money?

I didn't say you do, just pointing out that your team's manager disagrees with you

I would actually suggest the foundations were laid by Claudio Ranieri, and built upon by current good management, there is no denying money helped them greatly in achieving success but if it were simply down to someone signing cheques, why bother with a manager at all

Shadow Demon UK

26-02-2007, 14:36

I would actually suggest the foundations were laid by Claudio Ranieri, and built upon by current good management, there is no denying money helped them greatly in achieving success but if it were simply down to someone signing cheques, why bother with a manager at all

I think most managers in the position of Mourinhio would have achieved the same things. Other teams need to choose new signings carefully but Chelsea can just bring another player in if the first one fails. An example is Sean Wright-Phillips, he didn't fit in properly, so they just buy more players in his position until they get one that fits in well. No other club would be able to do that and shows how Chelsea's money has got their success.

TheDaddy

26-02-2007, 15:01

I think most managers in the position of Mourinhio would have achieved the same things. Other teams need to choose new signings carefully but Chelsea can just bring another player in if the first one fails. No other club would be able to do that and shows how Chelsea's money has got their success.

How many managers do Real Madrid get through?

Logan

26-02-2007, 15:13

Was a good game. First half was all about Arsenal's youngsters, and I was glad to see Walcott bag a goal (even though I'm a Chelsea fan). Pity he was the only youngster on show for England though. Arsenal's team was all about the future of 'World' football.

Chelsea, IMO, owned the second half. Experience, strength and stamina prevailed.

I felt sick when JT hit the ground like a sack of spuds, though relieved he was back in the dressing room after the match. Hard as nails! :cool:

Anyone who says the Carling Cup is worthless, is just bitter. At the end of the day, its the first piece of silverware in the cabinet. The players yesterday, on both sides, certainly didn't think it was worthless.

As for the 'Chelsea bought their trophies' and various other money related bull**** comments - meh. Chelsea were on the up for years prior to Abramovich's involvement and the previous couple of managers were slowly building a fantastic framework at the club. Of course the Russian's money helped but it wasn't the answer to everything. Look at Real Madrid - perfect example of a rich club with money spent on world class players, but you can't throw them together without any good direction and force them to gel. They certainly aren't winning trophies left, right and center. When Mourinho joined the club we peaked. He's a good manager, and good managers make a difference.

Back-to-back title winners - that's no easy achievment. If the money makes a difference, how come all of a sudden this year Utd are leading the pack?

Money isn't everything. A lot of football is all to do with injuries, performance levels, moral and above all - a large portion of luck.

TheDaddy

26-02-2007, 15:19

Pity he was the only youngster on show for England though. Arsenal's team was all about the future of 'World' football.

Anyone who says the Carling Cup is worthless, is just bitter. At the end of the day, its the first piece of silverware in the cabinet. The players yesterday, on both sides, certainly didn't think it was worthless.

Except Walcott wasn't the only English youngster Arsenal played

Your right Arsenal didn't think it was worthless, thats why they gave all their senior players the day off

Shadow Demon UK

26-02-2007, 15:27

How many managers do Real Madrid get through?

Most of the Madrid players are past it and are has beens of world football. Plus Barcelona over the past couple of years have been unstoppable.

As for the 'Chelsea bought their trophies' and various other money related bull**** comments - meh. Chelsea were on the up for years prior to Abramovich's involvement and the previous couple of managers were slowly building a fantastic framework at the club. Of course the Russian's money helped but it wasn't the answer to everything. Look at Real Madrid - perfect example of a rich club with money spent on world class players, but you can't throw them together without any good direction and force them to gel. They certainly aren't winning trophies left, right and center. When Mourinho joined the club we peaked. He's a good manager, and good managers make a difference.

Back-to-back title winners - that's no easy achievment. If the money makes a difference, how come all of a sudden this year Utd are leading the pack?

Money isn't everything. A lot of football is all to do with injuries, performance levels, moral and above all - a large portion of luck.

What a load of rubbish. Chelsea were and had been a mid-table team for years until Abramovich came along with his money. There is no way whatsoever Chelsea would have won back to back titles and gone as far in the CL with the team they had before he came along.

United are leading the pack this year because they have upped their game considerably, they have the most number of points at this stage of the season than they have had for years and have a lot more desire and hunger to win their trophy back than Chelsea do. Yes Chelsea have had injuries this season but have more than enough players to put in the first team (ever heard of the youth system??) and United have had their own injuries also. I don't think luck is a big factor in winning the league, it is maybe in cup competitons but i havn't seen a league season where the team that won hasn't deserved it.

