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jamesclarke555
19-05-2004, 10:25
...First pics, looks like this one's set in 'da hood' - BMX is pretty sweet ;)
http://www.shacknews.com/screens.x/gta_sanandreas/GTA:San+Andreas/
I'm so buying this one! Thanks for the screens.
jamesclarke555
19-05-2004, 10:41
I'm so buying this one! Thanks for the screens.
No problem m8 :)
I'm gonna pick this one up too, trouble is, it's PS2 only for now (October this year). I guess we'll see PC/XBOX versions around May next year.
Not again :( Same old sh*t we had with Vice City
Richard M
19-05-2004, 10:44
I thought it was PS2 only and will never be released for the PC?
Dont know if I'm looking forward to this now or not now. After all they can't make this much better on the PS2 platform now graphic's wise anyway
jamesclarke555
19-05-2004, 10:50
Dont know if I'm looking forward to this now or not now. After all they can't make this much better on the PS2 platform now graphic's wise anyway
Agreed, the real sequel will be on the PS3 platform with a whole new graphics engine :drool:
jamesclarke555
19-05-2004, 10:51
I thought it was PS2 only and will never be released for the PC?
They say that about every GTA release, trust me, next year this will be muti-platform ;)
Agreed, the real sequel will be on the PS3 platform with a whole new graphics engine :drool:Bah I'd like to see a version just for PC and tweaked a little then for the XBOX. Dont forget how much more power the XBOX has compared to the PS2.
There's allot of games out and coming out now for the XBOX that just wont run on the PS2
skyblueheroes
19-05-2004, 11:05
Can't see them ignoring the PC market - too much money to be made.
Bought the first GTA for PS1 years ago, and only just got GTA Vice City. Superb game.
I notcie that this thread has very little info on the game so here's some of the good points
San Andres is not LA, it's a whole state
.3 Citys make up the state Los Santos (LA) San Fierro (San Fransisco) and Les Venturra (Vegas)
.Between each city the will be country side, roughly the size of Vice City
.The game will be 6-8 times the size of Vice City
.There is a stamina meter, which now means you need to eat and sleep
.Improved interior areas, with more ineraction
.You'll be able to run a Casino or just gamble away you money in LAs Venturra
.Improved AI allowing you to recruit gang members and take them on missions with you.
And the story of the main character : Carl Johnson is going to have his work cut out. Returning to his old haunts after five years in the Liberty City slammer, and blamed by his older brother Sweet for younger bro' Brian's accidental death, he'll be making his way through an early 90's streetscape besieged by rival gangs.
peacedude2k4
06-08-2004, 01:42
hey all got this on pre-order for oct 22nd release, been reading into it how many die hard GTA fans??
And whats your views and thoughts and feedback of information you seen about this game.? :cool:
MadGamer
06-08-2004, 08:58
hey all got this on pre-order for oct 22nd release, been reading into it how many die hard GTA fans??
And whats your views and thoughts and feedback of information you seen about this game.? :cool:Game looks cool. Im definatly gonna get it.
peacedude2k4
06-08-2004, 21:00
Yeah i got GTA SA on pre-order :D well suited as people are offering me double cost around my end for the pre-order ticket as seems popular here although you can still pre-order it around country but im stubborn as i was 2nd to pre-order i get a freewalk through guide :D
Getting it on ps2 and when its out on x-box get it on that too, doubt PC could run game it has issues with GTAVC frame rate and sound :rolleyes:
Richard M
06-08-2004, 23:09
Getting it on ps2 and when its out on x-box get it on that too, doubt PC could run game it has issues with GTAVC frame rate and sound :rolleyes:
On your PC maybe.
I can run GTA:VC at hundreds of fps.
peacedude2k4
17-08-2004, 03:31
lucky you
Where are you all pre-ordering from?? The best I've found so far is Amazon at 29.99 and free delivery..
This game just gets better and better
So far we now that you can:
Swimming
Character canges (you have to eat well, or get fat slowing you down)
customise car
over 3 times bigger than vice city (drive in the country to get between 3 citys each one bigger than vice)
driving licence
tattos
HUGE music (universal record have signed a deal)
house robberys
and now the train makes a return, (remember first game?) of course thats more important now because of the size of the game you may need to take trains to get places otherwise it would takje a long time to drive (although i would also enjoy that!
oh and you can hijack the train
Graham M
10-10-2004, 12:04
Aye this game looks like itll be damned good! Shame about the 6 months lead time for the PC version, I dont want it on a pooey console :D
Whens the release date? 22nd of this month?
