Play TV?

[teaboy2]

oh my word i honestly dont know where to start or even to bother to!! first of brundles well done for trying to be the clever clogs im afraid what you have written is rubbish, if your not getting an unlimited download on your broadband i would pull your finger out and find a new supplier, unlimited broadband is easily found for around £15 per month. AnywayZ this service doesnt need unlimted broadband to work as this is IPTV its completly different to streaming something of the internet, maybe read this to get up to date! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPTV.

And why question my HD answer? it is true not much is filmed in HD, i credited you for referencing neighbours but it seems to be the only one you could come up with??!!

And regarding your last paragraph do you have any idea how broadband bandwidth works?! i mean lets start simple do you even know what a 25-1 or 50-1 line is? i take it you dont! The only part of your answer i respect is where you are wary about new companies, fair enough! i cant see anything wrong with that epinion.

But please see it from my point of view, i found this forum with negative issues about the company i work for, i was amazed! the company hasnt even aired its services and you guys are saying its crap?! why?????!!!!!!! how do you know????!!! why do you take time out of your day to make a judgement on something you know nothing about in such a negative demoralising way?!! As you have seen i have taken the time to write these replys in my own time and the truth is iptv is the future i suppose you guys will just wait until sky turn all theres from sat to iptv before you realise?!

And lastly derek and babstheyaris i see you have comented with the likes of complete fabrications were told to yourselves, i would just remind you that these guys above (namely brundles in the last instances!) obviously have no idea and each 'dig' they have taken at the product (and me!) is them gussing with the little knowledge they have, maybe you should ask them to reference there nonsense instead of making up rubbish on a subject they know so little about.

To end im honeslty disapointed in the reaction ive got to the kindness that ive offered to give informtion on this new product especially the rude reply from Lsainsbury which you can all see i didnt take lightly and brought the little bugger down!! ; ) (no hard feelings mate had to be done!) Why take the word of those who cant possible have any idea?!! do your own research maybe start at a reptable source such as this http://informitv.com/articles/2007/0...italbroadcast/ go to an outlet where you can see it working if you must just dont be a fool and be a critic on an area you know nothing about.

[brundles]

This isn't a case of people saying crap, but we are questioning how the service and technology works. So far you haven't actually refuted any of my answers/assumptions.

Yes, IPTV is completely different from streaming an individual file but that doesn't change the fact that it needs bandwidth. Sticking with a recognised format, take a 3 5 0 meg AVI file commonly found for 40 minutes worth of TV show. Running flat out on a half meg connection that takes nearly 2 hours to download. (Sorry for the spaces but the forum swear filter seems to think I'm trying to dodge it with three hundred and fifty as numbers!)

Why bring contention ratios into the argument other than to point out another complexity that Joe Blogs needs to be aware of? If PlayTV turns out to be wonderful and Joe and all his mates on the street have it then that's something else to cause problems as Joe needs to work out that the (potentially) jittery picture is down to him being on a 50-1 package and it might be solved by paying more for a 20-1 package.

My gripe about the bandwidth and limits isn't that they're in place, but that your website makes no mention of the potential impact to your customers if they have such limits.

Not much is filmed in HD?
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds60923.html
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds46670.html
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds58126.html

If the service proves itself and I spend time reading about people saying how great the service is between launch date and Christmas then there is every possibility I'll suggest my father-in-law signs up as it would suit him. However until it's proved itself my scepticism (sp?) remains.

[LSainsbury]

Originally Posted by teaboy2

oh my word i honestly dont know where to start or even to bother to!! first of brundles well done for trying to be the clever clogs im afraid what you have written is rubbish, if your not getting an unlimited download on your broadband i would pull your finger out and find a new supplier, unlimited broadband is easily found for around £15 per month. .

Sorry – your information is incorrect. If you look at any ISP they market the product as “unlimited” but when you look into the T&C’s you will find something called a “Fair User Policy” and this states you should be aware of the amount you are downloading and sometimes they quote a figure like 30GB / 50GB per month. This is to stop people maxing out all the bandwidth. If the customer goes over their considered monthly amount then they risk getting they service ceased or throttled back. If they continue to abuse the bandwidth their connection can be terminated.

