Newsgroup Speed [Archive]

Carlm81

09-10-2006, 23:56

Hi all,

First post here be gentle!

Im on 10mbit and speeds have been a little wierd, I used to download from a FTP server in the USA using two threads which would max out my 10mbit ( its on 100mbit) now i struggle to get over 2mbit out of it no matter now many threads I start.

I've also just signed up to newshosting.com the $14.99 unlimited service and I can only achieve speeds of around 450kb/s using all 8 threads. If i use the NTL server I max myself out. Downloading the Battlefield 2146 demo is showing me this right now.

Obviously there are lots of factors involved I just wondered if my external connections are being throttled, I only seem to see full speed when using the NTL newsgroup server. Has anyone else experinced something simular?

is there a better Unlimited News service to use? What do you all use?

Cheers,
Carl.

zing_deleted

10-10-2006, 00:01

:welcome: to the forum
I use Giganews and max my connection 10 meg with 9 threads

IanUK

10-10-2006, 08:48

Its probably just evidence of NTL's peering problems, but have you tried specifying different ports for Newshosting ?
Doing so will use different routes and may avoid the peering problems.

scoobydoo[uk]

10-10-2006, 09:41

Had the same problem myself with newshosting, try changing to port 7000

Richy99

11-10-2006, 16:41

:welcome: to the forum
I use Giganews and max my connection 10 meg with 9 threads

i max 7.5meg with 4 so you should be able to max out it with 6 at the mosmt, using the extra conenctions just because they are there is overkill and can cause performance to actually drop

SnoopZ

11-10-2006, 17:59

I max Newshosting using 15 bots with newsleecher, but probably can use less.

Bill C

11-10-2006, 18:42

I max Newshosting using 15 bots with newsleecher, but probably can use less.

I got this the other day from newshosting. When i emailed them they told me they are now using a piece of software to check how many connections you have running.

I had 12 bots running

Hello,

We have found that your account (****** ******* ***) is currently using more than the 8 allowed connections.

Please check your news client settings and make sure that you are configured for no more than 8 connections.

This is considered abuse of the system and if it is not corrected the account may be closed.

If you believe this to be an error, or are having trouble configuring your news client, please reply to this e-mail message with any information that may be relevant.

Connection details are as follows:

********* *************** ****************

Thanks,
-NewsHosting Staff

LemonyBrainAid

11-10-2006, 18:53

I'm using newsdemon, Maxes out my 4MB connection... Always @ 8 connections for a mere Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£10.50 a month

SnoopZ

11-10-2006, 19:04

I got this the other day from newshosting. When i emailed them they told me they are now using a piece of software to check how many connections you have running.

I had 12 bots running

Hello,

We have found that your account (****** ******* ***) is currently using more than the 8 allowed connections.

Please check your news client settings and make sure that you are configured for no more than 8 connections.

This is considered abuse of the system and if it is not corrected the account may be closed.

If you believe this to be an error, or are having trouble configuring your news client, please reply to this e-mail message with any information that may be relevant.

Connection details are as follows:

********* *************** ****************

Thanks,
-NewsHosting Staff

Thanks for the info Bill. :tu: Looks like i might change to something else then, as if i reduce to 8 connections my speed halves! I'll stick with 15 for now and await the email.

Also i've been getting crappy speeds on port 9000 lately and find things far better with port 8000, although tonight is very up and down.

---------- Post added at 19:04 ---------- Previous post was at 19:02 ----------

I'm using newsdemon, Maxes out my 4MB connection... Always @ 8 connections for a mere Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£10.50 a month

That's expensive. I think newshosting is around Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£8.23ish unlimited.

Carlm81

12-10-2006, 22:47

Carlm81

13-10-2006, 07:56

Ahh increase the connections past the 8 to 15 and i get full speed!

Bill C

13-10-2006, 09:39

Ive been downloading bits and pieces for the last few days & switched ports but I still only see around 500kb/s from newshosting and full wack from the NTL server (10mbit) I might try 15 connections quickly see if that makes it go any quicker.

Speedtests dont look good either averaging 3-4mbit
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2006/10/19.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

so at the momment I only see 10mbit from NTL's servers :(

Well i have just had another email from Newshosting complaining about me having 15 slots open. So have cancelled my account with them and moved to Giganews. can get full 10 meg from the European servers with just 3 slots open :Yikes:, SORTED :)

scoobydoo[uk]

13-10-2006, 10:10

Getting really slow speeds on newshosting myself.
Its been fine for months and months but for the past 5 days speeds are down to 500k/sec using ports 9000 and 119, cant get much above 700k using other ports.

