View Full Version : do you think your being under payed ?
well spare a thought for the people in countries where work is hard to come across.......
in an annual 'big mac index' by the swiss bank ubs a kenyan worker must work for three hours in order to have enough money to buy a big mac compaired to los angeles where it takes 10 mins work but londoners have to work for 16 mins before they get there big mac
also if you want to buy a kilo bread you only need to work for 6 mins in london which along with zurich and frankfurt is the least amount of time anywhere in the world
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3170127.stm
Originally posted by kronas
well spare a thought for the people in countries where work is hard to come across.......
in an annual 'big mac index' by the swiss bank ubs a kenyan worker must work for three hours in order to have enough money to buy a big mac compaired to los angeles where it takes 10 mins work but londoners have to work for 16 mins before they get there big mac
also if you want to buy a kilo bread you only need to work for 6 mins in london which along with zurich and frankfurt is the least amount of time anywhere in the world
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3170127.stm
Well, i'm in london.... and if i walked into a shop and asked for a kilo of bread.... I could work for the rest of my life and still only get a weird look instead of a loaf :p
Kronie :wavey: :kiss:
paulyoung666
23-08-2003, 18:14
excuse me , your point is ??????????????
yes i do think i am underpaid , try going up and down 30 / 40 flights of stairs every day with a toolbag weighing at least 25 kilos , if you can manage that then tell me i am not underpaid :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
;)
Originally posted by kink
Well, i'm in london.... and if i walked into a shop and asked for a kilo of bread.... I could work for the rest of my life and still only get a weird look instead of a loaf :p
Kronie :wavey: :kiss:
lol :luv:
Originally posted by paulyoung666
excuse me , your point is ??????????????
my point is before people complain about being underpaid they should think how lucky they are that they are getting payed so much granted diffarent living standards need to be taken in to consideration but well you know what to do if you dont like your pay sling yer hook sonny :p or ask the boss for a pay rise :eek:
Originally posted by paulyoung666
yes i do think i am underpaid , try going up and down 30 / 40 flights of stairs every day with a toolbag weighing at least 25 kilos , if you can manage that then tell me i am not underpaid :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
no one forces you to do that
Originally posted by kronas
no one forces you to do that Maby his mortgage forces him to?
Originally posted by Ramrod
Maby his mortgage forces him to?
to simplify it look for another job
paulyoung666
23-08-2003, 18:45
Originally posted by Ramrod
Maby his mortgage forces him to?
no it doesnt i was just pointing out that i work bloody hard ;)
and feel underpaid for what i do :p :p
paulyoung666
23-08-2003, 18:45
Originally posted by Ramrod
Maby his mortgage forces him to?
and no it doesnt either ;)
Originally posted by kronas
to simplify it look for another job
Well, i'm afraid if it was as easy as that.. there would be lots of people changing jobs as we speak :eek: Finding the right job is not easy.. finding a job is easier :( But then he could be stuck in the same position he is now :shrug:
Then again... maybe paul loves his job but doesn't feel that he's paid enough for what he does, compared to his colleagues, people doing the same job elsewhere... many reasons :)
How about that paul? Are you going to swear at me today? :naughty: :p
Originally posted by paulyoung666
and no it doesnt either ;) Then like Kronas said.....:D
In truth, I think most people would say they are underpaid. Can you imagine anyone saying they are overpaid? I doubt it..
I often feel underpaid in my job, but I do know there are people worse off than me.
Originally posted by scastle
In truth, I think most people would say they are underpaid. Can you imagine anyone saying they are overpaid? I doubt it..
I often feel underpaid in my job, but I do know there are people worse off than me. I'm paid about right:D
kink saidThen again... maybe paul loves his job but doesn't feel that he's paid enough for what he does, compared to his colleagues, people doing the same job elsewhere... many reasons
I have been in that situation myself, I have never ever made a complaint saying I should be paid more but I have pointed out people on the same or lower grades, often with less skills who were being paid more.
It happened a lot in some departments in ntl, perhaps CS and Customer support roles were not affected as much because they had a defined salary/grade band. I found that one person who was as much use as a chocolate fireguard was getting £6k a year more than me, It couldn't be rectified because the company had introduced a maximum 5% increase for employees.
The company then set about sorting out this shambles:rolleyes:
I know instances where employees, good employees were being paid much lower than the grade of job they were doing. The company regraded them to a lower position to justify the lower wages they were being paid, and they were still expected to carry out the tasks of the higher grade. I know one guy had to drop 2 levels from Manager to Engineer because they wern't paying him enough!
Another guy I know was threatened with disciplinary procedures if he didn't sign a new contract that was dropping him down a grade, with some help from a friend:wavey: he got his problem sorted out and the slimeball manager got a lot of egg on his face.
