badnbusy
11-10-2004, 21:24
Im having a rather annoying problem to sites abroad.
When I traceroute them, the problem appears to be outside the ntl network each time, but ive got a hunch that the problem is still related to ntl somehow.
I have a server in the US, and here are the results to it:
Tracing route to ivhou-207-218-245-110.ev1.net
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 5 ms 7 ms 7 ms 1.1.1.1
2 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10.22.48.1
3 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms oldh-t2cam1-b-ge92.inet.ntl.com [80.5.164.129]
4 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms mant-t2core-b-ge-wan82.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242.205]
5 19 ms 11 ms 11 ms man-bb-b-so-130-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.174.22]
6 19 ms 19 ms 22 ms win-bb-a-so-300-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.138]
7 19 ms 19 ms 23 ms bre-bb-b-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.172.234]
8 20 ms 20 ms 19 ms telc-ic-1-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.117]
9 19 ms 23 ms 19 ms 195.66.226.185
10 97 ms 97 ms 97 ms p6-0.core02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.5]
11 97 ms 97 ms 101 ms p12-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.169]
12 97 ms 97 ms 108 ms p15-0.core01.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.13]
13 98 ms 97 ms 97 ms p4-0.core02.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.81]
14 113 ms 120 ms 120 ms p14-0.core01.atl01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.161]
15 117 ms 120 ms 132 ms p14-0.core01.mco01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.153]
16 121 ms 124 ms 120 ms p14-0.core01.tpa01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.142]
17 137 ms 136 ms 136 ms p5-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.45]
18 375 ms 358 ms 378 ms everyonesinternet.demarc.cogentco.com [38.112.12.186]
19 375 ms 386 ms 374 ms ivhou-207-218-245-110.ev1.net [207.218.245.110]
Now a trace FROM my server TO my ntl ip shows:
traceroute to 213.106.xxx.xxx (213.106.xxx.xxx), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 ev1s-66-98-186-1.ev1servers.net (66.98.186.1) 0.481 ms 0.497 ms 0.598 ms
2 ivhou-207-218-245-7.ev1.net (207.218.245.7) 0.539 ms 0.470 ms 0.356 ms
3 ivhou-207-218-223-2.ev1.net (207.218.223.2) 0.488 ms 0.475 ms 0.444 ms
4 289.ge-4-2-1.mpr1.iah1.us.above.net (216.200.251.50) 1.188 ms 1.228 ms 1.168 ms
5 so-0-0-0.mpr2.iah1.us.above.net (64.125.31.62) 1.324 ms 1.349 ms 1.375 ms
6 pos0-0.mpr1.atl4.us.above.net (64.125.29.69) 137.105 ms 97.114 ms 97.135 ms
7 pos15-0.mpr2.atl4.us.above.net (64.125.29.246) 97.011 ms 97.062 ms 97.296 ms
8 so-5-3-0.cr1.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.28.49) 25.421 ms 25.218 ms 25.333 ms
9 so-6-0-0.cr1.lhr3.uk.above.net (64.125.31.185) 115.209 ms 123.868 ms 123.455 ms
10 pop-bb-b-so-330-0.inet.ntl.com (208.185.188.42) 363.645 ms 366.214 ms 360.864 ms
11 lee-bb-a-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.237) 368.459 ms 352.198 ms 374.502 ms
12 lee-bb-b-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.187.186) 370.715 ms 387.585 ms 370.996 ms
13 man-bb-a-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.193) 365.578 ms 364.268 ms 350.325 ms
14 mant-t2core-a-pos71.inet.ntl.com (213.105.174.17) 370.793 ms 363.420 ms 350.054 ms
15 oldh-t2cam1-a-ge-wan31.inet.ntl.com (213.104.242.42) 358.674 ms 369.641 ms 357.735 ms
16 ubr01oldh-ge10.inet.ntl.com (80.5.164.2) 361.490 ms 349.771 ms 348.931 ms
As you can see, the problem comes into play at hop 10, as it enters ntl's network (pop-bb-b-so-330-0.inet.ntl.com (208.185.188.42))
Also a trace to google.com:
Tracing route to google.com [216.239.57.99]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 2 ms 7 ms 7 ms 1.1.1.1