It used to be fine, could max out my 10mb connection during the daytime no problem.

Any idea whats going on, is it newshosting or ntl?

Ive just emailed Newshosting to see if they've got a routing problem/network problem their end.

If its going to stay like this im off to giganews for another $10 a month.

Bill C

13-10-2006, 11:51

;34135851']Getting really slow speeds on newshosting myself.
Its been fine for months and months but for the past 5 days speeds are down to 500k/sec using ports 9000 and 119, cant get much above 700k using other ports.

It used to be fine, could max out my 10mb connection during the daytime no problem.

Any idea whats going on, is it newshosting or ntl?

Ive just emailed Newshosting to see if they've got a routing problem/network problem their end.

If its going to stay like this im off to giganews for another $10 a month.

Not sure who it is. The emails from Newshosting where the last straw for me. I don't download between 6-12 pm so that i don't affect other users. When i do download i expect to get the speed i pay for from newshosting and that just does not happen anymore. I am downloading at the moment from news-europe.giganews.com at full 10 meg and i have 4 slots open.

gurgeh

13-10-2006, 11:52

Had the same problem myself for the last few days. Changing from port 9000 to 7000 did the trick.

Richy99

13-10-2006, 12:05

I max Newshosting using 15 bots with newsleecher, but probably can use less.

and that will soon go down to 8 as i have said before, now they are enforcing their connection limits

---------- Post added at 12:05 ---------- Previous post was at 12:03 ----------

Not sure who it is. The emails from Newshosting where the last straw for me. I don't download between 6-12 pm so that i don't affect other users. When i do download i expect to get the speed i pay for from newshosting and that just does not happen anymore. I am downloading at the moment from news-europe.giganews.com at full 10 meg and i have 4 slots open.

i have been using giganews for over 2 years and its like most things, you get what you pay for, and if you have to use more than 4-5 conenctions with giganews then something is wrong

Bill C

13-10-2006, 12:16

and that will soon go down to 8 as i have said before, now they are enforcing their connection limits

---------- Post added at 12:05 ---------- Previous post was at 12:03 ----------

i have been using giganews for over 2 years and its like most things, you get what you pay for, and if you have to use more than 4-5 conenctions with giganews then something is wrong

I have been involved in email tennis with Newshosting for the last week or so. They say its not them so they refuse to get involved. They say their is no fault on their system therefor i have no reason that they can see to use more than 8 connections to their server. I can only get a good connection on 15. The fact that i can max on giganew with just 4 makes me think that there is a peering problem at the moment with Newshosting.com.

Richy99

13-10-2006, 12:26

newshosting has been like that for a long time, they have only recently as you found out, started enforcing their conenction limits

many have had warnings when they are not using that many connections, i think their software is having teething problems

SnoopZ

13-10-2006, 17:45

I have been involved in email tennis with Newshosting for the last week or so. They say its not them so they refuse to get involved. They say their is no fault on their system therefor i have no reason that they can see to use more than 8 connections to their server. I can only get a good connection on 15. The fact that i can max on giganew with just 4 makes me think that there is a peering problem at the moment with Newshosting.com.

Just done a few tests and today i can pretty much max out 10mbit on 8 connections using port 8000 although the waveform isn't as smooth as 15 connections. However my usual port 9000 is only giving me a max of 300k/sec with 8 connections.

scoobydoo[uk]

13-10-2006, 18:00

Sent newshosting a trace route and got this email back..

It seems the ports 119, 23, 80, 3128 are bringing the best speed for you.

Havent tried testing yet, but ill give them a go and see what happens.

SnoopZ

14-10-2006, 16:28

Speeds a naff again, so i'm back to using 15 connections. If they send me an email i'll tell them to naff off like what Bill C did!

Bill C

14-10-2006, 16:37

Speeds a naff again, so i'm back to using 15 connections. If they send me an email i'll tell them to naff off like what Bill C did!

