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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3175815.stm
So would you want to see him back on your TV screens?
blackthorn
24-08-2003, 13:03
Short answer, NO
If he ever did come back on our screens, I`d refuse to watch him.
aliferste
24-08-2003, 13:19
Nah......he trys to be funny too much !
Well I never watched him in the first place because I didn't find his style of "humour" amusing, but whilst the guy has made mistakes he isn't guilty of any crimes, so why should he be penalised?
i think he should resume his career because he has not done anything wrong really
blackthorn
24-08-2003, 13:40
If he isnt guilty of anything, why did he accept a caution from the police regarding possesion of cannabis and for allowing his property to be used for the smoking of cannabis?
So its ok for him to take drugs and then entertain children?
Not in my morals it isnt!
Rara Avis
24-08-2003, 13:41
Does it matter is he's on the box or not? Either people will watch or they won't. If the viewing figures flop consistantly, then he'll disappear eventually.
Never watched him much in the past, don't suppose that will change now. But he had a good fan base, it will be interesting to see what happens to it.
Originally posted by blackthorn
If he isnt guilty of anything, why did he accept a caution from the police regarding possesion of cannabis and for allowing his property to be used for the smoking of cannabis?
So its ok for him to take drugs and then entertain children?
Not in my morals it isnt!
cannabis is a drug but its not a hard drug the legalisation of it was put forward but nothing has happend on that front if he is 'clean' then why shouldnt he be allowed to get on with his job ?
dieselking
24-08-2003, 13:58
Errrr, in one word NO
Rara Avis
24-08-2003, 14:02
Originally posted by kronas
why shouldnt he be allowed to get on with his job ?
He doesn't work in a vacuum and needs to be employed by others. He can't get on with his job if people don't employ him and the TV industry is worth millions, they won't be prepared to risk their money on what they think is a bad risk.
Barrymore was a 'family' entertainer, his new worthy behaviour takes him out of that arena. I'd think that if he wanted to be seen on TV or elsewhere then he'd have to change his target audience. Then he might be seen as acceptable. His being homosexual wouldn't have been a problem as such but drug fuelled gay parties (not a problem for me, but if it hits the headlines, well, problem there) where a person dies in suspicious circumstances is not good publicity for that sort of media image.
He may not have done anything wrong himself, but running with the bad boys means that you've been in the race, , and it looks like Barrymore has lost, big time.
blackthorn
24-08-2003, 14:04
So how long do you have to be "clean" for before its ok to restart your career? 1 year 2 years or what?
A convicted drunk taxi or bus driver wouldnt be allowed to go back on the roads until he`s served a ban and proved he`s "clean" before he`s allowed to be ferrying the public around.
So its ok for kids to be entertained by this creep.
Originally posted by blackthorn
A convicted drunk taxi or bus driver wouldnt be allowed to go back on the roads until he`s served a ban and proved he`s "clean" before he`s allowed to be ferrying the public around.
So its ok for kids to be entertained by this creep.
i think thats rather an extreme view on things he did a bit of cannabis so what ?
i mean its not a hard drug really and if he accepts the fact he will have to 'clean' himself up and provide good preformances that people WANT to see........
as someone said earlier the ratings and ticket sales will show how well he can do to bounce back
Richard Bacon was brought back on TV and he was caught with a much harder drug.....
The TV industry are have always employed people after having problems with drugs, look at 'Steve MacDonald' in Coronation Street, Granada payed to put him through the priory, and 'Curly Watts' and 'Les Battersby'.
I personally cant stand the man, I think they should spend the money on John Lesley and give him his job back, its terrible whats happened to him, and he hasn't even done anything. :rolleyes:
Rara Avis
24-08-2003, 14:27
I don't think it's the drugs that are bothering them, think its more the sex scandal that's lurking.
Now john lesley, there's a man I really don't like. Never have, just grates against me. Must be his personality.
Originally posted by Rara Avis
I don't think it's the drugs that are bothering them, think its more the sex scandal that's lurking.
what because barrymore is gay thats just plain ignorance i judge a person in the entertainment business on preformance not sexuality
Rara Avis
24-08-2003, 14:38
Not becasue he's gay, but the whole party thing that was going on with the drugs. Allegations were made about that particular party and sexual goings on there. I think they might just see it as a bi ttoo much for a family entertainers image.
Angus Deayton was given the boot for his behaviour with call girls and drugs. The BBC just thought it was too much and too much media attention was given to that side of him.
The same has happened to Barrymore. He's more than just his act now. Shame.
Originally posted by Rara Avis
Not becasue he's gay, but the whole party thing that was going on with the drugs. Allegations were made about that particular party and sexual goings on there.
thats private as long as it stays private thats fine and as nothing came of the allegations i dont think he should be ashamed of anything
Originally posted by Rara Avis
I think they might just see it as a bi ttoo much for a family entertainers image.
there are other so called 'entertainers' out there who have done something that they have regreted but still go about there usual business so why cant he ?
