View Full Version : [Update] NTL 20Mb trials have finished
zeus9876
03-10-2006, 20:35
Was just downloading and was downloading at upto 16mb/s. Checked my modem config file and looks like this
Cable Modem Operation ConfigurationNetwork Access : AllowedMaximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 1600Maximum Number of CPEs : 1Modem Capability : Concatenation Enabled, Fragametation Enabled, PHS DisabledIs this a 20mb config ?
AntiSilence
03-10-2006, 20:39
:Yikes:
jellybaby
03-10-2006, 20:41
Apparently NTL are trialing 20 meg in certain area's. Looks like your one of the lucky ones :)
opelfruitcase
03-10-2006, 20:44
Was just downloading and was downloading at upto 16mb/s. Checked my modem config file and looks like this
Cable Modem Operation ConfigurationNetwork Access : AllowedMaximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 1600Maximum Number of CPEs : 1Modem Capability : Concatenation Enabled, Fragametation Enabled, PHS DisabledIs this a 20mb config ?
Oh dear god I think I'd better go and lay down. :Yikes: Yes it is, and more to the point just checked my CM config and got exactly the same. Lets hope this isn't just testing... Even if you got mixed up between the 2Mb/20Mb downstream for any reason, the 784Kb upstream is bit of a giveaway - shame it couldn't be 1Mb tho. Then again never look a gift horse in the mouth. :hyper:
CycoSymz
03-10-2006, 20:44
That is pretty quick, they maybe running trials in your area.
People like me are strugging to get 1Mbps on the 10Mbps package in the evenings and they are doing trials for 20Mbps for others? Great work NTL.
F**king idiots!
AntiSilence
03-10-2006, 20:46
That is pretty quick, they maybe running trials in your area.
They should be running them in ours!!! Grrrr :mad: lol
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People like me are strugging to get 1Mbps on the 10Mbps package in the evenings and they are doing trials for 20Mbps for others? Great work NTL.
F**king idiots!
:doh:
zeus9876
03-10-2006, 20:46
Well lets hope the trails are permanent.
AntiSilence
03-10-2006, 20:49
Well lets hope the trails are permanent.
The trails near us are quite permanent! Good for going for walks on too! ;):p:
deathtrap3000
03-10-2006, 20:50
WOW i got 20 meg too. im just sooooooooooooooooo pleased with ntl. I wonder how long this feeling will last.
Oh well the feeling has gone.
AntiSilence
03-10-2006, 20:50
WOW i got 20 meg too. im just sooooooooooooooooo pleased with ntl. I wonder how long this feeling will last.
Oh well the feeling has gone.
Ah... A hint of sarcasm! :rolleyes:
opelfruitcase
03-10-2006, 20:52
Problem is though, having run the speed test, whereas I had a stable connection at 9-9.5Mb before, my test results are generally coming back at around 5-6Mb, occasionally bursting to anywhere between 10 and 18Mb. Can't really understand that one, as my area is well under capacity (which is all good for me of course).
This is just stupid, they should learn to make sure all areas are handling 10Mb fine before dishing out 20Mb to others.
What a stupid way to run a business...
Stupid completely stupid. NTL fix the present system first :mad:
AntiSilence
03-10-2006, 21:03
This is just stupid, they should learn to make sure all areas are handling 10Mb fine before dishing out 20Mb to others.
What a stupid way to run a business...
Fully agree. As nice as 20Mb would be, nobody REALLY needs it yet. Like you say, they should sort their current systems out first.
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Stupid completely stupid. NTL fix the present system first :mad:
As above lol
Stupid completely stupid. NTL fix the present system first :mad:
Exatly.
If everyone was getting near 10Mb, maybe 7Mb or 8Mb in evening times then fine, start dishing out 20Mb to people, but this is just not right! :mad:
Too ****ed off! :td:
zeus9876
03-10-2006, 21:05
Problem is though, having run the speed test, whereas I had a stable connection at 9-9.5Mb before, my test results are generally coming back at around 5-6Mb, occasionally bursting to anywhere between 10 and 18Mb. Can't really understand that one, as my area is well under capacity (which is all good for me of course).
Same here.....just did the speed test and results are not upto par
1st 512K took 734 ms = 697.5 KB/sec, approx 5747 Kbps, 5.61 Mbps
2nd 512K took 750 ms = 682.7 KB/sec, approx 5625 Kbps, 5.49 Mbps
3rd 512K took 875 ms = 585.1 KB/sec, approx 4821 Kbps, 4.71 Mbps
4th 512K took 828 ms = 618.4 KB/sec, approx 5096 Kbps, 4.98 Mbps
Overall Average Speed = approx 5322 Kbps, 5.2 Mbps
Still 10mbit in Cambridge.
And just wait for the following.
A. Why have they got it and not me.
B. I want i want i want or i am going to "insert adsl2+ supplier here and i live in the exchange back yard so i will get 20 meg".
C. I want a discount because X has got it and i haven't.
D. Give it me now or i will leave.
E. I will throw my dummy out of my cot if i don't get it.
F. Whats the number of retensions so i can get a discount.
G. I dont care if it dont work i want it so i can then winge like made about it when it dont work.
I reserve the right to refer people to post 19 if and when required :)
There will be some of that Bill - and as much as i have been bitching on these forums about my below 1Mbps speeds, i haven't once called up for a credit on my account.
I guess i've put up with this for over 9 months, a few more months wont harm...
zeus9876
03-10-2006, 21:44
And just wait for the following.
A. Why have they got it and not me.
B. I want i want i want or i am going to "insert adsl2+ supplier here and i live in the exchange back yard so i will get 20 meg".
C. I want a discount because X has got it and i haven't.
D. Give it me now or i will leave.
E. I will throw my dummy out of my cot if i don't get it.
F. Whats the number of retensions so i can get a discount.
G. I dont care if it dont work i want it so i can then winge like made about it when it dont work.
I reserve the right to refer people to post 19 if and when required :)
I totally agree. Maybe i should have kept it to myself.....:p:
foxy1972
03-10-2006, 21:47
Stupid completely stupid. NTL fix the present system first :mad:
agree with u there m8 :mad:
get the 10meg fixed for everyone who has it first
opelfruitcase
03-10-2006, 22:50
agree with u there m8 :mad:
get the 10meg fixed for everyone who has it first
Certainly agree in many respects, but around this area the ubr's as mentioned previously working within limits - thus they're probably limiting the areas this trial is in to those area's that are under capacity. There are a few areas where services are vastly over-subscribed, and i'm sure its here that they're increasing general network capacity, as well as utillising the existing capacity better (Such as *moderate* shaping of p2p traffic, distributing customers between existing ubr's better ,etc).
Update from my earlier post, I've tried testing sustained download by downloading Debian from the BY mirror (ftp://debian.blueyonder.co.uk/pub/debian-iso/3.1_r3/i386/iso-dvd/debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso) and its downloading at a stable 1900KB. Landed :D
etccarmageddon
03-10-2006, 22:55
what's the point of 20meg if there's traffic shaping in operation? as most sites we connect to are 2meg the only use for high speeds like 20meg is P2P which is the one thing they would be traffic shaping? so it's give with one hand and take back with the other?
what's the point of 20meg if there's traffic shaping in operation? as most sites we connect to are 2meg the only use for high speeds like 20meg is P2P which is the one thing they would be traffic shaping? so it's give with one hand and take back with the other?
No traffic shaping in Cambridge at the moment, not for me anyway. :)
dilli-theclaw
03-10-2006, 22:58
And just wait for the following.
A. Why have they got it and not me.
B. I want i want i want or i am going to "insert adsl2+ supplier here and i live in the exchange back yard so i will get 20 meg".
C. I want a discount because X has got it and i haven't.
D. Give it me now or i will leave.
E. I will throw my dummy out of my cot if i don't get it.
F. Whats the number of retensions so i can get a discount.
G. I dont care if it dont work i want it so i can then winge like made about it when it dont work.
I reserve the right to refer people to post 19 if and when required :) I want to know where the hell my free blank dvd's - ntl compuer et all are.... I've been a customer for ages now I sp deserver EVERYTHING :mad: ;) :)
opelfruitcase
03-10-2006, 23:12
what's the point of 20meg if there's traffic shaping in operation? as most sites we connect to are 2meg the only use for high speeds like 20meg is P2P which is the one thing they would be traffic shaping? so it's give with one hand and take back with the other?
The point is that 20Mb connection isn't being used with p2p strangling another users 2Mb websurfing who are light users. In my house, traffic shaping is happening (of sorts; if it can be called that) by all p2p programs being capped at 1/5th of total bandwidth to stop them ramming everyone else's connection. Thus, p2p works at a decent speed (albeit not full speed), and others still get to play games, check email, surf, etc without any noticable slow down.
Furthermore, yes your right in what your saying about a 20Mb connection, and I don't think any single user could ever need a 20Mb connection, but when you have 4 computers and an Xbox connected to your network you see where the extra bandwidth will come in useful. Then again, when I first had by ntl bb connection back in May 2000 512K was blindingly fast and I couldn't userstand why anyone would need 2Mb ;) Give it a few years there will be more of a need for such a speed.
Yep im getting a stable 2000KB. so far so good . all the ones moaning are just jelouse of the speeds we getting at the moment no matter how they try and convince themselves they not .
etccarmageddon
03-10-2006, 23:51
but the average user will be running 1 pc on a connection wont they?
damn still only 1.2 mb/s here :(
kibblerok
03-10-2006, 23:58
I wonder if theres a chance us in south manchester will get the trial :D
:shocking::monkey:
same here showing as 20mb down, 768kb up.
There was work done in swansea last night & one other area, think it was that served by the poplar dhcp area last night, though could be wrong on the poplar bit..
obligatory robin walker speed test for people...not too bad i suppose ;)
Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:55:55 GMT
1st 128K took 50 ms = 2621440 Bytes/sec = approx 21810 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 60 ms = 2184533 Bytes/sec = approx 18175 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 70 ms = 1872457 Bytes/sec = approx 15579 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 60 ms = 2184533 Bytes/sec = approx 18175 kbits/sec
Perhaps we can a list of areas that people are getting the new Trial speeds at present looks like Swansea area mostly. As others have pointed out no good ringing NTL to ask for new speed at present is just a public technical trial so just a case of depend whether your area has had the required work done on it.
cnewton2k
04-10-2006, 00:46
well in grimsby i am still on 10meg and TBH am happy with that over the past few weeks things have gotten much better. Get full speed nearly all of the time so i cant really complain. Although 20meg would be wicked :)
Still on the 10mb here in manchester.
