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squiggs1982
17-06-2005, 19:00
Now, I'm not normally one to moan about such things, but I've just been to get some petrol and we're now at 89.9p a litre! So let's call a spade a spade, that's 90p!

A BP service station in Peterborough next to a Sainsbury's and a Boots, if anyone's interested.

Is it just me, or is it getting rediculous?

Tuftus
17-06-2005, 19:02
And Deisels getting almost as bad...

kronas
17-06-2005, 19:03
well the price of crude is getting higher and higher so no its not a shock, oil is getting more expensive on the markets so the consumer has to pay the offset.

on a side note:

are diesel cars more fuel efficient ? ive been told pertol cars give you less mileage.

jellybaby
17-06-2005, 19:07
Now, I'm not normally one to moan about such things, but I've just been to get some petrol and we're now at 89.9p a litre! So let's call a spade a spade, that's 90p!

A BP service station in Peterborough next to a Sainsbury's and a Boots, if anyone's interested.

Is it just me, or is it getting rediculous?

Thats not far from me, and it's been around that price for a while now :(

Hom3r
17-06-2005, 19:07
This is how to get petrol down, don't buy from the petrol making companies (BP,SHELL,ESSO) only buy from the indepentant suppliers and shops (TESCO,ASDA,SAINSBURY).

this will enable them to drop prices forcing the big names to follow suit to sell the stuff.

Just not buy petrol just cuts you're own throat

Angua
17-06-2005, 19:08
Those prices only just getting to you. Think yourself lucky. Prices are over the 90p a litre already here including diesel.:Yikes: :mad: Avoid West Oxfordshire for fuel.

Hom3r
17-06-2005, 19:11
and the yanks complain about 50p per gallon (FYI that a US gallon is about 3.5 litres)

Charlie_Bubble
17-06-2005, 19:26
and the yanks complain about 50p per gallon (FYI that a US gallon is about 3.5 litres)

I think you mean £1

Escapee
17-06-2005, 19:31
This is how to get petrol down, don't buy from the petrol making companies (BP,SHELL,ESSO) only buy from the indepentant suppliers and shops (TESCO,ASDA,SAINSBURY).

this will enable them to drop prices forcing the big names to follow suit to sell the stuff.

Just not buy petrol just cuts you're own throat

I dont think it will make a huge difference, something like 80% of the cost goes to the government. Just to cheer you up a bit more, you are paying for it out of money they could of taxed you upto 40%.

So, they could have already had 40p of your pound before you buy the fuel, then they get about another 48 pence when you fill up in VAT and tax.
reality is every pound before tax you spend on fuel sees 88 pence going to the government for a 40% taxpayer and 62 pence for 22% tax payers.

paulyoung666
17-06-2005, 19:33
a garage near here is upto 95.9 for diesel :disturbd:

robtufts
17-06-2005, 19:41
Was quite suprised, over the past few weeks, particularly at shell garages, prices were falling (lowest I saw near me was 80.9p at a shell near the centre of luton) and then filled up the other day greeted with 88p :( .

Steve H
17-06-2005, 19:52
are diesel cars more fuel efficient ? ive been told pertol cars give you less mileage.

Yes.

Why else would people buy the dirty smelly efforts that use it :p:

altis
17-06-2005, 20:08
Switch to LPG - only 36p / litre.

smug grin :)

SlackDad
17-06-2005, 20:23
Well maybe the higher prices will make us think twice about our cars and urge us to look for alternatives such as car sharing for example (or maybe walking but I appreciate that's quite radical). The amount of cars I see with just one person in is quite sickening really. Why do we feel that when we travel anywhere we have to drag a ton of metal round with us?

BTW, I did hear a discussion on the radio the other day and a commentator suggested that even though fuel prices are high we are actually spending a lower proportion of our income on fuel as average incomes have risen more than petrol prices. So the at the pump price may seem very high but is not so bad when considered like this.

kronas
17-06-2005, 21:14
Yes.

Why else would people buy the dirty smelly efforts that use it :p:

i dont know maybe some people like the smell :p:

Florence
17-06-2005, 21:18
I have just put petrol in tonigth at Tesco and it was 82.5p a litre and last weekend @ Caernarfon a Morrisons 85.9p per litre

Wicked_and_Crazy
17-06-2005, 22:47
Now, I'm not normally one to moan about such things, but I've just been to get some petrol and we're now at 89.9p a litre! So let's call a spade a spade, that's 90p!

A BP service station in Peterborough next to a Sainsbury's and a Boots, if anyone's interested.