Originally posted by Rara Avis
Angus Deayton was given the boot for his behaviour with call girls and drugs. The BBC just thought it was too much and too much media attention was given to that side of him.
i dont know much about why he was axed but if that was the case they were right to sack him
Originally posted by Rara Avis
The same has happened to Barrymore. He's more than just his act now. Shame.
how ?
i mean hes still the same person im not a fan of his at all but ill still state what i think on the matter
It's nothing to do with Barrymore's sexuality, it's the public perception. He will always be associated with that man's death and TV producers look at it from the perspective of whether or not advertisers will want their brands associated with programmes that Barrymore is on.
Originally posted by Russ D
It's nothing to do with Barrymore's sexuality, it's the public perception. He will always be associated with that man's death and TV producers look at it from the perspective of whether or not advertisers will want their brands associated with programmes that Barrymore is on.
the perception thing i understand but did he was he the cause of the guys death ?
Originally posted by kronas
the perception thing i understand but did he was he the cause of the guys death ?
According to the law, no. But the fact remains that people will connect him to a death which some see (rightly or wrongly) as sexually-related.
Originally posted by Russ D
According to the law, no. But the fact remains that people will connect him to a death which some see (rightly or wrongly) as sexually-related.
russ im my eye if your cleared then fine you can go about doing your daily thing which for him is doing shows etc
and face it, it is partly about his sexuality and also the connection to the other persons death
i dont see him diffarently or would treat him diffarently its still the same person :rolleyes:
I think the only thing he did wrong was runaway, finding someone floating in your pool it isn't the first thing you do, runaway! It made him seem guilty of something.
You're missing the point: Barrymore's work is predominantly commercial. TV producers get a healthy slice of the advertising fees that companies pay to be shown in ad breaks between programmes. Previously to that incident I could invisage companies such as Pampers and other child-related product manufacturers wanting to buy in to Barrymore's popularity, but I cannot see that happening now. His reputation has been tarnished (even though he's innocent) so advertisers wouldn't want to have their family-orientated brands associated with a man who (rightly or wrongly) has a stain on his character. The producers of his programmes would lose a large chunk of their funding, making him too much of a liability.
Originally posted by Russ D
You're missing the point: Barrymore's work is predominantly commercial. TV producers get a healthy slice of the advertising fees that companies pay to be shown in ad breaks between programmes. Previously to that incident I could invisage companies such as Pampers and other child-related product manufacturers wanting to buy in to Barrymore's popularity, but I cannot see that happening now. His reputation has been tarnished (even though he's innocent) so advertisers wouldn't want to have their family-orientated brands associated with a man who (rightly or wrongly) has a stain on his character. The producers of his programmes will lose a large chunk of their funding, and everyone makes a loss.
i know how it works russ and i know what your saying :)
but the ratings and ticket sales will speak for themselves he just needs to be given a chance
Yes they will, but who will give him a chance when he's seen as such a liability?
Originally posted by Russ D
Yes they will, but who will give him a chance when he's seen as such a liability?
he has had a fairly good career his popularity has remained throughout the real test will be can he still entertain people in the same way or will most people associate him with a murder he did not have a part in or maybe his sexuality or even his drugs use thats one for the public
and from past incidents there are alot of 'misunderstood' people (saying it in the nicest possible way) out there who will judge him for those things
Rara Avis
24-08-2003, 15:30
Originally posted by kronas
how ?
i mean hes still the same person im not a fan of his at all but ill still state what i think on the matter
Do i have to explain again? He's a media personality, not a human when it comes to enterainment and the media.
Of course he's allowed to live his life as he wants to, and I'm not denying that. I'm giving you my opinion of how the media industry works. It's not an ideal world and this sort of thing happens all the time. Barrymore would be naive to think that this wouldn't affect his career. As I said, he's a family entertainer and he'll need to change his target audience not leave TV completely. I also didn't say that it was his sexuality that made him a no-go area, being gay isn't the problem, it's the way his lifestyle was presented in the media. Barrymore is a media 'product', to be bought and sold. I'm not talking about the man and his private life.
It's a shame he will be judged. But that's what happens in the world of work. Your reputation fiollows you round. It's called life and we have to live it. You know the rules and you play by them or try to cheat.
Sometimes you get caught.
Originally posted by Rara Avis
Do i have to explain again? He's a media personality, not a human when it comes to enterainment and the media.
Of course he's allowed to live his life as he wants to, and I'm not denying that. I'm giving you my opinion of how the media industry works. It's not an ideal world and this sort of thing happens all the time. Barrymore would be naive to think that this wouldn't affect his career. As I said, he's a family entertainer and he'll need to change his target audience not leave TV completely. I also didn't say that it was his sexuality that made him a no-go area, being gay isn't the problem, it's the way his lifestyle was presented in the media. Barrymore is a media 'product', to be bought and sold. I'm not talking about the man and his private life.
It's a shame he will be judged. But that's what happens in the world of work. Your reputation fiollows you round. It's called life and we have to live it. You know the rules and you play by them or try to cheat.
Sometimes you get caught.