FusionXN1
04-10-2006, 03:14
well in grimsby i am still on 10meg and TBH am happy with that over the past few weeks things have gotten much better. Get full speed nearly all of the time so i cant really complain. Although 20meg would be wicked :)
Same in cleethorpes...
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 10240000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 512000
BUT I HAVE noticed since these trials have been mentioned my speeds have almost halved at nights!! Whats up with that? (started last night)
cnewton2k
04-10-2006, 03:36
maybe just the network aint it
(Such as *moderate* shaping of p2p traffic, distributing customers between existing ubr's better ,etc).
Up
so is this the first admission that shaping is going on i wonder
Don't you just love it. If they don't give people the speed they want to compete with ADSL people moan. If they do give people the speed (even just as trials) people moan.
Bottom line - no matter what they do, people moan .......
Don't you just love it. If they don't give people the speed they want to compete with ADSL people moan. If they do give people the speed (even just as trials) people moan.
Bottom line - no matter what they do, people moan .......
That is why i posted post 19 :LOL:
zeus9876
04-10-2006, 07:46
Update from my earlier post, I've tried testing sustained download by downloading Debian from the BY mirror (ftp://debian.blueyonder.co.uk/pub/debian-iso/3.1_r3/i386/iso-dvd/debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso) and its downloading at a stable 1900KB. Landed :D
I can only download this file at 674kb/s
I've tried various downloads from different places and i can only get 1900kb/s when i download from the newsgroups when running 8 connections.
And just wait for the following.
A. Why have they got it and not me.
B. I want i want i want or i am going to "insert adsl2+ supplier here and i live in the exchange back yard so i will get 20 meg".
C. I want a discount because X has got it and i haven't.
D. Give it me now or i will leave.
E. I will throw my dummy out of my cot if i don't get it.
F. Whats the number of retensions so i can get a discount.
G. I dont care if it dont work i want it so i can then winge like made about it when it dont work.
I reserve the right to refer people to post 19 if and when required :)
Do I detect a sense of irony?? Or have you been lurking about these forums for too long :)
Do I detect a sense of irony?? Or have you been lurking about these forums for too long :)
Been here far too long :LOL:
Don't you just love it. If they don't give people the speed they want to compete with ADSL people moan. If they do give people the speed (even just as trials) people moan.
Bottom line - no matter what they do, people moan .......
Aint that the truth:)
PowerUser
04-10-2006, 08:53
Don't you just love it. If they don't give people the speed they want to compete with ADSL people moan. If they do give people the speed (even just as trials) people moan.
Bottom line - no matter what they do, people moan .......
If they just do the small favour of sending my modem the new config file, You wont hear any moaning here. :D
opelfruitcase
04-10-2006, 09:00
but the average user will be running 1 pc on a connection wont they?
And that average user probably won't be on a 10Mb connection in the first place...
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I can only download this file at 674kb/s
I've tried various downloads from different places and i can only get 1900kb/s when i download from the newsgroups when running 8 connections.
Only 1900Kb? Don't forget tcp/ip overheads - max line rate is 2048Kb, once you account for these overheads 1900K seems about right.
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so is this the first admission that shaping is going on i wonder
Don't start any more rumors about that, lol! What was quoted by myself is my own personal opinion, I have not the foggiest idea what networks are planning - if I did, I'd have known about the 20Mb trails before they happened!
PowerUser
04-10-2006, 09:10
I'm not tech minded, What's this dcp requirment for trialists ?.
I wouldn't moan if they could just give me 10Mb and i'd be happy, but clearly they still can't.
There has been a technical problem in my area for 3 months now which is causing a heavily downgraded service, they know about the problem and are STILL trying to sort out a fix for the problem :S
I wonder if they sent the 20Mb config file to my modem, i'd prob just about get 10Mb...
Cable Modem Operation Configuration
Network Access : Allowed
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000
Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 1600
Maximum Number of CPEs : 1
Modem Capability : Concatenation Enabled, Fragametation Enabled, PHS Disabled
Looks like my area too,i live dagenham,essex
heres my speed test
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2006/10/28.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
PowerUser
04-10-2006, 09:45
Cable Modem Operation Configuration
Network Access : Allowed
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000
Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 1600
Maximum Number of CPEs : 1
Modem Capability : Concatenation Enabled, Fragametation Enabled, PHS Disabled
Looks like my area too,i live dagenham,essex
heres my speed test
Wow that's getting close to home, They must be able to do it here, but nothing!!!!
Cable Modem Operation Configuration
Network Access : Allowed
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000
Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 1600
Maximum Number of CPEs : 1
Modem Capability : Concatenation Enabled, Fragametation Enabled, PHS Disabled
Looks like my area too,i live dagenham,essex
heres my speed test
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2006/10/28.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
I am in Dagenham too, but I'm still on 10Meg, even after resetting the modem.
Perhaps it depends on what modem you have. Mine is an ntl:home 120. I bet you have a 250!
EDIT...just noticed 250 in your profile. Perhaps the 120's are not capable of 20Meg.
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handyman
04-10-2006, 10:43
Those that are complaining about ntl testing 20mb whilst there are still problems with 10mb don't really understand the way things work.
There will always be problems that affect the speed that people get on an individual basis, 10mb as a whole seems to be fairly robust and sustainable.
For ntl to continue they need to be trialing new technology and speeds.
orangebird
04-10-2006, 11:14
Those that are complaining about ntl testing 20mb whilst there are still problems with 10mb don't really understand the way things work.
There will always be problems that affect the speed that people get on an individual basis, 10mb as a whole seems to be fairly robust and sustainable.
For ntl to continue they need to be trialing new technology and speeds.
:clap: :clap:
Thanks HM. Just what I wanted to say, but a lot more eloquently than I would have said it. :)
opelfruitcase
04-10-2006, 11:22
I'm not tech minded, What's this dcp requirment for trialists ?.
I don't follow. DCP? Do you possibly mean TCP/IP that I mentioned earlier?
EDIT...just noticed 250 in your profile. Perhaps the 120's are not capable of 20Meg.
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We understand that all the Ambit modems should be able to get 20meg (or close to it), but that doesn't mean they will necessarily trial that speed on all of them.
I'm not tech minded, What's this dcp requirment for trialists ?.If you're referring to TCP/IP, then it is the protocol that your computer uses to communicate via the internet. When your computer is sending traffic out over the network it splits up the message into smaller chunks of data (usually called packets, but can be referred to as datagrams or frames depending upon the type of message being transmitted). There is an overhead involved for each chunk being sent, e.g. the type of message being sent, the sender's address, the destination address, etc...
Also, each time one of these chunks is being sent across the internet, your computer can expect to receive a message confirming that the chunk arrived successfully.
All of these extra bits of information are in addition to the actual chunk you're sending, and are referred to as the overhead of using TCP/IP. As you can see, the more bandwidth you have available to you, the more data you can send simultaneously, and therefore by extension, the more packets will be sent. As there are more packets coming in and going out of your PC, there will be more of the overhead messages being transmitted too.
Basically, to sum this up, although your potential bandwidth may be 10Mb or 20Mb, you're not going to be seeing your files download at that full speed because of the inherent overheads involved. That's why, for example, opelfruitcase said "Only 1900Kb? Don't forget tcp/ip overheads - max line rate is 2048Kb, once you account for these overheads 1900K seems about right."
Hope this helps clear it up a bit. This is only a very basic explanation (and I've taken a huge number of liberties in explaining this). If you're interested, there's a fantastic resource for explaining everything you could ever want to know about TCP/IP, from it's history and purpose, to the techie science of how it works under the hood, and the direction it's taking in the future, etc... Have a look here... http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_toc.htm
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ps - TCP/IP has nothing to do with any trial that NTL may be running... it's the technology we're all using to allow our PCs to communicate to one another.
etccarmageddon
04-10-2006, 11:49
I'm looking forward to my 20meg upgrade and with traffic shaping or whatever it is during the evenings I expect my speed to be 1-2meg!!!
...Only 1900Kb? Don't forget tcp/ip overheads - max line rate is 2048Kb, once you account for these overheads 1900K seems about right...I think what zeus9876 meant was that the only time he was getting 1900kB/s was when using the newsgroups. Downloading from anywhere else was considerably slower. I don't think he was complaining about 1900kB/s being too slow. That's how I read it anyway.
Apologies for answering on zeus9876 behalf if I am wrong.
opelfruitcase
04-10-2006, 11:58
:clap: :clap:
Thanks HM. Just what I wanted to say, but a lot more eloquently than I would have said it. :)
Yes I certainly agree. And to top it off I feel its high time they allowed me to trial some faster speeds, having been an NTL bb customer for over 6 years, I've been on the top tier since day one - its about time I was allowed to be used as a trialist.
I'm just waiting for the other crowd "I can get 24Mb adsl2 for 14.99 p/m" - forgetting that they're not camped in the exchange, their exchange will not be upgraded to adsl2 anytime soon (ie sky) and they have a daft 2Gb per month cap.
zeus9876
04-10-2006, 12:00
I think what zeus9876 meant was that the only time he was getting 1900kB/s was when using the newsgroups. Downloading from anywhere else was considerably slower. I don't think he was complaining about 1900kB/s being too slow. That's how I read it anyway.
Apologies for answering on zeus9876 behalf if I am wrong.
You are completely right there.....Only way i get 1900kb/s is from the newsgroups and anything else i only get about 6-7meg
We understand that all the Ambit modems should be able to get 20meg (or close to it), but that doesn't mean they will necessarily trial that speed on all of them.
Good to know that my modem is ok at 20Meg, but when you say all the Ambit modems, does that include the 100?
I didn't think the Ambit 100 could handle 10Meg according to earlier threads.
Good to know that my modem is ok at 20Meg, but when you say all the Ambit modems, does that include the 100?
I didn't think the Ambit 100 could handle 10Meg according to earlier threads.
Our information suggests that it is possible for the 100, although these are only early indications. ;)
opelfruitcase
04-10-2006, 19:12
You are completely right there.....Only way i get 1900kb/s is from the newsgroups and anything else i only get about 6-7meg
Sorry about that I clearly misread it then...
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Our information suggests that it is possible for the 100, although these are only early indications. ;)
I'd personally suggest that everyone upgrades to the 250. I'm wondering how long it will be before they start trialling a 30-35MB service? Reason for picking these figures is that once we start heading any higher than that will need to start looking at a DOCSIS 3, which by all accounts is going to be quite expensive (at least in the short term until it becomes more mainstream).
