BT 300Mb FTTP, 80Mb/20Mb FTTC

[Ignitionnet]

BT Openreach to make available 300Mb downstream Fibre To The Premises product, and an 80Mb downstream, 20Mb upstream Fibre To The Cabinet product.

BT are apparently going for 2/3rds of the population covered by fibre optic products with 25% of that being FTTP.

The urinating contest continues.

[weesteev]

The FTTC increase is line bonding I take it?

Also good to see the FTTH product being wholesaled as well, prices will be interesting though!

[one2escape]

Lets see virgin respond now!

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by weesteev

The FTTC increase is line bonding I take it?

No, it's a higher speed profile on a single line. Bonding would take it to 160/40.

To be fair the highest profiles on VDSL can do 200mbps on a single line - but AFAIK there are no plans to use that in the UK as of yet.

[weesteev]

Originally Posted by one2escape

Lets see virgin respond now!

Err, 100Mb to all cable homes? This is BT's response to Virgins last move... all these speed increases are just a ****ing contest now. I would prefer that QoS and better upstream would be provided instead of this constant downstream racing thats going on.

[one2escape]

I know this is a response to Virgins 100mb. I know its a contest to see whos faster so I want virgin response!

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by weesteev

Err, 100Mb to all cable homes? This is BT's response to Virgins last move... all these speed increases are just a ****ing contest now. I would prefer that QoS and better upstream would be provided instead of this constant downstream racing thats going on.

Maybe cable can work on making the 30mb service reliable before worrying about 100mb

[pabscars]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

BT Openreach to make available 300Mb downstream Fibre To The Premises product, and an 80Mb downstream, 20Mb upstream Fibre To The Cabinet product.

BT are apparently going for 2/3rds of the population covered by fibre optic products with 25% of that being FTTP.

The urinating contest continues.

Yep, but it help's if you have a bigger willy in the first place

Good news, I'm all for progress/competition, and especially like the sound of FTTP, I can just imagine the latency on it or lack of, one would imagine it to be pretty shweeeeeet.

[Welshchris]

i posted this yesterday here...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/25...or-spring.html

if Virgin were to try and do this with the current state with a lot of its network it would keel over and die.

Virgin would need to perform a lot of work on its network in a number of places to do this and would in no way be able to get it out by the spring.

[weesteev]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

i posted this yesterday here...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/25...or-spring.html

if Virgin were to try and do this with the current state with a lot of its network it would keel over and die.

Virgin would need to perform a lot of work on its network in a number of places to do this and would in no way be able to get it out by the spring.

Work they have been doing for last year and not due to complete until the middle of 2012.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by weesteev

Err, 100Mb to all cable homes? This is BT's response to Virgins last move... all these speed increases are just a ****ing contest now. I would prefer that QoS and better upstream would be provided instead of this constant downstream racing thats going on.

Funny that, since BT are already providing better upstream on their 40mbps FTTC. I'm kinda glad BT's FTTx is urinating all over VM's upstream as it's clearly driving awareness and competition.

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Originally Posted by weesteev

Work they have been doing for last year and not due to complete until the middle of 2012.

That work is only for enabling 100/10 on a 200/17 pipe. Exceeding that, especially even coming close to BT on the upstream still requires far more work beyond that date.

Hell, some VM areas are still stuck on 50/1.5 until 2012Q2. BT FTTC is 40/10 everywhere and going up to 80/20 round abouts the same time VM finishes 50/5.

And lets not forget there's practically zero upstream contention and jitter on xDSL products since the uplink is dedicated and uncontended all the way up to the symmetric backhauls.

[Welshchris]

exactly lol.

Id like to see them try and get 300mb from a 200mb pipe lol

[weesteev]

The infrastructure upgrades arent for enabling 200Mb, they are for increasing bandwidth and making sure 1Ghz is available across the network, the ATDMA upgrades are about consolidating amplifier equipment and making sure the network is ready for future products. Changing to 200Mb and higher services in future will only require headend changes in future and not wholesale access network upgrades like the company is carrying out at the moment.

I think you misunderstand what work im referring to?

Also, when did I mention upstream? The question relates BT's headline downstream in comparison to ours.

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Hell, some VM areas are still stuck on 50/1.5 until 2012Q2.

Didnt I say that upgrades are happening until mid 2012... why try and put a different spin on what Ive already said?

[Ignitionnet]

Due to analogue switch off VM are fine for the foreseeable, once they're done with the upgrades to areas like mine and indeed Steve's we'll have 1GHz / 85MHz splits, all the network will be at least 750MHz / 50MHz and that stuff is going to be progressively upgraded.

To go to 200Mb will not require further heavy duty infrastructure upgrades, it'll require a bit of cleaning up in areas which is happening anyway and from there upstream bonding which is mostly about CPE qualification and software and hardware changes within hubs.

For those laughing about getting 300Mb from a 200Mb pipe there are already 300Mb pipes on the network right now, 6 x 50Mb downstream bonded groups, serving 100Mb customers, these can be expanded to 8 x 50Mb, 400Mb groups to save doing the maths, with configuration changes and licence purchases once an area is 100Mb ready - part of that upgrade cycle is to free up 4 further downstream ports for a service group.

The same work that enables 100Mb enables 200Mb with relatively minor changes.

This isn't to say there aren't issues delivering the existing services in some areas however these are dealt with via business as usual upgrade programmes rather than specific and major upgrade. In this area VM are replacing kit that's 27 years old.

[RB2004]

I know this is FTTH, and that 80Mbit was BT's response to VM's 100Mbit product.

But I wouldnt be surprised if VM will act upon this,

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4...f-october.html

even if it is FTTH. Because even though it is FTTH and limited to only a few areas essentially it is 1 over on VM still.

200mbit will probably be next, if previous information is anything to go by,

Planned it,

http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/vi...12-280708.html

“We are setting ourselves a vision of households using 200Mb per second by 2012,” Howard Watson, the provider’s chief technology officer, told Reuters news agency.

Trialled it,

http://seekbroadband.com/focus/2010/...s-200mb-trial/

They Demo'd it,

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03...nd_200mb_demo/


So id imagine next step would be a roll out, probbably wont be officially annouced until after the 100mbit rollout is complete.. but id guess it will be annouced around 2012 to 2013 sometime, with a rollout in 2013.

Dont think VM would have BT get one over on them with the 110mbit ftth service.. like has been said it has been turned into a contest.

VM roll out something, BT respond, VM respond, BT respond, VM respond etc lol

100mbit should be fast enough in theory as most web servers dont even have anything more than a 100mbit connection.