2 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10.22.48.1
3 12 ms 10 ms 11 ms oldh-t2cam1-a-ge92.inet.ntl.com [80.5.164.1]
4 55 ms 19 ms 11 ms mant-t2core-a-ge-wan64.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242.53]
5 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms man-bb-a-so-210-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.174.18]
6 19 ms 23 ms 19 ms 212.187.137.1
7 19 ms 19 ms 25 ms so-10-0.hsa1-new.manchesteruk1.level3.net [4.68.113.97]
8 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms ae1-0.bbr2.London1.Level3.net [212.187.128.57]
9 101 ms 85 ms 85 ms as-0-0.bbr1.newyork1.level3.net [4.68.128.106]
10 162 ms 159 ms 158 ms ge-0-1-0.bbr2.sanjose1.level3.net [64.159.1.130]
11 164 ms 160 ms 163 ms ge-9-2.ipcolo2.sanjose1.level3.net [64.159.2.164]
12 383 ms 378 ms * unknown.level3.net [209.247.202.218]
13 385 ms 382 ms 386 ms 216.239.47.194
14 383 ms 392 ms 386 ms 216.239.49.2
15 391 ms 386 ms 381 ms 216.239.57.99
and also a trace to the Virgin radio mp3 stream:
Tracing route to shoutcast.llnw.net [69.28.128.148]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 6 ms 7 ms 7 ms 1.1.1.1
2 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10.22.48.1
3 12 ms 15 ms 11 ms oldh-t2cam1-a-ge92.inet.ntl.com [80.5.164.1]
4 12 ms 11 ms 15 ms mant-t2core-a-ge-wan64.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242.53]
5 12 ms 11 ms 12 ms man-bb-a-so-210-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.174.18]
6 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms lee-bb-b-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.194]
7 12 ms 11 ms 22 ms lee-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.185]
8 19 ms 19 ms 18 ms pop-bb-b-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.238]
9 19 ms 19 ms 26 ms tele-ic-1-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.82]
10 19 ms 19 ms 18 ms cr02.ldn01.pccwbtn.net [195.66.224.167]
11 324 ms 308 ms 323 ms ge0-3-0-8.jr1.iad.llnw.net [63.218.94.10]
12 382 ms * 418 ms so5-0-3.jr1.lax.llnw.net [69.28.172.18]
13 410 ms 421 ms 409 ms so7-0-0.jr1.phx1.llnw.net [69.28.172.42]
14 422 ms * 410 ms ge1-1-0.jr1.phx3.llnw.net [69.28.139.250]
15 421 ms 419 ms 400 ms shoutcast.llnw.net [69.28.128.148]
and to cap it off, microsoft.com:
Tracing route to www.microsoft.com.nsatc.net [207.46.156.188]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 3 ms 7 ms 7 ms 1.1.1.1
2 12 ms 11 ms 14 ms 10.22.48.1
3 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms oldh-t2cam1-a-ge92.inet.ntl.com [80.5.164.1]
4 15 ms 26 ms 11 ms mant-t2core-a-ge-wan81.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242.73]
5 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms man-bb-a-so-230-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.184.57]
6 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms 212.187.137.1
7 19 ms 18 ms 19 ms so-10-0.hsa1-new.manchesteruk1.level3.net [4.68.113.97]
8 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms ae-1-0.bbr1.London2.Level3.net [212.187.128.46]
9 90 ms 89 ms 93 ms as-0-0.bbr2.washington1.level3.net [4.68.128.102]
10 152 ms 155 ms 152 ms so-1-0-0.mp2.seattle1.level3.net [209.247.10.133]
11 156 ms 155 ms 155 ms ge-10-2.hsa1.seattle1.level3.net [209.247.9.74]
12 167 ms 171 ms 167 ms unknown.level3.net [63.211.220.82]
13 168 ms 171 ms 171 ms gig6-0.core2.sea1.ntwk.msn.net [207.46.40.129]
14 406 ms 398 ms 401 ms pos1-0.iusnixcpxc1201.ntwk.msn.net [207.46.36.210]
15 410 ms 417 ms 409 ms pos1-0.iuscixwstc1201.ntwk.msn.net [207.46.155.17]
16 * * * Request timed out.
So, yeah, although the ping hikes come after the ntl network, could this still be down to an issue on their side? I cant believe that the above 4 sites all have problems. It just seems too coincidental.
Maybe there is an overall 'peering to the US' problem?