AntiSilence
04-10-2006, 19:13
I'd personally suggest that everyone upgrades to the 250. I'm wondering how long it will be before they start trialling a 30-35MB service? Reason for picking these figures is that once we start heading any higher than that will need to start looking at a DOCSIS 3, which by all accounts is going to be quite expensive (at least in the short term until it becomes more mainstream).
Is the 250 the nice translucent blue one? I've got one of those :D
Is the 250 the nice translucent blue one? I've got one of those :D
Yep. :)
AntiSilence
04-10-2006, 19:24
Yep. :)
Sweet :)
I've also still got the older silver flat thing that I had before I moved house as ntl didn't collect it (they collected the STB and gave me a new one)
opelfruitcase
04-10-2006, 19:31
Sweet :)
I've also still got the older silver flat thing that I had before I moved house as ntl didn't collect it (they collected the STB and gave me a new one)
Yes that normal house move procedure, they'll collect the stb and you can go and use the cable modem as a bookstand or whatever else you want ;)
AntiSilence
04-10-2006, 19:36
Yes that normal house move procedure, they'll collect the stb and you can go and use the cable modem as a bookstand or whatever else you want ;)
I was planning on shooting at it with my rifle! http://www.global-devtech.com/misc/150.jpg :sniper:
Anyone in Nottingham been upgraded?
PowerUser
04-10-2006, 19:58
Thanks for those explanations I've learnt alot here.
I have the 250 (blue) modem
So NTL need nothing else or do any upgrading anywhere local for me to be able to get 20mb!.? is this correct.
zeus9876
04-10-2006, 20:06
That is correct
opelfruitcase
04-10-2006, 20:08
Thanks for those explanations I've learnt alot here.
I have the 250 (blue) modem
So NTL need nothing else or do any upgrading anywhere local for me to be able to get 20mb!.? is this correct.
In theory its just a case of sending the correct config file to your modem if the network is already capable. Although it may be that this is not going to be an upgrade for the existing 10Mb service, it could well be a new tier of service. Therefore, please do not expect ntl to go and upgrade you to 20Mb by phoning them up - if it wasn't for me reading CF and being on the trial myself I wouldn't even be aware of the 20Mb trail and certainly tech support won't be able to change your service level.
come to think about it, it would be nice to get a free upgrade to the 20mb just like most of us on the 3mb got around xmas time last year. :tu:
I wonder??
AntiSilence
04-10-2006, 20:12
come to think about it, it would be nice to get a free upgrade to the 20mb just like most of us on the 3mb got around xmas time last year. :tu:
I wonder??
Hmmm... I'd settle for a free upgrade from 4 to 10Mb :)
opelfruitcase
04-10-2006, 20:17
come to think about it, it would be nice to get a free upgrade to the 20mb just like most of us on the 3mb got around xmas time last year. :tu:
I wonder??
Hmmm.... would be nice, but I wouldn't have thought so just yet, they're still in the process of upgrading the lower tier customers to 2Mb and that won't be complete until the end of the month. Then again, never say never....
Thanks for those explanations I've learnt alot here.
I have the 250 (blue) modem
So NTL need nothing else or do any upgrading anywhere local for me to be able to get 20mb!.? is this correct.
They are not able to offer a 20Mb service with their network as it currently stands. Much preparatory work would be required, for example resegmentation of UBRs. All that is happening at the moment is an early field trial. They clearly aren't even expecting customers to be aware it's happening, seeing as most people don't routinely poke about with their modem config screens.
does anybody know if this is specific areas being trialled or are they going to do this to all 10 meg customers to trial see how network copes etc ??
opelfruitcase
04-10-2006, 20:25
does anybody know if this is specific areas being trialled or are they going to do this to all 10 meg customers to trial see how network copes etc ??
As mentioned already seems to be specific areas, one of course seems to be Swansea ;)
As mentioned already seems to be specific areas, one of course seems to be Swansea ;)
ok sorry for me being a dumbass, hope these trials come to oldham :D
Just as a matter of interest im not over bothered about these new trial speeds at the min, but how do NTL decide which customers get the upgrade to trial as I havent had it but next door neighbour has both connected to same street cab and subnet also both 250 modems. I would have thought they would have sent it to all 10mb modems in area if network can support it or does a computer just pick random mac addresses to send trial config file out to ?
slowcoach
05-10-2006, 01:58
If ntl have their sums wrong and they speed up every 10 Meg customer in the trial area at the same time it could result in chaos.
I would think that they would speed up a few customers in the trial area, check to see how the system is coping, if all is well speed up some more, check again etc. etc.
No doubt you will be upgraded before me :disturbd:
Im on the 20 meg wonder how long we will have the trial for
has anyone contacted ntl about this trial ??? or is it just potluck to get it....
opelfruitcase
05-10-2006, 09:45
If it helps anyone not on the 20Mb as yet, I'm finding very few servers I'm getting full download capacity from - indeed, to get full capacity downloads i'm having to revert using a download manager a la my dialup days to download a file from multiple servers as one - or alternatively use torrents ;)
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has anyone contacted ntl about this trial ??? or is it just potluck to get it....
It's pot luck I'm afraid - I'm guessing most TSB agents won't even be aware of the trail either.
I can get the full 2.4 meg in one stream from
http://videogames.yahoo.com/download?eid=398695
opelfruitcase
05-10-2006, 10:13
I can get the full 2.4 meg in one stream from
http://videogames.yahoo.com/download?eid=398695
Would check that myself but it appears to be blocked by the proxy in work :(
FusionXN1
05-10-2006, 14:50
I can get the full 2.4 meg in one stream from
http://videogames.yahoo.com/download?eid=398695
tried a download accelerator?
I totally agree. Maybe i should have kept it to myself.....:p:
well its just a test, but the question should be asked , is 768000Maximum Upstream enough for the 10mbits people to pay for that upgrade given you have 512k now, its hardly your 20.1 ratio after all, who here would pay extra for this ?.:Yes: :no: :scratch:
opelfruitcase
05-10-2006, 21:04
tried a download accelerator?
Downloading this file in GetRight gives me around 1.95MB/s, although I had completely forgot that I'm running a transparent squid cache on my home network - switched that off so it not being downloaded with GetRight via the proxy and the speed drops to 1.6MB/s.
Very strange indeed, can't see why squid would make such a difference on a file of that size...
what's the point of 20meg if there's traffic shaping in operation? as most sites we connect to are 2meg the only use for high speeds like 20meg is P2P which is the one thing they would be traffic shaping? so it's give with one hand and take back with the other?
well if it wasnt NTL you might think 20mbit might be a very good thing for supplying HD IPTV content to your pc , yes it would need to be a good spec machine and and a good GFX card, but many gaming rigs are well within this range today....
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Yes that normal house move procedure, they'll collect the stb and you can go and use the cable modem as a bookstand or whatever else you want ;)
yeah and thats a shame as they could set these up for 1 mbit or something and let users use these for a small fee £5 extra or some such, much like the old stb after you get a tvdrive, and even these old stbs could do the same second service and generate extra profits for ntl.
20MB connection? Holy crap! You guys are extremely lucky to have it test in your area.
opelfruitcase
06-10-2006, 00:19
20MB connection? Holy crap! You guys are extremely lucky to have it test in your area.
Damn right and don't we know it - then again TBH I'm finding it doesn't make much different between what I'm on now and the 10Mb - both services are starting to see other factors restricting your speed other than your own line speed, generally being the speed of the server you are connected to. Although saying that, seeing a CD/DVD iso download at a stable speed of 1950KB/s is quite nice to see...
PowerUser
06-10-2006, 01:20
have you used newsgroups with it?
And I dont mean the NTL restricted ones. ;)
They should easily max your connection, unless you use a find a
crappy newsserver.
I use Shemes and With 10 nodes Active on both NYC and Netherlands servers I'm always hitting the 1.2MB sec wall without a drop with 10MB even after 2 hours flat. In fact last year When I was lucky enough to be on the 10mb trial it hovered around 2.5MB sec for 5 mins before the network seem to cut me back.
If you go on the Giganews Forum several canadian and Amercian users maximize there 30MB connections and still moan for more.
Let me know as this is where all my time is spent. it's just knowing where to use it. 20Mb maybe A dream for me and everyone else on here, but compare it to those lucky sods in other continents we would just about fit in with 20mb.
I'm so glad I'm with NTL though, as This company really likes to push forward all the time, and not just sit back and watch as other Isp's get the better of them.
4 yrs with NTL now and never been unhappy.
Keep up the progress guys.
Thanks
Its a shame they don't upgrade your modem though for when these new speeds come out unless a)its faulty or b)you pay for the upgrade.
I'm still on the orginal black pace box and ntl120home modem which won't go above 10meg and has caused so much grief with firmare updates in the past that any new speed increases i'm gonna make sure it has a accident this time
FusionXN1
06-10-2006, 20:29
I wouldnt mind been on a ntl trial (would be my first as im new to cable :)) - I dont download much but when i do i like to get it done and get off doing something else lol.
There is no need for 20meg at the moment.
I wish NTL would use some common sense here. They arn't going to lose customers through not being the fastest available. I'm a fairly heavy downloader, be it music, movies or TV but I can't see the need for the speed increase. Maybe in a year or two when we all have HDTV, requiring much larger downloads, or when the BBC starts it's iMP service. Until then 10meg is sufficient. The only people I can imagine requiring 20meg are people who are downloading for their living, i.e. car-boot traders or just pure warez junkies who must have everything available, even if they never use or watch their downloads.
NTL should push resources into areas where there are still problems and work hard on fighting theft of service which itself must be stressing the network. I've hardly heard anyone screaming for more speed but posts on here obviously represent a fraction of the problems in some areas are screaming for more reliability.
I'd rather have the most reliable service in the world than the fastest. My connection is very reliable but I want that throughout the whole of NTL/Telewest before speed increases. In my book, being the most reliable ISP in the country holds far more weight than being the fastest.
opelfruitcase
06-10-2006, 23:40
There is no need for 20meg at the moment.
I wish NTL would use some common sense here. They arn't going to lose customers through not being the fastest available. I'm a fairly heavy downloader, be it music, movies or TV but I can't see the need for the speed increase. Maybe in a year or two when we all have HDTV, requiring much larger downloads, or when the BBC starts it's iMP service. Until then 10meg is sufficient. The only people I can imagine requiring 20meg are people who are downloading for their living, i.e. car-boot traders or just pure warez junkies who must have everything available, even if they never use or watch their downloads.