Originally Posted by teaboy2

AnywayZ this service doesnt need unlimted broadband to work as this is IPTV its completly different to streaming something of the internet, maybe read this to get up to date! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPTV.

It doesn’t matter what streaming method you use – it’s still downloading and is still counted towards the end users monthly amount. Streaming is just a transport, like downloading http or FTP.

Originally Posted by teaboy2

And why question my HD answer? it is true not much is filmed in HD, i credited you for referencing neighbours but it seems to be the only one you could come up with??!!

Neighbours was probably a bad example, but it was used in the context of a popular daytime TV show. I remember HDTV from the late 80’s early 90’s when I worked for Sony – I got to go to IBC in Brighton to see the latest and greatest kit – unfortunately the market wasn’t right at the time and never took off in Europe. Now technology has moved on and it looks like HD is here to stay and everyday more TV, movies are being filmed in HD. I’ve been to a concert which used HD projections and was filmed in HD. A good example of filming in HD would be Doctor Who.

Originally Posted by teaboy2

And regarding your last paragraph do you have any idea how broadband bandwidth works?! i mean lets start simple do you even know what a 25-1 or 50-1 line is? i take it you dont! The only part of your answer i respect is where you are wary about new companies, fair enough! i cant see anything wrong with that epinion.

Teaboy2 – you have joined a forum that’s soul purpose is to help people with cable installations, technology, and a wealth of subjects We have over 1 million posts, 31,644 members, and 63,019 threads – I should think somewhere during this period we have discussed ADSL contention ratios, so I think it’s fair to say we might have a good idea between us of how technology works.

Originally Posted by teaboy2

But please see it from my point of view, i found this forum with negative issues about the company i work for, i was amazed! the company hasnt even aired its services and you guys are saying its crap?! why?????!!!!!!! how do you know????!!! why do you take time out of your day to make a judgement on something you know nothing about in such a negative demoralising way?!! As you have seen i have taken the time to write these replys in my own time and the truth is iptv is the future i suppose you guys will just wait until sky turn all theres from sat to iptv before you realise?!

I think the problem is that you are blinkered because you work for them. Step back and do some research on the links posted and you’ll hear what the public – YOUR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS think. Do your research – like we have – and you’ll see why are negative. Sky and VM has invested millions in their infrastructure – your company is relying on the customers broadband connection – which in the UK is still not that good yet and is limited in order to keep the service stable and fair for all users.

Originally Posted by teaboy2

And lastly derek and babstheyaris i see you have comented with the likes of complete fabrications were told to yourselves, i would just remind you that these guys above (namely brundles in the last instances!) obviously have no idea and each 'dig' they have taken at the product (and me!) is them gussing with the little knowledge they have, maybe you should ask them to reference there nonsense instead of making up rubbish on a subject they know so little about.

They can only say what the salespeople told them. God help your company if they phoned me!!

Originally Posted by teaboy2

To end im honeslty disapointed in the reaction ive got to the kindness that ive offered to give informtion on this new product especially the rude reply from Lsainsbury which you can all see i didnt take lightly and brought the little bugger down!! ; ) (no hard feelings mate had to be done!) Why take the word of those who cant possible have any idea?!! do your own research maybe start at a reptable source such as this http://informitv.com/articles/2007/0...italbroadcast/ go to an outlet where you can see it working if you must just dont be a fool and be a critic on an area you know nothing about.

I’m sorry? Brought the little b***** down? Teaboy2 – please grow up and this is a family forum. As you can see I’m still here alive and kicking and giving my now constructive opinion. Your words mean nothing to me. But my wallet will mean something to you when I don’t subscribe to your company’s services. The reason I stick with Sky is (as pointed out – better the devil you know, and fool I may be) is that they have a tried and tested service. Your’s is still in its initial planning rollout stages.

Anyway – this is just my opinion and may not reflect what others think.

Do I get a prize for the most fragment post now? :p

[Chris T]

Doctor Who isn't filmed in HD because the budget cannot support the current high cost of rendering those kinds of FX in HD.

Torchwood, on the other hand, is filmed in HD, and you can sometimes find samples of it playing in John Lewis department stores to show off their HD sets.