Is it out in the US yet? My brother's been pestering me for it for ages.
29th the friday of half term if that helps, last week of october whatever
jamesclarke555
10-10-2004, 18:07
Get ya dirty little mits on this Preview (http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/gta4/preview_6110172.html?q=1&tag=gs_hp_topslot_click) :cool:
Ordering off play, fre delivery, but i might order of gameplay instead, if they prove to be relibile with pro evo 4
Tezcatlipoca
11-10-2004, 13:49
I've always found Gameplay to be very reliable.
grand theft auto: san andreas is the latest game to be unleashed on to the internet before its official release date, rockstar games has reacted angrily to the leak and has vowed to track down the perpetrators.
"The proper authorities are investigating the theft and are continuing to investigate all possible leads to ensure there is no further dissemination of our creative content," read the statement. "Downloading, possession and distribution of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, including making the game available on the internet, is theft." Then came this warning from the company: "We take the theft of our intellectual property very seriously and we are and will continue to diligently and aggressively pursue this matter."
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/20/news_6111057.html
i shoulder some of the blame on the media, many more people are turning to piracy once they know they can get retail stuff for free on the internet because of the intense and sometimes blatant publicity over the problem.
MIne is ordered off gameplay
here is a few new features
Casinos (both to own or gamble)
Bailing out of planes (parachute)
I d/l the trailer from the official site the game looks so cool, you can actually buy stuff for the cars this time like body kits and alloys,
Vice city was simply gta 3 in a new city with new music and a new story line and time and it was great
Now we have all of those again but 3 times each of them and also alll the new stuff like change cars, driving lincenecs, swimming, gangs, trains, house robberys....
STONEISLAND
22-10-2004, 11:02
Does anyone have a date of when this comes out for the xbox?
probably sometime next year.
Tezcatlipoca
22-10-2004, 23:57
Does anyone have a date of when this comes out for the xbox?
It's not been confirmed yet if they're even doing an XBox version, let alone when it would be out.
Seeing as they released GTA3 & VC for the XBox, hopefully they'll do the same for SA....
Because of the deal with sony it will be a long time before the xbox version, at the very least it will be a year, i dounbt they will even annocence it until next summer
There is an Area-51 take in the game which has a no fly zone over it leading to some intresting possibilitys (a video shows a boring 747 being blown up mid-air) also Sameal L Jackson is doing one of the voices.
There are 3 citys with county side in-between, you can go to each city FROM THE START OF THE GAME although if you leave the first city (the one you start in) you will have 4 stars wanted levels until you complete some more missions
This means that you can view other citys from the start but it will be hard. A map is attached to this post.
There WILL be a 2 player element to the game, typically in mini-missions and stuff.
Two other areas of intrest (other than area 51) is the fact you can drive a combine harvester into town to run over people with big blades hahaha. ANd a hill thats so high it takes more a minute to reachs its speak from which you can see the whole city (due to improved draw distance)
FOr best deliverly i would recommend gameplay.com as i get games a day early from there
My god that map looks HUGE. I see the no fly zone on there. Looking forward to friday now.
Richard M
24-10-2004, 03:59
I'm looking forward to next year when I can play it on a PC with a decent framerate... ;)
I LOVE the idea of driving around in the country side between citys, i cant wait to have a long drive across all the bridges though the countys side n' stuff.
Gonna go Pre-Order mine from game today.
If we preorder this, when will we get it?
Will it be despatched on the 29th and maybe get there for monday? or is it guaranteed for friday?
If you get it off gameplay it will be sent on the wednesday and you should get it thursday/friday
Well I've placed my order with gameplay so I'm hoping for a Thursday/Friday delivery.
How do you know its being despatched on wednesday?
I plan on waiting outside my local gamestation when they open on friday and buying my copy before I start work.
Well it should be here in the morning, is everyone excited??
Well it should be here in the morning, is everyone excited??