I don't have an newshosting account anymore. I have now signed up with Giga News.

news-europe.giganews.com

1 216-196-110-3.ams.giganews.com (216.196.110.3) 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms
2 amst-ic-1.inet.ntl.com (195.69.144.40) 155 ms * 145 ms
3 pop-bb-a-so-230-0.inet.ntl.com (213.105.175.5) 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms
4 pop-bb-b-ge-000-0.inet.ntl.com (213.105.174.230) 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms
5 lee-bb-a-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.237) 14 ms 13 ms 13 ms
6 midd-t2core-a-pos71.inet.ntl.com (213.105.174.150) 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms
7 midd-cache-8.server.ntli.net (62.254.64.19) 15 ms 17 ms 22 ms

NEWSHOSTING

2 ae2.51.j2.iad.scnet.net (66.225.235.241) 9.118 ms 9.856 ms 9.953 ms
3 so-6-2-0.j3.iad.scnet.net (66.225.244.173) 9.946 ms 9.304 ms 9.967 ms
4 equinix.ash.cw.net (206.223.115.73) 9.936 ms 9.971 ms 9.971 ms
5 so-5-0-0-dcr1.was.cw.net (195.2.0.217) 9.950 ms 9.596 ms 9.960 ms
6 so-7-0-0-dcr1.nyk.cw.net (195.2.3.2) 9.958 ms 9.176 ms 9.965 ms
7 so-2-0-0-dcr1.tsd.cw.net (195.2.10.114) 77.144 ms 76.631 ms 76.739 ms
8 ge-5-0-0-dcr1.lnd.cw.net (195.2.9.89) 76.843 ms 78.388 ms 82.371 ms
9 NTL-Interconnect-lnd.cw.net (195.2.9.150) 86.713 ms 90.754 ms 85.736 ms
10 bre-bb-b-ge-000-0.inet.ntl.com (213.105.174.226) 86.217 ms 90.250 ms 87.115 ms
11 ren-bb-a-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.165) 95.580 ms 97.394 ms 98.113 ms
12 ren-bb-b-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.186) 96.693 ms 95.886 ms 99.103 ms
13 midd-t2core-b-pos31.inet.ntl.com (62.253.187.94) 100.583 ms 96.373 ms 96.101 ms
14 midd-cache-8.server.ntli.net (62.254.64.19) [open] 110.330 ms 107.380 ms 109.996 ms

Down the Pub

14-10-2006, 16:52

I'm using newsdemon, Maxes out my 4MB connection... Always @ 8 connections for a mere Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£10.50 a month

how many servers do u get lemony? had a pp account untill lastweek, and was using 3 servers europe/useast/uswest, wanted to change to unlimited so had to close the account down and open a new one. now eversince then i only can get 8 cons on the news. server @ 800kb/s max on 10mb connection.
c/s say that cos i'm using worldpay i can only access the news.newsdemon server which is pants, but on pp i was using 3 and getting faster speeds.

Sherlock614

14-10-2006, 17:31

Got the same email myself from Newshosting about number of connections....

Will be jumping ship to Giganews i think, based on what peeps are saying about it here.

Was downloading before with 8 connections and was getting 250kb/s instead of my usual 1.2mb/s - That isn't worth paying for!

Bye bye NH, it's been fun.....

:p:

Down the Pub

14-10-2006, 20:13

would prob go to giganews, but don't have a cc and don't want one again so for now think i'm lumbered with newsdemon :erm:

guvvie

14-10-2006, 20:14

Was on Newshosting, got the email about too many connections so i lowered them to 8 and got crappy speeds (400k). So I bit the bullet and cancelled and went with giganews. Pretty impressed so far, less incompletes and I am getting 18Meg speeds. Anyone whos not sure on switching, I say go for it.

Down the Pub

14-10-2006, 20:26

guvvie

14-10-2006, 20:37

i would if i could....see above post

Why don't you want one? Because you don't trust yourself? Just get it, sign up and shred it. ;)

andip1967

19-10-2006, 21:03

Finally had enough with Newshosting, speed intolerable, definately thier fault. Just signed up for Giganews, so far so goody:Yikes:

Bill C

19-10-2006, 21:26

Finally had enough with Newshosting, speed intolerable, definately thier fault. Just signed up for Giganews, so far so goody:Yikes:

Dumped newshosting the other week. Been with giganews since and was able to max out at 19 meg after midnight last night. I only download during the off peak hours. My newshosting account is still live till the end of the month and last night i could only get 6 meg off them.

Sherlock614

21-10-2006, 23:25

Went to Giganews tonight after apalling speeds from Newshosting, not to mention non-response to support email asking why speeds were so dire....

Anyways....