[brundles]

Originally Posted by brundles

Yes, IPTV is completely different from streaming an individual file but that doesn't change the fact that it needs bandwidth. Sticking with a recognised format, take a 3 5 0 meg AVI file commonly found for 40 minutes worth of TV show. Running flat out on a half meg connection that takes nearly 2 hours to download. (Sorry for the spaces but the forum swear filter seems to think I'm trying to dodge it with three hundred and fifty as numbers!)

In the interest of fairness to teaboy2, I spent some time this morning chatting to a friend of mine who subscribes to an IPTV services. The service he subscribes to gives him the option of a 0.4meg service of a 0.7 meg service. While the 0.7 meg service is watchable his opinion is that it doesn't match the broadcast quality seen by TV viewers - and the 0.4 meg service, while just about watchable, looks awful when upscaled to HDTV resolutions. Again this is only his view, but he reckons we're looking at needing at least a 1meg stream to achieve standard broadcast quality - nevermind HD quality.

At that rate, 2 hours TV in an evening is about 700 meg - or over 20GB a month assuming you watch it for a couple of hours a day. In this instance with the half meg connection teaboy2 has referred to we're only looking at 10GB but that's still ruling out the budget broadband options.

If teaboy2 is still talking to me (I hope it comes across that I'm not deliberately being obtuse I'm just trying to understand the service that will be available and match that against what appears to be offered and what people will expect) I have another question...

The PlayTV website refers to "via your broadband (telephone line)" while the link you gave us earlier refers to you using Connexions 4 London as a carrier. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but that implies (to me) that the broadband will need to be with Connexions 4 London and this is an ADSL only service. Or are you just using Connexions 4 London for your own backbone transport and any broadband (including cable for those of us that don't have a fixed line or BT or Cable) provider will work?

[LSainsbury]

Originally Posted by Chris T

Doctor Who isn't filmed in HD because the budget cannot support the current high cost of rendering those kinds of FX in HD.

Torchwood, on the other hand, is filmed in HD, and you can sometimes find samples of it playing in John Lewis department stores to show off their HD sets.

Ahh - sorry - corrected! I knew one of them was filmed in HD - I thought it was Dr Who - but yes Torchwood still stands as an example. And a better one as it was a chance spin-off and they wern't sure the public would take to it. Even so they put the faith into it and filmed it in HD anyway!

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Originally Posted by brundles

The PlayTV website refers to "via your broadband (telephone line)" while the link you gave us earlier refers to you using Connexions 4 London as a carrier. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but that implies (to me) that the broadband will need to be with Connexions 4 London and this is an ADSL only service. Or are you just using Connexions 4 London for your own backbone transport and any broadband (including cable for this of us that don't have a fixed line or BT or Cable) provider will work?

If it only works only with Connexions 4 London that does kinda limit the installation base.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by teaboy2

oh my word i honestly dont know where to start or even to bother to!! first of brundles well done for trying to be the clever clogs im afraid what you have written is rubbish, if your not getting an unlimited download on your broadband i would pull your finger out and find a new supplier, unlimited broadband is easily found for around £15 per month. AnywayZ this service doesnt need unlimted broadband to work as this is IPTV its completly different to streaming something of the internet, maybe read this to get up to date! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPTV.

And why question my HD answer? it is true not much is filmed in HD, i credited you for referencing neighbours but it seems to be the only one you could come up with??!!

And regarding your last paragraph do you have any idea how broadband bandwidth works?! i mean lets start simple do you even know what a 25-1 or 50-1 line is? i take it you dont! The only part of your answer i respect is where you are wary about new companies, fair enough! i cant see anything wrong with that epinion.

But please see it from my point of view, i found this forum with negative issues about the company i work for, i was amazed! the company hasnt even aired its services and you guys are saying its crap?! why?????!!!!!!! how do you know????!!! why do you take time out of your day to make a judgement on something you know nothing about in such a negative demoralising way?!! As you have seen i have taken the time to write these replys in my own time and the truth is iptv is the future i suppose you guys will just wait until sky turn all theres from sat to iptv before you realise?!