Is it just me, or is it getting rediculous?

you were a long way from home!! is more expensive daan saarf
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And Deisels getting almost as bad...

errmm Diesel has been more expensive than unleaded for years
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Was quite suprised, over the past few weeks, particularly at shell garages, prices were falling (lowest I saw near me was 80.9p at a shell near the centre of luton) and then filled up the other day greeted with 88p :( .

ive seen that too, the nearest station to me is a shell and i havent used it for a while as the tescos that s4 miles away was much cheaper.

I use diesel and i have found that i get about 10% more miles on a tank of shell diesel than i do on tesco's diesel. If someone had told me that id have said they were kidding me. But that has been my experience

Paul
17-06-2005, 22:54
I filled up at out local Morrisions on Wednesday at 82.9p / litre ....

Nikko
17-06-2005, 23:32
I filled up at out local Morrisions on Wednesday at 82.9p / litre ....

80.9 on Daleside Road next to the Magpies

AndrewJ
17-06-2005, 23:37
I just went with a friend to fill up 85.9 here for petrol ( Rochdale )

leef78
17-06-2005, 23:45
83.9 cheetham hill, manchester. unleaded. 89.9 for diesel!!!!!! :mad:

Lets have another petrol strike!! that was fun watching blair crap himself everyday!!

mrlipring
17-06-2005, 23:48
Is there a website that people can find out the cheapest petrol near them?

If not, perhaps there should be...

andygrif
17-06-2005, 23:53
And Deisels getting almost as bad...

Diesel is more expensive than standard U/L - and about the same as Super U/L.

Yes.

Why else would people buy the dirty smelly efforts that use it :p:

I saw something recently, which worked out how long it would take you to break even with a diesel. For starters, the cars are generally more expensive than petrol engines. The fuel is more expensive, but does take you further. And finally the servicing is more expensive.

I can't remember the exact figure, but it was something like eight years to make your money back by driving a diesel. A bit pointless really, unless you drive an artic.

Is there a website that people can find out the cheapest petrol near them?

If not, perhaps there should be...

The AA used to have one, but they stopped doing it a few months back.

I was in Docklands this week and most of them there were 80.9p for U/L. By contrast I passed a station on a country lane today selling at 95.9p. I know there's economies of scale but I do think there are a lot of fuel companies are somewhat taking advantage of the current oil pricing.

Steve H
18-06-2005, 00:24
I saw something recently, which worked out how long it would take you to break even with a diesel. For starters, the cars are generally more expensive than petrol engines. The fuel is more expensive, but does take you further. And finally the servicing is more expensive.

I can't remember the exact figure, but it was something like eight years to make your money back by driving a diesel. A bit pointless really, unless you drive an artic.


Yeah, I think they're only generally brought in by Companies, as fleet cars.

You know the narrow minded type, those MD's that think - oh that car will do more miles per gallon, let's buy it :p:

Don't mind Diesals anyway - they're getting more competitive in the market, and performance wise getting better and better. Ant and Pete (antandpete.com IIRC) competeted in the Gumball last year (and this year) and finished 2nd in one... and Peagout are talking about taking part in the LeMans tourny in a Diesal :)

Roy MM
18-06-2005, 00:33
Now why did i think this was about beer.? :beer: :drunk: :sick:

squiggs1982
18-06-2005, 01:16
Now why did i think this was about beer.? :beer: :drunk: :sick:

LOL! Tragically, not!:D

SlackDad
18-06-2005, 09:11
83.9 cheetham hill, manchester. unleaded. 89.9 for diesel!!!!!! :mad:

Lets have another petrol strike!! that was fun watching blair crap himself everyday!!

Or maybe a car strike ;)

Escapee
18-06-2005, 09:18
Yeah, I think they're only generally brought in by Companies, as fleet cars.

You know the narrow minded type, those MD's that think - oh that car will do more miles per gallon, let's buy it :p:

Don't mind Diesals anyway - they're getting more competitive in the market, and performance wise getting better and better. Ant and Pete (antandpete.com IIRC) competeted in the Gumball last year (and this year) and finished 2nd in one... and Peagout are talking about taking part in the LeMans tourny in a Diesal :)

I am running my second diesel car, I did consider a petrol one this time though. I looked at how cheap secondhand prices were between equiv petrol - diesel cars, then worked out fuel cost for the 33K miles I travel every year.

The diesel worked out cheaper, servicing is no different apart from more frequent oil changes. As I dont have servicing carried out at a garage the servicing cost difference is minimal.

If I was working closer to home, I would of chosen a petrol car though.

Nidge
18-06-2005, 09:59
This is how to get petrol down, don't buy from the petrol making companies (BP,SHELL,ESSO) only buy from the indepentant suppliers and shops (TESCO,ASDA,SAINSBURY).

this will enable them to drop prices forcing the big names to follow suit to sell the stuff.

Just not buy petrol just cuts you're own throat

Supermarket petrol is bad for your car, avoid at all cost.