Don't you just love 2.23mb/s downloads :D

Giganews all the way, it was worth the extra fiver ;)

bigrich1976

23-10-2006, 13:01

HI all,

On 10mb with NTL and everything was ok up until a week ago. normally download 1200kbps on astraweb with 10 connections and i was struggling to hit 350kbps from last night. Now i did notice on the NTL status page that they are having Newsgroup problems and people would be experiencing a degraded service. Does anyone know if changing ports has fixed any problems. I dont think this is a astrawebs or any other providers problem. defo NTL's

For status please use below url
http://www.ntl-isp.ntl.com/ServiceStatus/

Mick Fisher

23-10-2006, 19:37

The Ntl newsgroup problems refer to Ntl's own NNTP server not Astrawebs.
The problem you experienced with Astraweb would be caused by something being broken along the route between you and Astraweb or something internal to Astraweb.
You need to do a trace to findout.
_

bigrich1976

23-10-2006, 20:24

SnoopZ

23-10-2006, 20:32

I think its apparent that NTL are traffic shaping NNTP at the moment. Did a tracert to astraweb and all ok. changed the port no that i use to connect and hey presto back upto 1200kbps. wonder how long it is before they block my new port. anyway all sorted for now. :dozey:

They've stated that they don't traffic shape newsgroups. I get different speeds on Newshosting with different ports. Sometimes 1 port is really good other times it's really bad.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/292/ntltelewest-admits-traffic-shaping-on-its-network

“These measures do not affect surfing, email or newsgroups or usage outside of peak hours.”

RXP

23-10-2006, 22:04

It's clear that they lie. How do we know that the makers of that statement know how far the shaping goes? After all most CS don't even know they do shape! Who actually does know what's going on in the organisation?

bigrich1976

24-10-2006, 07:57

I spoke to "tech support" in india yesterday and i said a few times. im having problems with newsgroup speeds and they automatically directed me to my web browser to put a proxy server in. i asked about the NNTP problem on the status page and he didnt even know. :rolleyes:

If you have a serious problem i doubt they will know how to resolve it. its annoying they advertise trhe service as unlimited but they obviously dont want you to use it like that.

Vegeta

27-10-2006, 02:56

I also got a message from NewsHosting about using too many connections but since my account is about to expire in 2 weeks I don't care.

I did however notice today that they were FORCING my connections down to 8. I simply disconnected for 5 minutes and reconnected and the error message was gone.

I'm definitely not going to renew my account with NewsHosting again. I have to use 15 connections to get 10mbit speeds and with only 8 connections I get around 6mbit speeds. Now that I'm on ntl's 20mbit trial, 6mbit seems abysmal.

Giganews seems to be the way to go these days. Anyone get the full 20mbit with Giganews connection limit?

Bill C

27-10-2006, 07:39

curly

14-11-2006, 22:05

have just tested giganews on web page and getting 1728kbps on europe server and 1633kbps on .com server this is just as bad as newshosting ...how come you all jumped ship and r maxing your connections out ?

news.giganews.com
1 216.196.98.6 (216.196.98.6) 161 ms 1 ms 0 ms
2 g3-16.gw2.dca.giganews.com (216.196.96.61) 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms
3 cpr1-ge-14-1.virginiaequinix.savvis.net (208.173.50.157) 0 ms cpr1-ge-14-2.virginiaequinix.savvis.net (208.173.50.161) 0 ms cpr1-ge-13-0.virginiaequinix.savvis.net (208.173.51.169) 0 ms
4 bcs2-so-5-3-0.washington.savvis.net (206.24.227.45) 1 ms 60 ms 1 ms
5 bcs2-so-0-0-0.Parisprx.savvis.net (204.70.192.126) 82 ms 82 ms 82 ms
MPLS Label=310112 CoS=0 TTL=0 S=1
6 bcs1-as0-0.Parisprx.savvis.net (204.70.193.205) 81 ms 81 ms 82 ms
MPLS Label=115824 CoS=0 TTL=0 S=1
7 bcs2-so-0-0-0.Londonlnx.savvis.net (204.70.192.130) 85 ms 83 ms 90 ms
MPLS Label=128768 CoS=0 TTL=0 S=1
8 bcs1-as0-0.Londonlnx.savvis.net (204.70.193.201) 87 ms 87 ms 87 ms
9 s254887-1.savvis-internet.uklond5-bsn.savvis.net (82.118.94.186) 82 ms 206.24.169.174 (206.24.169.174) 80 ms s254887-1.savvis-internet.uklond5-bsn.savvis.net (82.118.94.186) 82 ms
10 194.117.136.165 (194.117.136.165) 91 ms 91 ms 91 ms
MPLS Label=14343 CoS=0 TTL=0 S=1
11 194.117.136.149 (194.117.136.149) 89 ms 89 ms 97 ms
MPLS Label=7385 CoS=0 TTL=0 S=1
12 kno-cai-kno-rab-pos.telewest.net (194.117.136.65) 102 ms 97 ms 97 ms
MPLS Label=470 CoS=0 TTL=0 S=1
13 pc-62-30-249-6-ha.blueyonder.co.uk (62.30.249.6) 94 ms 93 ms 95 ms
MPLS Label=442 CoS=0 TTL=0 S=1
14 pc-62-30-249-22-ha.blueyonder.co.uk (62.30.249.22) 96 ms 95 ms 93 ms
MPLS Label=6722 CoS=0 TTL=0 S=1
15 ubr02-live.blueyonder.co.uk (62.30.0.157) 98 ms 95 ms 95 ms
16 * * *
17 * * *
18 * * *
Max number of unresponsive hops reached (firewall or filter?)

