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i didnt know where to really put this, i was going to put it in to my blog but i thought it may make a good topic.....
so as im going through life monitering whats happening around me and to me, building a background, a history and looking in to individuals and what i see i often wonder what life is about.....
you have all the nice things in life, whatever they maybe for each person as an individual whether it be a particular food, drink, clothing, or person, its often something that will create happiness or a 'feel good' factor, positive and creatively influencing them forward, whilst working, or hobbies increase a void of time which needs to be filled.
there is often a less forgiving time in human nature where certain members of the public do something which is ireprehensable, a murder, killing, shooting, stabbing, an indulgence in drugs and other such paraphernalia, but at the end of it why do it ? for retribution or a 'buzz' temporarily creating a 'thrill' ?
there are reasons why people do things the way they do, whether a person has picked up a particular trait or found something that is accoustomed to them its 'their way' but deemed right ?
i suppose what i am trying to say is doing all this and more.... what is the point of life in general ? maybe there is something more, it seems foolish not to denote the fact that happiness is simply easily created for some more than others, but at the end of the day with all the money, food, happiness, freinds, family, and so on, what is the point to all this ?
as you can tell i dont enjoy life much ;)
Short but sweet point of view from yours truly, life is what YOU make it !!!!!
Short but sweet point of view from yours truly, life is what YOU make it !!!!!
very true, but not the type of answer i was looking for :) ofcourse your not wrong there, life is what you make it, even if you try and try maybe you will or wont get to your goal, whether it be a job or a particular activity, the point i am trying to make in general is what is the point of doing all these things ?
satisfaction ? what for ?
greed ?
temptation ?
after all you have done and been throught, its all just emotion or an external foundation, seems worthless.
Short but sweet point of view from yours truly, life is what YOU make it !!!!!
It certainly is, but, what other peeps make of / do to your life is a big factor
in general is what is the point of doing all these things ?
satisfaction ? what for ?
greed ?
temptation ?
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Satisfaction.......maybe
Greed...............not me
Temptation.......sometimes
I've had my times, thought, I want / need this or that but at the same time, I would give up the rat race to live " comfortable " ( not rich in money ) on some island somewhere in the sun............ I know, dream on
life is for sifting the diamonds (the good bits) from the mud (the shte that seems more prevalant nowadays). Or is it me just being cynical
Why do people always seem to think theres got to be a point to everything?
There is no point in life, we live, we die simple as that. Might aswel try to make the best we can out of the living part. By the best I dont even mean a big car, nice house, plastic wife, etc. I mean make as big an impact as you can, try and be selfless when apropriate, But dont let people walk all over you (Something I always find hard to stop, people always seem to take advantage of a giving nature). Basicly if you can keep the generations that follow you talking about you (For good reasons, no killing sprees please ;) ) then you have lived a phonomenal life.
Anyway, my 2p worth :)
There is too much involved in the world to just 'live' then 'die'. And who says death is the end? Perhaps it's just a transition. Perhaps we move on to another dimension that entities on this material plane will never know about.
There is too much involved in the world to just 'live' then 'die'. And who says death is the end? Perhaps it's just a transition. Perhaps we move on to another dimension that entities on this material plane will never know about.
Yes, and perhaps you just get slapped in a wooden box, buried 6 feet down and rot ... the end.
It's possible of course but seeing as energy cannot meet 'the end' (or so I'm told...), surely there's "more"?
It's possible of course but seeing as energy cannot meet 'the end' (or so I'm told...), surely there's "more"?
Sorry, didn't understand that.
Energy cannot die? It can only change form? Or have I got that wrong?
Energy cannot die? It can only change form? Or have I got that wrong?
Yes, it gets transformed into worm and plant food...
Energy cannot die? It can only change form? Or have I got that wrong?
Tell me what happens to the energy from a generator when it runs out of diesel. Does that go to heaven too?
There is too much involved in the world to just 'live' then 'die'. And who says death is the end? Perhaps it's just a transition. Perhaps we move on to another dimension that entities on this material plane will never know about.
Thats a possibility Russ, but without anything to go on since entities on this plane of existance are unaware of it, whats the point in making that supposition?
I think we should just live each day as it comes, be the best person we can and as I said earlier try and make sure our legacy lives on (For the right reasons).
I have also never seen anything to suggest there isnt more to the world then living and dying, as depressing as that may sound.
Tell me what happens to the energy from a generator when it runs out of diesel. Does that go to heaven too?
Who said I'm talking about heaven?
Tell me what happens to the energy from a generator when it runs out of diesel. Does that go to heaven too?
He is right actually energy doesnt die, it disperses (spelling?)