Yup, got it on pre-order so im off up in the morning to pick it up first thing... Can't wait :D
Graham M
28-10-2004, 22:44
Im definitely waiting til the PC Version!! :D
*must resist*
I haven't ordered my copy but hope to pop into town after work and pick up a copy from some where.
*trys to find somewhere that still has some left*
my should arrive by post today
Emperordalek
29-10-2004, 11:36
Just back from my local Game(Middlesbrough) and the queues to buy the new GTA were massive. The worrying thing is that most of the queue was taken up by parents buying the game for the children.
Its so annoying when anything happens, like the recent manhunt outcry, that the parents are the first ones to complain. It doesn't stop them buying 18 rated games for 10 and 11 eleven year olds though.
Also you can get GTASA in game for £25 if you take the PC World voucher out of todays sun. If they won't match it Asda will.
Got it this morning, cracking game :D
Any idea's how to get on 2 player ??
Oh, it hasn't got an outright 2 player mode.. it's on Kill frenzies, etc.. you can have 2 player, that sucks :(
I really hope I can get a copy tonight. So Asda will match the PC world offer will they?????
Graham M
29-10-2004, 12:34
Someones bound to mod the PC version into a multiplayer even if it doesnt come as standard, thats one of the reasons im waiting for it ;)
Thats that then called every game store in glasgow and no one has any. Gamestation have some but would not hold a copy for me for an hour.
smicer07
29-10-2004, 18:46
Got mine from Asda this morning , 29.58.
lol, enjoying it so far... only just got back in to have a bash :p
Not really bothered with the missions yet, got up to the spray paint one and just left it and did some exploring.
Managed to get into the airport and rob what looks like learjet, forget the name... flew it over to one of the other islands and as soon as you get there you get 4 police and some military aircrafts and I think SAM's start shooting you down. I tryed to get away, but ending up getting shot when I was making a run for it.
Couple of gripes with the game ;
- Use of the analog stick to control cars and CJ.. seriousley sucks. I'd much prefer the normal arrow controls.
- Lack of serious multiplayer action. This game says 1-2 players.. it's crap you can only have 2 player in the race parts and on kill frenzies,etc.
- Graphical glitches... lamposts, etc... The game deserved MUCH more than a PS2... this game should of been coded primarily for a PC, the potential is/was enourmous. However, can see where Rockstar are coming from... they've got much more sales selling it on a PS2 then a PC.
I managed to get a copy after all. not played much but like the story so far. The PS2 graphics seriously suck. Can't wait till the PC or Xbox version. Traded a few old games in so only paid £15.99.
Head North to the country, and find a farm called easterboard farm (theres a red sign)
In here theres a quad bike sitting around somewhere, its some serious fun!
Has anyone found the monster truck?!
Or a combine harvester??
MadGamer
30-10-2004, 19:42
lol, enjoying it so far... only just got back in to have a bash :p
Not really bothered with the missions yet, got up to the spray paint one and just left it and did some exploring.
Managed to get into the airport and rob what looks like learjet, forget the name... flew it over to one of the other islands and as soon as you get there you get 4 police and some military aircrafts and I think SAM's start shooting you down. I tryed to get away, but ending up getting shot when I was making a run for it.
Couple of gripes with the game ;
- Use of the analog stick to control cars and CJ.. seriousley sucks. I'd much prefer the normal arrow controls.
- Lack of serious multiplayer action. This game says 1-2 players.. it's crap you can only have 2 player in the race parts and on kill frenzies,etc.
- Graphical glitches... lamposts, etc... The game deserved MUCH more than a PS2... this game should of been coded primarily for a PC, the potential is/was enourmous. However, can see where Rockstar are coming from... they've got much more sales selling it on a PS2 then a PC. Ahh so you can get to the Airport in this one. Are some areas restricted, like GTA III was?
You can indeed, though your not allowed in till you get a flying license, though you can put your car against the hut and climb over, and get in the............lear jet
Well I am one of lucky people who own this with the free walkthrough supplied and a Grand Theft Auto San Andreas Bandana ;) , still relativly nowhere in it though too busy exploring and aint even got to the other islands the amount of stuff you can do while just mucking about is immense this on the Xbox and PC will be something special but the next Grand Theft Auto on the PS3 when released will be something special indeed :devsmoke:
Sorry for double post just been playing on GTA SA found the Quad ( thanks m8 didnt spot that before ) noticed alot of the Vice City cheats work for the new one, also there is a cheats cd available in stores on November 18th I think on a magazine which cheats I am not sure about but should help those having issues, I am where the "life is a beach" mission and am having issues with that and are just exploring the area...and getting my man like the HULK in muscle size. :D
lol apparently on that mission it helps if you tap your foot along with the song.
