Formula 1 Talk 2007 Season - Page 4

Hom3r · 04-08-2007, 23:18

Alonso dropped five places, & McLaren NOT allowed to score championship points

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/6929333.stm

homealone · 05-08-2007, 00:25

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Alonso dropped five places, & McLaren NOT allowed to score championship points

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/6929333.stm

Difficult one, without knowing all the facts I'm surprised the team are being penalised for Alonso's intransigence, Ron Dennis' reaction this afternoon suggested he was not expecting it, so why deny the constructor points????

dev · 05-08-2007, 01:15

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Originally Posted by homealone

Difficult one, without knowing all the facts I'm surprised the team are being penalised for Alonso's intransigence, Ron Dennis' reaction this afternoon suggested he was not expecting it, so why deny the constructor points????

the 5 place penalty is for alonso impeding hamilton, the constructors points "ban" is for the reaction of mclaren to the incident so they are being penalised for the teams reaction, not what alonso did.

mclaren are apparently appealing the constructors points "ban".

homealone · 05-08-2007, 01:24

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Originally Posted by dev

the 5 place penalty is for alonso impeding hamilton, the constructors points "ban" is for the reaction of mclaren to the incident so they are being penalised for the teams reaction, not what alonso did.

mclaren are apparently appealing the constructors points "ban".

the result of all this is immaterial, in some ways, the 'gloves are now off' between Alonso & Hamilton - let battle commence

Jon T · 05-08-2007, 10:24

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Originally Posted by homealone

the result of all this is immaterial, in some ways, the 'gloves are now off' between Alonso & Hamilton - let battle commence

The results are all immaterial anyway, the only reason McLaren have been handed the constructors point ban is because Masa is starting well down the grid, the lack of constructors points for McLaren will equal things up a bit..

It's all to do with the normal scheme of things in that Ferrari have the FIA/Bernie wrapped around their little finger, they(Ferarri) get penalised or have mechanical failure and suddenly there a reason to penalise McLaren(or any other team that stands to gain from their misfortune).

Formula 1 is becoming a managed show, with a semi-managed outcome.

sherer · 05-08-2007, 11:17

yep it does seem AGAIN that the FIA are doing all they can to help Ferrari.

They didn't punish McLaren for the spy row so they are doing this to make up for it.

I've nver heard of a team being banned from scoring constructors points.

FA got all worked up as LH was meant to let him pass earlier in the session and he didn't so FA did that to get back at him

dev · 05-08-2007, 11:56

the hell you 2 on about? if the FIA are helping ferrari they'd have penalised mclaren for the spy thing, and sent alonso back more than 5 places. putting alonso 5th is still 9 ahead of massa and only 2 behind kimi.

the mclaren constructors points ban would have probably been for things we didnt see/hear, eg radio contact etc

**Kevin T** · 05-08-2007, 12:00

Full decision is here...

(Courtesy of Autosport)

sherer · 05-08-2007, 12:13

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Originally Posted by dev

the hell you 2 on about? if the FIA are helping ferrari they'd have penalised mclaren for the spy thing, and sent alonso back more than 5 places. putting alonso 5th is still 9 ahead of massa and only 2 behind kimi.

the mclaren constructors points ban would have probably been for things we didnt see/hear, eg radio contact etc

well we all know how closely the FIA and Ferrari are and that Mosley hates Dennis so after the world council let McLaren off and they wanted to jump on any little mistake they made.

Who else has every heard of a team racing without getting constructors points and even knew this was a punishment they could give out ?

keithwalton · 05-08-2007, 12:28

Its not called Ferrari International Assistance for nothing (thats a joke name for the fia) but yesterdays events were all mclaren they made a boo boo and got punished for it. Fisi also got a 5 place drop for his actions.

It's amusing that only one car in the top 10 is starting where it qualified, oh and alonso is 6th not 5th

Hom3r · 05-08-2007, 21:47

Go Hamiltom Go 3rd win.

Shadow Demon UK · 13-09-2007, 18:37

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McLaren have been stripped of their points in the 2007 Formula One constructors' championship after the outcome of the 'spygate' row.
The team was also hit with a record $100m (£49.2m) fine but drivers Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso will be allowed to keep their points.

Link

Good to see Hamilton won't lose any points

**Rob** · 13-09-2007, 18:40

Whoa, a fine that size will hurt any future ability to fund car development. Expect to see McLaren becoming an also ran team in the next couple of years leaving Ferrari with no challengers. F1 becomes boring again

dd2k · 13-09-2007, 18:45

major blow to McLaren and the F1 as a whole, After a bad years, Mclaren really have stuck it up to farrari this season but doubt they can afford to keep up progress with a fine like that, and i imagine they will loose alot of sponsorship money next season also

Woolly One · 13-09-2007, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Rob

Whoa, a fine that size will hurt any future ability to fund car development. Expect to see McLaren becoming an also ran team in the next couple of years leaving Ferrari with no challengers. F1 becomes boring again

Ouch! I concur with Rob, That will hit the sport. Bernie might struggle with getting his TV deals