The problem for entertainers and celebrities is that the public expects them to be role models i.e. to set a good example to the rest of us and by and large they do that.
However, there are certain things that the public won't tolerate and celebrities who choose to lead a life style that involves illegal drugs, kinky sex, pornography and paedophila fall into that category.
In Michael Barrymore's case, the betrayal of his wife, the drugs, the fact that he was a family entertainer exposed to be gay and the death under suspicious circumstances of a guest at his home have all contributed to his downfall.
Personally, I don't want to watch a guy who was so self-centred and attention-seeking as to decline to answer questions at an inquest about the death of a fellow human being at his home. He's not that brilliant an entertainer and he doesn't really deserve to be back on our screens. I certainly won't miss him.
Originally posted by ntluser
The problem for entertainers and celebrities is that the public expects them to be role models i.e. to set a good example to the rest of us and by and large they do that.
However, there are certain things that the public won't tolerate and celebrities who choose to lead a life style that involves illegal drugs, kinky sex, pornography and paedophila fall into that category.
Absolutely. When my daughter is older, is she ever developed some kind of talent such as dancing, singing etc and Barrymore rolled in to town with his 'My Kind of People' show then I would not want her to have any part of it. I don't really see a problem with him going in to acting etc but his target audience has always seemed to be families, particularly children and the elderly. After all this I cannot see him being a presenter for any shows dedicated to these age groups.
Who cares.There will always be somebody to replace him.What he does in private is his own business but he made the mistake of not being careful about keeping it private.
Personally I never watched him before all this blew up so I'm not going to miss him at all.
There will be somebody just as dire to replace him.
Incog.:(
Originally posted by Rara Avis
Angus Deayton was given the boot for his behaviour with call girls and drugs. The BBC just thought it was too much and too much media attention was given to that side of him.
Actually, I believe Angus Deayton will be presenting a new show for the BBC. He was fired from Have I Got News For You because it was inappropriate for somebody who presented a show that takes the p*ss out of people for this sort of stuff was doing this sort of stuff.
Chimaera
24-08-2003, 19:23
I think what got up people's noses was the Martin Bashir interview he did - as if he was the innocent party, and refused to take any responsiblity for what happended.
Regardless of whether he actually took part in what happended, it all took place in his house - so surely he should feel some responsibility for what took place.
And I don't think he's ever apologised to Stuart Lubbock's parents either.
Rara Avis
24-08-2003, 19:34
Originally posted by scastle
Actually, I believe Angus Deayton will be presenting a new show for the BBC. He was fired from Have I Got News For You because it was inappropriate for somebody who presented a show that takes the p*ss out of people for this sort of stuff was doing this sort of stuff.
Yep, agreed. I was making a point about target audiences and appropriateness. I think I also said that Barrymore would have to change his if he wanted to work on TV from now on, just as the BBC has changed Deayton's. For me, Barrymore, has done nothing wrong, but his 'public disgrace' means that it will have an effect on his future work on TV. I can see him as an 'Adult' performer, but I don't think he can. I don't care what he ends up doing, as long as he drops the 'Awright!' ;-)
Can I just remind people at this point that for several years one of (if not *the most*) popular programmes on the BBC had an actor who was a convicted murderer.
This was a programme in a prime-time early evening slot watched by both adults and children.
Barrymore got a slap on the wrist for having a bit of cannabis and was hounded by the press.
Somehow the two don't equate.
Leslie Grantham, by any chance? If think the difference (again, rightly or wrongly) is that Barrymore's incident was strongly suspected to be sexually-related.
And of course if it is sexually related (especially because even though it's not illegal, Barrymore dared to be gay) it gives our gutter press even more opportunity to splash lurid details and ill-informed speculation throughout their pages.
The fact that he was found innocent (and, of course, was always innocent until proven guilty) is a mere technical irrelevance.
And of course if it is sexually related (especially because even though it's not illegal, Barrymore dared to be gay) it gives our gutter press even more opportunity to splash lurid details and ill-informed speculation throughout their pages.
Sadly that's the way the media works, as nasty as it is.
The fact that he was found innocent (and, of course, was always innocent until proven guilty) is a mere technical irrelevance
I'd say it's the deciding factor which means he can even be considered for film roles.
It's all about personal image - you ask the average person in the street what springs to mind when you mention Michael Barrymore's name and the chances are this whole sorry incident would be mentioned.
I used to love watching shows with Barrymore in - the one where the people cross the set to win the quiz was an early favourite of mine and I always used to watch my kind of music as well :) .
Now though I'm not sure. My television viewing habits have changed - I now only watch a very select few series, some live sport and some music (This is down vastly from what I used to watch) - also I don't know if I'd want to want to watch him anymore. I think i'd find his type of comedy old now and this stuff with his private life - whether he did anything wrong or not - would taint my view of him.
I'm sure Barrymore is still as funny as contracting cholera ... Someone needs to keep him off our TV screen's, fair play to the press for managing to get him to put a cork in it (which he probably did on a daily basis) for at least a while, the only downside of course was watching him and Martin Bashir, another travesty of TV programming.
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