He is right actually energy doesnt die, it disperses (spelling?)
It's what I thought....
i think we're moving off topic here... :(
...but my 2p worth on the energy line is that the universe is made up of carbon...everything you see in the world and on other worlds is based on carbon. Therefore, when you die your basic carbon building blocks get recycled into something else.
I'm not talking about religious afterlives but the basic science of atoms....not any of this human-made control mechanisms...
I wasn't referring to religion either - I'm just trying to find common ground. Surely even the most agnostic (or scientific?) should agree that death isn't 'the end'?
I wasn't referring to religion either - I'm just trying to find common ground. Surely even the most agnostic (or scientific?) should agree that death isn't 'the end'?
Why should they agree that death isn't the end? As far as the individual is concerned, when their life is over, that's it. Whatever happens physically to their remains is of no consequence to them.
Because they usually are the ones who prefer to agree with science, and does science not say that energy cannot die?
Because they usually are the ones who prefer to agree with science, and does science not say that energy cannot die?
So what's your non-religious opinion?
Because they usually are the ones who prefer to agree with science, and does science not say that energy cannot die?
The energy may not die, but the person does. The energy/matter is then transformed into other bits. Worms, plants, rain clouds. Hardly a 'life after death' for the person involved.
So what's your non-religious opinion?
It's always been my opinion that our life force or 'energy' goes somewhere else. Before becoming a Christian, I had no idea where we went but I knew it was somewhere. Now of course I have more of an idea.
It's always been my opinion that our life force or 'energy' goes somewhere else. Before becoming a Christian, I had no idea where we went but I knew it was somewhere. Now of course I have more of an idea.
As much as energy doesn't die, it is not miraculously created. Your 'life force' comes from the food you take in, once you stop taking in food, your life force goes.
I equate life-force with energy - which (apparently) does not die, so what's the score? Am I wrong to compare the two?
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IMHO, energy is bound to matter. A spirit (the essence of your being) is not matter, nor energy, therefore, physical death is largely unimportant (in a sense). Materialistic science will never find common ground over the issue of the supernatural because it's own pre-conceptions disallow it's existance.
I equate life-force with energy - which (apparently) does not die, so what's the score? Am I wrong to compare the two?
I suppose it depends on what you mean with life-force. To me, that would be the energy that is created by taking in food, and that would go if you stop taking in food. If you are talking about some other life force (e.g. a soul), you're entering the meta-physical realm, and exiting the scientific, so the scientific fact that energy doesn't die is irrelevant.
andygrif
12-10-2004, 11:25
Ahh the old meaning of life question? The answer is 42 isn't it? Or has inflation pushed that up?
Kronas were you stoned when you wrote your original question? That's when most people discuss this subject.
To try and get away from religion for a moment, life is all about what you make of it.
It's also like a computer game....a series of tests, usually harder than the previous one and once you've finished you'll know a lot more than you did when you started the game.
It's also an opportunity to better yourself. If you live your life by a common sense series of rules (like not killing, stealing, etc) then you will be a better person, feel better about yourself and die happy.
If you don't, you'll be a worse person, feel bitter about the world and die miserable. It's your choice.
Tell me what happens to the energy from a generator when it runs out of diesel. Does that go to heaven too?
No, it gets transformed in to other forms of energy.. Sorry if the following sounds patronising.
Forgive me if I am wrong (I last studyed physics at school, a long time ago), but IIRC the Diesel is Chemical energy. This is converted by the engine in the generator to heat, light and sound waves. These are then converted into kinetic energy which is indirectly converted to electrical energy by the generator.
So, when the Diesel runs out, the generator, having converted most of the Chemical energy in the Diesel to electrical energy (no generator is 100% efficient, some energy will be wasted), it stops. The energy goes on to power whatever devices are plugged into the generator, which convert it to another form of energy (heat, light, kinetic etc).
Back on topic. Although I am agnostic, I agree with Russ on this. I don't believe in a soul as such, but I do believe that our life force is an energy which then carries on in another form when we die. A bit like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly.
Back to the original topic..
Kronas, People have been theorising on the meaning of life since people first appeared on the planet. Hell, if the Dinosaurs had had enough intelligence, they'd probably have wondered about it too..
I don't think anyone has found a definitive answer that can be proved for everyone. People have, from time to time, claimed to find the meaning of life, and I actually do know people who claim that their religion provides them with the meaning of life (usually to worship a God)*.
I think the meaning of life is different for different people. Some people need religion to provide it (I can think of a few forum members that would seem to fit in that category). Some people seek it through helping others. Others seek it through amassing loads of wealth. There are many ways people seek a meaning for their lives, some good, some bad.