Any help would be appreciated.
James :)
When I traceroute them, the problem appears to be outside the ntl network each time, but ive got a hunch that the problem is still related to ntl somehow.
I have a server in the US, and here are the results to it:
Tracing route to ivhou-207-218-245-110.ev1.net
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 5 ms 7 ms 7 ms 1.1.1.1
2 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10.22.48.1
3 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms oldh-t2cam1-b-ge92.inet.ntl.com [80.5.164.129]
4 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms mant-t2core-b-ge-wan82.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242.205]
5 19 ms 11 ms 11 ms man-bb-b-so-130-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.174.22]
6 19 ms 19 ms 22 ms win-bb-a-so-300-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.138]
7 19 ms 19 ms 23 ms bre-bb-b-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.172.234]
8 20 ms 20 ms 19 ms telc-ic-1-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.117]
9 19 ms 23 ms 19 ms 195.66.226.185
10 97 ms 97 ms 97 ms p6-0.core02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.5]
11 97 ms 97 ms 101 ms p12-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.169]
12 97 ms 97 ms 108 ms p15-0.core01.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.13]
13 98 ms 97 ms 97 ms p4-0.core02.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.81]
14 113 ms 120 ms 120 ms p14-0.core01.atl01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.161]
15 117 ms 120 ms 132 ms p14-0.core01.mco01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.153]
16 121 ms 124 ms 120 ms p14-0.core01.tpa01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.142]
17 137 ms 136 ms 136 ms p5-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.45]
18 375 ms 358 ms 378 ms everyonesinternet.demarc.cogentco.com [38.112.12.186]
19 375 ms 386 ms 374 ms ivhou-207-218-245-110.ev1.net [207.218.245.110]
Now a trace FROM my server TO my ntl ip shows:
traceroute to 213.106.xxx.xxx (213.106.xxx.xxx), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 ev1s-66-98-186-1.ev1servers.net (66.98.186.1) 0.481 ms 0.497 ms 0.598 ms
2 ivhou-207-218-245-7.ev1.net (207.218.245.7) 0.539 ms 0.470 ms 0.356 ms
3 ivhou-207-218-223-2.ev1.net (207.218.223.2) 0.488 ms 0.475 ms 0.444 ms
4 289.ge-4-2-1.mpr1.iah1.us.above.net (216.200.251.50) 1.188 ms 1.228 ms 1.168 ms
5 so-0-0-0.mpr2.iah1.us.above.net (64.125.31.62) 1.324 ms 1.349 ms 1.375 ms
6 pos0-0.mpr1.atl4.us.above.net (64.125.29.69) 137.105 ms 97.114 ms 97.135 ms
7 pos15-0.mpr2.atl4.us.above.net (64.125.29.246) 97.011 ms 97.062 ms 97.296 ms
8 so-5-3-0.cr1.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.28.49) 25.421 ms 25.218 ms 25.333 ms
9 so-6-0-0.cr1.lhr3.uk.above.net (64.125.31.185) 115.209 ms 123.868 ms 123.455 ms
10 pop-bb-b-so-330-0.inet.ntl.com (208.185.188.42) 363.645 ms 366.214 ms 360.864 ms
11 lee-bb-a-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.237) 368.459 ms 352.198 ms 374.502 ms
12 lee-bb-b-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.187.186) 370.715 ms 387.585 ms 370.996 ms
13 man-bb-a-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.193) 365.578 ms 364.268 ms 350.325 ms
14 mant-t2core-a-pos71.inet.ntl.com (213.105.174.17) 370.793 ms 363.420 ms 350.054 ms
15 oldh-t2cam1-a-ge-wan31.inet.ntl.com (213.104.242.42) 358.674 ms 369.641 ms 357.735 ms
16 ubr01oldh-ge10.inet.ntl.com (80.5.164.2) 361.490 ms 349.771 ms 348.931 ms
As you can see, the problem comes into play at hop 10, as it enters ntl's network (pop-bb-b-so-330-0.inet.ntl.com (208.185.188.42))
Also a trace to google.com:
Tracing route to google.com [216.239.57.99]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 2 ms 7 ms 7 ms 1.1.1.1
