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Old 08-02-2007, 16:36   #1
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Sky goes terrestrial [Merged]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6343715.stm
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...t-service.html

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Sky is to make some of its most popular programmes, movies and sports available on digital terrestrial television.
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Sky Three, Sky News and Sky Sports News will disappear from digital terrestrial to make way
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Re: Sky goes terrestrial

Live premiership football for free? Doesn't sound bad...
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Re: Sky goes terrestrial

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Live premiership football for free? Doesn't sound bad...
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The new service will allow customers to receive some of Sky's most popular programmes - including sport and movies - through a conventional rooftop aerial and a DTT box for a monthly subscription.
Except it's not free. You need to buy a new freeview box and subscription. Now if I was the cynical type I could suggest that Sky might use this as a way to say "We don't need to give cable our channels, if people can't put up a dish they can use an aerial."

Luckily I'm not the cynical type.
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Except it's not free. You need to buy a new freeview box and subscription. Now if I was the cynical type I could suggest that Sky might use this as a way to say "We don't need to give cable our channels, if people can't put up a dish they can use an aerial."

Luckily I'm not the cynical type.
I read that as digital freeview. *writes out 100 times, I must read posts/links properly*

Be interesting to see how much content they eventually provide and what cost.

Good for people who can't get Sky and/or VM.
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Re: Sky goes terrestrial

ohhh, but its seems everyone missed the most IMPORTANT point.
a 3rd party available DVB-T PCI/USB2 box that can do mpeg-4 AVC decoding
(not just your old mpeg-4 ASP [divx/xvid] or the old outdated mpeg2 only).

"Pay-TV battle
Sky will replace its three existing DTT channels with four new 24-hour streams using the more efficient Mpeg4 compression technology.
The company hopes a range of set-top box manufacturers will start making receivers with compatible software once the service has launched. The announcement came on the same day that Sky's cable rival NTL/Telewest relaunched under the name Virgin Media. "

that means MPeg-4 AVC/H.264 to be made available to the DVB-T transport steam, and in doing so makes it far more likely and helpful to the hope that the Hi-Def BBC trials will become available country wise.

once again making NTL's opting for the outdated and far more wastful Mpeg2 codec look even more short sighted and flat earth thinking

thats were the 4 new AVC channels into the 3 old mpeg2 channels space works great, as AVC is far smaller yet has as a lossless mode.

i assume the 3rd partys DVB-T box makers will also include all the abilitys they learned from the DVB-T/DVB-S(2) HD bbc trials, mbaff etc in the new boxs? not that they need use them to start with but its always wise to include all your future profit making/hardware usability options inside the initial prototype board for others to licence and copy for everyones benefit later.

all we need than is some good PCI and USB2 PC cards that can also take the DTT subscription slot/card and we are ready to tap directly into the transport stream for a far better quality PC playback that your average stand alone SD cable/sat box (as they dont have anything but analogue out) .

anyone know of a current DVB-T card or USB box that takes the DTT cards as these id assume would be the first to offer the new AVC (mpeg-4 part10) 3rd party kit?.

in combination with something like this http://www.ruckuswireless.com/produc...iaflex_router/ your really starting to rock with end user content options.

to see how good AVC can be just look at some of the AVC encoded trailers etc here
http://www.zudeo.com/az-web/content/...edContent.html
and gont get fobbed off by salesmen that try and sell 'mpeg4' as the term, remember to ALLWAYS ask but does it do AVC/H.264

rememeber mpeg-4 asp IS OLD divX/Xvid [Mpeg-4 part2]
the new MPeg-4 AVC is what you want [Mpeg-4 part10] (along with mpeg2 and VC-1 if you must).

No contest really, you have to admire SKY, as Virgin Media gives you masses of flashy adverts and a rebranding but no new end user usability or innovation (thats liberate software boxs for you).

SKY gives you a potential new DVB-T innovation with real AVC content that can only grow better as 3rd partys are allowed to give end users what they want to pay for, unlike the current closed cable network that could be so much better if 3rd partys were allowed access to users cable ends.

and dont forget if sky does DVB-T AVC then the other broadcasters are sure to follow, as it then makes it easy to take off the old digital mpeg2 channels and replace them with far more AVC DVB-T channels, and thats before they even start to think about the old alalogue turn off and all the extras that will possably enable if they give some of the released spectum back to the broadcasters use.

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Re: Sky goes terrestrial

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Except it's not free. You need to buy a new freeview box and subscription. Now if I was the cynical type I could suggest that Sky might use this as a way to say "We don't need to give cable our channels, if people can't put up a dish they can use an aerial."

Luckily I'm not the cynical type.
So they expect us to pay for Freeview... lol

What an absolute joke - I understand Sky have a right to say "not all our customers are allowed a dish or cable for whatever reasons" but they make enough revenue to keep Freeview what it really was intended for surely.

I remember when freeserve used to be free... that soon changed as well.

Sorry but Freeview rubs me up the wrong way... its great if your stuck in an area where you cant get sky or cable... but I predicted when it first come out it wouldnt really be "free" for very long... (least not the good channels anyway)
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Re: Sky goes terrestrial

So............let's get this right !

Anyone with built in digital freeview, are now having channels taken away from them, to make way for new subscription channels, which can't be viewed, because they are Mpeg4 broadcasts................

Thanks a lot Sky !
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Re: Sky goes terrestrial

I'm not happy about this.
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I hope ofcom step in here personally.

However judging by ofcom's recent news that the space left by analogue in a few years time, will be up for auction as apposed to giving any space for further freeview channels, I doubt it very much. No way the likes of ITV etc can compete with Sky/Cable in an auction.
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Re: Sky goes terrestrial

well this is a joke, lets remove free channels and replace them with paid for ones, not only that but lets make it so people need to buy new equipment to even recieve them
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Free ? No chance, pay Sky a subscription and then have to buy a Sky freeview box too...... sounds like a rip off to me. OFCOM should tell them where to go but then we know OFCOM have verys small cojones
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Free ? No chance, pay Sky a subscription and then have to buy a Sky freeview box too...... sounds like a rip off to me. OFCOM should tell them where to go but then we know OFCOM have verys small cojones
I don't see what the big fuss is about. Advertising revenues are falling. Sky will spend money developing the STB, and providing the equipment to do the compression, and will pay to maintain it. Add to this the fact that if you don't want to pay Sky for these channels then YOU DON'T HAVE TO! Sky can only sell this product to people who actually want to pay for it
Too many people seem to want everything for free. You don't want to pay then do without.

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I don't see what the big fuss is about. Advertising revenues are falling. Sky will spend money developing the STB, and providing the equipment to do the compression, and will pay to maintain it. Add to this the fact that if you don't want to pay Sky for these channels then YOU DON'T HAVE TO! Sky can only sell this product to people who actually want to pay for it
Too many people seem to want everything for free. You don't want to pay then do without.

Popper, VLC will play Part10 Level 3 streams OK. Obviously you need the unencrypted stream.
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Sky will replace its three existing DTT channels with four new 24-hour streams using the more efficient Mpeg4 compression technology.
The company hopes a range of set-top box manufacturers will start making receivers with compatible software once the service has launched.
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Re: Sky goes terrestrial

I understand that Sky 3, Sky News and Sky Sports News are the free channels being dropped - it's a shame that Sky 3 is going, and Sky News is OK-ish when there's a breaking news story, but I wouldn't be sad to see the back of Sky Sports News if I was a Freeview user.
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Free ? No chance, pay Sky a subscription and then have to buy a Sky freeview box too...... sounds like a rip off to me. OFCOM should tell them where to go but then we know OFCOM have verys small cojones

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