If you need any extra help theres gtaforums.com which provides help with missions and suchlike, but I suggest you try them out yourself first, its more rewarding :)
You just earned a rep for that you NICE person you.
Still on same mission LOL< aint had time to really be bothered doing it, However did get a cheats cd which lets me find the other levels and browse them with cops turned off.
So have to complete this game, or does anyone have a 100% completed save game, which they could copy onto a memory card ( I would send one ) and send it me :P
Cheeky I know but I am moving houses soon and wont have time would be great to have access all areas on GTA SA.
MadGamer
12-12-2004, 14:26
I cant wait for this. Getting it for Christmas. Sounds like some missions are pretty straight forward.
Some are yes, I have the cheats disk so have explored other islands before I opened them by completing game, also though you can swim to islands but get a 4star wanted level so will warn ya there ;)
GF is on it right now trying to pass some infernal dancing mission which is elluding me right now. :erm:
MadGamer
12-12-2004, 15:19
Some are yes, I have the cheats disk so have explored other islands before I opened them by completing game, also though you can swim to islands but get a 4star wanted level so will warn ya there ;)
GF is on it right now trying to pass some infernal dancing mission which is elluding me right now. :erm: That cheats disc you have... cant you download the cheats off of the net?
Not as I know off :dozey: , it just comes with cheats for GTA SA, and thats it does its job like no cops no damage, unlimited health etc.
4.99 from local shop in town.
p.s: Where is the combine Harvester?
As announced today, Rockstar is introducing Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas for Xbox in the third quarter of fiscal 2005, along with a simultaneous release of the PC version of the title.
http://ir.take2games.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=150682
Richard M
17-12-2004, 19:58
Third??? :cry:
MadGamer
26-12-2004, 11:21
Anyone past the spray paint mission yet. I can only find two of the things you have to spray.
bit more specific may be able to help?
They're on the map.......
You mean the gang tags?
i used the walkthrough to find them all.
Nah, I reckon he's on the mission where you have to find about 7-8 gang tags, which are all on the radar... not actually findin (100?) of them to complete em.
AHHH I know what you mean, it does show on map. I had a issue finding one of them myself.
They are on map mate, I think the blip on one is a little out thoough so its fun to find.
MadGamer
26-12-2004, 16:57
AHHH I know what you mean, it does show on map. I had a issue finding one of them myself.
They are on map mate, I think the blip on one is a little out thoough so its fun to find.
Is it the gold blip or the grey one?
One of em's on a roof IIRC, try going up some bldgs..
MadGamer
04-01-2005, 10:19
Progressing really well on this so far. Does anyone know where i can get a BMX bike rather than steel one?
Speaking of which aint been on mine in ages.. I am stuck on one of the car race. Just cant do the final bit of the course.
MadGamer
04-01-2005, 14:35
Speaking of which aint been on mine in ages.. I am stuck on one of the car race. Just cant do the final bit of the course. im stuck on the mission where you have to follow the train on the bike.
lol some of them races are quite hard ;)
Stick to the track ;)
Wayne - Follow the side of the train, go up any verges you come across.... It's quite an easy mission as long as you stay by the side of the train.
if its the one where you pop off the dudes on top of the train on a Sanchez one trick is to ride on the edge of the track giving max distance from you to the train gives Sweet a better shot at it.
STONEISLAND
04-01-2005, 14:40
Speaking of which aint been on mine in ages.. I am stuck on one of the car race. Just cant do the final bit of the course.
My mate got stuck on that and all he did was shoot the tyres with a sniper rifle.
Easy :rolleyes:
Giving me ideas :P
Will be on it more once I get my new ps2, the one I have is more noisy then my next door neighbours kid.
MadGamer
09-01-2005, 16:54
Giving me ideas :P
Will be on it more once I get my new ps2, the one I have is more noisy then my next door neighbours kid. Still stuck on it and cant complete the damm mission. :mad:
I am on the last of the driving missions where you first enter the 2nd level bit. Will sort it when ready, I have cheats now so no cops no damage, invincible so having a explore.