I personally find that helping people, earning enough money that I can live comfortably, being nice to people and having friends to socialise with gives my life meaning.
*Note: The statement above is intended to say that people find religion helps give their life meaning, not to stat a religious argu... debate.
dilli-theclaw
12-10-2004, 20:12
I used to have an optimistic outlook on life and the reasons we are all here.
Now I don't.
huggy bear
12-10-2004, 20:37
I thought that the meaning of life was to aquire as many material possesions as possible in an attempt to make others envious of your status , house and car and than seek to build statues of yourself in a sort of gambit for immortality
I thought that the meaning of life was to aquire as many material possesions as possible in an attempt to make others envious of your status , house and car and than seek to build statues of yourself in a sort of gambit for immortalityNah....thats just Tony Blair :D :DI used to have an optimistic outlook on life and the reasons we are all here.
Now I don't.You have seen the light then :tu: . Hopefully you aren't 'down' about it though.......we are born, we reproduce, we die. No real difference between us atm and the mayfly (or insert your own insect/animal).
We will all be dust rather soon and everything we have done and acheived (with the exeption of reproducing) will be worth nothing in the long run.
Some might find that bleak but I would disagree. Live a full, helpful life. Be 'good' and do the best you can. Anything less is an insult to the miracle that put us here.
downquark1
12-10-2004, 21:39
From the evolutionary aspect, the purpose of life is to survive long enough to pass on your genes and ensuring your off-spring succeed. Some people take this to assume that sex is the meaning of life, however I would interpret this to mean that raising children is the meaning of life.
Maybe its the rebellious streak in me, but I would not accept any purpose and just say, your here so you may as well continue being here and do what seems most productive to you.
No, it gets transformed in to other forms of energy.. Sorry if the following sounds patronising.
Forgive me if I am wrong (I last studyed physics at school, a long time ago), but IIRC the Diesel is Chemical energy. This is converted by the engine in the generator to heat, light and sound waves. These are then converted into kinetic energy which is indirectly converted to electrical energy by the generator.
So, when the Diesel runs out, the generator, having converted most of the Chemical energy in the Diesel to electrical energy (no generator is 100% efficient, some energy will be wasted), it stops. The energy goes on to power whatever devices are plugged into the generator, which convert it to another form of energy (heat, light, kinetic etc).
Back on topic. Although I am agnostic, I agree with Russ on this. I don't believe in a soul as such, but I do believe that our life force is an energy which then carries on in another form when we die. A bit like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly.
Doesn't sound patronising at all, doesn't make any sense either though.
Generator full of diesel and running, light stay's on, generator out of diesel, stops running, light goes off. Where is the energy after the diesel has run out?
Doesn't sound patronising at all, doesn't make any sense either though.
Generator full of diesel and running, light stay's on, generator out of diesel, stops running, light goes off. Where is the energy after the diesel has run out?
Converted to heat, light and on some bulbs sound.
Converted to heat, light and on some bulbs sound.
Converted, past tense, I'm asking WHERE the energy is AFTER the fuel has run out, not during it's lifetime.
downquark1
12-10-2004, 22:42
Doesn't sound patronising at all, doesn't make any sense either though.
Generator full of diesel and running, light stay's on, generator out of diesel, stops running, light goes off. Where is the energy after the diesel has run out? No they are right, energy is only transformed into A) what you are powering and B) sound and waste heat of the machine.
If it is a hair dryer the energy is then lost as sound and heat through the room.
The energy is the deseal is released from the bonds between atoms. Its just hard to get the energy back to that stored state.
Ahh the old meaning of life question? The answer is 42 isn't it? Or has inflation pushed that up?
:rofl:
Kronas were you stoned when you wrote your original question? That's when most people discuss this subject.
no, i was merely in an inquisitive state :)
It's also an opportunity to better yourself. If you live your life by a common sense series of rules (like not killing, stealing, etc) then you will be a better person, feel better about yourself and die happy.
i think thats my overall mind state, except for the happinesss bit.
in all honesty i have seen some interesting points of view in this thread, apart from the energy arguments :p:
i suppose im just in an irratic mindstate, things seem pretty much worthless to me at the moment, having no drive and passion anymore really kills you in many places, your mind idely wanders, its a question thats proberbly best left to be answered when you die.
I'm sure alot of people don't understand what it feel likes to be in your position kronas but there are other's out there either in the same position or worse and they probably feel exactly like you but are probably better at hiding it.