:D :D :D
Peoples complaints about pay are not allways about greed, they are very often about fair play.:eek:
paulyoung666
23-08-2003, 19:52
@ kink no im not going to fu**ing swear at you today , i have lost the plot totally today , im not with it at the moment on account of being up since 4-00 am this morning for my underpaid job ;) , maybe tomorrow i will look at this thread and contribute summat useful , as for now i am going to go to sleepy land and dream of not getting up at 4-00 am tomorrow morning :mad: :mad: :mad: ;)
Originally posted by paulyoung666
@ kink no im not going to fu**ing swear at you today , i have lost the plot totally today , im not with it at the moment on account of being up since 4-00 am this morning for my underpaid job ;) , maybe tomorrow i will look at this thread and contribute summat useful , as for now i am going to go to sleepy land and dream of not getting up at 4-00 am tomorrow morning :mad: :mad: :mad: ;)
Goodnight then Paul Download Failed (1)
Sweet dreams......
Originally posted by paulyoung666
@ kink no im not going to fu**ing swear at you today , i have lost the plot totally today , im not with it at the moment on account of being up since 4-00 am this morning for my underpaid job ;) , maybe tomorrow i will look at this thread and contribute summat useful , as for now i am going to go to sleepy land and dream of not getting up at 4-00 am tomorrow morning :mad: :mad: :mad: ;) What job do you do Paul?
Originally posted by paulyoung666
no it doesnt i was just pointing out that i work bloody hard ;)
and feel underpaid for what i do :p :p
Here bloody here, I helped my mrs out for a week or so which entailed hauling 20 kilo boxes up two narrow flights of stairs in the heat we've just experienced for 10 hours a day and for what? £4.20 an hour, a couple of day's after this I spent around 3 hours developing a user management script in ASP coupled with MS SQL Server and got paid 800 notes for it, there's no justice and I personally I think manual labour should command a little more than minimum wage as the people doing it have to put in a hell of a lot more effort than those that sit on their arses all day in front of a PC (I qualify this by having now done both types of job ;))
Originally posted by Bifta
Here bloody here, I helped my mrs out for a week or so which entailed hauling 20 kilo boxes up two narrow flights of stairs in the heat we've just experienced for 10 hours a day and for what? £4.20 an hour, a couple of day's after this I spent around 3 hours developing a user management script in ASP/SQL server and got paid 800 notes for it ... I think manual labour should command a little more than minimum wage as the people doing it have to put in a hell of a lot more effort than those that sit on their arses all day in front of a PC (I qualify this by having now done both types of job ;)) mmmm....but the manual labourer dosn't need any skill or training, thats why he gets different money. If he is capable of doing a skilled job, he does it and gets paid more (and dosn't have to do the manual job)
.....stating the bleedin obvious:D
Putting it another way.....anyone can do the manual job but not everyone can do the skilled job. Which is why it is better paid.
Originally posted by Ramrod
mmmm....but the manual labourer dosn't need any skill or training, thats why he gets different money. If he is capable of doing a skilled job, he does it and gets paid more (and dosn't have to do the manual job)
.....stating the bleedin obvious:D
Obviously ;) But, the whole "you're thick so you get minimum wage" is still criminal, in fact, the minimum wage itself is criminal, some of my partners staff work full time, earn £4.20 an hour and probably take home around £550 a month, factor in a mortage/rent and any other expenses and I'm mystified as to how the government expect people to survive.
Originally posted by Bifta
Obviously ;) But, the whole "you're thick so you get minimum wage" is still criminal, in fact, the minimum wage itself is criminal, some of my partners staff work full time, earn £4.20 an hour and probably take home around £550 a month, factor in a mortage/rent and any other expenses and I'm mystified as to how the government expect people to survive. True, but the other side of the coin is the case of a friend of mine who is the MD/owner of a software company. He has taken on many a graduate on minimum wage and they are now on £30-£40k a year, which they wouldn't be if he couldn't have afforded to take them on initially.
Another thought......employers who need minimum wage staff are often in businesses that are operating on slim margins because of the high cost of leases/rates/utilities. As soon as you go into business the bast*rds are lining up to stiff you.....for example, I paid almost £100 pounds in bank charges last month just to deposit money! (into a 0% interest account!)
If the minimum wage is put up a lot people will actually not get jobs because it won't be worth it for the employers to take them on.
Bifta saidsome of my partners staff work full time, earn £4.20 an hour and probably take home around £550 a month, factor in a mortage/rent and any other expenses and I'm mystified as to how the government expect people to survive.
I agree, companies expecting people to spend X amount per month on their services obviously don't realise how many people are actually earning the minimum wage or just above it.
