The disgrace that is Rangers Football Club - Fans caught doing Nazi Salutes in Israel

[Derek S]

So roughly to sum up we have:

Rangers FC
Uefa
Me
Most other people

Saying it's not a Nazi salute but rather a gesture made by a minority of the support for dubious reasons thinking its celebrating a link with Ulster and agreeing it has no place in football.

And:
TheBlueRaja
Celtic Fans

Thinking it's a huge conspiracy and Rangers deserve to be kicked out of all competitions and the team publicly flogged in the centre circle of Ibrox.

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by Derek S

So roughly to sum up we have:

Rangers FC
Uefa
Me
Most other people

Saying it's not a Nazi salute but rather a gesture made by a minority of the support for dubious reasons thinking its celebrating a link with Ulster and agreeing it has no place in football.

And:
TheBlueRaja
Celtic Fans

Thinking it's a huge conspiracy and Rangers deserve to be kicked out of all competitions and the team publicly flogged in the centre circle of Ibrox.

No we have

Rangers FC
A Spineless Uefa
You

All saying its not a Nazi Salute

And:
LOYALISTFM a LOYALIST WEBSITE and some Rangers fans
Scottish football fans and
The Sun (Who admittedly dont carry much credibility)

Saying it is.

Your deluded, but just to ram it home again how deluded you are...



Please - continue to embarrass yourself.

[ikthius]

Originally Posted by Derek S

So roughly to sum up we have:

Rangers FC
Uefa
Me
Most other people

Saying it's not a Nazi salute but rather a gesture made by a minority of the support for dubious reasons thinking its celebrating a link with Ulster and agreeing it has no place in football.

And:
TheBlueRaja
Celtic Fans

Thinking it's a huge conspiracy and Rangers deserve to be kicked out of all competitions and the team publicly flogged in the centre circle of Ibrox.

excuse me, take that back about the Celtic fans.......

Have I said anything in this thread that you are really unhappy about?

I am a celtic fan and did not get involved with hand debate.

I think it is very stupid of those fans for doing that in a country that has a very sensitive regard for that sort of symbolism, weather it is a real salute for the red hand or not.

dont tar the celtic fans, not many have said anything on this thread.....

[Maggy J]

Now what was it Shakespeare said?

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet..

I suspect that in Israel the audience would fail utterly to see any difference between a nazi or red hand salute IF they even appreciated that there were two such similar salutes.They MUST have KNOWN what the impression would be unless they are cretins.

As for the rest of the background story I'm sorry but I know little about it except the religious differences between Rangers and Celtic have been known for some time and really have no place in any sphere of influence let alone sport in this day and age..Sport is supposed to be the great leveler and an example to all of fair play and equal opportunity for all participants.

[gazzae]

I've never heard of a "Red Hand Salute" I grew up in Belfast and haven't exactly been sheltered to things like this.

[Stuart C]

Well, I personally think that *anyone* who goes to isreal, and uses that salute (for whatever reason) is either stupid, offensive, or taking the ****.

Regardless of the original intent, it will be taken by Jews (who form most of the population of Isreal) as an offensive gesture.

OMG, football fans on the terraces in un-PC shocker. So what?

I count 16.

Not really a brush with which to paint all Rangers fans is it???

I've never really found any Football fans on the terraces to be exactly PC

What about the English fans wearing German Army helmets at the world cup??

What about any and all away fans at Old Trafford advising Beckham that his wife takes it up the tradesmans.

What about Liverpool fans waxing lyrical about the Munich air disaster.

Who cares???

It's the usual brainless football moron, not exactly a major issue in my world.

Originally Posted by Chris T

but they sing 'Send them homewards to think again' in their tens of thousands.

Yes, and we did think again, then came back and kicked the living Sh*t out of them.

[Ezenden]

Originally Posted by Pierre

OMG, football fans on the terraces in un-PC shocker. So what?

I count 16.

Not really a brush with which to paint all Rangers fans is it???

I've never really found any Football fans on the terraces to be exactly PC

What about the English fans wearing German Army helmets at the world cup??

What about any and all away fans at Old Trafford advising Beckham that his wife takes it up the tradesmans.

What about Liverpool fans waxing lyrical about the Munich air disaster.

Who cares???

It's the usual brainless football moron, not exactly a major issue in my world.




Yes, and we did think again, then came back and kicked the living Sh*t out of them.

When people seriously describe Nazi salutes as merely being "un-PC", you know the world has gone truely mad.

[foreverwar]

Originally Posted by Pierre

OMG, football fans on the terraces in un-PC shocker. So what?

If you have to ask what is wrong with visiting supporters making Nazi salutes in a country that was founded by the survivors of Genocide committed by the Nazis, no amount of explaining will make you understand.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I count 16.

Out of 100 in the picture - quite a large percentage

Originally Posted by Pierre

Not really a brush with which to paint all Rangers fans is it???

But the fact that one in six in that picture were doing it, does tint them quite a bit.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I've never really found any Football fans on the terraces to be exactly PC

mmmm - I've never heard Genocide glorification described as non-PC before.

Originally Posted by Pierre

What about the English fans wearing German Army helmets at the world cup??

I don't remember the British nation gassing six million Germans in concentration camps, do you?

Originally Posted by Pierre

What about any and all away fans at Old Trafford advising Beckham that his wife takes it up the tradesmans.