What I hate is when you hear the so called experts spout on about putting on a brave face or giving off a happy signal to those all around you. They say making yourself feel happy will improve your life, ********! All it means is you're wearing a mask and hiding the real truth. If you go out with mates one evening what's the point in pretending to have a good time because as soon as you return home your alone again and end up in the same situation.
I know there are times when I'm suprised that I have the motivation to get out of bed and go to work to face the same monotonous, empty, boring day. It's just that I have nothing better to do.
I think life should be about finding that one person who motivates you to get out of bed in the morning and is the one reason to get back into at night.
iron25 i hear what you are saying, i think i am missing alot of things in life, so its breeding all this hidden tension within, im finding questions/feelings like the first becoming prominant.
Okay, this may sound a bit grim but if you had a loaded gun pointed at your head and you had to give one good reason not to pull the trigger, could you come up with one. Obviously, I'm using this gun thing as a metaphor.
Okay, this may sound a bit grim but if you had a loaded gun pointed at your head and you had to give one good reason not to pull the trigger, could you come up with one. Obviously, I'm using this gun thing as a metaphor.
i have been in a simaler situation not with a gun, the reason would be because i care for my family. (parents etc) how they would miss me, never forgive me for my actions.
The reason I would have to give is that nobody would come to my funeral, so why waste a bullet :D
The reason I would have to give is that nobody would come to my funeral, so why waste a bullet :D
:rofl: good answer :D
This is depressing, no matter how bad you think things are they are never as bad as they seem. Ive often found people get like this when they are too inwardly focused, weve all been there at one time or another, how long you stay there depends on just how inwardly focused you are in my experience.
Speaking about depression, the psychologist on tonight's episode of the Sopranos said that depression is anger turned inward on oneself.
andygrif
13-10-2004, 00:37
no generator is 100% efficient, some energy will be wasted)
Not that I wish to take this subejct back to energy, or appear pedantic....but what does the wasted energy turn into then? ;)
i suppose im just in an irratic mindstate, things seem pretty much worthless to me at the moment, having no drive and passion anymore really kills you in many places, your mind idely wanders, its a question thats proberbly best left to be answered when you die.
I think another point about life is that there are good times and bad times...if it was good all the time we'd be bored, or not appreciate them when they appear.
To quote Dennis Leary....
"Happiness comes in small doses...it's a cigarette, a chocolate chip cookie or a five second orgasm. You come, you smoke the cigarette, you eat the cookie, you go to sleep, you wake up and go to work...that's it...end of f**king list"!!
Not that I wish to take this subejct back to energy, or appear pedantic....but what does the wasted energy turn into then? ;)
Well, do you really want a generator to sound like that? the sound in itself is wasted energy, as is the heat and a lot of the kinetic energy.
So to answer your question the wasted energy turns into sound, heat & Kinetic energy.
Not that I wish to take this subejct back to energy, or appear pedantic....but what does the wasted energy turn into then? ;)
methane ? ;)
To quote Dennis Leary....
"Happiness comes in small doses...it's a cigarette, a chocolate chip cookie or a five second orgasm. You come, you smoke the cigarette, you eat the cookie, you go to sleep, you wake up and go to work...that's it...end of f**king list"!!
life is one big list! ;) that quote is true.
As an aside and sort of on topic, thats the beauty of forums like this, friendly places where you can post a question and gets answers from 'ALL', and I do mean all sorts of people, some of whom you regard as 'friends'.
It is discussions like this one that make this board (and those like it) show that t'internet isn't all about pr0n, the nasties and the other bad things we read about but something that can be used to share opinions and in some instances life experiences and views.
Sounds stupid I know as many of us may never meet in RL and may never communicate on a personal (email or PM level) and yet just reading back over this thread alone shows that there are still people ' out there' who do care.
To be perfectly honest daxx, I only stumbled across this forum whilst searching for porn :D
Perhaps I should start to broaden my horizon, plus I needed a larger hard disk :p:
To be perfectly honest daxx, I only stumbled across this forum whilst searching for porn :D
Perhaps I should start to broaden my horizon, plus I needed a larger hard disk :p::D and 113 posts later your still here :tu:, must be something about this place :erm:
:D and 113 posts later your still here :tu:, must be something about this place :erm:
i love it too!!! must start threads like these more often ;) :p:
Not that I wish to take this subejct back to energy, or appear pedantic....but what does the wasted energy turn into then? ;)
Not too sure (as I said, it's a long time since I studied Physics). I just remember our physics teacher drumming it in to us that no energy conversion is 100% efficient (he gave the example of solar panels, which, at that time converted 70% of the sunlight recieved into electricity and wasted the rest which was presumable dissipated as heat).
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