2 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10.22.48.1
3 12 ms 10 ms 11 ms oldh-t2cam1-a-ge92.inet.ntl.com [80.5.164.1]
4 55 ms 19 ms 11 ms mant-t2core-a-ge-wan64.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242.53]
5 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms man-bb-a-so-210-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.174.18]
6 19 ms 23 ms 19 ms 212.187.137.1
7 19 ms 19 ms 25 ms so-10-0.hsa1-new.manchesteruk1.level3.net [4.68.113.97]
8 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms ae1-0.bbr2.London1.Level3.net [212.187.128.57]
9 101 ms 85 ms 85 ms as-0-0.bbr1.newyork1.level3.net [4.68.128.106]
10 162 ms 159 ms 158 ms ge-0-1-0.bbr2.sanjose1.level3.net [64.159.1.130]
11 164 ms 160 ms 163 ms ge-9-2.ipcolo2.sanjose1.level3.net [64.159.2.164]
12 383 ms 378 ms * unknown.level3.net [209.247.202.218]
13 385 ms 382 ms 386 ms 216.239.47.194
14 383 ms 392 ms 386 ms 216.239.49.2
15 391 ms 386 ms 381 ms 216.239.57.99
and also a trace to the Virgin radio mp3 stream:
Tracing route to shoutcast.llnw.net [69.28.128.148]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 6 ms 7 ms 7 ms 1.1.1.1
2 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10.22.48.1
3 12 ms 15 ms 11 ms oldh-t2cam1-a-ge92.inet.ntl.com [80.5.164.1]
4 12 ms 11 ms 15 ms mant-t2core-a-ge-wan64.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242.53]
5 12 ms 11 ms 12 ms man-bb-a-so-210-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.174.18]
6 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms lee-bb-b-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.194]
7 12 ms 11 ms 22 ms lee-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.185]
8 19 ms 19 ms 18 ms pop-bb-b-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.238]
9 19 ms 19 ms 26 ms tele-ic-1-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.82]
10 19 ms 19 ms 18 ms cr02.ldn01.pccwbtn.net [195.66.224.167]
11 324 ms 308 ms 323 ms ge0-3-0-8.jr1.iad.llnw.net [63.218.94.10]
12 382 ms * 418 ms so5-0-3.jr1.lax.llnw.net [69.28.172.18]
13 410 ms 421 ms 409 ms so7-0-0.jr1.phx1.llnw.net [69.28.172.42]
14 422 ms * 410 ms ge1-1-0.jr1.phx3.llnw.net [69.28.139.250]
15 421 ms 419 ms 400 ms shoutcast.llnw.net [69.28.128.148]
and to cap it off, microsoft.com:
Tracing route to www.microsoft.com.nsatc.net [207.46.156.188]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 3 ms 7 ms 7 ms 1.1.1.1
2 12 ms 11 ms 14 ms 10.22.48.1
3 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms oldh-t2cam1-a-ge92.inet.ntl.com [80.5.164.1]
4 15 ms 26 ms 11 ms mant-t2core-a-ge-wan81.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242.73]
5 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms man-bb-a-so-230-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.184.57]
6 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms 212.187.137.1
7 19 ms 18 ms 19 ms so-10-0.hsa1-new.manchesteruk1.level3.net [4.68.113.97]
8 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms ae-1-0.bbr1.London2.Level3.net [212.187.128.46]
9 90 ms 89 ms 93 ms as-0-0.bbr2.washington1.level3.net [4.68.128.102]
10 152 ms 155 ms 152 ms so-1-0-0.mp2.seattle1.level3.net [209.247.10.133]
11 156 ms 155 ms 155 ms ge-10-2.hsa1.seattle1.level3.net [209.247.9.74]
12 167 ms 171 ms 167 ms unknown.level3.net [63.211.220.82]
13 168 ms 171 ms 171 ms gig6-0.core2.sea1.ntwk.msn.net [207.46.40.129]
14 406 ms 398 ms 401 ms pos1-0.iusnixcpxc1201.ntwk.msn.net [207.46.36.210]
15 410 ms 417 ms 409 ms pos1-0.iuscixwstc1201.ntwk.msn.net [207.46.155.17]
16 * * * Request timed out.
So, yeah, although the ping hikes come after the ntl network, could this still be down to an issue on their side? I cant believe that the above 4 sites all have problems. It just seems too coincidental.
Maybe there is an overall 'peering to the US' problem?
Any help would be appreciated.
James :)