TheDaddy

26-02-2007, 15:29

Most of the Madrid players are past it and are has beens of world football. Plus Barcelona over the past couple of years have been unstoppable.

They have always had a high turnover of managers despite spending vast fortunes on players

Shadow Demon UK

26-02-2007, 15:33

They have always had a high turnover of managers despite spending vast fortunes on players

Yes and they had been winning trophies up until the last few seasons, which proves my point even though i was talking about Chelsea rather than Madrid.

TheDaddy

26-02-2007, 15:37

Yes and they had been winning trophies up until the last few seasons, which proves my point even though i was talking about Chelsea rather than Madrid.

They only won la liga twice in the 90's and twice this century despite spending hundreds of millions on players

Shadow Demon UK

26-02-2007, 15:43

TheDaddy

26-02-2007, 15:50

They won la liga in 1989/90, 1994/95, 1996/97, 2000/01 and 2002/03, they won the Champions league in 1997/98, 1999/00 and 2001/02, the intercontinental cup in 1998 and 2002, the Copa del Rey in 1992/93 and the Supercopa de Espana in 1990, 1993, 1997, 2001 and 2003. Not bad if you ask me.

As I said then four league titles in the 90's and 00's and obviously it isn't good enough for them as their managers inevitably end up getting sacked

lauzjp

26-02-2007, 16:30

if I was John Terry's missus, I would be taking out more insurance policies before the next game he plays... :disturbd:

iadom

26-02-2007, 16:48

Except Walcott wasn't the only English youngster Arsenal played

:confused: Who was the other one yesterday then ?

Shadow Demon UK

26-02-2007, 16:51

:confused: Who was the other one yesterday then ?

Justin Hoyte

Cobbydaler

27-02-2007, 15:05

Both teams charged by the FA... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/league_cup/6400985.stm

orangebird

27-02-2007, 16:29

Most of the Madrid players are past it and are has beens of world football. Plus Barcelona over the past couple of years have been unstoppable.

What a load of rubbish. Chelsea were and had been a mid-table team for years until Abramovich came along with his money. There is no way whatsoever Chelsea would have won back to back titles and gone as far in the CL with the team they had before he came along.

United are leading the pack this year because they have upped their game considerably, they have the most number of points at this stage of the season than they have had for years and have a lot more desire and hunger to win their trophy back than Chelsea do. Yes Chelsea have had injuries this season but have more than enough players to put in the first team (ever heard of the youth system??) and United have had their own injuries also. I don't think luck is a big factor in winning the league, it is maybe in cup competitons but i havn't seen a league season where the team that won hasn't deserved it.

Indeed - look at chelseas hounours - not at lot going at all until RA, was there? 13 total...Wow, I bet their cabinet is about to fall through the floorboards with the weight of it all..... :rofl:

CLUB HONOURS
LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1954-55, 2004-05, 2005-06
CHARITY/COMMUNITY SHIELD WINNERS 1955, 2000, 2005
F.A. CUP WINNERS 1970, 1997, 2000
LEAGUE CUP WINNERS 1965, 1998, 2005, 2007

TheDaddy

27-02-2007, 16:41

You seem to have forgotten about a couple of UAFA cup triumphs

iadom

27-02-2007, 18:16

You seem to have forgotten about a couple of UAFA cup triumphs

Well it certainly seems as though Chelski have, no mention of them in the official website Trophy Cabinet,;)

And I thought it was UEFA.:)

Cannot find them here either. http://tinyurl.com/34f648
Jim.

TheDaddy

27-02-2007, 18:23

Well it certainly seems as though Chelski have, no mention of them in the official website Trophy Cabinet,;)

And I thought it was UEFA.:)
Jim.

They beat Stuttgart 1-0 in 1997- 98 season and Real Madrid after a replay in 1970- 71 season btw it was the old Cup Winners Cup competition, now amalgamated into the UEFA cup, I'd not been up long when I posted that ;)

Shadow Demon UK

27-02-2007, 18:26

They won the Cup winners cup in 1971 and 1998 and they won the super cup in 1998 but have never won the Uefa cup.

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They beat Stuttgart 1-0 in 1997- 98 season and Real Madrid after a replay in 1970- 71 season btw it was the old Cup Winners Cup competition, now amalgamated into the UEFA cup, I'd not been up long when I posted that ;)

Beat me to it :)

pedantic

27-02-2007, 18:27

Yep ! TheDaddy was referring to the European cup winners cup (http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ecwc/history/index.html).

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They won the Cup winners cup in 1971 and 1998 and they won the super cup in 1998 but have never won the Uefa cup.

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Beat me to it :)

And me :D