When they have paid Mortgage, rates, and utility bills how can they afford to socialise ie: drink smoke, or buy things like Broadband, digital TV and mobile phones, DVD's, videos etc.
I honestly can't see how some people survive, except of course where the government makes peoples wages up if they are married, own their own home and have kids. I have respect for these people working, but I take exception to it because it actually encourages companies to offer lower rates of pay.
They know the government is in reality paying part of the wages, and that's why the jobcentre has many highly skilled jobs advertised that are paying peanuts. :(
grum1978
23-08-2003, 20:43
I can't grumble at the wage i get for doing this ;) :p
My other job though OH BOY!!! :(
Chimaera
23-08-2003, 20:47
Well I'm underpaid by about 6k a year comparing my job with neighbouring London boroughs, and I have 3 adults to support on my salary, and university fees to pay - all out of £16k!!
I will apply for other jobs as they become available, but I can;t work too far away from home as my mother depends on me being available at short notice - she has a chronic illness and i need to be fairly close.
Chimaera
23-08-2003, 20:47
Originally posted by grum1978
I can't grumble at the wage i get for doing this ;) :p
My other job though OH BOY!!! :(
Errrm - can i ask?
Your OTHER job???
grum1978
23-08-2003, 20:48
*cough* ntl *cough*
Originally posted by Ramrod
for example, I paid almost £100 pounds in bank charges last month just to deposit money! (into a 0% interest account!)
If the minimum wage is put up a lot people will actually not get jobs because it won't be worth it for the employers to take them on.
Heh, I've had to switch to quarterly billing for my customers, lumping each recurring monthly charge into a single invoice to avoid paying extortionate charges for my bank to "handle cheques".
Originally posted by Bifta
to avoid paying extortionate charges for my bank to "handle cheques". Yes, 25p per cheque after the first 30 and 50p per £100 cash :afire: . They imposed these charges without informing us about them first...
So I'm off to find a new bank:2up: Barclays:2up:
paulyoung666
24-08-2003, 17:42
Originally posted by Ramrod
What job do you do Paul?
chemical plant fitter heavy hard work at times , when it has been hot up here in the north it has been at least 46 degreesc in the plants , couple that with lots of spanner and hammer work it really does take it out of you , i get around £20000 / year , not bad you say , but ................. , there are people at my place getting more than that for shuffling ****ing paper round desks with a dammed sight less responsibility to boot , it makes me blood boil it does :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Originally posted by paulyoung666
chemical plant fitter heavy hard work at times , when it has been hot up here in the north it has been at least 46 degreesc in the plants , couple that with lots of spanner and hammer work it really does take it out of you , i get around £20000 / year , not bad you say , but ................. , there are people at my place getting more than that for shuffling ****ing paper round desks with a dammed sight less responsibility to boot , it makes me blood boil it does :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Sounds dangerous as well:(
If your not happy, quietly look for a new job ;)
paulyoung666
25-08-2003, 14:01
Originally posted by Ramrod
Sounds dangerous as well:(
If your not happy, quietly look for a new job ;)
ive been noisily looking for another job but nowt has hapened yet :(
zoombini
25-08-2003, 19:22
I do wish people would not just say "look for another job" as if it was easy.
Finding another job that is what you are qualified/experienced at that pays more than your on is damn hard and can take years.
Its a damn sight harder than just typing it on here!
Get real, there are not that many jobs out there that pay you what you should expect to get payed.
Originally posted by zoombini
I do wish people would not just say "look for another job" as if it was easy.
Finding another job that is what you are qualified/experienced at that pays more than your on is damn hard and can take years.
Its a damn sight harder than just typing it on here!
Get real, there are not that many jobs out there that pay you what you should expect to get payed.
im not saying its easy i was merely pointing out that some people should not whinge too much as they are alot better off then others
if you work hard you should get promoted if you have a good boss and is job dependant ofcourse
paulyoung666
25-08-2003, 19:32
Originally posted by kronas
im not saying its easy i was merely pointing out that some people should not whinge too much as they are alot better off then others
if you work hard you should get promoted if you have a good boss and is job dependant ofcourse
regardless of whether or not some of us are better off than others , it still ****es me off when i consider i am underpaid , please dont turn this thread into a flame war kronas , thank you ;)
Bug Infestation
25-08-2003, 19:32
It's all well and good to say we are better off than others,
:nono: Edit - Please don't post personal insults on this site
Rara Avis
25-08-2003, 19:47
Originally posted by kronas
im not saying its easy i was merely pointing out that some people should not whinge too much as they are alot better off then others
if you work hard you should get promoted if you have a good boss and is job dependant ofcourse
Now if only life was that easy.