Bit of a difference between mocking descendants of survivors of a genocidal regime and that, perhaps?

Originally Posted by Pierre

What about Liverpool fans waxing lyrical about the Munich air disaster.

Bad, but not six million perhaps?

Originally Posted by Pierre

Who cares???

Perhaps those of us who are ashamed of idiots who are seen as representatives of Britain abroad?

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's the usual brainless football moron, not exactly a major issue in my world.

Perhaps the people/nation who were insulted may feel differently.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yes, and we did think again, then came back and kicked the living Sh*t out of them.

And then in 1603 they came back and took over the monarchy.

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Snippy...

[fruitbat]

Well!! Regardless of ignorant morons, TheBlueRaja is clearly a typical football fan - full of hatred for anyone with an opposing view. People like him are the reason why I gave up football.

[Derek S]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Well!! Regardless of ignorant morons, TheBlueRaja is clearly a typical football fan - full of hatred for anyone with an opposing view. People like him are the reason why I gave up football.

*GASP*

Surely you aren't thinking TBR might have some anti-rangers glasses on? I would never have thought anything like that

I mean it's not as if anyone has argued the 'salute' is an ill-thought out and poor taste gesture amongst a tiny minority of the support who have a deluded perception it's glorifying a perceived link with Ulster. Oh...

I saw a skull and crossbones tonight amongst the Tel-Aviv fans. Personally I think it's disgusting they support piracy and the great-great-great grandchildren of the victims of Blackbeard should register a strong complaint with Uefa. In fact I think Hapoel Tel-Aviv should be out of all European competition for the rest of the Season.

[ikthius]

Originally Posted by Derek S

*GASP*

Surely you aren't thinking TBR might have some anti-rangers glasses on? I would never have thought anything like that

I mean it's not as if anyone has argued the 'salute' is an ill-thought out and poor taste gesture amongst a tiny minority of the support who have a deluded perception it's glorifying a perceived link with Ulster. Oh...

I saw a skull and crossbones tonight amongst the Tel-Aviv fans. Personally I think it's disgusting they support piracy and the great-great-great grandchildren of the victims of Blackbeard should register a strong complaint with Uefa. In fact I think Hapoel Tel-Aviv should be out of all European competition for the rest of the Season.

so pro rangers then?
and from your earlier post, no proof of the many celtic fans that you tarred, apart from me? cause I was the only celtic fan who posted as far as I know, and reading throught them carefully, I was the only one.........

ik

[Derek S]

Originally Posted by ikthius

so pro rangers then?

Maybe...

Originally Posted by ikthius

and from your earlier post, no proof of the many celtic fans that you tarred, apart from me? cause I was the only celtic fan who posted as far as I know, and reading throught them carefully, I was the only one.........

Apologies. Just generalising the other half of Glasgow.

I was actually talking to a couple of Celtic Park season ticket holders tonight who were of the same opinion it was a couple of idiots thinking rather than organized Nazi displays.

Originally Posted by foreverwar

If you have to ask what is wrong with visiting supporters making Nazi salutes in a country that was founded by the survivors of Genocide committed by the Nazis, no amount of explaining will make you understand.

I didn't ask "what was Wrong" I just failed to see the importance, and I still do. The Nazis were indeed terrible. So too were the japanese. But we have moved on and but for a few brainless scottish drunks I just fail to see the whole "uptightness" of the situation. I bet half of them don't even knew what the symbol meant.

Out of 100 in the picture - quite a large percentage

well that would be 16% wouldn't it based onthe localisation of that photgraph. How many were at the ground 5,000 -10,000. I don't know, but it certainly cannot be representative of the fan base.

But the fact that one in six in that picture were doing it, does tint them quite a bit.

again to small a snapshot to be sure.

mmmm - I've never heard Genocide glorification described as non-PC before.

Ha... Genocide Glorification.......oh dear, oh dear.

Mindless idiots yes. trying to get a rise out of the opposition - yes. Insulting them - yes.

but if a Nazi salute is "genocide glorification" no doubt Freddie Starr, Father Ted, Indiana Jones (and that sitcom with a surburban couple living next to the hitlers) writers will all burn in hell.

I don't remember the British nation gassing six million Germans in concentration camps, do you?

Maybe not gas but we bombed them virtuality into non-existence. I'm not apologising for that but eg. Dresden. we wiped them offthe face of the map. So I could definitely understand why the Germans could be upset about that. Not all Germans were Nazis. But we bombed the sh*t out of them.

Bit of a difference between mocking descendants of survivors of a genocidal regime and that, perhaps?

Is it? is really? If you are out to offend, and that is your only objective - does it matter what the target is?

Bad, but not six million perhaps?

Oh I see, there is a death threshold that has to be passed before we are offended. What is that by the way????

Perhaps those of us who are ashamed of idiots who are seen as representatives of Britain abroad?

Well thats up to you. Me, I like to worry about things I can influenece.

Perhaps the people/nation who were insulted may feel differently.

And they've been through at lot worse than this, so before you bestoe your anger, and then secondly your support upon them. Why not ask them how they feel. They probably have more pressing issues to deal with thasn wasting time on this non-entity

And then in 1603 they came back and took over the monarchy.

Isn't democracy a wonderful thing.