MadGamer
09-01-2005, 17:10
I am on the last of the driving missions where you first enter the 2nd level bit. Will sort it when ready, I have cheats now so no cops no damage, invincible so having a explore.
You know what mission im on about yeah?
Aint it the you on a Sanchez with sweet shooting at the guys on the train?
MadGamer
09-01-2005, 17:33
Aint it the you on a Sanchez with sweet shooting at the guys on the train? Yep
I tend to drive over the side of the track you ride on just touching the sleepers, as for the train and then having to go over the mud hills I just went for it flat out got on track slowed down then hit it once train got near so it don't pass me and I loose it. And again stayed just touching the right track side furtherst from the train.
MadGamer
28-01-2005, 16:19
This mission is getting on my nerves. Any other advice, ive tried 6 times.
MadGamer
30-01-2005, 15:11
Mission completed. :D
Yay well done my copy is in a box right now till we move into our new house, then I shall continue on from where I left off me thinks.
MadGamer
02-02-2005, 16:22
Yay well done my copy is in a box right now till we move into our new house, then I shall continue on from where I left off me thinks.
Im about 5 missions away from moving onto the next part, which i think is San Farrero?
I got moved to some place I think the badlands still in there now lol, trying to dig the game out of many of the boxes I have.
We just reorganised the bedroom, and got the laptop to work again ( kept rebooting for no reason)
MadGamer
02-02-2005, 20:26
I got moved to some place I think the badlands still in there now lol, trying to dig the game out of many of the boxes I have.
We just reorganised the bedroom, and got the laptop to work again ( kept rebooting for no reason) Great now im stuck on the mission where you have to kill the bloke at the funeral.
Whats the name of the misson, sorry I dont have my walkthrough with me, I think I know the misson but a refresher would be nice.
MadGamer
03-02-2005, 17:38
Whats the name of the misson, sorry I dont have my walkthrough with me, I think I know the misson but a refresher would be nice.
Sorry completed that. Im now at Angel Pine.
And I am totally lost, I cant find my copy :( its in the mountain of boxes stacked for when we move.
I am in a misson with some crazy woman after robbing her stores and having to win a final race after she has dumped me for another guy and making sure i know about it and me having to win another race. Ain't tried it too much though.
MadGamer
05-02-2005, 12:12
A Grand Tour (http://grandtour.freeksoft.net/)
Interesting read.
Im haveing lots of fun with this game and i have almost beat it.
I love this game. Never play the missions. Get plenty of cheats (I know, I know :shrug: ;) ) and just go touring the islands, by car or by plane.
I just like the game because you're not stuck to playing the missions, you do what you want. :) http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/contrib/sarge/Blasting_anim.gif
Ignition
15-06-2005, 23:27
This might entertain the PC users out there: http://www.gtasanandreas.net/news/single.php?id=1469
STONEISLAND
22-06-2005, 11:25
I have heard "you can clime the wall of the airport and steel a plane, and just fly around lots to get your plane licence" Where is the wall? I have looked and all I see is a wire fence thats to high to clime.
Help.
I have heard "you can climb the wall of the airport and steel a plane, and just fly around lots to get your plane licence" Where is the wall? I have looked and all I see is a wire fence thats to high to clime.
Help.
At the entrance to the airport where the gate is and there is a little hut with a security guy in it. park a car next to this little building and you can climb on top of it and jump down the otherside into the airport grounds, then run around to find a plane.
As far as I am aware this does not get you your licence but lets you fly without having to get it.
At the entrance to the airport where the gate is and there is a little hut with a security guy in it. park a car next to this little building and you can climb on top of it and jump down the otherside into the airport grounds, then run around to find a plane.
As far as I am aware this does not get you your licence but lets you fly without having to get it.
You don't need to go to all that trouble, there's an open gate near the airport (you'll need to drive around to find it), you just drive in, smash the fence (or use the ramp to jump it) down in your car and you're onto the airstrip, you can then fly a cessna or learjet look-a-like to your hearts content.
STONEISLAND
22-06-2005, 13:23
At the entrance to the airport where the gate is and there is a little hut with a security guy in it. park a car next to this little building and you can climb on top of it and jump down the otherside into the airport grounds, then run around to find a plane.