And lastly derek and babstheyaris i see you have comented with the likes of complete fabrications were told to yourselves, i would just remind you that these guys above (namely brundles in the last instances!) obviously have no idea and each 'dig' they have taken at the product (and me!) is them gussing with the little knowledge they have, maybe you should ask them to reference there nonsense instead of making up rubbish on a subject they know so little about.

To end im honeslty disapointed in the reaction ive got to the kindness that ive offered to give informtion on this new product especially the rude reply from Lsainsbury which you can all see i didnt take lightly and brought the little bugger down!! ; ) (no hard feelings mate had to be done!) Why take the word of those who cant possible have any idea?!! do your own research maybe start at a reptable source such as this http://informitv.com/articles/2007/0...italbroadcast/ go to an outlet where you can see it working if you must just dont be a fool and be a critic on an area you know nothing about.

I've read your post and and I have re-read it and I can come to only one conclusion. Which is you're full of p*$$ and wind.

20-1 and 50-1 erm , contention ratios next ????

[teaboy2]

ok excellent replies its been such a great debate! well lets all sit back and see what happens, if anyone finds any useful bits of info good or bad post it! instead of one word against another all we can fairly do is sit and wait for the 1st of september to see it working i suppose

ThE TeAbOy

[foreverwar]

Originally Posted by teaboy2

ok excellent replies its been such a great debate! well lets all sit back and see what happens, if anyone finds any useful bits of info good or bad post it! instead of one word against another all we can fairly do is sit and wait for the 1st of september to see it working i suppose

ThE TeAbOy

Sorry to bring facts into this discussion, but you said in post #24
"2) Most Broadband conections are unlimited downloads however this service only needs half a megabyte of speed to work"

Your business partners say GDBTV
Viewing on a set top box
"Q2. Are there any minimum requirements?
A. A broadband internet connection (DSL or cable modem with a 1Mb minimum download speed) a modern television with video inputs/scart or similar. By adding GDB's set-top box (STB) all the functions normally viewed on a PC will be viewed on your TV without complicated browsers."

If you are going to sell this thing, it may be useful if there is consistency in your marketing.........

[Derek S]

Originally Posted by teaboy2

instead of one word against another all we can fairly do is sit and wait for the 1st of september to see it working i suppose

I'll happily do that, I'll even wait till Christmas to see how they are getting on. I won't be holding my breath though.

[Rob]

Anyone think in the current climate of dodgy phone in quiz type rip offs that a company called "PlayTV" has chosen a very unfortunate trading name that doesn't inspire confidence?

[LSainsbury]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

If you are going to sell this thing, it may be useful if there is consistency in your marketing.........

What did I say about salesmen / salespeople before?

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Originally Posted by Derek S

I'll happily do that, I'll even wait till Christmas to see how they are getting on. I won't be holding my breath though.

Hear hear!

[iptv247]

SKY MAY GO THIS WAHY!

There are no immediate plans for use of the Ethernet on the back of the Sky HD box – the Ethernet port will be potentially used for some future Broadband enabled application! does that mean? sky without dish in for those who live flats,

Sky will provide an integrated broadband video-on-demand service before the end of 2008

James Murdoch told analysts that the company had no plans for a full IPTV service,??? replicating a full subscription television service through broadband. He argued.... that a hybrid platform is more efficient and suggested that communal dishes provided a more efficient way of reaching apartment blocks. He said that the IPTV capability that they will provide will be video-on-demand.

I hope the millions of SKY customers without video on demand wont feel left out when Play tv, BT vision, Virgin and tiscalli all have VoD (IP streaming) as standard.

i was speaking to a friend about this and she said sky have put the prices up again,

i cannot comment on play, because i have not seen it....Yet,

[baynesy07]

i have had the pleasure of watching play tv in action and i must say it is better than i expected. The user interface is good, picture quality bloody amazing I think it needs tidying up round the edges but they still have time before launch. Overall better than virgin media and a possible equal to sky. The website for the boxes they use is www.vehda.co.uk

[Derek S]

Originally Posted by baynesy07

i have had the pleasure of watching play tv in action and i must say it is better than i expected. The user interface is good, picture quality bloody amazing I think it needs tidying up round the edges but they still have time before launch. Overall better than virgin media and a possible equal to sky. The website for the boxes they use is www.vehda.co.uk

How are things working for PlayTV?