NTL should push resources into areas where there are still problems and work hard on fighting theft of service which itself must be stressing the network. I've hardly heard anyone screaming for more speed but posts on here obviously represent a fraction of the problems in some areas are screaming for more reliability.
I'd rather have the most reliable service in the world than the fastest. My connection is very reliable but I want that throughout the whole of NTL/Telewest before speed increases. In my book, being the most reliable ISP in the country holds far more weight than being the fastest.
No we don't really need to speed now, but its likely it will be needed in time to come (which is what you mentioned) - this is why it is just *trials* at present; trails for HD downloads/vod, trails for testing network limitations, etc. Even with sorting out existing issues and load balancing/resegmentation across the network they still need to be looking at future developments now.
Theft of service is something that of course does happen, but then again its only a matter of time before they find out anyway (this is with the tv; broadband is next to impossible).
'popper;34130483]well its just a test, but the question should be asked , is 768000Maximum Upstream enough for the 10mbits people to pay for that upgrade given you have 512k now, its hardly your 20.1 ratio after all, who here would pay extra for this ?.:Yes: :no: :scratch: '
so are we to assume that after nearly 27 hours and noones said yes they would pay for the upgrade, then thats a no then?.
opelfruitcase
07-10-2006, 00:05
well its just a test, but the question should be asked , is 768000Maximum Upstream enough for the 10mbits people to pay for that upgrade given you have 512k now, its hardly your 20.1 ratio after all, who here would pay extra for this ?.:Yes: :no: :scratch: '
so are we to assume that after nearly 27 hours and noones said yes they would pay for the upgrade, then thats a no then?.
I wouldn't yet - its not worth it. However as bandwidth contention rears it's ugly head in the house then yes, it would be something that we'd consider. Hence why ntl is undertaking the trail now, for maybe 6 months or a year down the line when there will be more of a need for this kind of speed.
Believe it or not, the vast majority of customers are 2Mb customers, with a handful 4Mb - there's not a huge amount of 10Mb customers at the moment. Most of those on a 10Mb connection are either games, those who assault the connection with p2p or (what is becoming more common) families with several computers in the household. Therefore there's not even a huge demand for 10Mb - its still pretty far ahead of its time.
I wouldn't yet - its not worth it. However as bandwidth contention rears it's ugly head in the house then yes, it would be something that we'd consider. Hence why ntl is undertaking the trail now, for maybe 6 months or a year down the line when there will be more of a need for this kind of speed.
Believe it or not, the vast majority of customers are 2Mb customers, with a handful 4Mb - there's not a huge amount of 10Mb customers at the moment. Most of those on a 10Mb connection are either games, those who assault the connection with p2p or (what is becoming more common) families with several computers in the household. Therefore there's not even a huge demand for 10Mb - its still pretty far ahead of its time.
Oddly, the only reason we have 4Mb is because we each kill a 2mb connection quite easily... There's normally 2 or 3 of us online. Assaulting with webcams, video streaming etc.
10Mb would be great, but it comes at a premium, and so we can't afford it. If 20Mb were to come out would 10Mb go down in price? If it did i could see more people taking the option now.
opelfruitcase
07-10-2006, 00:36
Oddly, the only reason we have 4Mb is because we each kill a 2mb connection quite easily... There's normally 2 or 3 of us online. Assaulting with webcams, video streaming etc.
10Mb would be great, but it comes at a premium, and so we can't afford it. If 20Mb were to come out would 10Mb go down in price? If it did i could see more people taking the option now.
If there's three users at once, then yes there's no way a 2Mb connection would cope. 4Mb absolute min.
To tell you a little story I've just remembered. A student some months ago requested to cancel their 1Mb connection, saying it was stupidly slow. I later found out why it was so slow when said person revealed that it was being shared between 6 people, all of them using p2p. Needless to say I used the term stuffing a tree into a drainpipe at some point during the conversation.... ;)
Just downloaded Vista 5744 RC2 (http://download.windowsvista.com/dl/preview/rc2/en/x86/iso/vista_5744.16384.061003-1945_x86fre_client-lrmcfre_en_dvd.iso) (yes it's an official download link) in 15 minutes :O
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paulhanlon/pics/upgrade.jpg
17.8Mbps. Never thought I'd say it....I'm well chuffed. :D
etccarmageddon
07-10-2006, 01:14
excellent and it wees on most ADSL connections.
opelfruitcase
07-10-2006, 01:25
(as per quote above)
You've just seriously shocked me, and not because of the speed because I've got similar myself. Just didn't think the ntl network went as far as the Neath valleys, lol!
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excellent and it wees on most ADSL connections.
NTL's 2Mb service would take a damn satifying slash (the 'after 10 pints' slash) over most ASDL connections, if you take into account the capped connections, etc.
You've just seriously shocked me, and not because of the speed because I've got similar myself. Just didn't think the ntl network went as far as the Neath valleys, lol!
Oi ;) We've got electrickery as well and are rightly proud of the new twisted pair can <--> string <--> can network. Who'd have thought you could get 20Mbps through an old Happy Shopper beans tin?
opelfruitcase
07-10-2006, 14:29
Oi ;) We've got electrickery as well and are rightly proud of the new twisted pair can <--> string <--> can network. Who'd have thought you could get 20Mbps through an old Happy Shopper beans tin?
pmsl! Its quite remote around there, a bit far out from most of Neath, wouldn't have expected the network to stretch that far out, thats all.
The can <--> string <--> can network? Think thats the BT line to my house, or the old Videotron network around London! ;)
totalwar
08-10-2006, 23:03
NTL are getting behind with other isp's most now do 8mb dl speed some do 16mb dl speed and a few do 24meg dl speed.I think that the upload speed is more important.The fastest up speed I seen for home users is 1.3mb and is cheaper then NTL.So if Ntl need to bring there price down for there 10mb service and increse there upload to keep and get new customers otherwise NTL going to left behind on price and speed.
10 meg is fine as per my previous post. Give me content examples where you would need to exceed a 100 gig download threshold in a 24 hour period and I'll happily be persuaded.
Upload is fine too, unless you're running your connection for more than your service agreement allows.
Price could do with reducing but not if it's to the expense of service reliability and nothing is ever cheap enough :).
FusionXN1
09-10-2006, 02:47
10 meg is fine as per my previous post. Give me content examples where you would need to exceed a 100 gig download threshold in a 24 hour period and I'll happily be persuaded.
Upload is fine too, unless you're running your connection for more than your service agreement allows.
Price could do with reducing but not if it's to the expense of service reliability and nothing is ever cheap enough :).
Well i game a lot and the upload isn't enough for me. I would like to host more people.
i agree i would rather have more upload speed for gaming 10mb is plenty for downspeed
Just had an engineer call to look at my bad download speeds & browsing. I was getting high packet loss & the "sync" light on the Ambit 120 kept flashing. He did a few tests & then came back with a new 250 in his hand! :)
I'm now getting the 20Meg service. It's working at around 18Meg at the moment.
I knew there had to be some advantages in living in Dagenham. :D
Just had an engineer call to look at my bad download speeds & browsing. I was getting high packet loss & the "sync" light on the Ambit 120 kept flashing. He did a few tests & then came back with a new 250 in his hand! :)
I'm now getting the 20Meg service. It's working at around 18Meg at the moment.
I knew there had to be some advantages in living in Dagenham. :D
Now, this is interesting. I wonder whether they were trying to provision your 120 with 20meg and this is what drove it to go unstable? I wonder whether the tech was aware of the 20meg trial? I wonder what the field trials are telling them about compatibility of the older modems with the 20meg service, as their initial lab tests apparently indicated it should work with all the Ambit modems?
Now, this is interesting. I wonder whether they were trying to provision your 120 with 20meg and this is what drove it to go unstable? I wonder whether the tech was aware of the 20meg trial? I wonder what the field trials are telling them about compatibility of the older modems with the 20meg service, as their initial lab tests apparently indicated it should work with all the Ambit modems?
The problem with the sync light flashing & the noticable sluggishness in browsing & downloading started about 4 - 6 weeks ago. I normally don't bother phoning ntl, as usually it will right itself. However, it did get noticably worse on Thursday with the sync & ready lights staying off for long periods of time & loosing connection completely. That's when I phoned ntl.
I told the engineer that I had heard that ntl are trialing 20Meg. He said that they had to, to keep up with the competition, but he didn't say that it was being trialled in this area. However, he didn't look suprised when the 20Meg config file showed up on the modem config page.
btw...the old modem was still on the 10Meg config file.
PowerUser
09-10-2006, 14:56
What a bizzare way NTL have gone about Trialing this time around.
Half of those that got it dont really appear to want/need it. And the ones crying out for it get nothing. typical.:confused:
I hope Something official gets announced out before Christmas, Or this could start winding peeps up even more.
opelfruitcase
09-10-2006, 15:01
NTL are getting behind with other isp's most now do 8mb dl speed some do 16mb dl speed and a few do 24meg dl speed.I think that the upload speed is more important.The fastest up speed I seen for home users is 1.3mb and is cheaper then NTL.So if Ntl need to bring there price down for there 10mb service and increse there upload to keep and get new customers otherwise NTL going to left behind on price and speed.
Most ISP's can say they provide an 8Mb or 16Mb but in reality they know most of their users won't get anywhere near that speed *and* they have capping in place. Therefore they can get away with investing less in their networks (less bandwidth requirements) therefore charge less.
I'm not defending NTL (they're hardly without their faults) and forgetting that I work for them for a minute, I've had NTL broadband for seven years now, pretty much since day one. And I look at some of the other services around and still happy with the choice I made all those years ago. Answer yourself this, how many people are still going to be sky broadband or TalkTalk broadband seven years down the line? Not many I think.
My experience is that most US sites couldn't fill 5 mb let alone 20 because of the rubbish peering NTL has, Euro and UK sites though give a very good speed, most I've tried averaging between 1.8 and 2mb.
The NTL newsserver gives pretty much the full 2mb all the time.
I'm moving soon though, typical....although I won't miss the peering problems..or customer service problems....or billing problems...or missing TV Channels....erm..ok..... maybe I'm glad to be going :)
I am with Telewest and have a 18mb download speed and 768k upload speed, so it isn't just NTL people that have the new speed. There has been a posting about here in the Telewest Broadband section : http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=53082
It's a pity that my router appears to throttle it a bit. I can only get around 13Mbps going through the Belkin F5D7230-4 :(
.