news-europe.giganews.com
1 216-196-110-3.ams.giganews.com (216.196.110.3) 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms
2 acr1-ge-7-0-0.amsterdamamx.savvis.net (208.174.49.77) 0 ms acr1-ge-3-2-0.amsterdamamx.savvis.net (208.174.49.73) 0 ms acr1-ge-7-0-0.amsterdamamx.savvis.net (208.174.49.77) 1 ms
3 dcr1-so-1-0-0.amsterdamamx.savvis.net (204.70.193.146) 1 ms 6 ms 1 ms
4 bcs1-so-4-0-0.londonlnx.savvis.net (204.70.194.77) 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms
5 s254887-1.savvis-internet.uklond5-bsn.savvis.net (82.118.94.186) 6 ms 206.24.169.174 (206.24.169.174) 6 ms 206.24.169.170 (206.24.169.170) 6 ms
6 194.117.136.173 (194.117.136.173) 15 ms 15 ms 22 ms
MPLS Label=18455 CoS=0 TTL=127 S=0
7 194.117.136.157 (194.117.136.157) 14 ms 63 ms 15 ms
MPLS Label=7385 CoS=0 TTL=127 S=0
8 kno-cai-kno-rab-pos.telewest.net (194.117.136.65) 21 ms 24 ms 22 ms
MPLS Label=470 CoS=0 TTL=127 S=0
9 pc-62-30-249-2-ha.blueyonder.co.uk (62.30.249.2) 21 ms 19 ms 20 ms
MPLS Label=439 CoS=0 TTL=127 S=0
10 pc-62-30-249-30-ha.blueyonder.co.uk (62.30.249.30) 19 ms 21 ms 21 ms
MPLS Label=6722 CoS=0 TTL=127 S=0
11 ubr02-live.blueyonder.co.uk (62.30.0.157) 23 ms 28 ms 28 ms
12 * * *
13 * * *
14 * * *
Max number of unresponsive hops reached (firewall or filter?)

kar

25-11-2006, 11:09

The problem isn't giganews here, it's the amst.ic exchange point, it's totally saturated fro mthe looks of things. Both gigas US and European servers come into ntl via that exchange so speeds are appalling right now.

Rik

25-11-2006, 11:46

Giganews European Server with 10 Connections (I have a max of 20 at my disposal) absolutely blindingly fast.

Maxing out 10Meg at 1.17MB/s.

PS Im on top tier with SSL Encrypted Connections using port 563.

Expensive at around Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£16 per month. but certainly worth it to me for completely unlimited service, and rock solid (and I do mean rock solid) speeds.

kar

25-11-2006, 14:01

Yeah I joined up with them yesterday in the middle of a Watford speed crisis. Downloads are absolutely flying, saturating my 4mb link easily, just a shame it takes for absolutely ever to download post headers.

I think I've downloaded about 5 gig in the time it's taken to sync one group!

But yeah they seem really good to me.

Rik

26-11-2006, 09:29

just a shame it takes for absolutely ever to download post headers.

Not if you use a newsreader that supports .nzb files.

Simply download the .nzb and it downloads the files you want, no flaffing around with downloading headers.

SnoopZ

26-11-2006, 13:41

Not if you use a newsreader that supports .nzb files.

Simply download the .nzb and it downloads the files you want, no flaffing around with downloading headers.

Agreed, i never download headers, i just find the .NZB file from various free websites. :)