BBKing
18-06-2005, 10:42
So, they could have already had 40p of your pound before you buy the fuel

Er, no. About 33% for a good salary, remember the 40% doesn't kick in until quite a decent wage level is reached. Plus allowances.

85.9 here yesterday, was 79.9 only a few weeks ago, so it's shot up rather a lot. I've started working a couple of days a week at home now, which is another good green option when you don't physically have to be somewhere.

The higher the price the closer it comes to the £8.40 or so per day it would cost on the train, albeit with a longer journey time. That's less than 10 litres now, and I can count on using about 2 gallons a day (36 miles each way at about 36 mpg), which is a bit over 9 litres. Pretty close even before you take insurance and depreciation into account.

Paul K
18-06-2005, 10:55
Supermarket petrol is bad for your car, avoid at all cost.
Found this elsewhere, still looking for some sort of linkage to information
Q: Is it true that the fuel sold at supermarket petrol stations is not of the same quality as that as you would buy from a dedicated petrol station?
Alex Wells

A: According to the Petrol Retailers Association, there is no difference between the standard petrol you buy from supermarkets or franchised petrol stations. In most cases the petrol and diesel is even produced at the same refinery and delivered in the same trucks.

The exception to this is specialist fuels, such as Shell's Optimax and BP's Ultimate. In their case, the fuel is enhanced with additives, which produce that brand's particular properties.

Nidge
18-06-2005, 11:48
Found this elsewhere, still looking for some sort of linkage to information

My cousin works for a big Oil Company in Aberdeen who shall remain nameless, what happens when the oil is refined is the big 4, BP, SHELL, ESSO and TEXACO all refine their oil at their refineries, there is a residue left which is of no good to the the big 4, the supermarkets come along and buy the residue then have it refined again, all the goodness has been taken out of this residue due to it being refined a 2nd time. What happens is you have a low grade fuel which can damage your engine for example, coking up of valves, engine running at a high temperature, piston rings being burnt out due to high running temp, injectors becoming fouled up, less MPG.

When he told me about it I said yeah right pull the other one, he said give it a go, bear in mind I do 40,000 miles per year as a cabbie so better fuel consumption is high on my list. Off I went to ESSO I put normal diesel in and after a about 50 miles I noticed the difference the car was more responsive, less noise, better MPG.

Since then I've steered clear of supermarket fuel.

A guy who works with us has a Mondeo petrol, he was having trouble with his performance, he took it to the Ford dealer in Mansfield who said to him straight away you've been using Supermarket fuel haven't you?? He said how do you know, the mechanic said your valves are knackered they are all coked up with a hard white substance, a new set of valves sorted it now he steers clear of Tesco Asda and Morrisons fuel, he uses BP or SHELL, he said his car has never run so good.

Tuftus
18-06-2005, 17:09
errmm Diesel has been more expensive than unleaded for years




Diesel is more expensive than standard U/L - and about the same as Super U/L.


I am well aware of this, I was referring to the recent price hikes ;)

AndrewJ
18-06-2005, 17:11
I always use Shell.

Tuftus
18-06-2005, 17:11
I always use who is cheapest... :D

Maggy
18-06-2005, 18:02
Unleaded is still 84.90 round here... ;)

iain_herts
18-06-2005, 18:20
would this fuel be the same also for tesco's petrol station as alot of them are now esso stations

Jules
18-06-2005, 20:31
I haven't got a clue how much petrol is around here as I never pay for it, I send my beloved to fill it up :D

Maggy
18-06-2005, 20:34
I haven't got a clue how much petrol is around here as I never pay for it, I send my beloved to fill it up :D

Well I hold the purse strings and the family car is MINE!!! So I fill her up. ;) I'm an independant woman me...Mind it's more the case that I get a better deal for the car insurance. ;)

Jules
18-06-2005, 20:36
I have money I also have my own car but if he loves me enough to fill it for me who am I to say no :D

fisheddie
20-06-2005, 12:14
just reply back to the supermarket fuel again:

i find the Tesco petrol quality can be vert different, even in the same garage on different days! and ASDA petrol has never been good, probably the worst i have ever tried.

But recently Tesco had some high performance fuel(RON100? ?) out available in the south, and i remember seeing some positive reviews on some other forums! saying it's just like Optimax from shell but cheaper!

orangebird
20-06-2005, 12:16
And Deisels getting almost as bad...

Almost?? I filled up yesterday - 91.9p a litre!!! :eeek:

pop80_uk
20-06-2005, 12:22
It has been predicted that by the end of 2005 it will be £1.12 a litre,
this has come from a very well know anaylst.
Welcome to Britain!

Tuftus
20-06-2005, 12:31
It has been predicted that by the end of 2005 it will be £1.12 a litre,
this has come from a very well know anaylst.
Welcome to Britain!