Most ISP's can say they provide an 8Mb or 16Mb but in reality they know most of their users won't get anywhere near that speed *and* they have capping in place. Therefore they can get away with investing less in their networks (less bandwidth requirements) therefore charge less.
I'm not defending NTL (they're hardly without their faults) and forgetting that I work for them for a minute, I've had NTL broadband for seven years now, pretty much since day one. And I look at some of the other services around and still happy with the choice I made all those years ago. Answer yourself this, how many people are still going to be sky broadband or TalkTalk broadband seven years down the line? Not many I think.
Agreed, I'd get cable broadband in a flash if I could. I lost it 2 years ago when we moved house and I still miss it. For all NTL's faults, their broadband is a good product.
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What a bizzare way NTL have gone about Trialing this time around.
Half of those that got it dont really appear to want/need it. And the ones crying out for it get nothing. typical.:confused:
I hope Something official gets announced out before Christmas, Or this could start winding peeps up even more.
Sheesh ... they can't do right for doing wrong can they? :rolleyes: You prove the old adage that some people will moan about anything.
The trials are purely technical at the moment. They're not going to advertise something they're not sure will work, are they? And why would they advertise for participants when 1/ they have enough trouble answering people's phone calls as it is and 2/ they want to trial the service in areas they think might cope without substantial infrastructure upgrades, not by finding out who happens to want to do the trial.
NTL has not publicised this or announced it in any way. The only reason anyone knows about it is because a small minority of customers like to monkey about with their modem config screen and because websites like this one receive reports from said monkeys, as well as occasional leaks from valued internal sources. Even so, all the discussion on this website and any others that might be discussing it, will only be seen by a small minority of the overall customer base.
The only people likely to get wound up are the ones who will get wound up no matter what NTL does. ;)
opelfruitcase
09-10-2006, 16:26
I don't find any issues with the peering, although of course YMMV. Reguarly manage to get full 10Mb (20Mb at present during quiet times) to the states.
etccarmageddon
09-10-2006, 16:29
I think this is the best way to test a product. bung it out on the field and dont tell the customers and that way you dont get a bias in your test results.
Chrysalis
09-10-2006, 16:50
NTL are getting behind with other isp's most now do 8mb dl speed some do 16mb dl speed and a few do 24meg dl speed.I think that the upload speed is more important.The fastest up speed I seen for home users is 1.3mb and is cheaper then NTL.So if Ntl need to bring there price down for there 10mb service and increse there upload to keep and get new customers otherwise NTL going to left behind on price and speed.
Are you comparing to isps that also have a cap?
Also bear in mind ntl 10mbit service will work on all their bb enabled connections whilst adsl is subject to line quality and more then half of BT lines are poor quality and will get lower then 8mbit.
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Agreed, I'd get cable broadband in a flash if I could. I lost it 2 years ago when we moved house and I still miss it. For all NTL's faults, their broadband is a good product.
This may shock considering the amount of moaning I did but I agree with you, BTs adsl is a bit of a joke due to their lack of investment on improving phone lines.
My new isp is great irc support, my own ip space, no proxies no shaping but limited by a poor quality phone line which only BT can do anything about.
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I don't find any issues with the peering, although of course YMMV. Reguarly manage to get full 10Mb (20Mb at present during quiet times) to the states.
Last time I was on ntl the peering used depended on the region south of england used different peering routes to north of england.
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I think this is the best way to test a product. bung it out on the field and dont tell the customers and that way you dont get a bias in your test results.
I think I agree with you, when BT tested their adsl max it was mainly employees and only on short high quality lines which meant the inevtiable problems on longer lines they handle badly.
NTL seem to test in a more sensible manner although I would warn the customers about the tests and getting their approval and NTL need to upgrade ubrs in advance so they stop choking after every new speed rollout.
PowerUser
10-10-2006, 11:32
Sheesh ... they can't do right for doing wrong can they? :rolleyes: You prove the old adage that some people will moan about anything.
I've tried in the nicest possible way to express to Merly point out facts, Not moan.
If I were moaning it would have read something like this below.
My attitude would be stronger, and I would be pointing fingers.
And that when NTL trial a product, They do it in a unscrupulous way. It seems more like a lottery then case of logic.
Yes and I really enjoy being bounced back and forth for 11mins between Billing / Sales / Tech support when asking a simple question about packages.
shouldnt we moan if they can't do right for doing wrong.
I live in an NTL area covering 80+houses wherby I'm the ONLY user/subscriber according to the tech engineers, Would it not make sense to trial people falling into this category as well for peak better results.
Be that it may, I was trying to speak for others as well as myself when NTL conduct there Trials.
Reading this forum just makes me feel lucky that my connection works most of the time, let alone upgrading for more. IF i were one of the unlucky 100's that seem to get Traffic Shaping or poor speeds of 0.1MB on there 10MB connections. I wouldnt be on the phone waiting and listening to kenny G for 15mins , I'd be down my local Head office Asking for the manager.
I live in an NTL area covering 80+houses wherby I'm the ONLY user/subscriber according to the tech engineers, Would it not make sense to trial people falling into this category as well for peak better results.
so you are 1 in 80 houses on a ubr that isnt used much, surely it is better to test it in higher user areas to see if the network can cope?
etccarmageddon
11-10-2006, 17:10
so you are 1 in 80 houses on a ubr that isnt used much, surely it is better to test it in higher user areas to see if the network can cope?correct.
PowerUser
12-10-2006, 11:39
ahh But There plan is to be the fastest broadband supplier in the UK, Even if that means only 1 %have it.
mintminty59
15-10-2006, 20:24
Hello there people
I have been reading this forum with a lot of intrest and its a great resource for debate.
IM like the lucky one who started this thread living in the port talbot area of wales have had my speed upgraded to 20 meg. I noticed it while i was using there newsgroup service. And I will give my 2 cents worth. Please dont flame me for having my own opinion.
In the whole 4 Years I have had NTL broadband I have been one very happy customer have always maneged to negotiate my price and have stayed very competitive , only ever had 1 fault in 4 years which was fixed within 24 hours be means of a new modem nice style to which I might add. I have had a very solid 10 meg for a while now and it never lets me down. So in wales the network must be in very good nick as it where.
However since this 20 meg trial things have gone down hell very rapidly. Im struggling to call up websites let alone gameing. Pings gone through the roof. And its very clear to me 20 meg is a long long long way away from being anything remotly usable. And since writeing this I see they have had the sence to reduce it back down to 10 and would u credit it im back to my sturdy reliable connection although webpages are still a bit crapy. its at times like this you begin to see huge cracks in a dated system. There comes a time when the network of the UK comes to the point of the M25 at rush hour a simple no go area. The N*L network might be able to cope with 20 meg but what about the major motorways from ISP to the rest of the world. There are many links in a otherwise huge chain. Everyones speed crazy when realisticly who needs 20meg what possible use do you need that speed for as a single customer used for private use. Corporate links yes , standard joe on his pc playing BF2 no.
And that is really me 2 cents happy reading :)
Anybody else on the trial noticed they have been downgraeded to 10meg again ? Also is the trial taking place on both 64 and 256qam networks.
zeus9876
15-10-2006, 22:14
Well i dont know about you but i am still on the 20meg trial here in Skewen. It still has it's bad times and i have to use a proxy but i guess i have to deal with it til the trial is over.
Chrysalis
15-10-2006, 22:27
if its on 27meg ubr channels would be interesting.
opelfruitcase
15-10-2006, 22:56
I'm getting around 6Mbit at busy times, but quieter times I'm getting around 16Mbit - I'm also on QAM256. In relation to what mintminty59 mentioned, I don't think so much its down to cracks appearing in the network, more to do with the fact that they've only just started testing it, and are upgrading vast chunks of the network at the present time (for what I can only guess will quite possibly be further testing before any speed upgrade is deployed). I'm also on the Swansea cwma1 ubr if this helps.
Chrysalis
16-10-2006, 05:00
swansea I guess as I did at a previous date is kept in good nick considering they use that area for tests a lot.
areas like my old address which was the older type of ubr and still qam64 are the real tests.
opelfruitcase
16-10-2006, 20:47
swansea I guess as I did at a previous date is kept in good nick considering they use that area for tests a lot.
areas like my old address which was the older type of ubr and still qam64 are the real tests.
Yes I know, although they have mentioned that there are network upgrades being carried out this week (rather a lot in fact) and it looks as though Leicester is getting its network upgrades tonight. Maybe worth checking to see what type of ubr your on tommorrow - my understanding is that the network upgrade is the largest they have undertaken for a long time, so maybe they're upgrading certain ubr's as well (looking at the Cisco website the other day DOCSIS 2.0 UBR's are selling for around the $9000 mark, so it will be relatively cost effective for them to upgrade each area - based on approx £5000 per ubr, on average 10 ubr's per area). Correct me please if my figures are hoplessly wrong, but I'm sure that would seem pretty much right.
BTW, what a cracking beast of a machine:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/cable/ps2209/products_data_sheet09186a00801ed384.html
heres a nice general pdf for the DOCSIS3.0 options generally availability by the end of 2006, but then NTL:tw being the one and only cable company to cover the UK would have had access to all the kit for testing long since.
http://www.cisco.com/global/LV/pdfs/T3_P4_cisco_lmartins.pdf
interesting that they have wireless, multicasting and IPTV all over that standard.
http://www.unmediated.org/archives/2006/08/docsis_30.php
hehe 'just permit it' , turn on multicasting NOW: seed the future end users markets:
"http://www.cedmagazine.com/article/CA6375646.html
Enhanced IP multicast: This will enable the ability to provision and manage IP multicast, and allow customers to subscribe to a session, and to allocate the proper amount of bandwidth for that particular session. This will allow the operator to provision and manage the IP connection, rather than just permit it, and pave the way for video over IP multicast sessions. Cisco's John Chapman calls this a "sleeper feature" of DOCSIS 3.0. "
"E-router: Related to this is the e-router, a developing spec that will turn the 3.0 modem into a router and do away with the NAT (network address translation) headache. NAT, in existing routers, makes it difficult if not impossible for operators to manage services that hang off the home network. With the e-router, a subnet can be applied in the home that is made more powerful with IPv6 address spacing. "In the old days, DOCSIS was a bridge. Today, the notion is that 3.0 becomes a router that's more in tune with the market and the data that we'll be pushing around," says TI's Peter Percosan. "
http://www.abiresearch.com/abiprdisplay.jsp?pressid=710
""By delivering interactive IP video to the home over DOCSIS, cable operators shift bandwidth demand on their networks to take advantage of the innovative features offered by IP video," says principal analyst Michael Arden. "CableLabs' release of this nearly-final specification will allow vendors to start developing compatible equipment."