IMHO, I believe that in a lot of civil service jobs and some others, promotion is reliant on an internal interview, where you are up against others who also want the post. This is all done in the name of equality and to fight any sort of favouritism. Sounds good right? The problem is, however good at your job you are, if you're crap at doing interviews and the other person outshines you, it doesn't matter how much better you are than your colleague. Getting another job that you WANT is not as easy as it would seem, or we'd all be moving on to pastures new :)
Originally posted by zoombini
I do wish people would not just say "look for another job" as if it was easy.
Finding another job that is what you are qualified/experienced at that pays more than your on is damn hard and can take years.
Its a damn sight harder than just typing it on here!
Get real, there are not that many jobs out there that pay you what you should expect to get payed. Of course thats true but if you don't look you won't have a hope of bettering your situation.
btw... I don't necessarily mean a different job, just a new place of work. I have done this a few times. always to a better paid position in a better environment.
paulyoung666
25-08-2003, 19:57
i have had offers of new jobs , sorry , doing the same job just somewhere else , but ............. i am not bettering myself with more pay , usually the same money , i dont see the point in moving to what potentially could be a nightmare , better the devil you know sometimes ;)
Originally posted by paulyoung666
regardless of whether or not some of us are better off than others , it still ****es me off when i consider i am underpaid , please dont turn this thread into a flame war kronas , thank you ;)
well you have missed the point of the thread then nevermind
Originally posted by Rara Avis
Now if only life was that easy.
IMHO, I believe that in a lot of civil service jobs and some others, promotion is reliant on an internal interview, where you are up against others who also want the post. This is all done in the name of equality and to fight any sort of favouritism. Sounds good right? The problem is, however good at your job you are, if you're crap at doing interviews and the other person outshines you, it doesn't matter how much better you are than your colleague. Getting another job that you WANT is not as easy as it would seem, or we'd all be moving on to pastures new :)
maybe the above happens but thats the way it works then so be it obviously it depends on what job you are in under diffarent conditions anything can happen
timewarrior2001
26-08-2003, 09:19
I used to be a carer for my mother. It meant I didnt show up on unemployment figures. So the government kindly paid me £3000 a year to look after a diabled person for 35 hours a week.
The rates are still very similar......I'm sure thats below min wage you know ;)
Originally posted by paulyoung666
i have had offers of new jobs , sorry , doing the same job just somewhere else , but ............. i am not bettering myself with more pay , usually the same money , i dont see the point in moving to what potentially could be a nightmare , better the devil you know sometimes ;) Very true, keep looking:)
Originally posted by paulyoung666
i have had offers of new jobs , sorry , doing the same job just somewhere else , but ............. i am not bettering myself with more pay , usually the same money , i dont see the point in moving to what potentially could be a nightmare , better the devil you know sometimes ;)
You should try NTL Tech Support! We started off on £11k and a little while later we call came in to work to be told we would all get a minimum rise of £3000 p.a. and less hours per week....
zoombini saidFinding another job that is what you are qualified/experienced at that pays more than your on is damn hard and can take years
I have no shortage of jobs being offered and at higher salary levels, but the bottom line is "I don't want to move to the other end of the country"
I think it's fair to say most skilled people can find a different job fairly quickly, but only if they are prepared to re-locate.
kronas saidif you work hard you should get promoted if you have a good boss and is job dependant ofcourse
kronas you're having a laugh now:D
I don't think it works like that in any company, I certainly know lots of instances where the weakest candidates have been chosen for jobs/promotion. I know many of the techs/engineers in ntl would back that claim.
Sometimes people are promoted to get them out of the way, I am sure we have all seen jobs created for less than usefull employees whilst the best person for the job suffers morale problems and no-one wins except the less than useless person who keeps the job that they were moved to because their old job was redundant. (Round pegs and square holes)
These people often believe that they are good at their job, then reality strikes when they are redundant and find they are unemployable.:rolleyes:
preacher
06-09-2003, 18:02
Well....I work...Here!
Here meaning Ntl and yes, I am soooo underpaid, as are the majority of people here!
Don't get me wrong, the pay is good, but with the hassle we have to put up with we do deserve a little more - or atleast a regular bonus scheme :p
I thought you guys had a bonus recently!
I understand they moved the goal posts so they didn't have to pay one of the rpevious ones thay promised though, then again that sort of thing has allways happened.
They did that to us back in 1996 when we exceeded our tagets and got a high bonus.:(
paulyoung666
08-09-2003, 21:52
Originally posted by Escapee
I thought you guys had a bonus recently!
I understand they moved the goal posts so they didn't have to pay one of the rpevious ones thay promised though, then again that sort of thing has allways happened.
They did that to us back in 1996 when we exceeded our tagets and got a high bonus.:(
and the same has just happened to me as well , make loads of money for the company and what do they do , move the goal posts so we have no chance :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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