Should that not be welcome to RIP off Britain...

:(

Stuart
20-06-2005, 12:36
Why else would people buy the dirty smelly efforts that use it :p:

You forgot Noisy. OK, the new Diesel cars aren't that much worse than petrol, but I tried to learn in a diesel fiesta, and that sounded like a lorry.

orangebird
20-06-2005, 12:40
I love the sound of my diesel car. Very reassuring. :)

Tuftus
20-06-2005, 12:44
I love the performance of my deisel, my 2.0 HDi goes way better than the 1.8 16v I used to have!!!

bmxbandit
20-06-2005, 12:44
still 79.9p at the texaco at the end of my road :shrug:

i don't use much, so it's not a major worry if/when it skyrockets, but still...

Jules
20-06-2005, 12:54
Trouble is it is not like we have a choice, yes we can shop around and save a few pence but it isn't like with drink, cigs, take aways etc were we have a choice as to if we want to buy it or not.
If we want to run our cars we have to buy it, public transport prices are often hiked up if there is a rise in fuel charges and a push bike is not a option in many cases

Neil
20-06-2005, 13:09
I love the sound of my diesel car.

Am I the only one that finds that a little......strange? :erm: ;)

Bifta
20-06-2005, 13:48
99p a litre? Bugger that, I pay between 55-60p
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Am I the only one that finds that a little......strange? :erm: ;)

I love the sound of mine too! I have a beaky neighbour and waking her up with what sounds like a tank gives me just a little satisfaction

Millay
20-06-2005, 15:08
I love my Diesel, and an oil change is so easy to do yourself thers no excuse for paying a garage to do it, I dont choose where to get my derv from, my van tells me by stopping... I m sure if I wass to choose petrol, i owuld end up paying more in derv driving around looking for the cheapest.. although I was shocked the other day paying 95.9p a litre... something tells me fuel should not cost more than milk...

altis
20-06-2005, 15:29
Why not pick a more economical car next time? You might start by looking at one of these lists:

http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/downloads/latest.asp

For example, the 2005 Vauxhall Astra 1.4i 16v LPG works out at just £626 for 12000 miles worth of fuel compared to £2204 for the Frontera 3.2i V6 24v.

fisheddie
20-06-2005, 17:46
wow... i know that the fuel consumption can differ a lot! but £626 and £2204? ? ? isn't that a bit too much?

but LPG? how much does that conversion cost?

paulyoung666
20-06-2005, 18:18
Why not pick a more economical car next time? You might start by looking at one of these lists:

http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/downloads/latest.asp

For example, the 2005 Vauxhall Astra 1.4i 16v LPG works out at just £626 for 12000 miles worth of fuel compared to £2204 for the Frontera 3.2i V6 24v.


i was under the presumption that the fuel was roughly half the price , yet gave a mpg of 10% worse :erm: , or am i again confused :D :D :D

altis
20-06-2005, 21:25
The price of LPG has stayed very stable whilst petrol and diesel have been rising. I usually pay 36p / litre which is now nearer 1/3 the price of petrol. Yes, the fuel consumption of LPG vehicles was slighly worse but they are getting better as more engines are designed with this fuel in mind.

I am pretty sure the Astra is a Vauxhall option and not an aftermarket conversion. When I bought my new Daihatsu the LPG option cost £1000 but our nice government paid for 3/4 of that through the Powershift scheme. :)

But, even if you don't want to change fuels, the tables in the link given above can still point you to a cheap-to-run vehicle.

Wicked_and_Crazy
20-06-2005, 21:36
I am well aware of this, I was referring to the recent price hikes ;)

in which case you will reaslie that it has gone up in line with Petrol

Tuftus
20-06-2005, 21:50
in which case you will reaslie that it has gone up in line with Petrol

Indeed, hence my comment... ;)

kronas
24-06-2005, 04:16
looks like diesel is on its way up to as high as £1 per litre

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4124810.stm

andygrif
24-06-2005, 09:58
It has been predicted that by the end of 2005 it will be £1.12 a litre,
this has come from a very well know anaylst.
Welcome to Britain!

I'm not sure about that....there is a physcological barrier at 99.9p I think - when people start paying £1 a litre they're going to start really complaining. So the industry will probably find another unit of measure to deliver the fuel - perhaps centiltres - it's only 12p/cl sir!!!

bmxbandit
24-06-2005, 10:01
still 79.9p at the texaco at the end of my road :shrug:
anyone in nottingham, derby road next to the savoy ;)

bizarrely, the texaco a mile down the road is about 4p/l more expensive!

simon9975
24-06-2005, 13:02
In grimsby we have one garage albeit independant but the prices are

Unleade 94.9p
Diesel 95.9p

Cheapest i found here is at morrisons 83.9p