The transition to DOCSIS 3.0 will take place in two phases. Cable Modem Termination System (CMTS) equipment in the network must be replaced before the service can be offered. Later—partly by a process of natural replacement over time—the cable modems and set-top boxes in consumers' homes will also change to DOCSIS 3.0-compatible equipment, often residential gateways supporting triple-play services.
"2007 should see the first volume shipments of DOCSIS 3.0-compliant network equipment," says Arden. "Harmonic, Motorola, and Cisco, already in the field with pre-3.0 designs, will certainly be active. ABI Research expects that penetration of DOCSIS 3.0 will reach nearly 60% for in-use CMTS in 2011. Penetration will be slower for the larger installed base of CPE, reaching just under 40% in 2011."
Outside of North America, much of the interest in DOCSIS 3.0 has come from Asia. (Motorola has established a DOCSIS 3.0 research center in Singapore.) Eventually, demand for more advanced video services in Europe will spark activity there too.
Other solutions for improving bandwidth usage efficiency are being developed, but ABI Research does not believe they will gain serious traction compared to DOCSIS 3.0. On the other hand, competition from telco TV providers—if it develops—may spur the cable operators to accelerate the DOCSIS 3.0 transition process.
"
http://search.ntlworld.com/ntlworld/search.php?q=IBC+2006%3A+WiMAX+TV%2C+DOCSIS+3.0&cr=
At my parents house in Leicester they have been having frequent dropouts overnight confirmed in modem logs normally every tues,wed,thurs mornings for last month or so.
I asked service tech few weeks ago about all the upgrades in Leicester he thought they were installing quite a few new fibres into Oswin Road headend.
Is it a case of the network in Leicester is in a really poor state or has just been picked out for upgrade based on size of city and amount of users ?
Will these new UBRs mean it will change to 256qam network as well ?
Chrysalis
17-10-2006, 01:30
The leics network is poor as I understand it, not all of it but some of it mainly in the LE3 area. One guy on here says he has a 20meg config and he is in leics but I think he is on the digital part of leics network.
opelfruitcase I am not a ntl customer (no ntl bb here analogue tv/phone only available) but I am following whats going with interest.
How long does the trial last? And I really hope you guys take advantage of this new speed, I sure would. :)
opelfruitcase
17-10-2006, 20:41
How long does the trial last? And I really hope you guys take advantage of this new speed, I sure would. :)
I'm taking some advantage of it - tbh though haven't tried to see what its like with p2p yet, will have to try downloading a few bits and pieces at some point and test it properly.
OpalFruitcase- Do you have any info on the queries I asked about the Leicester upgrades ? As checked today everything seems the same except downstream signal level has increased to 8dmb
opelfruitcase
17-10-2006, 22:33
OpalFruitcase- Do you have any info on the queries I asked about the Leicester upgrades ? As checked today everything seems the same except downstream signal level has increased to 8dmb
No I don't know any more i'm afraid other than whats at http://www.ntl-isp.ntl.com/ServiceStatus/ServiceDetails.aspx?FaultID=573. I wouldn't have thought the signal level wouldn't have any bearing on network upgrades, as this would simply be down to the cab.
I just thought you may have had further inside info as I say work is done on Leicester network every single week at least couple of mornings, it must be a really big job they are doing as been ongoing for months now.
I know there are a couple of areas In Leicester that still arent digital yet and have no return path while the size of the city is growing ever week with a high penetration in homes and busier than ever uni must be hard for NTL to try and keep up.
I know Leicester Uni have just opened a new campus housing 5000 students all with NTL phone,TV and Broadband points in rooms so that is a lot of extra users to just add onto the network especially as quite few of these will be high bandwith users.
Chrysalis
18-10-2006, 12:17
yeah leics network is badly bogged down with students, why isnt leics uni using janet?
AntiSilence
18-10-2006, 17:16
yeah leics network is badly bogged down with students
Have they opened a Pot Noodle shop there then? ;):rolleyes:
Just noticed mines running at 20 meg, and they never even asked if i want it. ;)
yeah leics network is badly bogged down with students, why isnt leics uni using janet?
If i understand correctly thats onyl for the Uni itself, not any of its places of residence.
Just noticed mines running at 20 meg, and they never even asked if i want it. ;)
Damn, I wish I was on 20MB :( Hope ntl will run tests in Glasgow area...
PCNutter
18-10-2006, 19:35
I was on 4mb till about 20 Min's ago, just upgraded to 10mb online, checked my config and it says the following:-
Maximum Downstream Data Rate: 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate: 768000
So it looks like the trials are in sunny Manchester as well ;)
opelfruitcase
18-10-2006, 21:06
yeah leics network is badly bogged down with students, why isnt leics uni using janet?
Because the university would have to pay for any traffic that is requested or originates from outside the SuperJanet network - whereas of course trying to push students for their own internet connection means the students pay rather than the uni. Plus of course perring to the states and Europe is minimal (even to other ISP's isn't brilliant) - Janet's main aim is interconnected educational institutions (which it does exceptionally well), not providing internet connections for students.
I was on 4mb till about 20 Min's ago, just upgraded to 10mb online, checked my config and it says the following:-
Maximum Downstream Data Rate: 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate: 768000
So it looks like the trials are in sunny Manchester as well ;)
Someone else who's lucky then! ;)
I was on 4mb till about 20 Min's ago, just upgraded to 10mb online, checked my config and it says the following:-
Maximum Downstream Data Rate: 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate: 768000
So it looks like the trials are in sunny Manchester as well ;)
Indeed just checked mine here in Warrington and 20 meg time :)
Download Failed (1)
Cable Modem Operation Configuration Network Access : Allowed Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000 Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000 Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 1600 Maximum Number of CPEs : 1 Modem Capability : Concatenation Enabled, Fragametation Enabled, PHS Disabled
Now its down to 2 meg, ffs, just give me 10 and keep it at 10 eh?
Sherlock614
18-10-2006, 22:34
Just checked my config also.... 20mb in Cheshire :angel:
Right, time for some testing! :tu:
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Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:32:03 UTC
1st 512K took 2547 ms = 201 KB/sec, approx 1656 Kbps, 1.62 Mbps
2nd 512K took 1281 ms = 399.7 KB/sec, approx 3294 Kbps, 3.22 Mbps
3rd 512K took 5297 ms = 96.7 KB/sec, approx 797 Kbps, 0.78 Mbps
4th 512K took 7047 ms = 72.7 KB/sec, approx 599 Kbps, 0.58 Mbps
Overall Average Speed = approx 1587 Kbps, 1.55 Mbps
:disturbd:
Chrysalis
18-10-2006, 23:01
quality.
Sherlock614
18-10-2006, 23:25
Just changed to a proxy Bill C mentioned in another thread....
Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:23:52 UTC
1st 512K took 359 ms = 1426.2 KB/sec, approx 11752 Kbps, 11.48 Mbps
2nd 512K took 344 ms = 1488.4 KB/sec, approx 12264 Kbps, 11.98 Mbps
3rd 512K took 375 ms = 1365.3 KB/sec, approx 11250 Kbps, 10.99 Mbps
4th 512K took 359 ms = 1426.2 KB/sec, approx 11752 Kbps, 11.48 Mbps
Overall Average Speed = approx 11755 Kbps, 11.48 Mbps
To repeat this test from the source server click here.
Thats a bit better :)
etccarmageddon
19-10-2006, 00:26
not on 20meg here yet in my area.
Mick Fisher
19-10-2006, 01:03
Just noticed 20meg in NN10.
16meg is most I have seen with 20 slots to EN.
It seems people are still being put on the trial level anybody know an official total they have taking part in the trial ? Also how do they decide who gets it just randorm ips from ubr ?
Sherlock614
19-10-2006, 05:15
It seems people are still being put on the trial level anybody know an official total they have taking part in the trial ? Also how do they decide who gets it just randorm ips from ubr ?
I rang CS a couple of times, but they fobbed me off with "when it comes to your area, we'll let you know"....
I have done some more trialling. Couldn't get above 1.6mb/s download. I recently installed NTL Netguard, basically as it's free. As soon as i removed it i was hitting 2.3mb/s download speeds :shocked:
I'll test a bit more later after work.
Well it's not made it's way to Nottingham yet, at least not to me.
opelfruitcase
19-10-2006, 08:40
I rang CS a couple of times, but they fobbed me off with "when it comes to your area, we'll let you know"....
Doubt they fobbed you off. You must realise this is an internal *trial* only - by internal I mean that a) customers shouldn't really be aware of it (although of course some are bound to be in the circumstances) and b) your advertised service level is up to 10Mb at present, so you shouldn't really be complaining that your not getting above that. I mean, what do they expect you to say? 'Oh I'm sorry your not getting the full 20Mbit download (even thought your on a *trial*), we'll make you a cup of tea to say sorry for the lack of speak sir - is that one lump or two? lol ;)
Is this going to cost anymore though?
opelfruitcase
19-10-2006, 08:46
Is this going to cost anymore though?
Nobody can be certain, although its unlikely. More likely is the chance that it will replace the 10Mb service at present (i.e. become the 34.99 service tier).
markknell
19-10-2006, 10:04
This is just a guess and it may have been said before but I imagine this service will become live when NTL is rebranded early next year to Virgin. New name, new high speed service. It makes sense to me.
DocDutch
19-10-2006, 11:53
well got 20 megs now in NN16 as well :) :D :D :D :D :D
opelfruitcase
19-10-2006, 13:57
well got 20 megs now in NN16 as well :) :D :D :D :D :D
Humph! I want 20Mb all to myself - why do other people have to be included in the trail as well! ;)
If they want to stay in the game its good news, as long as its stable. ;)
DocDutch
19-10-2006, 14:08
Humph! I want 20Mb all to myself - why do other people have to be included in the trail as well! ;)
your staff anyway....just unlock your modem and you should be able to get a bit more then just 20Mb .... ;) just have to test it later on but already done a quick trial and averaged at 1948kB/ps which is roughly 1.8/9 mB/ps
opelfruitcase
19-10-2006, 14:26
your staff anyway....just unlock your modem and you should be able to get a bit more then just 20Mb .... ;) just have to test it later on but already done a quick trial and averaged at 1948kB/ps which is roughly 1.8/9 mB/ps
Like I'd be able to do that... more than my job is worth!