As far as I am aware this does not get you your licence but lets you fly without having to get it.
Been told if you fly around long enougth they just give you the licence. :tu:
STONEISLAND
13-07-2005, 09:30
GTA gets dirty........
http://www.t3.co.uk/news/games/playstation_2/grand_theft_auto_grot_probed_stateside
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4682533.stm
There is no doubting the fact that the widespread availability of sexually explicit and graphically violent video games makes the challenge of parenting much harder
As usual games are used as a scapegoat for bad parenting. It is likely the mods where put in by the hackers, and even if they were not the game already has the highest rating possible. I think its pretty obviously she is running for the nomination.
philip.j.fry
14-07-2005, 15:22
and even if they were not the game already has the highest rating possible.
I thought it had a 'mature' rating and the highest was 'adults only'? I've no idea what the actual content of the mod is, all I've heard is that it involves a lot of sex (I think they mean consenting otherwise they would probably have called it rape). IMO it's a warped sense of priorities where sex (consenting) in video games calls for a higher rating than indiscriminate killing.
Never played GTA though but it's tempting to go out and get it just to see what all the fuss is about :D ;)
I have witnessed at first hand how even very young children can pick up and act out what they see on a TV screen. Admittedly in my son's case it tends to be Bill and Ben the Flowerpot men running around their garden, but nevertheless ...
I know there is an age restriction on GTA but even so, are older brothers always careful who's around when they play it? You can't expect an 18 year old to have the same level of awareness of the impressionability of a very young child that you would expect from a parent. Good grief, you're daft if you expect responsible behaviour from parents, sometimes ... :erm:
When Hillary Clinton says that video games like these make the challenge of parenting harder, she is absolutely, unquestionably correct. Parents who care about what their children see already have to be very vigilant.
As usual games are used as a scapegoat for bad parenting. It is likely the mods where put in by the hackers, and even if they were not the game already has the highest rating possible. I think its pretty obviously she is running for the nomination.
How did I know it was Hilary and not Bill? That woman is a nightmare. You are spot on in your first sentence. I can't bear to think what will happen if she becomes president. And you lot think Bush is bad...
And you lot think Bush is bad...:erm: Must not commment......... ;)
I can understand some people stating that some games are making it harder to parent apropriately but is that a reason to demand the end to games like GTA?
I can understand some people stating that some games are making it harder to parent apropriately but is that a reason to demand the end to games like GTA?
Never underestimate the oversized self importance of a do-gooding liberal. :rolleyes:
I'm sorry, but this is about the "Hot Coffee" scandal .... I don't know if any of you have seen the video of this Mod/Hack, but based on that alone it should be 18+, especially as the designers are NOT denying the existence of this stuff within the game, just that *they* didn't give access to it on release.
It's the double standards of the whole thing that gets me.It's ok for all the graphic violence in GTA but not sex?Why isn't Hilary getting excited about the former if video games are supposed to have such an influence on the young? :shrug:
Here's (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/14/hillary_clinton_gta/) a great article from The Reg that talks about Hilary Clinton's outrage at this mod... I love this quote Indeed, we suspect that Clinton's indignation may have something to do with the fact that an as-yet-unconfirmed mod called "Lewinsky" allows GTA gamers to blast their way into the Oval Office using semi-automatic rifles and then receive the kind attentions of a plump and shameless hussy called Monika who groans: "Oh yeah, you the man! Yeah, give it to me Bill!" while chewing on a big, fat... cigar. :rofl:
I'm sorry, but this is about the "Hot Coffee" scandal .... I don't know if any of you have seen the video of this Mod/Hack, but based on that alone it should be 18+, especially as the designers are NOT denying the existence of this stuff within the game, just that *they* didn't give access to it on release.
If I remember correctly though, not only was the hot coffee section of the game deactivated, chunks of the code where even removed from the game. Meaning it was entireley down to the modding community that this feature was re-added and not rockstar.
For example, I used to play unreal tournament a lot, someone had a naked skin of Xena warrior princess as their player in game, does that mean unreal should have been X-Rated? I doubt it.
Also, like I think a lot of people have allready said, in terms of being inappropriate killing > sex.
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