DocDutch
19-10-2006, 15:25
yeah you got a good point there ;) like me trying to fleece a new router from work.... hard work :(
Sherlock614
19-10-2006, 15:27
Doubt they fobbed you off. You must realise this is an internal *trial* only - by internal I mean that a) customers shouldn't really be aware of it (although of course some are bound to be in the circumstances) and b) your advertised service level is up to 10Mb at present, so you shouldn't really be complaining that your not getting above that. I mean, what do they expect you to say? 'Oh I'm sorry your not getting the full 20Mbit download (even thought your on a *trial*), we'll make you a cup of tea to say sorry for the lack of speak sir - is that one lump or two? lol ;)
Maybe i should ring CS and say its going too fast then :p:
(as if i would) :angel:
your staff anyway....just unlock your modem and you should be able to get a bit more then just 20Mb .... ;) just have to test it later on but already done a quick trial and averaged at 1948kB/ps which is roughly 1.8/9 mB/ps
:shocked: ;) , i wonder how well sopcast would run on these, what was the upload rate when its uncaped? that would be able to serve a rather nice DHT'ed[HD]tv feed to the other sopcast'ers perhaps some ntl people can try it :Yikes:
give it a try and report back perhaps, http://www.sopcast.com/download/
DocDutch
19-10-2006, 16:53
errr no thanx popper.... got too close a relationship with RealPlayer.... upload I was doing something like 80kbps
opelfruitcase
19-10-2006, 16:59
Maybe i should ring CS and say its going too fast then :p:
Certainly... which flavour of dial up would you like, unmetered or payg? :D
errr no thanx popper.... got too close a relationship with RealPlayer.... upload I was doing something like 80kbps
sorry perhaps i didnt make it clear , its not about your prefered player, its about using the P2P/DHT capabilitys of that frontend sopcast app to serve personal video and how much upload rate you got if you were able to have ntl uncap your connection to test it.
as it happens that app will stream rm files i beleave, although i prefer to look at the current DVB/AVC/ts wrappers for far better quality encoded content rather than the old 1990s style encoded rm/wmp crumby encoded web content.
kibblerok
19-10-2006, 22:47
20mb now in south manchester
well still seems new people are getting added onto trial fairly regular so maybe this will be Ntl's Christmas present to all 10mb customers.
opelfruitcase
20-10-2006, 00:04
well still seems new people are getting added onto trial fairly regular so maybe this will be Ntl's Christmas present to all 10mb customers.
They're quite good with things like that as well - I mean what was their Christmas prezzie last year for top tier customers? Oh yeah a free upgrade from 3Mb to 10Mb!
Anybody know how many 10mb customers they have roughly ?
etccarmageddon
20-10-2006, 08:07
I think it's a very small percentage of their broadband user base.
I think someone posted 2,000 customers all together. More of the 2,000 are supposed to be Telewest, maybe i have the number wrong?
Mystical
20-10-2006, 10:26
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2006/10/11.png :tu:
This was at 5.40am mind you, but was getting a smooth 2.1MB/s even at peak time user usage
The problem I see though is, what if lots of people subscribe to the top tier service and the green boxes can't handle it.. I presume we will get really rubbish speeds?
i noticed the speed upgrade yesterday :D
I get 2.3meg all the time from news groups, :D
me too
uploading to ftp's at 89kbs shocking
opelfruitcase
20-10-2006, 12:17
I think someone posted 2,000 customers all together. More of the 2,000 are supposed to be Telewest, maybe i have the number wrong?
I think its probably more than that - if you take into account that most staff are on the 10Mb service as well, thats probably just staff numbers alone. I reckon there's probably 95% on the 512K or 2Mb services, 3% on 4Mb and the remainder on 10Mb. This is of course though my rough figures from speaking to customers and seeing accounts on a daily basis.
I think its probably more than that - if you take into account that most staff are on the 10Mb service as well, thats probably just staff numbers alone. I reckon there's probably 95% on the 512K or 2Mb services, 3% on 4Mb and the remainder on 10Mb. This is of course though my rough figures from speaking to customers and seeing accounts on a daily basis.
But how many of the 10 meg users are heavy heavy users, I personally class anything above 300 gig as heavy and 600 gig as heavy heavy :).
I personally stick to a self imposed rule that i do NOT do any large downloads at peak time "6pm to 12 pm "and that is anything above 100 meg.
I know this might sound like a really stupid question... but ...
With reference to the 20mb Trialists ... Is there anybody within NTL or any secret hidden forum that exists for these triallists to give feedback ?
I for one would gladly fil out any surveys etc relating to my connection on a daily basis.
My trial is making me cry a lot; Even at 7am this morning ( normally whoosh time ) i could only muster 6mb
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Hahaha thanks mr moderator for moving my post to the end of the correct thread and making me look even more stupid ;)
etccarmageddon
20-10-2006, 14:36
ahh But There plan is to be the fastest broadband supplier in the UK, Even if that means only 1 %have it.I have no problem with that. If 99% of their customers aren't on the top tier that is due to the customer choosing not to spend the required dosh.
Sherlock614
20-10-2006, 16:16
This being a "trial", does anyone have any info as to the end of the trial (if it is going to end)?
I think if they take this away from me now i'm gonna cry :bigcry:
....I think the "trial" is in fact a gradual rollout of 20mb across the country. Same as the 10mb rollout last year.
hardtarget
20-10-2006, 17:32
so how long till we see 20mb officially launched then?
etccarmageddon
20-10-2006, 17:45
very soon I recon as stated by the above person - often a test of rolling it out is done under the banner of a 'trial' so there is no promise it will be a roll out.
opelfruitcase
20-10-2006, 18:23
so how long till we see 20mb officially launched then?
No idea - maybe just before Xmas or may wait until the rebranding in the new year - those are the two guesses I'm looking at, but no dates mentioned as yet.
With my cynical hat on I suggest that this is some sort of back pedalling from their original press release that stated that 10Mb/s would be the standard speed for all users by the end of the year.
To quote:
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/186/ntl-to-make-10mb-broadband-speed-as-standard
"By the end of 2006, the roll out of this new product portfolio will be complete"
Still waiting on my 4Mb/s service.
opelfruitcase
20-10-2006, 20:42
With my cynical hat on I suggest that this is some sort of back pedalling from their original press release that stated that 10Mb/s would be the standard speed for all users by the end of the year.
To quote:
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/186/ntl-to-make-10mb-broadband-speed-as-standard
"By the end of 2006, the roll out of this new product portfolio will be complete"
Still waiting on my 4Mb/s service.
Yes, capped 10Mb services for 17.99 and 24.99. Nothing has been heard of this in a long time, I'm guessing they may have shelved it in favour of keeping all services unlimited, although haven't heard anything for certain.
PCNutter
20-10-2006, 22:00
I've just got to say, I love NTL.
Just downloaded a torrent (Doris does Dallas) ;)....Only joking
But seriously it flew up to around 1.7mb, im only paying for 10mb and loving it, lets just say I was viewing it around 20 mins later :Yikes:
I have been on many different BB platforms including NTL in the early days when I was on 512, and I can honestly say (with my experience with ADSL) with hands on heart NTL kick assess.
Just my two cents :)
as opelfruitcase (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/member.php?u=331) sad this is more than likely another christmas presents to the high-paying customers and this TRIAL is more than likely a gradual rollout accross the network
"Just downloaded a torrent (Doris does Dallas) ....Only joking"
You mean it was'nt Doris ??? :)
So I may get 20mb by end of this year.
Woooootage.
With my cynical hat on I suggest that this is some sort of back pedalling from their original press release that stated that 10Mb/s would be the standard speed for all users by the end of the year.
To quote:
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/186/ntl-to-make-10mb-broadband-speed-as-standard
"By the end of 2006, the roll out of this new product portfolio will be complete"
Still waiting on my 4Mb/s service.A city analyst pointed this very fact out to ntl's bosses a few months ago. It was of course Simon Duffy (ex ntl ceo) who said that 10mb would become the standard speed with diffrent usage allowances. Stephen Burch (current ntl ceo) seems to have been persuaded by the Telewest way of doing things. So they'll remain diffrent speed packages, but all unlimited. Which I think is better.
A city analyst pointed this very fact out to ntl's bosses a few months ago. It was of course Simon Duffy (ex ntl ceo) who said that 10mb would become the standard speed with diffrent usage allowances. Stephen Burch (current ntl ceo) seems to have been persuaded by the Telewest way of doing things. So they'll remain diffrent speed packages, but all unlimited. Which I think is better.
I'd prefer to have 2mb unlimited than 10mb with a cap.
inviroman
20-10-2006, 23:18
i have the 20mb upgrade to my 250 modem and for the last two weeks my 10mb has been down to a very unstable 2-4mb connection i have called ntl broadband tech services 4 times in 2 days and every time the same old story they say its the router so i connect directly to the pc (4 times) and each time no change and every time i get a different answer on what the fault is first the modem has the wrong file second i have been connected to the wrong server third it was a fault at ntl's end and last i have been told that i have to wait 4-6 hours and they have to make some changes and after each call i get told it would be fixed what a load of bulls*** i have been with ntl for o long time if they dont get it fixed they can stick the phone/tv/broadband where the sun dont shine and pay my money (£100 p/m) to a company who will provide a proper service
also ntl c/s will not admit to the 20mb trail or the traffic shaping
ntl have not got a clue!!!!:mad:
opelfruitcase
20-10-2006, 23:59
i have the 20mb upgrade to my 250 modem and for the last two weeks my 10mb has been down to a very unstable 2-4mb connection i have called ntl broadband tech services 4 times in 2 days and every time the same old story they say its the router so i connect directly to the pc (4 times) and each time no change and every time i get a different answer on what the fault is first the modem has the wrong file second i have been connected to the wrong server third it was a fault at ntl's end and last i have been told that i have to wait 4-6 hours and they have to make some changes and after each call i get told it would be fixed what a load of bulls*** i have been with ntl for o long time if they dont get it fixed they can stick the phone/tv/broadband where the sun dont shine and pay my money (£100 p/m) to a company who will provide a proper service
also ntl c/s will not admit to the 20mb trail or the traffic shaping
ntl have not got a clue!!!!:mad:
As has previously mentioned on several occasions, most ntl staff are not aware that traffic shaping exists, or that there is a 20Mb trial. Only reason I'm aware is because of what I've read of here - if it wasn't for CF I'd be in the dark myself.
Chrysalis
21-10-2006, 00:52
I think paying more for higher speed is the right way to go, the BT method of 'upto' 8mbit for everyone is unfair.
Sherlock614
21-10-2006, 01:04
Yep a good friend of mine is on "up to 8mb" package.... Pulling just above 2mb :erm:
I can't believe any of the ISP's have got away with "up to" packages. As stated above it is unfair.
swoop101
21-10-2006, 07:36
yipee, got up this morning and I find this:
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000
well happy
PCNutter
21-10-2006, 08:03
yipee, got up this morning and I find this:
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000
well happy
Nice one mate, you better change yor profile now ;)
swoop101
21-10-2006, 08:12
Nice one mate, you better change yor profile now ;)
Done :)
Down the Pub
21-10-2006, 09:31
yipee, got up this morning and I find this:
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000
well happy
just checked mine and i appear to have the same to, don't know how long it's been on, if it's more than a week all i can say is that i haven't noticed much.
edit, speed checked and it only just a tad faster..........;)
notice that over 13-14meg it speed test thinks its all cached.
etccarmageddon
21-10-2006, 10:06
yipee, got up this morning and I find this:
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000
well happyno change here and I live in a next postcode area to you.
---------- Post added at 10:06 ---------- Previous post was at 09:55 ----------
I even tried a modem shut down leave for an hour and reboot last night in case it forced a new config file download.
no change here and I live in a next postcode area to you.
---------- Post added at 10:06 ---------- Previous post was at 09:55 ----------
I even tried a modem shut down leave for an hour and reboot last night in case it forced a new config file download.
Do you have the ntl 250 modem?
btw...where do you find the config file name on the 250 modem?
Is it the "Software version" on the "cable modem information" page?
.
They going to test it on Rochdale any time soon?
As has previously mentioned on several occasions, most ntl staff are not aware that traffic shaping exists, or that there is a 20Mb trial. Only reason I'm aware is because of what I've read of here - if it wasn't for CF I'd be in the dark myself.
What sort of traffic shaping is used?
What sort of traffic shaping is used?
ntl:Telewest admits traffic shaping on its network
# (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/../article/292/ntltelewest-admits-traffic-shaping-on-its-network) 04 October 2006, 22:26 by Chris T
ntl:Telewest has admitted it does implement traffic shaping on its network – but insists this is only in some places, at some times, when absolutely necessary.
Cable Forum contacted ntl after speculation from some forum members that the ISP has been throttling back their bandwidth at certain times of day.
There have been complaints that connections can often slow to a crawl, especially between 6pm and 11pm.
In a statement, the company said: “ntl Telewest strives to maintain an excellent quality broadband internet service for its customers and to achieve that end, we may manage traffic on our network.
“Measures include limiting the bandwidth available at peak times in certain areas, for certain non-time critical applications like peer to peer, that may have a detrimental affect on other users’ services.
“These measures do not affect surfing, email or newsgroups or usage outside of peak hours.â€ÂÂ
That's the only info that has been officially released
inviroman
21-10-2006, 17:40
Nice one mate, you better change yor profile now ;)
how do you change your profile?
i have now called c/s 5 times about the poor speeds my 250 modem config file has changed as reported in this thread my 10meg service is a load of crap (sorry but ****** off) after telling me 5 different storys now they want to change the modem and tell me that this will fix my fault if the config file is for 20meg i should at least get my 10 meg service:mad: :mad: :mad:
PCNutter
21-10-2006, 18:08
how do you change your profile?
Hi inviroman,
I meant the profile to the left of this topic.
I hope you get your problems sorted and I pretty sure some kind chap from these forums will help you.
etccarmageddon
21-10-2006, 19:19
Do you have the ntl 250 modem?
btw...where do you find the config file name on the 250 modem?
Is it the "Software version" on the "cable modem information" page?nope I'm on the old silver modem - had it about 4 years.
AntiSilence
21-10-2006, 19:39
nope I'm on the old silver modem - had it about 4 years.
I had an old silver one, then they gave me a new 250 when we last moved house. Which was nice.
Anyone in Belfast/Northern Ireland on 20mbit?
nope I'm on the old silver modem - had it about 4 years.It appears that the 20Meg config file is only being sent to ntl250 modems.
I still had an ntl120 after the trial started in my area, but I didn't receive the 20Meg config file on it. After it was changed for a 250, I was immediately on 20Meg.
I assume that all the members on 20Meg have a 250 modem...unless any one knows different.
btw...still not sure where the config file name is on the 250. Is it the "software version" shown on the "cable modem information" page? Mine says "Software Version : 2.94.1010".
etccarmageddon
22-10-2006, 01:46
It appears that the 20Meg config file is only being sent to ntl250 modems.....nightmare!
slowcoach
22-10-2006, 08:57
It appears that the 20Meg config file is only being sent to ntl250 modems.
Could be. Probably still testing the other config files, remember the problems thay have had in the past. :rolleyes:
etccarmageddon
22-10-2006, 09:21
...Probably still testing the other config files...I recon you're right.
sterritt
22-10-2006, 12:06
Anyone in Belfast/Northern Ireland on 20mbit?
no im not on 20meg either, the engineer that came to my house a week ago to give me a new 250 modem said the 20meg trails would only be happening in the mainland.
which blows
Im in Hertfordshire and on 10Meg with a NTL 250 modem (Thanks to Oven Chips, Thanks Man!), no sign of 20meg trial here, no sign of any VOD which is growing rather annoying.
99% of NTLs network seem to have VOD but not Hemel Hempstead :( :(
Apart from that gripe (im impatient tho :D) NTL are doing a brilliant job :D
Highly recommend them to everyone!!
Now can i have 20meg :D :D :D
Got a 250 modem here too, but no sign of 20mbit in Cambridge yet.
TrancerSteve
22-10-2006, 13:47
Oooo last nite I saw my connection double! Im in the Rm6 area :)
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2006/10/8.png
Back to the same nonsense though during the day.. im not hitting 10mbit, but shall see if the same thing happens again 2nite when its off peak.
Mystical
22-10-2006, 14:06
Similar story in IG area
Wonderful speeds at night time (full 20mbit), although during the day not hitting 10mbit
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2006/10/7.png
either traffic shaping is being used or they have lowered me back to 10mbit because as from 30mins ago i seen to have gone back to the 10mbit speed 1.2 m/sec :(
TrancerSteve
22-10-2006, 14:43
either traffic shaping is being used or they have lowered me back to 10mbit because as from 30mins ago i seen to have gone back to the 10mbit speed 1.2 m/sec :(
Whats ur config say on the modem page, has it changed?
either traffic shaping is being used or they have lowered me back to 10mbit because as from 30mins ago i seen to have gone back to the 10mbit speed 1.2 m/sec :(
Check your config from http://192.168.100.1/ login/password both root.
If your on 10mbit still the config will read:-
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 10240000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 512000
If 20mbit:-
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000
Graham M
22-10-2006, 14:51
I personally thing the down/up ratios should be more inline with the lower speed bands especially since the cost is quite a lot more
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000
AntiSilence
22-10-2006, 14:59
Or, if you're on measly 4Mb...
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 4096000
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 400000
:(
LostintheNW
22-10-2006, 16:31
No 20meg for me here yet either :( I am in north mancs but come under either bury/rochdale franchise or the oldham one (as thats were my BB says its coming from)....bet it wont happen here as we always miss the trials up this end...ah well at least i got my 10 meg
no im not on 20meg either, the engineer that came to my house a week ago to give me a new 250 modem said the 20meg trails would only be happening in the mainland.
which blows
Im going to phone them on Monday and see what the craic is. If you are a paying NTL customer then you should be allowed to trail the 20mb. They will need users around the northern ireland area to see how goos their network is.
Im going to phone them on Monday and see what the craic is. If you are a paying NTL customer then you should be allowed to trail the 20mb. They will need users around the northern ireland area to see how goos their network is.
Just wait until they decide it's time for your region to be trialed.
etccarmageddon
22-10-2006, 23:24
... If you are a paying NTL customer then you should be allowed to trail the 20mb. ...why? you aren't paying for a 20meg service.
why? you aren't paying for a 20meg service.
And neither are the people who are currently trialing for a 20meg service.
Chrysalis
23-10-2006, 02:47
once the trial is at this stage it isnt long usually before ntl start rollout, I expect you will have it by xmas.
why? you aren't paying for a 20meg service.
Good point, although most of us are under 5mb when we pay for 10mb.
Luckily almost all the time my speedtests come in about 8-10mb anyways :D
Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:48:44 UTC
1st 512K took 437 ms = 1171.6 KB/sec, approx 9654 Kbps, 9.43 Mbps
2nd 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps
3rd 512K took 484 ms = 1057.9 KB/sec, approx 8717 Kbps, 8.51 Mbps
4th 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps
Overall Average Speed = approx 9409 Kbps, 9.19 Mbps
20 meg here, I didn't notice before as upstairs on my main pc (On a wireless network) it doesn't quite get above 10meg, but downstairs I get hyperspeed :D
Edit: Confirmed
Network Access : Allowed Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000 Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 768000
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2006/10/6.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
etccarmageddon
23-10-2006, 09:28
once the trial is at this stage it isnt long usually before ntl start rollout, I expect you will have it by xmas.I think this is a rollout!
I have the Ambit Cable modem, so can it handle 20mb? I heard once when 10mb was being discussed in a thread here it can handle about 35mb?
I connect via ethernet to it and I am the only one connected.
I have the Ambit Cable modem, so can it handle 20mb? I heard once when 10mb was being discussed in a thread here it can handle about 35mb?
I connect via ethernet to it and I am the only one connected.
There are several versions of the Ambit - which model do you have?
Early lab trials apparently suggested they could all handle 20Mb, or close to it, however field trials may show otherwise. We do get information from internal sources from time to time, perhaps we will get the lowdown on these trials when they are complete.
Are NTL only upgrading those with the ntl:250 models at the moment ?
etccarmageddon
24-10-2006, 13:35
I think so
Hmm, wonder if it's worth having an 'accident' with my modem... accidentally, of course! Maybe I'll wait till someone in Swindon confirms that they've been included before I try that.
Hang on...so people are getting higher speeds because they have the faster 250modem, yet I was informed the ntl:200 could handle about 35mb..hmmm
Not the extra downspeed I want just the upload speed
etccarmageddon
24-10-2006, 14:57
it could be simply that they haven't got the config file ready for the older modems either by choice (it reduced the trial size) or cos they are still working on it.
Umm fair enough I am getting about 9.42 on the speed test on here right now :D
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